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** According to The Art of Up, Muntz's age is calculated to be in his late 90s or early 100s. They were originally going to have some kind of Fountain of Youth storyline, where he would eat Kevin's eggs to stay young but that idea was scrapped.
** The IMDB answers this one. It was said Muntz was also working on an elixir that slowed the aging process. Kinda lame, but just go with it.
** The villain in the [[Five Episode Pilot]] of Disney's ''[[DuckDuckTales Tales(1987)]]'' lived for 500 years because he was ''that obsessed'' with finding a hidden treasure. Seems to be a Disney trend for evil [[Cool Old Guy|Cool Old Guys]]s.
*** [[Girl Genius|He vowed that he would catch that bird before he died. You need to be better about keeping your promises.]]
** He's got friends on the other side...
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** It's possible they didn't have the money for it at the time, as seen later on with the jar.
** Apparently their honeymoon ''consisted of repairing their then-uninhabitable house'' (as they were still wearing their tux and dress in the first [[Hard Work Montage]] with the house). No wonder it was so important to Carl...
** Given that they both had to work, and were using loose change to save up for Paradise Falls, and they had to keep breaking into their Paradise Falls fund to pay for stuff, it seems that they were very probably dirt poor. Thus, as the above troper noted, their honeymoon was repairing the house. Actually (although maybe it was because I had seen this the day before), it reminded me of [[ItsIt's a Wonderful Life]] more than anything, because the exact same thing happens.
*** [[Fridge Brilliance]] : Carl's job isn't exactly high-paying and there's no indication that Ellie had a job other than "occupation : housewife". They were able to buy the house because it had been long-abandoned, and keep it up, save money and have a middle-class lifestyle on Carl's income ''because'' there were never any kids.
*** She had a job! She worked in the zoo in the South American Exhibit at the zoo! Carl sold his balloons in front of it! Watch the Married Life Montage again.
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*** Submarines will switch to red light when it is supposed to be night. They would probably dim the lights a bit in deference to the employee's circadian rhythm (and power bills).
** As for "not looking pregnant" - Well, I'm 25 weeks pregnant at the time of writing, and I STILL don't look pregnant! (To put it in perspective for those who don't know, an average pregnancy is 40 weeks)
** Having had four miscarriages, this troper can attest that one generally wouldn't go to the hospital for them, and they often happen long before you would "look pregnant" (mine were all between 7-137–13 weeks along and I never did). That scene as a depiction of a miscarriage, therefore, works pretty well. At the same time I can see why Pixar would want it to be a bit ambiguous, so that parents could simply tell young children 'they couldn't have a baby'.
** Sadly, this scene invokes Occam's Razor. First, the entirety of the scene uses nonverbal cues to clue the viewer in on what is going on. They never show Ellie with a pregnancy bump, and in order to assume she is pregnant, you'd have to also assume that for some reason, they have abandoned the non-verbal cues concept, specifically for that 6 seconds. You would then have to make the logical leap to her being pregnant, in order to think she had lost the baby. Comparatively, if you go with the concept of only taking what the scene actually shows, it makes far more sense that she was informed of being barren. As many who have commented on this already have attested, you don't stop trying to have a baby after one miscarriage.
** Actually, I find the whole team of writers and animators managed to make an amazing job on this scene. It's left to us to interpret what happened there. If they had mentioned "miscarriage", "sterile", "abortion" or any other big word, children would be upset, and parents would be upset (rightly so) for having to explain such a concept to a young one (specially if they had mentioned it ''wasn't'' their first try). Now, while we adults can understand the sort of thing that happened and why is such a touching scene, it's not the same for children, whose parent will need to address what happened there.
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* Where the hell are Russell's parents? I mean, so what if they're separated, why didn't they seem to notice or even care that Russel was missing for such a long time? All we get to see of his parents is a bit of his mom enthusiastically clapping when he graduates to Senior Wilderness Explorer and that's right after he and Carl land. She's not even a bit concerned.
** Well, obviously his dad doesn't really care what happens to him, and judging from the lines "Let's play a game: who can stay quiet the longest." "Oh, my mom ''loves'' that game!" his mom would have been happy not having her little boy hassling her for a while. Though that doesn't explain why she doesn't seem too worried after at least three days...then again, we don't get to see what happens back in the city. Maybe she called 911. And we don't get to see the police because seriously, I doubt they'd think he'd be in South America.
*** "...we don't get to see what happens back in the city." Call this [[Canon Dis ContinuityDiscontinuity]], but Pixar did make this: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF5KWMX3u4Y\]
** Even still, you'd think she'd be a ''bit'' furious at Carl for not returning him sooner or contacting her.
** She was initially angry, but then got hypnotized by Dug's adorable-ness.
** Well, it really wasn't Carl's fault. He did try and return Russell immediately after he realized he was in the house, but the storm screwed things up. They could have told her the truth and used the ginormous dirigible and pack of talking dogs to back up their story.
** If we work on the assumption that Russell's Mom is a divorcee, she's probably also a working mom, and wouldn't even know Russell was missing until she got home that evening and noticed he wasn't there -- andthere—and by that time, he was halfway to South America already.
** Maybe she thought he had gone to his Dad's for something, but she didn't want to talk to her ex-husband about it {{spoiler|because he's a f*** tard}}.
** Russell's family situation is intentionally left vague, Phyllis could be his older sister for all we know, Carl is not the type to pry so we never find out and it is ultimately not important. And as for why she is not mad, she probably was at first but figured he made it out alive and got a surrogate father so let it slide on the condition it never happens again.
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*** Russell explicitly says he tracked the snipe under Carl's house.
** [[Rule Of Story]] and [[Rule of Funny]]. The audience isn't supposed to know that Russell is with him, and to see him actually under the porch would be a dead giveaway.
** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF5KWMX3u4Y This Pixar short shows.]] How he got from there to the porch, though...
 
* The title is too short to look up on this website's search engine. That bugs me.
** Perhaps we can make it into Up! for the title?
** Or ''Pixar's Up''.
** [[Take a Third Option|Use Google]].
*** Rare instance where that doesn't work, "Pixar Up Tv Tropes" doesn't work as well as additional redundant attempts to narrow down, finding the Pixar article and linking from there is pretty much the only way an average joe could be expected to find these pages
**** Searching for "[http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=site%3Atvtropes.org+Up&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=site%3Atvtropes.org+Up&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f site:tvtropes.org Up]" gives you the right page as the very first link. Of course, you have to know about [http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=136861 Google's advanced search options] to figure this out...
** As of December, this Troper found it as the second entry using the website's search engine...
** Wanna know how ''I'' found it? {{spoiler|Just edit the [[Wiki Sandbox]], put in the title, click on it from the preview window, and cancel edit. Tadaa!}}
*** If you're going to go to ''that'' much trouble, you might as well just go to the [[Home Page|home page]], and replace the "HomePage" part of the URL with "Up".
** It got better, now.
 
* What happened to the dog pilots after they parachuted to earth? The airship (if my memory is correct) never seemed to land and the rest of the dogs got taken home in it. Did they leave the pilots to starve or something?
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* Why didn't Carl get in trouble with the FAA or the police throughout the film? I mean, he launched a house attached with balloons unregulated into the sky and landed a ''blimp'' on top of an ice cream parlor.
** "Hello, is this the FAA? Yeah, there's this guy flying in a house. Yes, he's attached his house to a million balloons and he's just flying it down the... hello? Hello?"
** Somehow, I imagine any calls to the cops or the FAA would be dismissed as [[Cassandra Truth|Cassandra Truths]]s.
** So in this sense, the blimp at the end of the film as it hovers over Fenton's was simply viewed as a ''promotional'' thing?
*** [[Insistent Terminology|Zeppelin!]]
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*** While there may be some golden undertones to Asian skin, the lighter shades are very often not noticeably different from a cacausian person's. He has Asian features, not just with the eyes but also the shape of his face, straight black hair, and an Asian-American ''voice actor''. Characters aren't always the same race as their voice actors, but Disney ones are more often than not.
*** This troper is Asian-American, and I didn't wig on Russell's "asian-ness" until halfway through the movie. Not that it affects the movie one way or another, which is fine by me.
*** Perhaps because his design and character are based on Pixar animator [http://files.blogbus.com/mymovie.blogbus.com/files/12393546381.jpg Peter Sohn]{{Dead link}}?
*** This troper tends to go with 'if they look asian and sound asian, they're asian'. Asian skintones are very variable. Really, I'd have thought people would be all over what I believe is the first major non-white Pixar character- he is, right? True, we aren't hit over the head with 'evidence', but there doesn't need to be a ''reason'' for a character to be asian.
**** First major non-white Pixar character? Frozone would like to speak to you. Also, over half of the Pixar movies have been quite lax in the human department as far as characters go.
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*** It's only said in passing, but the [[DVD Commentary]] blatantly says he's Asian.
** Tiger Woods is part Asian yet my mother refuses to acknowledge that (and my family is asian). * shrugs* People will associate what they are with what they've seen - spend your life growing up around black British and you may very well be weirded out by white British.
** Sounds like [[Community|Not Being Racist Is The New Racism]].<ref> I'm sad that that didn't make it past the YKTTW, we need it... for examples in fiction, [[Predefined Messages|mostly]]</ref>. If you notice that he "looks Asian", you're noticing physiological stereotypes. If you don't, and don't think it matters (I thought the woman at the end looked like [[Darkskinned Blonde|Mi]][[Mukokuseki|ra]][[Ambiguously Brown|ge]] from ''[[The Incredibles]]'' with black hair and no tan), you're racially insensitive (which I find personally insulting, since I didn't notice he was supposed to look even vaguely Asian, or anything more specific than a [[Animation Anatomy Aging|probably]]-pudgy kid, until well after everyone else was arguing online about it. For that matter, I didn't even remember that Muntz was a German name until they started playing up the pre-war propaganda style in the documentary, though it probably helps that he has a rather thick North American English accent). If you associate Russell's [[Word of God|unique]] stylization, naivete, and whatever-shaped eyes with Down's Syndrome, you think all Asians (not even bothering with specific ethnicities) are somehow related to Down's Syndrome sufferers (see also the above comment on people associating other people and things with what they're used to seeing, especially since Pixar went for their stylized look which makes everyone [[Ambiguously Human]]). Since [[Word of God]] says Russell's Asian, I'll go with that, but it would be nice if people would stop picking on everyone with [[Mukokuseki|stateless]]-tinted vision.
*** Down's Syndrome used to be called "mongolism" (at least in Britain) until people of Mongolian descent pointed out how racist this was.
** This asian troper not only thought he was asian, but ''specifically'' Korean. The fact that so many people don't see Russell as asian makes me think that they expect asian people to look more like stereotypes presented in media. Russell's race has nothing to do with the plot or his character, but to many racial minorities, excepting racial differences is much less harmful than not seeing them at all, because then it just sounds like you expect everyone is white.
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* It bugs me how there are several ''really obvious'' references to studio Ghibli films in this movie, yet nobody notices. If it were from any other animation studio, I would have passed it if as coincidental, but knowing Pixars relationship with Studio Ghibli, it is very logical to assume that:
** The premise itself is obviously inspired by the ending of the Miyazaki film ''[[Film/HowlsHowl's Moving Castle (anime)|HowlsHowl's Moving Castle]]''.
*** Are you sure you don't mean ''[[Diana Wynne Jones]]'''s ''[[Howl's Moving Castle (Literaturenovel)|Howl's Moving Castle]]''? Or her own sequel, ''Castle in the Air''? Miyazaki only based his adaptation somewhat loosely on that.
*** The house looked a lot more like the end of Miyazaki's version that Miss Wynne-Jones's black, smoking, chimney-pot like structure (which was never more than a foot off the ground according to [[Word of God]]) so no, the first poster meant Miyazaki's version, although I sympathize with being annoyed by [[Adaptation Displacement]].
** The zeppelin Muntz rides in looks very reminiscent of the first zeppelin in [[Laputa: Castle in Thethe Sky]], particularly during the chase scenes on its exterior.
*** I'm pretty sure * ''every*'' big airship looked at least a bit like Muntz's on the outside.
** When Russel takes some balloons and uses them to ride the leaf blower, it bears a striking resemblance in animation movements to frames in ''[[Kiki's Delivery Service]]'', particularly when near the zeppelin.
** The biplane flying dogs are reminiscent of [[Porco Rosso]].
*** Well, bugger me. I felt like a really lame [[Star Wars]] fan coming out and logging on to the page. Now I find there was all this to spot!
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* Wait, Kevin seems to be a Ratite, which are birds such as ostriches, emus, etc. Ratites have very powerful legs, and ostriches are known to kill lions with a single kick. ''Why doesn't Kevin just kill Muntz's dogs if they're ticking her off so much?''
** She might have done so offscreen. Muntz notes in passing that he's lost a lot of dogs in the labyrinth with the Snipe nest. But every time we see Kevin in the movie, she's being pursued by multiple dogs and so would do better to run away.
*** "Lost" doesn't mean "killed". Lost means [[Exactly What It Says Onon the Tin|"lost"]]. They got lost in the labyrinth, never to return. Granted, they ''then'' died either of starvation or being kicked by Kevin, but they got lost first.
**** How would Muntz know if they were lost or if they had been killed? He might've just said lost because of Russell's age.
** Kevin doesn't look so much like a ratite to me as she looks like a colourfull [[wikipedia:Phorusrhacidae|phorusrhacid]], which would make sense considering it takes place in South America. Most likely she is omnivorous (as she eats pretty much anything she can find), so its not much of a stretch that most of the "lost" dogs were her meals...
 
* Not a [[Just Bugs Me]], but a mere continuity error -- Russellerror—Russell calls Carl "Mr. Fredricksen", even though Carl never told him what his name was.
** I think he'd vaguely known him before just from being around the neighborhood. At least I hope so, because little kids shouldn't just be going up to stranger's houses like that.
** Someone with a copy of the DVD can fact-check me on this, but isn't it commonplace to put the last name on the mailbox? I don't remember if Carl does, but it wouldn't be unusual.
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*** Because he considers himself a great explorer. If someone else found it, and brought it back, they'd probably take a look at it, eventually admit maybe Muntz was right. But it wouldn't anywhere near the acclaim that he was used to and considered his right. You can't call yourself a great adventurer if you sit around pawning dog collars while someone else goes out and has your adventures.
*** This is a man who was on top of the world for at least a decade, and then he has to have the scientific community laugh in his face, call him a liar, and discredit all of his adventures. Talk about the ego popping of the century, even a not crazy person would become obsessed after taking that big a blow.
*** To follow along from these points, it's a common trope (particularly in adventure literature like Doyle's "Lost World" and H. Rider Haggard's Darkest Africa stories) for an explorer to be focused on winning the acclaim and scientific reputation ''himself''. It wasn't just that he wanted to prove the existence of the bird to exonerate himself--hehimself—he wanted to also be given the credit for finding it, thus earning his place in history/scientific achievement. Even if he assumed the one who found it would give proper credit to him as the initial discoverer (hardly guaranteed, since even aside from not knowing who he was or having an ulterior motive to discredit him, this person could be just as interested in hogging all the glory for the discovery as Muntz himself was), that still wouldn't feel as satisfying or vindicating as standing there himself, taking the credit and being lauded by the scientific community.
** Muntz is clearly more concerned about the fact that they didn't believe him. He did announce that he would not return until he captured it. People might have thought that was a rhetorical flourish at the time. Perhaps Muntz is fixed into the trap that [[I Gave My Word]] and no amount of reason could make him do otherwise. Being isolated and paranoid for so long couldn't have improved his reasoning faculties.
** Been a while since I've watched the movie, but in-universe, it would hardly be out-of-character for Muntz to simply ''not care'' about anything else. He's very old, very much mentally exhausted, and clearly insane; by this time, catching Kevin may have become a personal, irrational obsession, and his original intent of regaining his reputation and whatnot may no longer be the point, if there's even a point now besides "catching that damn bird at any cost".
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* All over little Ellie's bedroom walls there's newspaper clippings with headlines such as "MUNTZ CAPTURES YETI." So just because they thought Muntz was wrong about this one thing, suddenly all his other accomplishments don't matter?
** It wasn't that they thought he was ''wrong'', it's that they thought he was a ''fraud''. If his latest discovery is fake, that casts doubt on anything else he does or has done.
*** [[Monsters, Inc.|Did said Yeti sound oddly familiar?]]
 
* Not about the movie itself, but... a Christian movie reviewing site claimed the movie was sexually immoral. Why? Because they read an [[Accidental Innuendo]] line towards the beginning of the movie as implying that Ellie took off her clothes during the part of the movie where Carl and Ellie were both kids. I'm not myself certain whether the line was [[Accidental Innuendo]] or [[Getting Crap Past the Radar]], but in either case it's very clear that Ellie was actually referring to something else, and I see no reason why I should assume that the writers intended [[Getting Crap Past the Radar]].
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** I always saw it as more symbolic; you could say that their dream of going to Paradise Falls was "shattered" each time they had to delve into the savings.
 
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