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{{quote|''"Two turtle teams from two turtle worlds, different in so many ways... but deep down, [[Not So Different|there are similarities]]."''|'''The Shredder'''}}

 

 

An accident in the Technodrome sends it and the Turtles from the original cartoon to the 2003 Turtles' universe. As the 2003 Turtles try not to get too annoyed by their counterparts, 1987 Shredder and Krang make the biggest error of their lives when they free the 2003 Utrom Shredder (Ch'rell) from his exile. Utrom Shredder eventually takes over the Technodrome, and decides that if he wants to destroy the turtles, doing so in one universe won't be enough...

 

 

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* [[Adaptation Decay]]: In-universe that doubles as being meta: the Mirage Turtles mock the other sets of Turtles appearance-wise and character-wise.

* [[All Your Base Are Belong to Us]]

* [[Arbitrary Skepticism]]:

* [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking]]: While going down the list of what makes Utrom Shredder (Ch'rell) much more of a threat than 1987 Shredder, Mikey gives us the most damning arguement ever.

'''2003 Michelangelo''': ''COMPETENT!'' }}

* [[Ax Crazy]]: Utrom Shredder, as well as the Mirage Turtles, {{spoiler|who, until 2003 Leonardo mentioned The Shredder, looked like they were set to kill}} their alternate universe counterparts.

* [[Badass]]: The Mirage Turtles. Examples: 2003 Raphael really loves their gritty world, and is so impressed he even tries to kiss up to them - and gets punched down like he was their Mikey. Mirage Raphael alone scares the 1987 Turtles. The 2003 Turtles get stomped as well, although they weren't trying to fight the Mirage versions. Hell, they even scared ''Ch'rell''.

* [[Badass Boast]]

** He gets another one when confronting the Mirage Turtles:

* [[Badass Creed]]

* [[Barrier Maiden]]: The death of {{spoiler|the Mirage Turtles}} will trigger the end of [[The Multiverse]].

* [[Bash Brothers]]: A Ninja Turtles staple, but what makes this movie interesting is contrasting the more straight-up martial arts of the 2003 Turtles with the slapstick of the 1987 Turtles, and by the end their styles merge together.

** Double as a [[Crowning Moment of Funny]]

* [[Bond One-Liner]]: "The Shredder... has been shredded."

* [[Book Ends]]: This is a pretty meta application, but the franchise started with the cover of the original comic, whereas the movie, and the franchise's pre-Nickelodeon era, ends on a shot of that same cover. It also ends on the same line that ended the Turtles' first battle in the comics: "We strike hard, and fade away... into the night."

** Also, the three-part intro of the 2003 series had the turtles referring to themselves as "Turtles Forever... or something else we all shout at once."

* [[Breaking the Fourth Wall]]: 1987 Raphael [[Aside Glance|addresses the audience a couple of times]]...

** Then there's the 2003 Turtles noticing that Mirage Leonardo is narrating their fight...

* [[Cast of Snowflakes]]: Take a look at the pedestrians and see how many variations there are.

* [[The Cameo]]: A metric crapload; as a revival of the original cartoon and a celebration of the Turtles' 25th anniversary, you get a bunch of cameos from all over the franchise's history.

* [[Character Exaggeration]]: While the original cartoon turtles would sometimes act as silly as they do here, the movie takes that aspect of their characterization and plotlines and [[Flanderization|runs with it]] (the 2003 Turtles even say: "Geez, it's like having five Mikey's now!"). The Mirage Turtles seem to go the other direction, with nearly all of their personality subsumed in [[Darker and Edgier|grim and gritty]] [[Badass]] - until [[Fridge Brilliance|one realizes]] that they are less the turtles from the Mirage Universe than they are the turtles of ''TMNT'' issue #1, and as such, have no established personalities beyond "[[Frank Miller]] parody".

* [[Chekhov's Gun]]: {{spoiler|The exploding throwing stars from the 1987 universe. While initially thought useless by the 2003 Turtles, it actually saves them from [[Fate Worse Than Death|being erased from the universe forever]].}}

* [[City of Weirdos]]: Subverted when the 1987 Turtles, transferred to the universe of their 2003 counterparts, walk around New York like they're a common sight, unaware of the pains the 2003 Turtles take to conceal themselves. People are surprised by this as would be expected. The trope is later played straight when the teams end up in the 1987 universe, where rampaging living bananas fighting mutant turtles don't even get a glance from residents.

* [[Cloudcuckooland]]: The 1987 universe, as far as the 2003 Turtles are concerned.

'''2003 Michelangelo''': This dimension is ''seriously'' messed up. }}

* [[Contemptible Cover]] / [[Covers Always Lie]]: [http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100625191603/tmnt/images/f/f4/Turtlesforeverdvd.JPG The upcoming DVD release] has a cover that has only ''one'' set of Turtles on it, despite the fact that different groups meeting up is the entire ''point'' of the movie.

** [[Advertised Extra]]: Further proving [[Covers Always Lie]], Tokka and Rahzar appear in this cover... but...

* [[Continuity Nod]]: Several, but most notable, the name "Turtles Forever" was used in the third episode of the 2003 series when Splinter finishes telling the origin story to April. The audience is set up to expect a [[Title Drop]], but the 4 turtles [[Subverted Trope|subvert it]] by yelling "Turtles Forever!". Another would be Krang's {{spoiler|and Ch'rell's}} use of the growing tech and swiss army knife hands in his suit from way back in his first battle with the Turtles in the 87 show.

** In ''[[The Future|Fast Forward]]'', Cody mentioned the Turtles 2nd lair was destroyed. We found out it was during the movie.

* [[Continuity Porn]]: Oh dear Lord yes. Especially when the Turtles are being shown the "multiverse stills". It includes the ''Anime'' Turtles.

* [[Crisis Crossover]]: Between the [[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003|Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]], the [[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1987|Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]], and the [[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mirage|Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]. This is technically the first time the Mirage Turtles have been animated.

* [[Curb Stomp Battle]]: When both sets of turtles fight {{spoiler|their Mirage counterparts, who would've likely killed them had 2003 Leo not mention Shredder's name.}}

* [[Darker and Edgier]]: The world of the Mirage Turtles. Not to mention the Mirage Turtles themselves. Even the 2003 Raphael calls his Mirage counterpart a hardcase.

** By extension, the 2003 world is also Darker And Edgier compared with the 1987 world. There's even a moment where, before they all go off to fight him, the 2003 Turtles point out to the 1987 Turtles that their Shredder is much deadlier than the 1987 Shredder.

'''2003 Michelangelo:''' COMPETENT! }}

* [[Deadly Dodging]]: Hun moves just in time to avoid being hit by Master Splinter's walking stick, and it struck Rocksteady instead.

** {{spoiler|Bebop and Rocksteady could be argued to be this.}}

* [[Did You Get a New Haircut?|Did You Get a Perm Job?]]: '87 Raphael to '03 Splinter.

'''Raphael''': Hope you don't mind, but we let ourselves in. }}

** Also, the Turtle Van's travel between the two universes, destroying Foot Soldiers in the process.

* [[Edited for Syndication]]: Some scenes (or parts of scenes) were edited out of the broadcast version to make room for commercials, and it's fairly apparent at times. For instance, there was [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahjN5kobTKs#t=267s a scene] that explains how Karai had tracked Ch'rell to the Technodrome, and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY20NMf3BUo#t=16s another scene] that gets an emotional [[Call Back]] in 1987 Splinter's scene.

** But, for a more specific example, destroying Turtle Prime destroys every other dimension, meaning they become nothing but a completely white wasteland which ''literally'' cannot support life.

* [[Enemy Mine]]: Long list: {{spoiler|Karai, Hun, Krang, and 1987 Shredder.}}

* [[Eviler Than Thou]]: The 2003 Shredder when compared with his 1987 counterpart and Krang. At first, 1987 Shredder hoped they could form a [[Big Bad Duumvirate]] with him... then he discovered Ch'rell was murderously violent and Karai's involvement allowed him to take over the Technodrone, and all of 1987 Shredder/Krang's assets, upgrade them to his own means, and use them in a plan the destroy the entire Multiverse. The 2003 Shredder considers the '87 villains incompetent and worthless, and eventually has them imprisoned when he can't stand them any longer (except Bebop and Rocksteady, who he allows to serve him).

* [[Even Evil Has Standards]]: 1987 Shredder and Krang join the fight to stop 2003 Shredder at the end, because not even they would attempt to destroy all reality.

* [[Flanderization]]: Sure, the Turtles from the 80's were sillier than the newer cartoon versions but they weren't nearly as wacky as displayed here. In fact, Leonardo was usually the more serious turtle but here, he was just as goofy as the others.

** Similarly, '87 Shredder and Krang behaved even more like the bickering married couple that people claimed they had become by the end of the series.

* [[The Fool]]: The '87 Turtles when they're out of their element. But that doesn't stop them from being [[Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass|helpful when the situation calls for it]].

* [[Foreshadowing]]: As he's being locked up by Bebop and Rocksteady, Krang tells them this:

** At the beginning of the movie, after the news about the Turtles tackling the Purple Dragons, there's a report about seismic activity.

* [[Getting Crap Past the Radar]]: In the beginning, the Soap Opera 2003 Splinter is watching has a man saying, "I'm not your stepbrother-- I'm your half-'''sister!'''"

* [[Godzilla Threshold]]: Quite a few moments where it gets so bad that the day is only saved through last last ditch tactics, and equipment and methods that up to that point had been written off as useless.

* [[Gosh Dang It to Heck]]: The 1987 Turtles take this [[Up to Eleven]], with the worst thing that '87 Donatello can describe to the Mirage Turtles about the 2003 Shredder is that "he's a grade-A meanie!" Remember, he is meant to be describing a vicious murderer and would-be conqueror who is currently attempting to destroy the universe.

* [[Grand Finale]]: For virtually the entire franchise up to this point, now that Mirage has sold the rights to Nickelodeon.

* [[Hands Go Down]]:

'''2003 Leonardo:''' ...''other'' than going out for a slice? }}

* [[Hey, It's That Voice!]]: It's not every day that the Ninja Turtles are composed of [[Yu-Gi-Oh!|Yugi]] [[Dan Green|Moto]], [[Shadow the Hedgehog|Shadow]] [[Sonic X|The]] [[Jason Griffith|Hedgehog]] and [[Dragon Ball|Son]] [[Sean Schemmel|Goku]].

* [[Heel Face Turn]]: {{spoiler|Karai.}}

** 2003 Raphael calling the Mirage Turtles "hardcases", although they ''are'' harder than ''he'' is.

** Though initially enjoying their antics, 2003 Michelangelo eventually gets annoyed by the 1987 Turtles' constant joking:

* [[I Have Many Names]]: "You speak my name, but you do not know me. I am Ch'rell, Oroku Saki, Duke Acureds, the one true Shredder!"

* [[I'm Standing Right Here]]: Occurs when 1987 Shredder comments on how he hopes that Ch'rell will be a better partner than the usual idiots he works with. Krang is not amused.

** Although there's a scene where '87 Don and Leo are dodging laser fire.

* [[Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain]]: 1987 Shredder, Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady were always this, but it's especially highlighted when they're compared to the much more competent 2003 villains. {{spoiler|Until the final battle}}, they're the [[Goldfish Poop Gang]]. Even the 2003 Turtles mention this.

2003 Michelangelo: "COMPETENT!!!" }}

* [[I Resemble That Remark]]:

* All the 1987 Turtles start laughing, whilst 2003 Raphael and Leonardo [[Face Palm]]* }}

* [[Ironic Echo]]: The 1987 Turtles mention getting pizza, later, {{spoiler|the Mirage Turtles decide to go out for pizza at the end, something that they've never done in the comics prior.}} And after that, the creators of the very first comic (Laird and Eastman) are overheard talking about how they hope the comic will sell as they go out for a slice of their own.

** Let's not forget when 2003 Raphael called his Mirage self a hardcase.

** There's also the time 2003 Michelangelo berated the '80s Turtles

** Also, this line, uttered first by the '03 Shredder, and later by '03 Leonardo, {{spoiler|each after pulling off their respective [[Batman Gambit|Batman Gambits]]}}:

* [[Killed Off for Real]]: {{spoiler|Ch'rell finally dies in this movie, courtesy of Bebop and Rocksteady. ''Bebop. And. Rocksteady.''}} No, seriously. Given his track record, only the fact that this is the [[Grand Finale]] gives it any weight--even {{spoiler|Splinter and Karai [[Lampshade Hanging|note]] that they don't doubt the possibility of him surviving}}.

* [[Large Ham]]: Arguably 2003 Shredder. "The time has come... to '''RIIIIIIIISSSSEEEE!!!'''"

** ''All'' the Shredders.

'''Mirage Shredder''': I! AM! ''HERE!'' }}

* [[Lampshade Hanging]]: When the eight turtles first arrive in the '87 universe, '87 Leonardo is able to know that they have to save April ''without even looking around.''

'''2003 Michelangelo:''' ''Competent!'' }}

* [[Late Arrival Spoiler]]/[[It Was His Sled]]: '''Any''' Ninja Turtles fan who even just ''remotely'' heard of this movie would have already known of its highlights, apart from, y'know, [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|the '87 Turtles]]: [[The Multiverse]] and the Mirage Turtles. Heck, a clip of [[The Multiverse]] slideshow is the picture of the ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]'' main page!

* [[Let's You and Him Fight]]: The first thing that the Mirage TMNT do when they appear is fight the other two sets of turtles.

2003 Michelangelo: "EXPLODING robots! Ha ha!" }}

* [[Make My Monster Grow]]: The 2003 version of Shredder grows to an incredible size in order to wipe out the turtles of the Mirage universe; Krang then enlarges himself as well, in order to fight this Shredder on equal footing, but is cut down in no time.

** At least two of Krang's plans are used by the 2003 Shredder: Creating a mutant army, and turning into a giant robot.

** "You were expecting maybe someone else?"

* [[Negated Moment of Awesome]]: {{spoiler|Utrom-Shredder increases massively in size to take apart our heroes. Krang does the same however, and get's ready fight him, one-on-one. [[Anticlimax|He only lasts about three seconds]].}}

* [[Nice Job Fixing It, Villain]]: Bebop and Rocksteady {{spoiler|plugging back in the upgraded Technodrome's [[Death Ray]] and killing the 2003 Shredder.}}

* [[Not So Different]]: At the end of the film, all three groups of Turtles seem to acknowledge a sense of kinship between each other. Despite all the things that were different between them, they were all heroes and even the "more serious" 2003 Turtles had their gimmicks. "It's Ninja Time!" "Turtle Power!" When the '03 Turtles visit the '87 Turtles world they see the '87 Splinter treat them with the same wise compassion their Splinter showed the '87 Turtles when the roles were reversed.

** Even the 2003 Shredder realized that the differing Turtles had at least something in common {{spoiler|as he was preparing to kill both groups.}}

* [[Not So Harmless]]: Ch'rell gets his tentacles on 1987 Shredder's toys (robot Foot Soldiers, mutagen, and the Technodrome) and actually turns them into a credible, lethal threat.

** That's not to say a fast acting mutagen, a robot army, and a giant battle station with laser cannons are nothing to sneeze at, but Ch'rell really had the '87 arsenal upgraded.

* [[Overshadowed by Awesome]]: Happens with the 1987 Turtles who are shown to be inferior fighters compared to the 2003 Turtles. Happens again with the Mirage Turtles overshadowing both.

** Also happens with Shredders; with the 2003 Shredder actually being the [[Big Bad]] while both 1987 and Mirage Shredders were, by contrast, both relatively inept bad guys.

* [[Percussive Maintenance]]: Apparently one of 1987 Donatello's stock techniques. 2003 Donatello is more reluctant.

* [[Pet the Dog]]: At the end {{spoiler|the Mirage Turtles admit their counterparts weren't that bad. Mirage Mikey admits he liked the initialized belt buckles of the 1987 Turtles.}}

** And by extension {{spoiler|the 2003 Turtles also admit they're gonna miss the 1987 Turtles. As a final sign of respect they even trade each other's catchphrases as a farewell.}}

** Take note that {{spoiler|the only Turtle to hit 2003 Raphael for hating on the belt buckles was ''Mirage Raphael'', so Mirage Mikey may not have been the only one who liked the belt buckles.}}

** [[Lampshade Hanging|Cue eyes rolling by Master Splinter.]] Seriously...

* [[That Poor Cat]]

* {{spoiler|[[Pretender Diss]]: The Mirage Turtles, to the point where their first reaction on seeing the other turtles is Kill-On-Sight.}}

* [[Revenge Before Reason]]: Ch'rell is so intent on {{spoiler|ending the existence of all the Turtles in the multiverse that he doesn't realize (or really care) that it will wipe ''him'' out as well.}}

** {{spoiler|In a scene deleted from the broadcast for time, it's revealed he stops for a moment, but he decides to kill the originals anyway, because, well, it's what he does.}}

** Also 2k3 Mikey being the '87 Turtles frequent target of a "noogie".

* [[Shout-Out]]: The scene where Ch'rell has captured both Turtle teams in the virtual chamber and is scanning their DNA in search of Turtle Prime distinctly evokes the final moments of ''[[Tron]]'' inside the MCP's Tower.

** Then there's this line:

** Not to mention:

** And:

** ...all of which occur during the same scene.

** Which becomes [[Hilarious in Hindsight|funnier]] when in one of the interviews, Laird mentions he had no intention of the Shredder becoming the "Darth Vader" of the franchise.

** The Turtleverse bears striking resemblance to [[Planetary|a theoretical snowflake existing in 196,833 dimensional space.]]

* [[Shown Their Work]]: If you've read the comics, watched the old show, seen the movies, or just researched the franchise, there are ''so many'' in-jokes and tidbits you can notice. For example, Mirage Leonardo actually quotes the original comics.

* [[Spanner in the Works]]: Bebop and Rocksteady.

** An earlier example would be {{spoiler|Karai. If not for her involvement, the two Turtle teams wouldn't even be ''alive'', and the end of [[The Multiverse]] would have been a ''lot'' sooner.}}

* [[Stealth Hi Bye]]: The Mirage Turtles at the end.

* [[Stock Footage]]: Despite being a very well animated movie, it has several moments where footage from a previous scene is reused, including from a few seconds ago, doesn't stop the movie from being good though.

* [[Talking Is a Free Action]]: Subverted.

* [[Talk to the Fist]]

'''Mirage Raphael:''' ''Less talk, more action.'' }}

* [[Taking You with Me]]: {{spoiler|2003 Shredder attempts to do this after discovering that by killing the Mirage Turtles, he'll destroy EVERYTHING to a white void, including himself. However, he hates the Turtles so much that he considers death by his own hand a small price to pay if it meant the Turtles in every dimension get killed off}}.

* [[The Earth Prime Theory]]: The application here is more meta than the typical usage and requires a bit of thinking: Utrom Shredder's plan isn't really given any reason to work until you realize what he's ACTUALLY destroying is the franchise itself. If the Turtles don't exist at their earliest form, the rest of the property we know here in the real world as "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" cannot exist (as the original comic never was given life to spawn the rest of the franchise).

* [[Title Drop]]:

* [[Totally Radical]]: Literally invoked.

* [[Trailers Always Spoil]]: the 4Kids trailer, showing scenes from all acts in the movie, including the finale.

* [[Viewers Are Geniuses]]: This movie seems to assume the viewer knows about the original comic books, people could only guess before this movie came out, [[Adaptation Displacement|many people assumed]] Turtle Prime was the 1987 world, and not the original comics. Not to mention the fact that the creators of the movie [[Shown Their Work|clearly did a lot of research on the franchise]].

* [[What Do You Mean It's Not Awesome?]]: Mirage Leonardo's constant narration, [[Fan Service|though you've gotta love the fact he quotes the comics.]]

2003 Raphael: "I LOVE these guys!" }}

* [[Where It All Began]]: For the entire TMNT franchise, as the last act takes place in the world of the original Mirage comics.

** As soon as he reaches the Mirage Universe, this seems to be his original intention with the Mirage Turtles (since he doesn't need anything fancy to make sure they stay dead). But then the Mirage Turtles [[Batman Gambit|call him]] [[Nobody Calls Me Chicken|a coward]] and he abandons this plan to confront them himself.

** [[Better Than a Bare Bulb|And yet also]] [[Lampshaded]]:

* [[You Have Got to Be Kidding Me!]]:

'''2003 Michelangelo:''' No no no no no no no no NO! }}

 

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