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** [[MST3K Mantra|It's just a meme, you should really just relax.]]

*** Yeah, take it easy.

** I like it how this was the 1st one that made you have the '''''Ball''''' to make a "Headscratchers" Page of Touhou, I thank you for making [[Touhou ~~(Video Game)~~/Headscratchers|Headscratchers / Touhou]]

** I like it how this was the 1st one that made you have the '''''Ball''''' to make a "Headscratchers" Page of Touhou, I thank you for making [[Touhou/Headscratchers|Headscratchers / Touhou]]

** Yukkuri fandom is really one of those things that [[Depending On the Artist|depends on the fanartist]]. There are basic accepted 'rules' to how certain yukkuri types behave, but there's no one consensus on who reacts to what they do, and how they do so (with Akyuu's elevation to some sort of Memetic Murderess possibly being the sole exception -- though that [[Just Bugs Me]], too, why ''did'' Akyuu become the sadistic yukkuri killer? Why ''not'' Reimu or someone more prominent?)

** Yukkuri fandom is really one of those things that [[Depending on the Artist|depends on the fanartist]]. There are basic accepted 'rules' to how certain yukkuri types behave, but there's no one consensus on who reacts to what they do, and how they do so (with Akyuu's elevation to some sort of Memetic Murderess possibly being the sole exception -- though that [[Just Bugs Me]], too, why ''did'' Akyuu become the sadistic yukkuri killer? Why ''not'' Reimu or someone more prominent?)

** Yukkuri fandom changes Touhou characters as they please, therefor it is not surprising that factories exist; Touhou inhabitants are simply robbed of their original personalities and made into sadistic monsters. Memes have never been about following the canon.

** But isn't it exactly the same for human and animal in our world? Some human love animal, some keep them as pet, some thinks of the prospect of animal eating is despicable, but on the other side... [[Humans Are Bastards|well...]]

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** She can ''destroy anything she sees'', no save. Only the gap hag's ability is worse, but she's lazy and not violent by nature.

*** To further expand on this, it could be possible to consider it akin to Tsukihime's Shiki Tohno and his Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, except Flandre doesn't need to physically trace the lines, or even get close. She can remotely attack the dots directly, thus allowing her to absolutely destroy anything without having to be vulnerable. It would be slightly trickier to explain how she could use it to target metaphysical concepts though.

*** Actually, it's more akin to Kira Yoshikage's Killer Queen stand from [[Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure ~~(Manga)~~|Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure]]. With it he can turn anything he wishes into a bomb, including people, giving an almost perfect parallel to Flandre. Later he gains the ability to make balls of propelled air into bombs when Stray Cat upgrades it, giving Flandre's range. Then there is the fact Kira is a psycho, which well..Flandre. The one who could fight Kira head on was Josuke, whom Reimu has been seen in some fanart with (including one where she wears his jacket and he...well, let's not go there). This combined with the fact ZUN is an extreme [[~~Jo Jo~~]] fanboy infact gives a hint of where some of Flandre's attributes came from so Tsukihime really is irrelevant here.

*** Actually, it's more akin to Kira Yoshikage's Killer Queen stand from [[Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure|Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure]]. With it he can turn anything he wishes into a bomb, including people, giving an almost perfect parallel to Flandre. Later he gains the ability to make balls of propelled air into bombs when Stray Cat upgrades it, giving Flandre's range. Then there is the fact Kira is a psycho, which well..Flandre. The one who could fight Kira head on was Josuke, whom Reimu has been seen in some fanart with (including one where she wears his jacket and he...well, let's not go there). This combined with the fact ZUN is an extreme [[Jojo]] fanboy infact gives a hint of where some of Flandre's attributes came from so Tsukihime really is irrelevant here.

** This troper thinks it started because of a misunderstanding of Flandre's character. Everybody sees the "locked in the basement centuries ago because of her fearsome power" part and thinks she's insane and bloodthirsty (no pun intended), while she's more of a nice girl with a really bad case of [[Does Not Know His Own Strength]] (being able to blow anything up by thinking about it probably helps). Then again, I may be wrong, Touhou canon is a ''really'' hard thing to figure out.

*** I blame Flan's upbringing for her becoming a Memetic Cthulhu. I think that whoever the heck was handling the two sisters' education before they started living on their own (someone must have, right?) was paranoid and, upon discovering the girl's power, decided to lock Flandre up to avoid accidents rather than attempting to handle her education properly. By the time they started living on their own, with Sakuya's help of course, it was too late to save Flandre - she already went insane from being locked up for so long, and besides, Remilia, being the spoiled brat she is, refused to lose her precious time trying to educate her anyways, as for Sakuya, ZUN knows she already has much to do. And this is why Flan is doomed to stay forever locked up in a basement, going more and more insane as time passes. If she's not Cthulhu how, she's bound to become one...

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** This is fan stupid. Cirno has adventured into a superheated nuclear furnace without feeling more than a slight discomfort. There she faced a nuclear infernal raven armed with nuclear hellfire, and DEFEATED HER. I think Cirno has proven that she doesn't melt even when exposed to extreme temperatures. Of course, if you plunge her into lava, she will melt (like any creature).

*** Except maybe in early versions of Dwarf Fortress, where burning didn't cause bleeding, so it couldn't kill. Or if Temperature is turned off.

** Because she's [[Rule of Cute|cute]] [[Rule of Funny|comic relief]] who can always use more sight gags. Ironically, the [[Ensemble Darkhorse|popularity]] gained from [[Joke Character|that role]] is what let her enter and battle in a nuclear reactor to begin with. Initially she's thrashing and screaming, "I can't bare it!" but as soon as she resumes her [[Badass Arm-Fold|Gunbuster pose]], none of it [[Convection, Schmonvection|matters]] and she [[Strong As They Need to Be|can win]] through the power of [[Rule of Fun|fighting game logic]]. If Cirno can be infused with [[Incredibly Lame Pun|literal]] [[Rule of Cool]] as [[Sure Why Not|fans demand]], other ice-related traits are hardly a stretch.

** Because she's [[Rule of Cute|cute]] [[Rule of Funny|comic relief]] who can always use more sight gags. Ironically, the [[Ensemble Darkhorse|popularity]] gained from [[Joke Character|that role]] is what let her enter and battle in a nuclear reactor to begin with. Initially she's thrashing and screaming, "I can't bare it!" but as soon as she resumes her [[Badass Arm-Fold|Gunbuster pose]], none of it [[Convection, Schmonvection|matters]] and she [[Strong as They Need to Be|can win]] through the power of [[Rule of Fun|fighting game logic]]. If Cirno can be infused with [[Incredibly Lame Pun|literal]] [[Rule of Cool]] as [[Sure Why Not|fans demand]], other ice-related traits are hardly a stretch.

* When playing Imperishable Night on easy (because it was my second attempt at the game), I got to [[Final B]] as Border Team, and was facing the spellcards that you just have to outlast. I die 3 times, then it goes on to "GOOD END 1". What happened there? Does ANYONE know if this is supposed to happen?

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* Why does Remilia even bother having Meiling as a gate-guard at all? I mean, there is just about nothing Meiling can do that Sakuya can't do ([[Self-Deprecation|I love Meiling, by the way]]), and Sakuya definitely has enough time to take care of things. If Meiling is as imcompotent as the Stage 3 boss she is, surely Remilia have better tastes for someone who will act as gate guard for the feared SDM than her. Although my guess is that ZUN just needed a Stage 3 boss, so its a kind of a [[Gameplay and Story Segregation]]?

** Sakuya is Remilia's chief maid, and her timestopping abilities are useful for more than just throwing knives at people, and is thus quite more important to Remilia. Meiling can keep most humans and youkai out of the mansion, but was just plain out of her league when it came to dealing with the main protagonists ([[Cute Witch|one of whom]] acts as her very own [[Wave Motion Gun]] and [[Miko|the other of whom]] is just majorly powerful -- a common in-joke has one of her spellcards being "Hax Sign - You Just Plain Fucking Lose"). That's the problem with being [[Overshadowed By Awesome]], as well as being primarily a physical fighter in a magic and [[Danmaku]]-based series.

** Sakuya is Remilia's chief maid, and her timestopping abilities are useful for more than just throwing knives at people, and is thus quite more important to Remilia. Meiling can keep most humans and youkai out of the mansion, but was just plain out of her league when it came to dealing with the main protagonists ([[Cute Witch|one of whom]] acts as her very own [[Wave Motion Gun]] and [[Miko|the other of whom]] is just majorly powerful -- a common in-joke has one of her spellcards being "Hax Sign - You Just Plain Fucking Lose"). That's the problem with being [[Overshadowed by Awesome]], as well as being primarily a physical fighter in a magic and [[Danmaku]]-based series.

*** So maybe Remilia should hire a more competent gate-guard that could at least stand a better chance against people such as them? Unless SDM has become too attached to Meiling as a member.

**** Care to explain where Remilia would find somebody like that? Not likely that an EX Boss is going to sign up for gatekeeper duty, is it?

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** ZUN was drunk and fell asleep in the middle of it. He woke up the next morning and forgot. Or he just got lazy. I guess because extra is not stage 4.

** Reimu is the only one that people hear much about. Most youkai assume that Marisa is one of them, Sanae is the priestess of a faith that accepts youkai, and Youmu spends most of her time in purgatory. A newcomer like Mamizou can't be expected to have prepared copies of the others' spellcards. But mostly it's that Extra isn't stage 4

** Mamizou only turns into Reimu because the spellcard is a reference to the [[Cute'Em Up]] game [[~~Kiki~~ ~~Kai Kai~~]]. The stage 7 boss in that game is a tanuki who disguises himself as the main character, Sayo, who is a shrine maiden like Reimu.

** Mamizou only turns into Reimu because the spellcard is a reference to the [[Cute'Em Up]] game [[KiKi KaiKai]]. The stage 7 boss in that game is a tanuki who disguises himself as the main character, Sayo, who is a shrine maiden like Reimu.

* This has always bugged me, but how the hell does Lunarian society survive? Consider this. Ancient civilisation, established by particularly advanced humans long before ours was even conceived. Fair enough. But wouldn't their near-immortal lifespans present to us an obvious overpopulation problem? Considering how they've been around for so long, have had their numbers supplemented by the Moon Rabbits (which, obviously, reproduce like rabbits), their absolutely stunning medical technology (which would eliminate the issue of death by disease, thereby increasing the population exponentially over time) and also bearing in mind that the '''Moon''' (not the Lunar Capital) is only 1/6 the size of the Earth, wouldn't the Moon therefore be a crowded dystopia? Do understand that no amount of super-magic or advanced technology will fix this problem - it's a sad fact of life. But that's not why I pose this question. No, I seek clarification because ZUN seems to like portraying (or at least referencing) the Touhou!Moon as if it were some kind of perfect, idealistic utopia. So then. What gives?