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Hey DocColress I have just got back from seeing How To Train Your Dragon The Hidden World, which has to be one of the best films Dreamworks has ever made. So, with that in mind it is time to re-discuss Drago Bludvist...

Haha, just kidding :), our villain for evaluation today is not Drago, but the Big Bad of this film Grimmel The Grisly.

Who Is He: Grimmel The Grisly is SURPRISE!!! the big bad of the third and final installment of the franchise How To Train Your Dragon The Hidden World Grimmel is a ruthless and feared dragon hunter, who has a deep seated hatred for all dragonkind, and believes it is impossible for dragons and humans to coexist peacefully. As a result he wants to wipe out all dragons from existance. Unlike Drago Bludvist who captures and enslaves dragons, or Viggo Grimborn who want to commit Dragon genocide for profit, Grimmel kills them outright for nothing more than sheer sadistic pleasure. Grimmel therefore might just rival Drago for the most depraved antagonist in the series.

What Has He Done: Long before the events of the film, Grimmel as a young man came across a Night Fury during his travels. Instead of trying to befriend the lovable dragon, Grimmel slaughtered the dragon for sport and is both stated/strongly implied that Toothless (Hiccup's dragon) is the very last Night Fury remaining on earth. Fast forward to the present, the evil army known as "The Warlords" needing a new leader following the death of their former boss (HTTYD 2's big bad Drago Bludvist), have hired Grimmel as their leader to capture, hunt down and kill Toothless due to their inexperience at Dragon Hunting. He also employs six Deathgripper dragons who breathe acid like fire a henchmen, which he drugged into obeying by envenomating them. Dragons infused with Deathgripper Venom are resistant to even an Alpha Dragon's commands.

Grimmel eventually discovers Toothless location living on the Island of Berk, (which also happens to be home to both Hiccup and the Hooligan tribe, and all of their dragons). Grimmel plans to free a so called "Light Fury" while leaving a poison dart behind in order to activate a trap to capture Toothless, and use him as an Alpha Dragon. After his initial plot fails, Grimmel sneaks into Hiccup's house while he is reading his late fathers notes, and pours himself a cup of tea. All while naming himself as "The Night Fury Killer", and gleefully boasting about how he has exterminated every night fury except for Toothless. Hiccup threatens Grimmel by stating he will never give up Toothless, and signaling the Dragon Riders to come out and defend the pair. In response, Grimmel issues an ultimatium to have Toothless in his clutches by the next morning, or Grimmel's armada will destroy everything and everyone Hiccup loves or cares for. The evil dragon hunter then summons his six Deathgripper Dragons to burn Hiccup's house to the ground with acid fire before retreating. This prompts Hiccup and all of the Berkians to flee from their homeland in hopes of not being detected by Grimmel and the warlords.

Unfortunately for Hiccup, Grimmel reveals to his fellow warlords where Hiccup and the Berkians are headed. After some time, sensing Grimmel close by, Hiccup and the other riders invade Grimmel's base in order to capture him, they fall right into his ambush trap however and barely escape with their lives. It is here where Grimmel reveals how proud he is to have killed the first Night Fury he saw after encountering him, before sicking his drugged deathgrippers on the riders and forcing them to flee for their lives, with Ruffnut being captured in the process. After Hiccup and his girlfriend Astrid return from the Hidden World to New Berk, with the Light Fury following close behind. It is here, that Grimmel decides to capture both the Light Fury and Toothless. Using the released prisoner Ruffnut Thorston, Grimmel follows her back to new berk and quickly subdues and captures, both Toothless and the Light Fury. The other Dragons of New Berk having forseen this, try to save the pair but are quickly enslaved and caught after Grimmel forces Toothless to call the dragons to the Warlords by pointing a crossbow at the Light Fury. The dragons all submit and head to the warlords, prompting Grimmel to go back on his previous deal and keep all the dragons including Toothless and the Light Fury.

As the enslaved dragons are locked one by one in cages on the Warlords Ships, while Grimmel readies his crossbow to finish off both Toothless and the Light Fury. Hiccup and the other riders then storm in on Dragon Flightsuits, and begin to do battle with the Warlords, while freeing all of the enslaved dragons from Grimmel's clutches, much to the dragon hunters surprise. Grimmel however survives his platform being destroyed and puts a venom collar on the Light Fury, allowing him to gain complete control over the dragon and make an escape attempt. As Hiccup and Toothless are right on his tail, Grimmel starts to lose it and shoots a dart as Hiccup gets close, the dart hits Toothless instead causing him to plummet towards the ocean. Having jumped on the Light Fury, Hiccup frees her from the collar, and kicks Grimmel off the dragon. Grimmel then attempts to pull Hiccup down to the grave with him, barely hanging on to the latters prosthetic leg. Eventually, both Hiccup and Grimmel both fall off the Light Fury and plummet towards the ocean, after commanding the Light Fury to save Toothless, Hiccup separates himself from Grimmel by removing his fake leg as the pair continue their rapid descent, Toothless, who had been saved by the light fury, catches Hiccup at the last moment, while Grimmel falls to his death upon impact with the ocean.

Heinous Standard: He most surely is heinous by the Dragons series work,(despite the series in general being Darker and Edgier). Being the bid bad of the film, he sets the general heinous standard. A short rapsheet of his crimes include, global genocidal ambitions towards all dragons For The Evulz. (And is the main reason Toothless and the Light Fury are the only Night Furies left). Drugging his dragons into total compliance with Deathgripper venom, so that they are completely enslaved and controlled. (As well as capturing/enslaving the Berkians Dragons in a manner similar to Drago Bludvist from the previous film). Burning down Hiccup's house and part of berk causing the Hooligan tribe to flee their homeland. Issuing an ultimatium to destroy everything Hiccup loves just to obtain Toothless, and then going back on his deal and enslaving all the Berkian Dragons after he gets what he wants. Gladly embracing his past as someone who killed the first Night Fury he came across rather than befriending it. And finally trying to take Hiccup to the grave with him out of sheer spite.

Any Mitigating Factors: None, Grimmel is a Dragon Hunter, enslaver, serial killer and genocidal madman, who wants to kill off all dragons in the world simply due to petty hatred and sadistic pleasure. And he has no redeeming qualities/moments to speak to boot. And he is Faux Affably Evil as they come. He is also clearly self aware of the choices he is making without real insanity. Grimmel is a bloodthirsty sadist, who could be considered an evil foil to Hiccup, of what Hiccup could have become if he killed Toothless rather than befriending the dragon upon meeting him.

Freduian Excuse or Moral Agency: None to speak of here either. Whereas Drago might of had a freudian excuse, but went CM after surronding himself with the dragons he plotted revenge against to conquer the world. Grimmel has no real backstory considered even the least bit tragic.

Conclusion: I would leave the final call to both you guys/TV Tropes but if I had to put my thumb down I would say keep, thoughts???

I'd say he's an easy keeper. Going to wait for his discussion on TV Tropes, though, but even if he's not voted up there, he'll pass the trope as defined here.

Update 2 weeks later: Grimmel The Grisly write-up coming later this week. Even though he got downvoted on TV Tropes, we still think he counts here. While Grimmel might not have all the resources that Drago had at his disposal, he still manages to be evil and depraved enough to count. The whole Dragon Genocide business, Feeding baby dragons to your own DeathGripper Slaves, enslaving dragons into total compliance by envenomating them, burning down Hiccup's House while ultimately faking an ultimatium, etc is just too far over the heinous line on a smaller scale. My draft might not be perfect, so I guess I'll write it up either on here or the Dreamworks Subpage.

It seemed more like a hung jury on TV Tropes rather than a straight up unanimous downvote. But I do agree that he qualifies by this Wiki's criteria. His refusal to do even worse than he seems able to do isn't based in personal standards, but on his own form of Pragmatic Villainy. Dragon was Stupid Evil, meaning not choosing to not do worse in any of his actions was practically second nature to him - Grimmel is Smart Evil, able to determine what's just effective enough to get him what he wants, even when there are crueler options he could go with but feels he needn't. Both villains operate under different resources, different motivations and end goals, and different approaches to villainy, but they're both completely horrible for who they are and what they have to work with.

Exactly, anyhow Grimmel write up is installed on the Dreamworks page. Right now it is seemingly a rough draft. Feel free to edit parts, that you feel may need revising, thanks.