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== Furudo Erika is headed for an [[Alas, Poor Scrappy]]. ==

* Confirmed. Bernkastel reveals that although Erika most certainly did wash up on Rokkenjima, she was already dead when she did, as she drowned at sea. Not the kind of death I'd wish on her, the bitch.

* Her last conversation with Dlanor has her going surprisingly dere on us. I had to choke back my milk when I first read it.

*** Kanon's escaping one closed room to rescue meta-Battler from another: the simplest theory that explains it is that Kanon was NEVER in the sealed room--"he" was Shannon, in the other room, and Erika's own insistence on guaranteeing "Everyone else is in this room" came back to bite her bigtime.

*** "Sorry, but - " "{{color|red|Even if you join us - }}" "{{color|red|There are 17 people.}}"

**** People = alive, human = just a body. If you execute Erika in the TIPS it says she washed up on shore dead in the first place. This "definition of people" was already specified with the Kinzo shenanigans, right? Although in that case, she's really the 19th human. Oh well.

**** That's easy. You simply miscalculated. 16 people (that is, everyone that is alive) + 1 = 17 people. 17 humans (that is, everyone alive plus Kinzo) + 1 = 18 humans. {{color|blue| Erika thought that there were 17 people on the island without her, and stated that she was the 18th human, which was true. Then, when Battler and Beatrice stated that even with her on the island there were only 17 people, she couldn't find a way to justify her existence and disappeared in a [[Puff of Logic]].}} That way, she was Retconned into never actually arriving to the island alive, and just being a body. This is the {{color|blue|only}} way that the 6th game can be solved.

*** They are not. Read the story again. But still, everything can be interpreted in more than ten ways, so you can really believe what you want to.

*** I admit I was being a bit sarcastic, but quite a lot of the things that happen in Episode 4 just simply don't make sense, even with the metaphors that Shannon=Kanon. At any rate, not all magic scenes contain metaphorical truths. I can say with all security that Shannon is Kanon is Beatrice. I will say, however, that it can't be proven. Such is the way of Rokkenjima's cat box. Believe what you want, but at the very least, think before you speak. Reason before you claim. Edit before you post, and for the love of Zarquon, fix your spelling and grammar as well. (This last bit is referring to the guy with hideous grammar above, not the troper I'm responding to.)

 

== The last people alive are killed by a time bomb ==

== Beatrice is not the true antagonist. ==

(Note that this troper hasn't gotten far in the game and may be wrong in this theory...)

* As of episode 5, it's clearly Bernkastel, while Lambdadelta seems to be more of an observer. Episodes 7 and 8 show that {{spoiler|Bernkastel is, in fact, the major antagonist here.}}

 

 

...Then he had his falling out with the family and left, abandoning her. Six years later, he comes waltzing back to the island and is a total lech who acts like she doesn't even exist. [[Woman Scorned|No wonder she's pissed.]]

* {{color|red|The sin I am now demanding that you remember is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice.}}

** {{color|blue|The sin is ''no longer'' between Battler and Beatrice, now that he's starting to keep the promise. They just need to wrap things up, and people will stop dying.}}

*** {{color|red|Knox's 8th! It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented! The above Red Truth states that Battler's sin was not against "Beatrice", therefore, it was against someone else}}, {{color|blue|and this person that Battler sinned against is the culprit behind the murders in all of the stories.}} {{color|red|Battler Ushiromiya has a sin. Because of [Battler's] sin, people die. Due to [Battler's] sin, a great many humans on this island die. No one escapes, all die.}}

* Sorta confirmed in episode 7. Of course, as Beato stated, the promise was not to her, but {{spoiler|Shannon. On the other hand, since Shannon and Beatrica are implied to be alter egos...}}

 

 

== People in the Ushiromiya Family are prone to suffering [[Split Personality|Disassociative Identity Disorder]]. ==

** {{color|red|This is plausible}}, especially on Rosa's part. {{color|blue|The other self that abuses Maria is called the Black Witch, hence why Maria refers to Rosa's violent outbursts as "being possessed by the Black Witch".}}

* Confirmed for some people. In particular, {{spoiler|Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice is very heavily implied}} in episode 7, and episode 3 implies Eva/EVA.

I'm surprised nobody pointed that out, as in that Shannon is the Beatrice of [[E Ps]] 2 and 4 - just look at the tattoo on her leg.

 

* Very heavily implied in episode 7.

 

* Episode 8 confirms that: {{spoiler|Tohya Hachijo is actually Battler, while the person calling herself Hachijo is actually Ikuko Hachijo}}

 

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