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:''"Lump multiple examples across a series" is how Complete Monster has always been done. Like, since the trope's beginning on this wiki.''
:''"Lump multiple examples across a series" is how Complete Monster has always been done. Like, since the trope's beginning on this wiki.''

Which simply means that bringing Complete Monster into line with other tropes on the wiki is a move that's long overdue.
Which simply means that bringing Complete Monster into line with other tropes on the wiki is a move that's long overdue.


:''For example, say we were to make a subpage for every single game in the ''Final Fantasy'' series that has an example. In some of those games, there is only one character who matches the criteria needed to qualify as a Complete Monster. But now that the single games have their own pages, what's to stop someone from either adding new elaboration on the character so that the page becomes nothing but rambling about how evil that character is, or possibly adding a character who doesn't qualify?''
:''For example, say we were to make a subpage for every single game in the ''Final Fantasy'' series that has an example. In some of those games, there is only one character who matches the criteria needed to qualify as a Complete Monster. But now that the single games have their own pages, what's to stop someone from either adding new elaboration on the character so that the page becomes nothing but rambling about how evil that character is, or possibly adding a character who doesn't qualify?''

Why not let people ramble? These are subpages, so the "natter in the main page" rule doesn't apply. Adding additional supporting information is IMHO a good thing.
Why not let people ramble? These are subpages, so the "no natter in the main page" rule doesn't apply. Adding additional supporting information is IMHO a good thing.


I'll come back to the "character who doesn't qualify" bit in a moment.
I'll come back to the "character who doesn't qualify" bit in a moment.


:''This right here is a line that needn't be crossed.''
:''This right here is a line that needn't be crossed.''

In your opinion. As far as I can tell, the rest of us crossed it years ago.
In your opinion. As far as I can tell, the rest of us crossed it years ago.


:''In any event, the YMMV page for ''Tales of Berseria'' now includes another trope entry aside from Complete Monster, so that should be cause for this matter to be deemed irrelevant and dropped.''
:''In any event, the YMMV page for ''Tales of Berseria'' now includes another trope entry aside from Complete Monster, so that should be cause for this matter to be deemed irrelevant and dropped.''

Now it's time to come back to the "character who doesn't qualify" bit. YMMV pages are for ''subjective'' examples, but you want to control what gets posted as an example of Complete Monster.
Now it's time to come back to the "character who doesn't qualify" bit. YMMV pages are for ''subjective'' examples, but you want to control what gets posted as an example of Complete Monster.

*If CM is a subjective trope, then you're placing the opinion of a mod above the opinions of average tropers - which is what All The Tropes was forked away from TV Tropes to get away from.
*If CM is a subjective trope, then you're placing the opinion of a mod above the opinions of average tropers - which is what All The Tropes was forked away from TV Tropes to get away from.
*If CM is a not subjective trope, then it was right and proper that the page that I moved be taken out of YMMV. (If it's been added back in, then it should come out again.)
*If CM is a not subjective trope, then it was right and proper that the page that I moved be taken out of YMMV. (If it's been added back in, then it should come out again.)


:''But had I tended to the matter sooner, I would veto the notion to make that page, so I feel my veto, while belated, should still be valid.''
:''But had I tended to the matter sooner, I would veto the notion to make that page, so I feel my veto, while belated, should still be valid.''

The more I think about it - and especially in light of the comment I just made about why ATT forked away from TVT - the less I like the idea of somebody on the admin team having a veto over what other tropers are or are not allowed to post, as long as what's posted is on-topic for the wiki.
The more I think about it - and especially in light of the comment I just made about why ATT forked away from TVT - the less I like the idea of somebody on the admin team having a veto over what other tropers are or are not allowed to post, as long as what's posted is on-topic for the wiki.


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