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May result in a typical [[Idiot Hero]] degenerating into [[Too Dumb to Live]]. Contrast [[Took a Level In Badass]] and [[Dumbass No More]].
May result in a typical [[Idiot Hero]] degenerating into [[Too Dumb to Live]]. Contrast [[Took a Level In Badass]] and [[Dumbass No More]].
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== Anime and Manga ==
== Anime and Manga ==
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** The degradation arguably occurred before that, considering how Gourry's dumbass swordsman persona was apparently all an act in the original novels.
** The degradation arguably occurred before that, considering how Gourry's dumbass swordsman persona was apparently all an act in the original novels.
* ''[[Code Geass]]'': Ohgi, after falling for Villetta. It's so bad that thanks partly to him, {{spoiler|Lelouch finishes crossing the [[Despair Event Horizon]]}}, which causes {{spoiler|Lelouch}} to implement the {{spoiler|[[Thanatos Gambit|Zero Requiem]]}}.
* ''[[Code Geass]]'': Ohgi, after falling for Villetta. It's so bad that thanks partly to him, {{spoiler|Lelouch finishes crossing the [[Despair Event Horizon]]}}, which causes {{spoiler|Lelouch}} to implement the {{spoiler|[[Thanatos Gambit|Zero Requiem]]}}.
* ''[[Kämpfer (Light Novel)|Kämpfer]]'': Natsuru but only in the anime. In the manga and light novels [[Crouching Moron Hidden Badass|however...]]
* ''[[Kämpfer (Light Novel)|Kämpfer]]'': Natsuru but only in the anime. In the manga and light novels [[Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass|however...]]
* ''[[Ranma One Half]]'': Genma. At the beginning of the series, he's lazy, doesn't think things through, and isn't the brightest bulb on the circuit, but is for the most part a competent martial artist who, despite some (admittedly quite serious) blunders, has trained his son to be an incredibly skilled martial artist. As the manga goes on, he becomes increasingly stupid and incompetent, with only one bright spot during the Ryu arc.
* ''[[Ranma One Half]]'': Genma. At the beginning of the series, he's lazy, doesn't think things through, and isn't the brightest bulb on the circuit, but is for the most part a competent martial artist who, despite some (admittedly quite serious) blunders, has trained his son to be an incredibly skilled martial artist. As the manga goes on, he becomes increasingly stupid and incompetent, with only one bright spot during the Ryu arc.
* ''[[Death Note (Manga)|Death Note]]'':
* ''[[Death Note (Manga)|Death Note]]'':
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** In fact, ''[[Idiot Ball|everyone]]'' on ''Heroes'' gets this, with nominal good guys Mohinder, Peter and especially Hiro getting the worst of it.
** In fact, ''[[Idiot Ball|everyone]]'' on ''Heroes'' gets this, with nominal good guys Mohinder, Peter and especially Hiro getting the worst of it.
** The villains too. Adam Monroe goes from being a coldly calculating bad ass with mad samurai skillz to a guy who meekly allows powerless brainless thug Knox to take him to see Arthur Petrelli. Arthur himself goes from an [[Evil Overlord]] big on the "You have outlived our usefulness" who was genre savvy enough to take out everyone who could oppose him to being a dumb ass who stands around and does nothing while Sylar has a bullet aimed at him. The German in the graphic novels was a vicious amoral killer who knew how to use his powers in clever and brutal ways but in the show he's an idiot who just does nothing while Knox lumbers over to him and slams his fist through his chest. Candice goes from being a smart and sadistic villainess to being stupid enough to let her guard down around Sylar. Elle has the exact same thing happen to her.
** The villains too. Adam Monroe goes from being a coldly calculating bad ass with mad samurai skillz to a guy who meekly allows powerless brainless thug Knox to take him to see Arthur Petrelli. Arthur himself goes from an [[Evil Overlord]] big on the "You have outlived our usefulness" who was genre savvy enough to take out everyone who could oppose him to being a dumb ass who stands around and does nothing while Sylar has a bullet aimed at him. The German in the graphic novels was a vicious amoral killer who knew how to use his powers in clever and brutal ways but in the show he's an idiot who just does nothing while Knox lumbers over to him and slams his fist through his chest. Candice goes from being a smart and sadistic villainess to being stupid enough to let her guard down around Sylar. Elle has the exact same thing happen to her.
** Mr. Linderman. He began as a cryptically whispered name that made the most [[Badass]] among the cast cower in fear. He was revealed as an [[Affably Evil]] [[Well Intentioned Extremist]] [[The Chessmaster|Chessmaster]] who had been engineering events across the entire first season. When DL and Jessica show up, what is his plan? {{spoiler|"Take this money and kill your husband."}} [[Sarcasm Mode|Yeah, really bright, Linderman.]]
** Mr. Linderman. He began as a cryptically whispered name that made the most [[Badass]] among the cast cower in fear. He was revealed as an [[Affably Evil]] [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] [[The Chessmaster|Chessmaster]] who had been engineering events across the entire first season. When DL and Jessica show up, what is his plan? {{spoiler|"Take this money and kill your husband."}} [[Sarcasm Mode|Yeah, really bright, Linderman.]]
* Kelly Bundy from ''[[Married With Children]]''. The more her intelligence decreased, the more the show's quality increased in direct proportion.
* Kelly Bundy from ''[[Married With Children]]''. The more her intelligence decreased, the more the show's quality increased in direct proportion.
** Hilariously subverted in the episode "Hi, I.Q.," in which she accomplishes what Al couldn't--assembling his workshop bench. Which could just suggest she is simply [[Book Dumb]].
** Hilariously subverted in the episode "Hi, I.Q.," in which she accomplishes what Al couldn't--assembling his workshop bench. Which could just suggest she is simply [[Book Dumb]].
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*** The character changes between series are all justified because it is a different Baldrick in each one.
*** The character changes between series are all justified because it is a different Baldrick in each one.
* Matthew Brock from ''[[News Radio]]'' is another example; in the show's first season he seemed relatively normal and competent (he even secretly was {{spoiler|a registered dentist}}), but by the third or fourth season he came across as either mentally retarded or an eight-year old in a man's body. Jimmy James to an extent too, although that was more of Taking a Level in Craziness than Dumbness. Both characters were a lot funnier and more interesting due to these changes, of course, due to the quality of the writing & acting.
* Matthew Brock from ''[[News Radio]]'' is another example; in the show's first season he seemed relatively normal and competent (he even secretly was {{spoiler|a registered dentist}}), but by the third or fourth season he came across as either mentally retarded or an eight-year old in a man's body. Jimmy James to an extent too, although that was more of Taking a Level in Craziness than Dumbness. Both characters were a lot funnier and more interesting due to these changes, of course, due to the quality of the writing & acting.
** While Matthew has no excuse, Jimmy James may have been engaging in [[Obfuscating Stupidity]]. Alternatively, he really is that eccentric, [[Let's Get Dangerous|and his business skills are only used as he needs them.]] This is apparent given that Mr. James is implied to be a highly successful [[Self Made Man]], and his occasional bouts of serious behavior back up that he didn't get there by being an idiot. Most likely, he really is a goof ball and we generally only see him when he's relaxing, rather than engaging in [[Serious Business]] (which is on several occasions implied to involve questionably legal activity).
** While Matthew has no excuse, Jimmy James may have been engaging in [[Obfuscating Stupidity]]. Alternatively, he really is that eccentric, [[Let's Get Dangerous|and his business skills are only used as he needs them.]] This is apparent given that Mr. James is implied to be a highly successful [[Self-Made Man]], and his occasional bouts of serious behavior back up that he didn't get there by being an idiot. Most likely, he really is a goof ball and we generally only see him when he's relaxing, rather than engaging in [[Serious Business]] (which is on several occasions implied to involve questionably legal activity).
* Radar O'Reilly of ''[[MASH the Series|M*A*S*H]]'' could be regarded as a variation of this. He didn't get ''dumber'', per se, but more [[Man Child|childlike and naïve]] as the series progressed. There's an element of [[Ping Pong Naivete]] there too, however, as he was apparently still savvy enough to make deals for supplies with other units, keep all the paperwork straight, and otherwise serve as [[Hypercompetent Sidekick]] to Colonel Blake (and, later, Colonel Potter).
* Radar O'Reilly of ''[[MASH the Series|M*A*S*H]]'' could be regarded as a variation of this. He didn't get ''dumber'', per se, but more [[Man Child|childlike and naïve]] as the series progressed. There's an element of [[Ping Pong Naivete]] there too, however, as he was apparently still savvy enough to make deals for supplies with other units, keep all the paperwork straight, and otherwise serve as [[Hypercompetent Sidekick]] to Colonel Blake (and, later, Colonel Potter).
** Possibly justified. A recurring theme of the series was that people found odd and near-insane ways to cope with what they were experiencing. Radar's steady retreat towards childhood is actually one psychological response people have to stress in the real world.
** Possibly justified. A recurring theme of the series was that people found odd and near-insane ways to cope with what they were experiencing. Radar's steady retreat towards childhood is actually one psychological response people have to stress in the real world.
** Radar's character regressed in a lot of ways. Early in the series, he was seen smoking cigars, drinking Henry's booze, and had several references to him peeping in the nurses' showers and enjoying developing their chest x-rays. As the show progressed, he got dumber, more naive, and less experienced to the point that even grape Nehi was a strong drink for him.
** Radar's character regressed in a lot of ways. Early in the series, he was seen smoking cigars, drinking Henry's booze, and had several references to him peeping in the nurses' showers and enjoying developing their chest x-rays. As the show progressed, he got dumber, more naive, and less experienced to the point that even grape Nehi was a strong drink for him.
*** To be fair, [[G Rated Drug|grape Nehi]] is a strong drink for ''anyone.'' [[Bill Bryson]] [[I Can't Believe Its Not Heroin|solemnly swears that he once saw the edge of the universe after drinking it as a child.]]
*** To be fair, [[G-Rated Drug|grape Nehi]] is a strong drink for ''anyone.'' [[Bill Bryson]] [[I Can't Believe It's Not Heroin!|solemnly swears that he once saw the edge of the universe after drinking it as a child.]]
* Nate Archibald on ''[[Gossip Girl]]''. While he wasn't as intelligent as Chuck or Blair in season one he was still a guy of normal intelligence. By season four even his actor is complaining about what a moron he has become.
* Nate Archibald on ''[[Gossip Girl]]''. While he wasn't as intelligent as Chuck or Blair in season one he was still a guy of normal intelligence. By season four even his actor is complaining about what a moron he has become.
** In fairness, he's done so much pot in the last four seasons it actually does make sense that he's dumber.
** In fairness, he's done so much pot in the last four seasons it actually does make sense that he's dumber.
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== Newspaper Comics ==
== Newspaper Comics ==
* ''[[Dilbert]]'': The [[Pointy Haired Boss|defining character trait]] of Dilbert's boss was a result of this. In the earlier strips he was just a regular [[Bad Boss]] who was more likely to be shown performing evil experiments on his employees than [[The Ditz|losing at chess to a pineapple]]. And done deliberately in one strip where a new guy transitions from appearing to be smarter than everyone else in the team to having neanderthal-level intelligence over the course of a ''three panel comic''.
* ''[[Dilbert]]'': The [[Pointy-Haired Boss|defining character trait]] of Dilbert's boss was a result of this. In the earlier strips he was just a regular [[Bad Boss]] who was more likely to be shown performing evil experiments on his employees than [[The Ditz|losing at chess to a pineapple]]. And done deliberately in one strip where a new guy transitions from appearing to be smarter than everyone else in the team to having neanderthal-level intelligence over the course of a ''three panel comic''.
* ''[[FoxTrot]]'': Roger, the father figure. In the earliest years of the strip, he was a competent enough patriarch, though a bit harried and somewhat of a [[Ted Baxter]]. As the strip went through [[Reverse Cerebus Syndrome]], his intelligence dropped severely and his occasional bouts of incompetence (he was a [[Walking Techbane]] from the first month onward) became exaggerated to match.
* ''[[FoxTrot]]'': Roger, the father figure. In the earliest years of the strip, he was a competent enough patriarch, though a bit harried and somewhat of a [[Ted Baxter]]. As the strip went through [[Reverse Cerebus Syndrome]], his intelligence dropped severely and his occasional bouts of incompetence (he was a [[Walking Techbane]] from the first month onward) became exaggerated to match.
* ''[[Garfield]]'': Jon Arbuckle, Garfield's owner. He started as a perfectly ordinary young man. Come the early-2000's, and he's a total moron who finds interest in mundane activities, mistakes a sudoku for a crossword, and mistakes an upside down restaurant menu for French. It was around the same time he was [[Flanderization|Flanderized]] into being the [[Straw Loser]] to Garfield.
* ''[[Garfield]]'': Jon Arbuckle, Garfield's owner. He started as a perfectly ordinary young man. Come the early-2000's, and he's a total moron who finds interest in mundane activities, mistakes a sudoku for a crossword, and mistakes an upside down restaurant menu for French. It was around the same time he was [[Flanderization|Flanderized]] into being the [[Straw Loser]] to Garfield.
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== Webcomics ==
== Webcomics ==
* In ''[[Sluggy Freelance]]'' Sam "Da Man" Sein's intelligence has been plummeting ever since he became a vampire.
* In ''[[Sluggy Freelance]]'' Sam "Da Man" Sein's intelligence has been plummeting ever since he became a vampire.
* ''[[Eight Bit Theater (Webcomic)|Eight Bit Theater]]'':
* ''[[8-Bit Theater (Webcomic)|Eight Bit Theater]]'':
** Bikke the pirate was actually fairly ruthless and cunning when he first appeared (well, compared to Garland and the heroes, anyway). At this point, his intelligence is viewed as on par with [[The Ditz|Fighter's]]. In fact, he's probably worse since he's not even literate.
** Bikke the pirate was actually fairly ruthless and cunning when he first appeared (well, compared to Garland and the heroes, anyway). At this point, his intelligence is viewed as on par with [[The Ditz|Fighter's]]. In fact, he's probably worse since he's not even literate.
** D'rizzl actually ''inverted'' this trope, by taking levels in Smartass. Complete with a 50-point IQ hike.
** D'rizzl actually ''inverted'' this trope, by taking levels in Smartass. Complete with a 50-point IQ hike.
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* ''[[Homestar Runner]]'': Homestar himself. Which makes his [[Smart Ball|random moments of intelligence]] all the more hilarious. He once recited Coulomb's Law when asked "What is 2 plus 2?" (when Strong Sad reiterates the question, Homestar naturally gets it wrong), and actually outsmarted Strong Bad by getting him to say something stupid.
* ''[[Homestar Runner]]'': Homestar himself. Which makes his [[Smart Ball|random moments of intelligence]] all the more hilarious. He once recited Coulomb's Law when asked "What is 2 plus 2?" (when Strong Sad reiterates the question, Homestar naturally gets it wrong), and actually outsmarted Strong Bad by getting him to say something stupid.
* The reviewers of [[That Guy With the Glasses]], whose characters are often not the smartest or most stable people anyhow, all seem to take stupid pills for the annual [[Massive Multiplayer Crossover]] anniversary films and forget about the intelligence, resources or super-powers they've displayed in their own series. This is more or less justified by being a kind of [[Recursive Canon]], where the characters have made their videos instead of living them, but are still those characters instead of the people who actually play them.
* The reviewers of [[That Guy With the Glasses]], whose characters are often not the smartest or most stable people anyhow, all seem to take stupid pills for the annual [[Massive Multiplayer Crossover]] anniversary films and forget about the intelligence, resources or super-powers they've displayed in their own series. This is more or less justified by being a kind of [[Recursive Canon]], where the characters have made their videos instead of living them, but are still those characters instead of the people who actually play them.
** Happened to both [[The Nostalgia Critic (Web Video)|The Nostalgia Critic]] and [[The Nostalgia Chick (Web Video)|The Nostalgia Chick]]. The Critic used to be of average intelligence before morphing into a ditz with almost no common sense but can very insightful when he wants, and the Chick used to be an [[Insufferable Genius]] before becoming a [[Know Nothing Know It All]] who is oblivious to most things going on around her. [[Tropes Are Not Bad]] of course, their characters seen as much funnier now.
** Happened to both [[The Nostalgia Critic (Web Video)|The Nostalgia Critic]] and [[The Nostalgia Chick (Web Video)|The Nostalgia Chick]]. The Critic used to be of average intelligence before morphing into a ditz with almost no common sense but can very insightful when he wants, and the Chick used to be an [[Insufferable Genius]] before becoming a [[Know-Nothing Know-It-All]] who is oblivious to most things going on around her. [[Tropes Are Not Bad]] of course, their characters seen as much funnier now.




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* ''[[King of the Hill]]''
* ''[[King of the Hill]]''
** All of Hank Hill's friends seem to slowly lose their precious remaining IQ points over the course of the series -- resulting in dumber and more outrageous schemes that Hank must eventually fix.
** All of Hank Hill's friends seem to slowly lose their precious remaining IQ points over the course of the series -- resulting in dumber and more outrageous schemes that Hank must eventually fix.
** Luanne and Peggy also. Peggy has never been the [[Closer to Earth]] person between her and Hank, but she used to be at least a competent Spanish teacher -- now she's shown to have a tenuous grasp at best on the Spanish language, though it does lead to some [[Cringe Comedy|admittedly hilarious moments]]. Luanne has had a similar path of regression: after an ''angel'' tells her to go to college, she marries a [[Creators Pet]]. This may have had something to do with KOTH being replaced by [[The Cleveland Show]].
** Luanne and Peggy also. Peggy has never been the [[Closer to Earth]] person between her and Hank, but she used to be at least a competent Spanish teacher -- now she's shown to have a tenuous grasp at best on the Spanish language, though it does lead to some [[Cringe Comedy|admittedly hilarious moments]]. Luanne has had a similar path of regression: after an ''angel'' tells her to go to college, she marries a [[Creator's Pet]]. This may have had something to do with KOTH being replaced by [[The Cleveland Show]].
*** Peggy was bad at Spanish at the beginning of the series, in fact, she actually got a little better as it went on. The rest here is spot on, though.
*** Peggy was bad at Spanish at the beginning of the series, in fact, she actually got a little better as it went on. The rest here is spot on, though.
* This happened to Fry in ''[[Futurama (Animation)|Futurama]]''. In the earliest episodes, where he was supposed to be a [[Fish Out of Temporal Water]] and stories would mostly focus around him adapting to life in the 31st century, he was a fairly average guy with a dash of [[Cloudcuckoolander]] and a few moments of genuine cleverness. As the show progressed, he adapted to his surroundings much faster than the writers intended, and so he devolved into a gibbering manchild [[Ping Pong Naivete|unless the writers needed him to say something profound]].
* This happened to Fry in ''[[Futurama (Animation)|Futurama]]''. In the earliest episodes, where he was supposed to be a [[Fish Out of Temporal Water]] and stories would mostly focus around him adapting to life in the 31st century, he was a fairly average guy with a dash of [[Cloudcuckoolander]] and a few moments of genuine cleverness. As the show progressed, he adapted to his surroundings much faster than the writers intended, and so he devolved into a gibbering manchild [[Ping Pong Naivete|unless the writers needed him to say something profound]].
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* There was an episode of ''[[Re Boot]]'', where Enzo [[Exact Words|wished to be smarter than everyone else]]. So [[Literal Genie|the system]] underclocked everyone else, making them stupider so that Enzo would be the smartest person in Mainframe.
* There was an episode of ''[[Re Boot]]'', where Enzo [[Exact Words|wished to be smarter than everyone else]]. So [[Literal Genie|the system]] underclocked everyone else, making them stupider so that Enzo would be the smartest person in Mainframe.
* In season one of ''[[Frisky Dingo]]'', the villain Killface is intelligent, educated and sophisticated, by contrast to the Idiot Hero Awesome X. A lot of the comedy from Killface stems from the contrast between their personae. Come season two, they're both complete morons.
* In season one of ''[[Frisky Dingo]]'', the villain Killface is intelligent, educated and sophisticated, by contrast to the Idiot Hero Awesome X. A lot of the comedy from Killface stems from the contrast between their personae. Come season two, they're both complete morons.
* ''[[The Powerpuff Girls]]'': Fuzzy Lumpkins took this between the pilot and the series proper: in the pilot he was a reasonably calm [[Buffy Speak|furry... thing]] with enough intelligence to build a gun that turns objects into meat; in the series he's a trigger happy hillbilly stereotype whose idea of a weapon is a rock (compared to, say, the ray guns of Mojo Jojo and Princess). Consider his line in "Fuzzy Logic" while chasing a squirrel from his home:
* ''[[The Powerpuff Girls]]'': Fuzzy Lumpkins took this between the pilot and the series proper: in the pilot he was a reasonably calm [[Buffy-Speak|furry... thing]] with enough intelligence to build a gun that turns objects into meat; in the series he's a trigger happy hillbilly stereotype whose idea of a weapon is a rock (compared to, say, the ray guns of Mojo Jojo and Princess). Consider his line in "Fuzzy Logic" while chasing a squirrel from his home:
{{quote| '''Fuzzy:''' Come back here an' git off mah proppity!!}}
{{quote| '''Fuzzy:''' Come back here an' git off mah proppity!!}}
* Daffy Duck for ''[[The Looney Tunes Show]]''. In the original shorts he was fairly intelligent and clever, but occasionally gullible and was often defeated due to his greed and selfishness. Here, he's a lazy idiot who can't do anything right and fails to answer even the simplest trivia questions correctly.
* Daffy Duck for ''[[The Looney Tunes Show]]''. In the original shorts he was fairly intelligent and clever, but occasionally gullible and was often defeated due to his greed and selfishness. Here, he's a lazy idiot who can't do anything right and fails to answer even the simplest trivia questions correctly.