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This trope is the reverse of the virgin as portrayed in classical literature. In ancient myths, virgins were often dedicated to some higher purpose. They were supposed to be above such things as lust and passion, upheld as an example that people should strive to follow... and if they fell from this pedestal, boy, did they fall hard. Just ask the goddess Artemis' attendants; if they gave in to the pleasures of the flesh, there was a world of hurt in store when the Boss Lady found out.
 
But sometime in the 20th century, there has been a sharp reversal. Virginity no longer guarantees [[Virgin Power]] or some higher knowledge; in fact, it often indicates the opposite. Many contemporary characters who are still virgins over the age of consent will be [[The Ditz]]. The men will be shy to the point of social ineptitude—orineptitude — or so desperate to [[A Man Is Not a Virgin|prove their manhood]] that they make idiots of themselves. By contrast, female virgins are usually portrayed as hopelessly dim, both in terms of intelligence and social skills. At best, such characters may be good at their jobs and/or book smart, but naive to the point of ignorance (remember, this trope often overlaps with [[The Ingenue]]).
 
On the upside, these characters will seldom be downright nasty. While some virgins are inept-but-harmless, most are examples of [[Dumb Is Good]]. They're usually [[Nice Guy|sweet-natured and kind]] - you just wouldn't want them on your quiz team. In fact, their pleasant demeanor is one of the qualities that makes the opposite sex ([[Even the Guys Want Him|and sometimes the same sex]]) ''[[Nature Adores a Virgin|want]]'' to sleep with them, whether it's because they appreciate these nice qualities... [[Forbidden Fruit|or because they can't resist the challenge of deflowering an "innocent"]].
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The [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]] in this case seems to be that in order to understand how people work, you have to have slept with someone. Clearly, basic common sense, body language, and the word "no" are a poor defense against [[Manipulative Bastard|manipulative bastards]] with a sex drive. To be fair, generally the (former) virgin's goodness will transform their [[All Girls Want Bad Boys|pursuer]] into a [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold]]... but probably not before they've slept together.
 
Rather than being shamed or punished for losing their virginity, a character is promoted. Their [[Sex as Rite-Ofof-Passage|sexual initiation]] will [[Epiphany Therapy|magically solve all of their personality "problems"]] and they will usually become more capable, [[Rounded Character|rounded characters]].
 
There are many possible explanations for this trope. It may be part of a larger trend where ''[[Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids|''any]]'' [[Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids|form of innocence or optimism is interpreted as foolish]]. Perhaps it's inconcievableinconceivable to a sex-orientated media that anyone with half a brain would choose not to have sex. Or maybe a lack of carnal knowledge was taken to mean [[Miss Conception|a lack of knowledge of carnal matters]] and then extended to any general knowledge as well.
 
See also: [[My Girl Is Not a Slut]], [[A Man Is Not a Virgin]]. In the context of musical theatre, this character will ALWAYS be [[The Soprano]] or a [[Tenor Boy]] (frequently called a "dolt-boy"). Compare [[Innocent Bigot]] and [[Innocently Insensitive]]; contrast [[Virgin Power]]. Exceptions to the "nice-but-dim" virgin rule occur when there is a [[Chaste Hero]] or [[Amazon Brigade]] running the show - even then, expect their virginity to be challenged (and more likely than not, relinquished) at some point in the plot.
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== Anime &and Manga ==
* In the anime version of ''[[Valkyria Chronicles]]'', this was reasonably inferred from the game about the protagonist Welkin Gunther, but the anime goes on to show that if Welkin has a fault aside from being a little too much of a [[Nice Guy]], it's this trope. In college, he had a chance to get married to the most sought after girl in school, and he friend zoned her almost immediately, and his best friend (who also hit on the same woman) blatantly lampshades it. By present day, it's obvious Alicia Melchiott has feelings for him, but Welkin repeats history to the point Faldio not only starts hitting Alicia himself, but in his frustration over Welkin's use of this trope he throws down the gauntlet in Episode 12 and tells Welkin he has feelings for Alicia himself as a [[Batman Gambit]] to get Welkin to grow a spine and sex drive and see Alicia as a woman. Thankfully, by the end of the game and anime, he wises up.
* ''[[Ah! My Goddess|]]'': Belldandy, oh Belldandy]]. She can live fighting demons and impeding doom and usually be the most competent character in the series, but was completely sheltered from damaging knowledge such as the fact that guys have penises and that lovers usually kiss. Her most blatant example of this may have been when [[Jerkass|Aoshima]] tricked her into coming with him into a love hotel. She recognized the decor—because Urd had earlier done up Keiichi's room in the same style—but still didn't seem to have any idea of Aoshima's intentions until [[Attempted Rape|he grabbed her and shoved her down on the bed]]. At time she has shown more initiative in terms of her relationship with Keiichi and has even kissed him [[Dude, She's Like, in a Coma|while he's been asleep]], but she also seems to be both ignorant and terrified of sexuality.
** Not to mention naive, like when they were at the hot springs and she thought Marller injured him because he was covering himself up, totally unaware that he was embarrassed at being nude. Or when the two of them were at a love motel during an Urd-created rainstorm and while Keiichi was wondering if she was ready for sex, Belldandy was completely unaware of where they were, she was only focused on the rain.
* Inverted in ''[[Hellsing]]'' with Sir Integra, holder of "100% virgin blood", yet portrayed as intelligent, highly competent, downright badass and ruthless.
** There's also Seras. She's pretty innocent and sweet, [[Berserk Button|until you push the right button, that is]]. Her virginity is also the reason she was able to be [[First-Episode Resurrection|revived as a vampire by Alucard]].
* Inverted a little too far by ''[[Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex]] 2nd Gig''. The amoral [[Chessmaster]] [[Big Bad]] {{spoiler|Gohda}} reveals he's actually a virgin. {{spoiler|He used virginity as the final necessary trigger for activating the Individual Eleven virus in a subject, since the trigger for the virus was having been a virgin before switching to cybernetic body, and besides a cyber brain Gohda is still a flesh and blood human.}}
* A rare male example is Sagara Sousuke from ''[[Full Metal Panic!]]''. He is ''[[Chaste Hero|''very]]'' [[Chaste Hero|obviously a virgin]], and... he is ''incredibly'' stupid when it comes to relationships, being socially inept. However, he is extremely competent when it comes to military combat, and is a teen genius when it comes to handling the [[Humongous Mecha]] AS. In fact, it's even [[Lampshaded]] in-series by [[Chivalrous Pervert|Kurz]], who calls Sousuke numerous times as being a "gutless, stupid virgin" - something which Sousuke [[Chaste Hero|only vaguely understands as probably being an insult]].
** He thinks a condom is used to hold a backup water supply!
*** One assumes that he knows what the intended use is, but the reason he carries one is for this utility. He doesn't care about the intended use.
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== Film ==
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** Subverted in one of [[Alan Dean Foster]]'s Spellsinger books - it doesn't work, because the unicorn in question is both gay and apparently not too enchanted with humans.
*** Also, the human girl they attempted to use to summon the unicorn was a streetwise orphan who was definitely not stupid.
** Terry Jones of the [[Monty Python's Flying Circus|Pythons]] related, in a book on medieval folklore, his surprise in finding that the pure virgin/unicorn thing was a sort of Forgotten Trope /punchline. The joke being you send a mythical creature to FIND''find'' a mythical creature. The joke has been repeatedly reinvented since; see, for instance, the conversation between the monster-hunters in ''[[Discworld/Guards! Guards!|Guards! Guards!]]''
** Subverted with the [[Animesque|manga-esque]] series ''Tales of the Dark Forest''. Virgins ''have'' to be smart, so they can outwit and kill the unicorns they stay virgins in order to hunt. The reason it's a subversion is that the first virgin we see in the series is used for unicorn bait, and [[Who Would Be Stupid Enough...?|really is that naively stupid]] at least until she's on the run with and apprenticed to a ''real'' unicorn huntress. Then again, she did arrange for said huntress' deflowering beforehand.
** T.H. White's ''[[The Once and Future King]]'' has Gawaine and his brothers, while children, pull a servant girl from the kitchen to use as bait to catch a unicorn. It works, but Agravaine ends up killing the unicorn because of his... [[Freud Was Right|issues with his mother]].
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* This must be a thing in the Arthurian mythos. The prologue to ''[[The Mists of Avalon]]'' implies this. As Morgaine considers the Blessed Virgin Mary as a possible aspect of the Goddess, she dismisses the idea with "What does a virgin know of the sufferings of mankind?"
 
== Live -Action TV ==
 
== Live Action TV ==
* Quite a lot of Hispanic [[Soap Opera]]s do this regularly, because of all the drama you can milk from the habitual consequences of sex in countries which are mostly Catholic, and I'm not talking about pregnancy. Strangely, this applies even if the ''[[Official Couple]]'' marries (but only if they do that in the middle of the story).
** Played with to great effect in "''[[Yo Soy Betty, la Fea]]''": given her awful appearance, her social awkwardness, her nerdiness and her heroine status, you couldn't suspect she wasn't a virgin anymore... until she confesses to her romantic interest after their first night together that her first time was with a boyfriend who only did her because of a bet, and the experience left her so hurt [[Noodle Incident|she preferred not to talk about it]]. Too bad [[Finding Judas|she didn't learn the lesson then]].
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* In the family sitcom ''[[Step by Step]]'' cousin Cody, while not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, is portrayed as hip, cool, easygoing, popular—and a virgin. And on two different episodes people come to grief who try to jerk his chain about it—or worse, jerk one of his cousins' chains about being a virgin as well. Though dumb and a [[Cloudcuckoolander]], he definitely comes off as being cooler for it... so, subversion, inversion, aversion?...
 
== TheaterTheatre ==
 
== Theater ==
* Paul Rudnick's ''[[I Hate Hamlet]]'' includes a 29-year-old virgin, who while not an idiot, is incredibly childish and idealistic. Her boyfriend calls her "the victim of a relentlessly happy childhood, which she fully expects to continue." Eventually, a lascivious ghost helps her realize her desires, and she and her boyfriend, well...
 
 
== Video Games ==
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* The PG version of the ''Vesperia'' example occurs in ''[[Breath of Fire II]]''. [[Ms. Fanservice|Katt]] is [[Dumb Muscle]]. [[The Ingenue|Nina]] is [[The Smart Girl]]. [[Double Subverted]] with [[Really Seven Hundred Years Old|Deis]]/[[Dub Name Change|Bleu]]; the [[Really Seven Hundred Years Old]] [[Lady of Black Magic]] who is more than a little bit of a tease. [[Naked First Impression|Especially more so in the third game]].
 
== Web Comics ==
 
== Webcomics ==
* Jessica in ''[[Loserz]]''. See [http://the-qlc.com/loserz/go/435 this strip] (and the following ones). She eventually gets over the first part... which leads to her [[Coming Out Story|getting over the second part.]]
* Subverted so very hard in ''[[Shortpacked]]'', where the shy and (comparatively) sweet one has "''never'' been the virgin", while the most sex-crazed of the lot never ''quite'' managed to get all the way.
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* Played straight and subverted at the same time with Norman Gates from ''[[Poisoned Minds]]'', [http://www.poisonedminds.com/d/20020208.html as told in this strip.] He's a dumb brute, but certianly not innocent. He just seems to genuinely lack those particular cravings, being busy spreading chaos and destruction instead.
* Matt of ''[[Concession]]'' almost seems to gain 20 IQ points after hooking up with Joel. Most likely related to how badly [[Transparent Closet|closeted he was]] before then.
 
 
== Web Original ==
* [[The Nostalgia Chick|"Fucking virgins, man.]] [[Hocus Pocus|Why do we even have them?"]]
 
 
== Western Animation ==
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* In the second episode of ''[[Drawn Together]]'', [[Everything's Better with Princesses|Princess Clara]] is revealed to be not only a virgin, but hopelessly naive and ignorant about sex, a fact which the [[Really Gets Around|oversexed]] [[Sassy Black Woman|Foxxy Love]] is completely unable to grasp.
{{quote|"It turned out that the princess didn't know a damn thing about sex -- how does she get guys to pay her rent?"}}
 
 
== Real Life ==
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