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* A REAL ''[[Codename Kids Next Door (Animation)|Codename Kids Next Door]]'' wallbanger would be Nigel staying in a relationship with Lizzie past her introduction, which involved her ''mind-controlling him to DESTROY his friends'' so that they could have time together. [[Easily Forgiven]] indeed!
* A REAL ''[[Codename Kids Next Door (Animation)|Codename Kids Next Door]]'' wallbanger would be Nigel staying in a relationship with Lizzie past her introduction, which involved her ''mind-controlling him to DESTROY his friends'' so that they could have time together. [[Easily Forgiven]] indeed!
* An even bigger wallbanger? She acts like the biggest [[Spoiled Brat|completely spoiled]] [[Clingy Jealous Girl|whiny jealous kid]] throughout the entire series. Two particularly cranium-bashing examples are when the KND are trying to save recess and when Lizzie breaks up with Nigel. In the first one, Nigel gives a [[Rousing Speech]] about how kids should have the right to be able to go outside and be free to play and, well, be kids. Lizzie is moved to tears...because she thinks Nigel has decided to give up on his "silly" mission to have a "romantic dinner" with her. In the latter example, she breaks up with Nigel because he's not a "good enough" boyfriend for her because he's always off on missions (Oh, and we're supposed to feel sorry for her). No....just no. Numbah One is often risking his ''life'' for the sake of other kids, and yet we're supposed to feel bad for Lizzie just because he's ''not'' the boyfriend she wanted? Again, '''[[Big No|NO!]]''' If Lizzie wanted Nigel to stop being in the KND for his own safety, that would be one thing (As any boyfriend/girlfriend of someone with a very dangerous job can agree with that sentiment). But, being a whiny [[Jerkass]] towards him just because he's not dedicating his very being into being your "perfect boyfriend"? You don't deserve ''anyone'', much less Nigel Uno.
* An even bigger wallbanger? She acts like the biggest [[Spoiled Brat|completely spoiled]] [[Clingy Jealous Girl|whiny jealous kid]] throughout the entire series. Two particularly cranium-bashing examples are when the KND are trying to save recess and when Lizzie breaks up with Nigel. In the first one, Nigel gives a [[Rousing Speech]] about how kids should have the right to be able to go outside and be free to play and, well, be kids. Lizzie is moved to tears...because she thinks Nigel has decided to give up on his "silly" mission to have a "romantic dinner" with her. In the latter example, she breaks up with Nigel because he's not a "good enough" boyfriend for her because he's always off on missions (Oh, and we're supposed to feel sorry for her). No....just no. Numbah One is often risking his ''life'' for the sake of other kids, and yet we're supposed to feel bad for Lizzie just because he's ''not'' the boyfriend she wanted? Again, '''[[Big No|NO!]]''' If Lizzie wanted Nigel to stop being in the KND for his own safety, that would be one thing (As any boyfriend/girlfriend of someone with a very dangerous job can agree with that sentiment). But, being a whiny [[Jerkass]] towards him just because he's not dedicating his very being into being your "perfect boyfriend"? You don't deserve ''anyone'', much less Nigel Uno.
* The episode where Numbuh 4's family are sent to live on the {{spoiler|fake}} moon. Basically, in that episode it's revealed that the Apollo Moon Landing missions were faked because the KND can't let adults know about their Moon Base. Okay, this show does have a [[Conspiracy Kitchen Sink]], but there are two problems with this. One is that the evil adults already know about the existence of the Moon Base so all they're doing is preventing the progress of humanity, as benign adults are the ones interested in space travel, which would ''also benefit children'', and also, the more extreme problem is that it's explained that the Kids Next Door created a fake moon on Earth that they somehow managed not only to redirect all the rockets towards, but ''every single adult in both the American and Soviet space programs fell for it without question''. This is despite the fact that the astronauts' radio transmissions would have given the location away. Then, once Numbuh 4 wants to rejoin his friends, the higher-ups engineer an "alien invasion" consisting of broomsticks with buckets on top, [[Too Dumb to Live|which the adults mistake for real aliens]], so the adult space program decides to [[Deus Ex Nukina|nuke the moon]]. What happens next is possibly [[Dethroning Moment of Suck (Darth Wiki)|the absolute lowest point in the series]]. The Kids Next Door destroy their fake moon site (after everyone is evacuated, of course) and then send a fake video to the adult space program which consists of a ''live action clip of Numbuh 3 popping a balloon''. And the adults ''[[Beyond the Impossible|believe the balloon is the real moon.]]'' I know that this series has one of the strongest [[Extra Strength Masquerade|Extra Strength Masquerades]] in existence, but ''come on''.
* The episode where Numbuh 4's family are sent to live on the {{spoiler|fake}} moon. Basically, in that episode it's revealed that the Apollo Moon Landing missions were faked because the KND can't let adults know about their Moon Base. Okay, this show does have a [[Conspiracy Kitchen Sink]], but there are two problems with this. One is that the evil adults already know about the existence of the Moon Base so all they're doing is preventing the progress of humanity, as benign adults are the ones interested in space travel, which would ''also benefit children'', and also, the more extreme problem is that it's explained that the Kids Next Door created a fake moon on Earth that they somehow managed not only to redirect all the rockets towards, but ''every single adult in both the American and Soviet space programs fell for it without question''. This is despite the fact that the astronauts' radio transmissions would have given the location away. Then, once Numbuh 4 wants to rejoin his friends, the higher-ups engineer an "alien invasion" consisting of broomsticks with buckets on top, [[Too Dumb to Live|which the adults mistake for real aliens]], so the adult space program decides to [[Deus Ex Nukina|nuke the moon]]. What happens next is possibly [[Dethroning Moment of Suck (Darth Wiki)|the absolute lowest point in the series]]. The Kids Next Door destroy their fake moon site (after everyone is evacuated, of course) and then send a fake video to the adult space program which consists of a ''live action clip of Numbuh 3 popping a balloon''. And the adults ''[[Beyond the Impossible|believe the balloon is the real moon.]]'' I know that this series has one of the strongest [[Extra-Strength Masquerade|Extra Strength Masquerades]] in existence, but ''come on''.
** There's also the bit of [[Fridge Logic]] that suggests that since they don't want adults to know about the moon base, they must have no idea what a telescope does.
** There's also the bit of [[Fridge Logic]] that suggests that since they don't want adults to know about the moon base, they must have no idea what a telescope does.
* The end of Heinrich's ongoing story was most likely slapped together because the series was ending. That's the only explanation for how lousy it was. The cause of the feud between Numbah 5 and Heinrich as revealed to be because Heinrich didn't listen to Abigail when she warned him about eating magic caramel. Only, the truth is really "her" and "Henrietta". They did this so abruptly to Heinrich, it couldn't not be this.
* The end of Heinrich's ongoing story was most likely slapped together because the series was ending. That's the only explanation for how lousy it was. The cause of the feud between Numbah 5 and Heinrich as revealed to be because Heinrich didn't listen to Abigail when she warned him about eating magic caramel. Only, the truth is really "her" and "Henrietta". They did this so abruptly to Heinrich, it couldn't not be this.
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* ''[[The Secret of NIMH (Film)|The Secret of NIMH]] 2'', a [[Lighter and Softer]] direct-to-video sequel made without [[Don Bluth]]'s input, has a whole slew of these, both in itself and relating to the original film. In the original film, the Rats help Mrs. Brisby save Timothy because they owe Jonathan. In this film, it is stated outright that Timothy has been ''prophesied'' to save Thorn Valley and the Rats. Bonus demerits because it's a [[Self-Fulfilling Prophecy|self-fulfilling one]].
* ''[[The Secret of NIMH (Film)|The Secret of NIMH]] 2'', a [[Lighter and Softer]] direct-to-video sequel made without [[Don Bluth]]'s input, has a whole slew of these, both in itself and relating to the original film. In the original film, the Rats help Mrs. Brisby save Timothy because they owe Jonathan. In this film, it is stated outright that Timothy has been ''prophesied'' to save Thorn Valley and the Rats. Bonus demerits because it's a [[Self-Fulfilling Prophecy|self-fulfilling one]].
* The colony of Thorn Valley, a major plot point in the first film, is finally shown. It's a foolishly massive construct complete with concentric irrigation rings and very tall buildings. If the rats were trying to craft a colony invisible to human eyes, then they failed miserably. The rats still make trips into the conveniently close city to steal garbage despite their setting up Thorn Valley to get rid of their dependence on humans.
* The colony of Thorn Valley, a major plot point in the first film, is finally shown. It's a foolishly massive construct complete with concentric irrigation rings and very tall buildings. If the rats were trying to craft a colony invisible to human eyes, then they failed miserably. The rats still make trips into the conveniently close city to steal garbage despite their setting up Thorn Valley to get rid of their dependence on humans.
* The directions to Thorn Valley are "South by south by south.", the directional equivalent of [[Five Five Five]]. These directions don't make geographical sense, and that becomes painful when these directions become an important plot point.
* The directions to Thorn Valley are "South by south by south.", the directional equivalent of [[555]]. These directions don't make geographical sense, and that becomes painful when these directions become an important plot point.
* The escape of a Mouse of NIMH, who is the daughter of two Mice who failed to escape. (They figure out who she is when she gives her last name.) The survival of the Mice is explained (we should be used to animated filmmakers ignoring exhaust fans); but how this one escaped isn't... well, how she escaped her cage -- we see her walk out the front door of NIMH in the flashback, which is itself a problem. We also don't know how she got anywhere near Thorn Valley. Anyhow, what explanation she did give made it sound like Mice were staying at NIMH ''voluntarily''.
* The escape of a Mouse of NIMH, who is the daughter of two Mice who failed to escape. (They figure out who she is when she gives her last name.) The survival of the Mice is explained (we should be used to animated filmmakers ignoring exhaust fans); but how this one escaped isn't... well, how she escaped her cage -- we see her walk out the front door of NIMH in the flashback, which is itself a problem. We also don't know how she got anywhere near Thorn Valley. Anyhow, what explanation she did give made it sound like Mice were staying at NIMH ''voluntarily''.
** The explanation for the Mice not escaping NIMH was that they were forced to hide in the basement to recover from injuries falling down the vent. By the time they were able to leave, the scientists found them again. There's no explanation why only one of the mice tried to escape using the "South by South by South" directions though.
** The explanation for the Mice not escaping NIMH was that they were forced to hide in the basement to recover from injuries falling down the vent. By the time they were able to leave, the scientists found them again. There's no explanation why only one of the mice tried to escape using the "South by South by South" directions though.
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** You think that's bad? It's NOTHING compared to how horribly the town treated Bart in the "The Boy Of Bummer" (or as CBG says, "Worst episode ever!") [[Disproportionate Retribution|they relentlessly and cruelly tortured him JUST BECAUSE HE MISSED HITTING A HOME RUN IN A GODDAMN BASEBALL GAME!!!!!!]] They even yell at Bart when he ends up in the hospital after he JUMPS OFF A BUILDING!!! (though Chief Wiggum told him to jump off in the first place) That episode is without a doubt the absolute lowest point in the entire series.
** You think that's bad? It's NOTHING compared to how horribly the town treated Bart in the "The Boy Of Bummer" (or as CBG says, "Worst episode ever!") [[Disproportionate Retribution|they relentlessly and cruelly tortured him JUST BECAUSE HE MISSED HITTING A HOME RUN IN A GODDAMN BASEBALL GAME!!!!!!]] They even yell at Bart when he ends up in the hospital after he JUMPS OFF A BUILDING!!! (though Chief Wiggum told him to jump off in the first place) That episode is without a doubt the absolute lowest point in the entire series.
*** True, but soon every person in the entire town apologizes after Marge scolds them for being so inhuman, and they actually decide to restage the game until Bart wins to make him feel better. They truly were jerks, but at least they tried to make up for being so uncaring.
*** True, but soon every person in the entire town apologizes after Marge scolds them for being so inhuman, and they actually decide to restage the game until Bart wins to make him feel better. They truly were jerks, but at least they tried to make up for being so uncaring.
* The "ending" to "Missionary Impossible". Was it REALLY that difficult for the writers to come up with an actual ending instead of a [[No Ending]] cop-out with a dig against ''[[Family Guy (Animation)|Family Guy]]'' disappearing from the airwaves (it did, but it got [[Un Canceled]] just as quick), and a lame fourth-wall joke about ''The Simpsons'' "saving" FOX?
* The "ending" to "Missionary Impossible". Was it REALLY that difficult for the writers to come up with an actual ending instead of a [[No Ending]] cop-out with a dig against ''[[Family Guy (Animation)|Family Guy]]'' disappearing from the airwaves (it did, but it got [[Uncanceled]] just as quick), and a lame fourth-wall joke about ''The Simpsons'' "saving" FOX?
* "Homer's Night Out": Marge throws Homer out of the house because he danced with Princess Kashmir (the stripper) was seen as a bad influence to Bart. Homer didn't rape her or sexually harass her (like he mistakenly did to that babysitter on "Homer Badman") -- he ''danced'' with her. And Bart didn't begin treating the girls at school (or even his own sisters) like sex objects, so why would Marge cite that as her reason why she's angry with Homer over dancing with a stripper (unless she's one of those people who believes that a mere cheesecake photograph of a sexy woman is considered objectification -- and there are people like that who exist)? If she had just said that she was embarrassed by his antics and she felt insecure that Homer would find another woman more attractive than his own wife, then it would have been more believable. [[Hypocritical Humor|What's worse is that the next episode shows Marge nearly cheating on her husband with a French bowler]], [[Disproportionate Retribution|all because he gave her a bowling ball as a birthday present]]. Seriously, [[Early Installment Weirdness|what the hell was wrong with]] ''[[The Simpsons (Animation)|The Simpsons]]'' [[Early Installment Weirdness|in its early days]]?
* "Homer's Night Out": Marge throws Homer out of the house because he danced with Princess Kashmir (the stripper) was seen as a bad influence to Bart. Homer didn't rape her or sexually harass her (like he mistakenly did to that babysitter on "Homer Badman") -- he ''danced'' with her. And Bart didn't begin treating the girls at school (or even his own sisters) like sex objects, so why would Marge cite that as her reason why she's angry with Homer over dancing with a stripper (unless she's one of those people who believes that a mere cheesecake photograph of a sexy woman is considered objectification -- and there are people like that who exist)? If she had just said that she was embarrassed by his antics and she felt insecure that Homer would find another woman more attractive than his own wife, then it would have been more believable. [[Hypocritical Humor|What's worse is that the next episode shows Marge nearly cheating on her husband with a French bowler]], [[Disproportionate Retribution|all because he gave her a bowling ball as a birthday present]]. Seriously, [[Early Installment Weirdness|what the hell was wrong with]] ''[[The Simpsons (Animation)|The Simpsons]]'' [[Early Installment Weirdness|in its early days]]?
** To be fair, there's probably not ''many'' wives or mothers who would be particularly impressed with their husband getting caught and photographed dancing with a stripper ''by their ten-year-old son''. Even with rape and overt sexual harassment out of the picture (and one would hope Marge would be ''more'' upset than she was with these involved), you don't have to be a hyper-repressed prude terrified of sexuality to wonder whether that's setting the best possible example you can for the boy with regards to the whole 'women-as-objects' thing. As for the bowling ball example, that's clearly established as being the tip of an iceberg of selfish behaviour on Homer's part, not least an ongoing tendency to both forget her birthday ''and'' then selfishly buy something for himself under the pretext of getting her something. She not contemplating cheating on Homer in that episode just because he bought her a bowling ball (although let's face it, that's still an incredibly selfish thing for him to do), she's doing so because ''she feels taken-for-granted and ignored by him'' -- perhaps not the best reasons for adultery, but not quite as trivial as made out above either.
** To be fair, there's probably not ''many'' wives or mothers who would be particularly impressed with their husband getting caught and photographed dancing with a stripper ''by their ten-year-old son''. Even with rape and overt sexual harassment out of the picture (and one would hope Marge would be ''more'' upset than she was with these involved), you don't have to be a hyper-repressed prude terrified of sexuality to wonder whether that's setting the best possible example you can for the boy with regards to the whole 'women-as-objects' thing. As for the bowling ball example, that's clearly established as being the tip of an iceberg of selfish behaviour on Homer's part, not least an ongoing tendency to both forget her birthday ''and'' then selfishly buy something for himself under the pretext of getting her something. She not contemplating cheating on Homer in that episode just because he bought her a bowling ball (although let's face it, that's still an incredibly selfish thing for him to do), she's doing so because ''she feels taken-for-granted and ignored by him'' -- perhaps not the best reasons for adultery, but not quite as trivial as made out above either.
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**** Okay, let's put all those arguments aside for a second and focus on something else. Burns ''didn't know'' he was doing something that could be (and is) seen as something evil. He genuinely believed it to be the next step in recycling. He didn't even think it was an "ends justify the means" situation, but rather, he wholeheartedly thought that the means were an act of good. Even if it ''is'' an evil act, that didn't make Burns himself evil in that situation. It made him misguided at worst. But no, the writers have to make it so that Lisa is a [[Soapbox Sadie]] [[Canon Sue]].
**** Okay, let's put all those arguments aside for a second and focus on something else. Burns ''didn't know'' he was doing something that could be (and is) seen as something evil. He genuinely believed it to be the next step in recycling. He didn't even think it was an "ends justify the means" situation, but rather, he wholeheartedly thought that the means were an act of good. Even if it ''is'' an evil act, that didn't make Burns himself evil in that situation. It made him misguided at worst. But no, the writers have to make it so that Lisa is a [[Soapbox Sadie]] [[Canon Sue]].
* In the first segment of ''Treehouse of Horror XI'', Homer has 24 hours to do one good deed. He ''does'' manage to do one where he saves a baby from getting run over by cars, but SAINT PETER DIDN'T SEE THAT? They're supposed to see everything, including ''that!'' To add insult, he then tells Homer that it was really Santa Claus who saw everything, but ''not them too?'' Then he sends Homer to hell just because ''he did not see that good deed, making it not count by default.''
* In the first segment of ''Treehouse of Horror XI'', Homer has 24 hours to do one good deed. He ''does'' manage to do one where he saves a baby from getting run over by cars, but SAINT PETER DIDN'T SEE THAT? They're supposed to see everything, including ''that!'' To add insult, he then tells Homer that it was really Santa Claus who saw everything, but ''not them too?'' Then he sends Homer to hell just because ''he did not see that good deed, making it not count by default.''
* "That 90's Show" quickly became infamous for [[Retcon|utterly shattering]] ''decades of continuity'' just for the sake of a [[Whole Episode Flashback]].
* "That 90's Show" quickly became infamous for [[Retcon|utterly shattering]] ''decades of continuity'' just for the sake of a [[Whole-Episode Flashback]].
* Ok, so I think we all can agree that the writers love to make Homer always in the wrong even when it makes no sense, like in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?". Homer just met his half-brother Herbert, and after knowing him for less than a day Herbert decides to let Homer design a car that is supposed to save his company that is in his own words "everyday losing ground to the Japanese". Of course when this fails and his company goes bankrupt Herbert blames Homer and even in the episode he returns Lisa comments on how Homer "ruined him". [[Blatant Lies|He is totally right too]], [[Sarcasm Mode|it's Homer's fault Herb decided to put the future of his struggling company on the back of a man whom he actually ''admitted'' was nothing special (even after Homer told him about feeling doubtful about being the man for the job), it's Homer's fault Herb ignored his employee's warnings and fears and it's also Homer's fault that Herb decided that looking at the product his own company was making and what was supposed to turn it around BEFORE the debut to the general public was not worth his time.]] Seriously, Homer didn't sell himself as something he isn't, and he did the best he could at a task that frankly most normal people would fail at, but clearly to the writers not being able to produce a product designed to make millions and/or billions with zero prior experience makes you a moron.
* Ok, so I think we all can agree that the writers love to make Homer always in the wrong even when it makes no sense, like in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?". Homer just met his half-brother Herbert, and after knowing him for less than a day Herbert decides to let Homer design a car that is supposed to save his company that is in his own words "everyday losing ground to the Japanese". Of course when this fails and his company goes bankrupt Herbert blames Homer and even in the episode he returns Lisa comments on how Homer "ruined him". [[Blatant Lies|He is totally right too]], [[Sarcasm Mode|it's Homer's fault Herb decided to put the future of his struggling company on the back of a man whom he actually ''admitted'' was nothing special (even after Homer told him about feeling doubtful about being the man for the job), it's Homer's fault Herb ignored his employee's warnings and fears and it's also Homer's fault that Herb decided that looking at the product his own company was making and what was supposed to turn it around BEFORE the debut to the general public was not worth his time.]] Seriously, Homer didn't sell himself as something he isn't, and he did the best he could at a task that frankly most normal people would fail at, but clearly to the writers not being able to produce a product designed to make millions and/or billions with zero prior experience makes you a moron.
* The Thanksgiving episode. Ok, I'm not denying that Bart did a bad thing by destroying Lisa's centrepiece (even if it was an accident) and I accept that his parents have every right to be mad at him, but Marge telling him he's ruined Thanksgiving?! [[No Just No]]! Children may need discipline, but you do ''not'', under ''ANY'' circumstances, tell them they've ruined a special occasion! And it gets worse - instead of explaining to Bart why what he did was a bad thing and trying to make it better, Marge ''orders'' him to apologise, not even ''considering'' that, y'know, ''maybe he doesn't understand WHY he's being punished''! Granted, she regrets her actions when she learns that he ran away, but even so!
* The Thanksgiving episode. Ok, I'm not denying that Bart did a bad thing by destroying Lisa's centrepiece (even if it was an accident) and I accept that his parents have every right to be mad at him, but Marge telling him he's ruined Thanksgiving?! [[No Just No]]! Children may need discipline, but you do ''not'', under ''ANY'' circumstances, tell them they've ruined a special occasion! And it gets worse - instead of explaining to Bart why what he did was a bad thing and trying to make it better, Marge ''orders'' him to apologise, not even ''considering'' that, y'know, ''maybe he doesn't understand WHY he's being punished''! Granted, she regrets her actions when she learns that he ran away, but even so!
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* In season 3 Cad Bane manages to successfully fight off both Obi-Wan Kenobi and Quinlan Vos ''by using one of their own lightsabers and directly engaging them with it.'' There's Badass then there's [[Villain Sue]]. Even Jango Fett was only able to stay alive against Obi Wan and Mace Windu as long as he kept them away from their lightsabers.
* In season 3 Cad Bane manages to successfully fight off both Obi-Wan Kenobi and Quinlan Vos ''by using one of their own lightsabers and directly engaging them with it.'' There's Badass then there's [[Villain Sue]]. Even Jango Fett was only able to stay alive against Obi Wan and Mace Windu as long as he kept them away from their lightsabers.
** To be fair, Bane got in a total of like three swings before Obi-Wan disarmed him, and Bane's true shining moment is in hand to hand. This itself is a wallbanger, though; see above with force powers. Even if Jedi don't do the neck choke, there are at least five ways that battle could have been ended quickly and Bane captured. As always, the Jedi have to hold the [[Idiot Ball]] so they're not strong enough to beat Bane.
** To be fair, Bane got in a total of like three swings before Obi-Wan disarmed him, and Bane's true shining moment is in hand to hand. This itself is a wallbanger, though; see above with force powers. Even if Jedi don't do the neck choke, there are at least five ways that battle could have been ended quickly and Bane captured. As always, the Jedi have to hold the [[Idiot Ball]] so they're not strong enough to beat Bane.
* In the Mortis arc of ''[[Star Wars the Clone Wars (Animation)|Star Wars the Clone Wars]]'', Anakin meets the Son, a being who is basically the living embodiment of the Dark Side, complete with [[Red Eyes Take Warning|glowing red eyes]], [[Bald of Evil|visible lack of hair]], and [[Obviously Evil|entirely black clothing]]. Son shows Anakin the future (which naturally includes all of the evil he will inflict on the galaxy) and asks Anakin to join him in conquering the galaxy to prevent those evil things from happening. So, basically, he says "Turn to the Dark Side, so that you can prevent yourself from...turning to the Dark Side." And how does our hero, the almighty Chosen One, choose to counter such a [[Sarcasm Mode|compelling argument]] of such [[You Fail Logic Forever|flawless logic]]? He bites down on the [[Shmuck Bait]], ''hard'', and goes completely over to the Dark Side. [[Good Is Dumb|Good really is dumb, isn't it?]]
* In the Mortis arc of ''[[Star Wars the Clone Wars (Animation)|Star Wars the Clone Wars]]'', Anakin meets the Son, a being who is basically the living embodiment of the Dark Side, complete with [[Red Eyes, Take Warning|glowing red eyes]], [[Bald of Evil|visible lack of hair]], and [[Obviously Evil|entirely black clothing]]. Son shows Anakin the future (which naturally includes all of the evil he will inflict on the galaxy) and asks Anakin to join him in conquering the galaxy to prevent those evil things from happening. So, basically, he says "Turn to the Dark Side, so that you can prevent yourself from...turning to the Dark Side." And how does our hero, the almighty Chosen One, choose to counter such a [[Sarcasm Mode|compelling argument]] of such [[You Fail Logic Forever|flawless logic]]? He bites down on the [[Shmuck Bait]], ''hard'', and goes completely over to the Dark Side. [[Good Is Dumb|Good really is dumb, isn't it?]]
** And then, the Father, living embodiment of the Force As A Whole, brings him [[Heel Face Revolving Door|right straight back to the Light Side again]], [[Easy Amnesia|with no memory of what happened]]. My ''God'' that plot twist was pointless...
** And then, the Father, living embodiment of the Force As A Whole, brings him [[Heel Face Revolving Door|right straight back to the Light Side again]], [[Easy Amnesia|with no memory of what happened]]. My ''God'' that plot twist was pointless...
** From the same episode, only this time, the [[Idiot Ball]] has been handed to the Daughter, [[Rule of Three|living embodiment]] of the Light Side. Get this; her brother is about to stab her father, and instead of, y'know, ''using the Force'' to pull the knife away from her brother, she [[Takes the Bullet]]. And dies. Thus leaving the Force in the care of her father, who is dying, and her brother, who is as dumb as she is and evil on top of that. ...If ''these'' are the people who are basically running the universe at large, is it ''any'' wonder that the Chosen One is an idiot? I mean, come on...
** From the same episode, only this time, the [[Idiot Ball]] has been handed to the Daughter, [[Rule of Three|living embodiment]] of the Light Side. Get this; her brother is about to stab her father, and instead of, y'know, ''using the Force'' to pull the knife away from her brother, she [[Takes the Bullet]]. And dies. Thus leaving the Force in the care of her father, who is dying, and her brother, who is as dumb as she is and evil on top of that. ...If ''these'' are the people who are basically running the universe at large, is it ''any'' wonder that the Chosen One is an idiot? I mean, come on...
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** Actually, I thought this was smart because it showed that she could fit into a group and still feel comfortable with her individuality.
** Actually, I thought this was smart because it showed that she could fit into a group and still feel comfortable with her individuality.
* ''[[Danny Phantom (Animation)|Danny Phantom]]'': the [[Laser-Guided Amnesia]] Danny induces at the end of "Reality Trip". All right, the use of the [[Reset Button]] was excusable, as was Danny destroying the reality Gauntlet; but ''mindwiping his parents'' was not. They had just made it clear that they love him regardless of his ghostly nature; Danny ''knew'' it would be this way if they ever found out; and they've tried to kill him once or twice without knowing he was their son. In short, there was ''no'' point in keeping his identity a secret from his family, and he knew it. But [[Status Quo Is God]]...
* ''[[Danny Phantom (Animation)|Danny Phantom]]'': the [[Laser-Guided Amnesia]] Danny induces at the end of "Reality Trip". All right, the use of the [[Reset Button]] was excusable, as was Danny destroying the reality Gauntlet; but ''mindwiping his parents'' was not. They had just made it clear that they love him regardless of his ghostly nature; Danny ''knew'' it would be this way if they ever found out; and they've tried to kill him once or twice without knowing he was their son. In short, there was ''no'' point in keeping his identity a secret from his family, and he knew it. But [[Status Quo Is God]]...
* The ''[[Skunk Fu]]'' episode "The Art of Art." Panda makes Skunk sculpt statues as one of his many [[Wax On Wax Off]] training regimens. Skunk manages to build them, but only by allowing the Ninja Monkeys to ambush him while he's near the marble, which somehow results in a flawless sculpture every time. The other animals are so impressed by Skunk's apparent skills that they ask him to make more sculptures, which he does in the same fashion. But the repeated battles and the injuries suffered therein soon take their toll on Skunk, nearly ''driving him insane.'' The clincher? Panda reveals at the end that he knew about the attacks all along. Way to go, Panda. Let your young student risk his life by allowing your mortal enemies to maul him on a regular basis.
* The ''[[Skunk Fu]]'' episode "The Art of Art." Panda makes Skunk sculpt statues as one of his many [[Wax On, Wax Off]] training regimens. Skunk manages to build them, but only by allowing the Ninja Monkeys to ambush him while he's near the marble, which somehow results in a flawless sculpture every time. The other animals are so impressed by Skunk's apparent skills that they ask him to make more sculptures, which he does in the same fashion. But the repeated battles and the injuries suffered therein soon take their toll on Skunk, nearly ''driving him insane.'' The clincher? Panda reveals at the end that he knew about the attacks all along. Way to go, Panda. Let your young student risk his life by allowing your mortal enemies to maul him on a regular basis.
** [[Fridge Logic|There's a lesson there somewhere...]]
** [[Fridge Logic|There's a lesson there somewhere...]]
** What's an even '''worse''' wallbanger is the reason Dragon is a villain in the first place. Apparently, he once had power over water as well as fire. Long story short, the valley was in a drought, and Dragon asked if he could make it rain to help the animals in the valley. So, what do the Heavens do? They are silent! Anyway, Dragon goes ahead and uses his powers to end the drought; this angers the Heavens, and they punish Dragon by removing his water-powers, which results in his [[Start of Darkness]]. Anyone else see what's wrong with this picture? The Heavens NEVER said that Dragon couldn't use his powers to save the valley. They didn't say anything at all!
** What's an even '''worse''' wallbanger is the reason Dragon is a villain in the first place. Apparently, he once had power over water as well as fire. Long story short, the valley was in a drought, and Dragon asked if he could make it rain to help the animals in the valley. So, what do the Heavens do? They are silent! Anyway, Dragon goes ahead and uses his powers to end the drought; this angers the Heavens, and they punish Dragon by removing his water-powers, which results in his [[Start of Darkness]]. Anyone else see what's wrong with this picture? The Heavens NEVER said that Dragon couldn't use his powers to save the valley. They didn't say anything at all!
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*** "Influential Uncle?" Who the hell is this guy that can make the ''[[By-The-Book Cop|Guardians]] [[Sufficiently Advanced Aliens|of Oa]]'' babysit his nephew, when they [[The Stoic|don't even break a sweat]] standing up to [[Sinestro]], [[Darkseid]], and [[Orphaned/Characters/GL Sinestro Corps|Parallax]] itself?
*** "Influential Uncle?" Who the hell is this guy that can make the ''[[By-The-Book Cop|Guardians]] [[Sufficiently Advanced Aliens|of Oa]]'' babysit his nephew, when they [[The Stoic|don't even break a sweat]] standing up to [[Sinestro]], [[Darkseid]], and [[Orphaned/Characters/GL Sinestro Corps|Parallax]] itself?
**** It was eventually revealed in the comics that G'Nort and his uncle were part of a fake GLC of morons designed to discredit the real Corps during a period when the Guardians were [[Put On a Bus|in another dimension.]] G'nort helps Guy stop the fake Lanterns, and is rewarded by being made a real GL...for a sector with no life in it that he can't endanger through his stupidity.
**** It was eventually revealed in the comics that G'Nort and his uncle were part of a fake GLC of morons designed to discredit the real Corps during a period when the Guardians were [[Put On a Bus|in another dimension.]] G'nort helps Guy stop the fake Lanterns, and is rewarded by being made a real GL...for a sector with no life in it that he can't endanger through his stupidity.
* For ''[[The Amazing Spiez (Animation)|The Amazing Spiez]]'' it's the Sunrise Tan episode when Jerry was [[Super Deformed|chibi'd]]. Words can't describe how improbable and ridiculous it is.
* For ''[[The Amazing Spiez (Animation)|The Amazing Spiez]]'' it's the Sunrise Tan episode when Jerry was [[Super-Deformed|chibi'd]]. Words can't describe how improbable and ridiculous it is.
** Please Elaborate.
** Please Elaborate.
* ''[[Captain N the Game Master (Animation)|Captain N the Game Master]]'', Kevin chooses to stay in the video-game world in the pilot as opposed to going home, NOT because they still need him, but because he ''hears his mother reminding him to get his homework done and take the trash out.''
* ''[[Captain N the Game Master (Animation)|Captain N the Game Master]]'', Kevin chooses to stay in the video-game world in the pilot as opposed to going home, NOT because they still need him, but because he ''hears his mother reminding him to get his homework done and take the trash out.''
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*** This was probably intended to be a more rational, less scare 'em straight alternative to the equally [[Wall Banger (Darth Wiki)|WallBanger-ish]] [[Too Smart for Strangers]] school of shows about strangers that were prevalent in the 80s, yet it apparently didn't occur to the writers that there might be a happy medium between the two approaches...
*** This was probably intended to be a more rational, less scare 'em straight alternative to the equally [[Wall Banger (Darth Wiki)|WallBanger-ish]] [[Too Smart for Strangers]] school of shows about strangers that were prevalent in the 80s, yet it apparently didn't occur to the writers that there might be a happy medium between the two approaches...
* What happened to Baxter Stockman in [[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1987 (Animation)|the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon]] in "Revenge of the Fly". In the episode, he's turned half the town into bug mutants and the only way to change them back is by using Shredder's Retromutagen Ray on them. All fine and dandy, but why didn't the turtles think to use it on Baxter Stockman, whose entire motivation for revenge on the turtles is the fact that he's a giant mutant fly and that he wants to be human again? Instead they kick Baxter into a dimension portal (that he's [[Idiot Ball|conveniently standing next to]]), wrestle the gun away from him, shut off the machine and strand him in another dimension, and then destroy the gun. [[What the Hell, Hero?]]?
* What happened to Baxter Stockman in [[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1987 (Animation)|the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon]] in "Revenge of the Fly". In the episode, he's turned half the town into bug mutants and the only way to change them back is by using Shredder's Retromutagen Ray on them. All fine and dandy, but why didn't the turtles think to use it on Baxter Stockman, whose entire motivation for revenge on the turtles is the fact that he's a giant mutant fly and that he wants to be human again? Instead they kick Baxter into a dimension portal (that he's [[Idiot Ball|conveniently standing next to]]), wrestle the gun away from him, shut off the machine and strand him in another dimension, and then destroy the gun. [[What the Hell, Hero?]]?
** It's simple, in the episode where Baxter gets turned into his current form, the transformation is a [[Shout Out]] to ''[[The Fly (Film)|The Fly]]'' and as such he ''can't'' be undone by the gun. Secondly even ''before'' his transformation he was shown as a crazy enemy, probably if given the chance the Turtles would've probably sent Shredder, Bebop, Rocksteady, and Krang in after him.
** It's simple, in the episode where Baxter gets turned into his current form, the transformation is a [[Shout-Out]] to ''[[The Fly (Film)|The Fly]]'' and as such he ''can't'' be undone by the gun. Secondly even ''before'' his transformation he was shown as a crazy enemy, probably if given the chance the Turtles would've probably sent Shredder, Bebop, Rocksteady, and Krang in after him.
** Actually, if I remember correctly, Baxter took the gun specifically to use it on himself and jumped into the portal ''voluntarily'' to get away from the Turtles; they jumped in after him and only had enough time to get the gun from him and escape before the portal closed. The banging doesn't end there, though. They destroy the gun after restoring the city to normal, which makes you wonder why they wouldn't use it on ''Splinter'' beforehand - until you remember that Splinter had long ago accepted and preferred his fate. So how in the world was the gun back in perfect working condition when they use it on the mutant rats in "Wrath of the Rat King?"
** Actually, if I remember correctly, Baxter took the gun specifically to use it on himself and jumped into the portal ''voluntarily'' to get away from the Turtles; they jumped in after him and only had enough time to get the gun from him and escape before the portal closed. The banging doesn't end there, though. They destroy the gun after restoring the city to normal, which makes you wonder why they wouldn't use it on ''Splinter'' beforehand - until you remember that Splinter had long ago accepted and preferred his fate. So how in the world was the gun back in perfect working condition when they use it on the mutant rats in "Wrath of the Rat King?"
* Gaia from ''[[Captain Planet and The Planeteers (Animation)|Captain Planet and The Planeteers]]'' and her obvious [[The Gods Must Be Lazy]] way of doing things. She sends five teenagers with magic rings out to deal with the villains with little more than a "I will be with you in spirit," and at no point do they adequately explore just what she is doing all the while that is more important than taking an active role in the missions. Yes, a couple of the badguys, specifically Greedly and Sludge, are total losers who the average 8-year-old child could easily thwart, but at least one of them was near-godlike in power and indeed was supposed to be Gaia's opposite number. Instead of getting off her divine ass and deal with this dude personally like any good goddess should, she pretty much leaves it to the kids as usual. Seriously?!
* Gaia from ''[[Captain Planet and The Planeteers (Animation)|Captain Planet and The Planeteers]]'' and her obvious [[The Gods Must Be Lazy]] way of doing things. She sends five teenagers with magic rings out to deal with the villains with little more than a "I will be with you in spirit," and at no point do they adequately explore just what she is doing all the while that is more important than taking an active role in the missions. Yes, a couple of the badguys, specifically Greedly and Sludge, are total losers who the average 8-year-old child could easily thwart, but at least one of them was near-godlike in power and indeed was supposed to be Gaia's opposite number. Instead of getting off her divine ass and deal with this dude personally like any good goddess should, she pretty much leaves it to the kids as usual. Seriously?!
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** You don't even have to look further than the pilot episode "The Long Goodbye Syndrome". To elaborate, K and J are sent to stop a Skraaldian multiplication in a sewer. Before going in, K hands J a special weapon ''without explaining him how to use it''. They find the Skraaldian (a bear-sized, bipedal, crab-like monster) which quickly overpowers K, and J, incapable of figuring how to use said weapon, decides to shoot the alien with his Noisy Cricket, killing it. Then, K nonchalantly explains that he really wasn’t in danger and now, J’s a wanted target for every other Skraaldian on their home planet Skraal. And since the Skraaldians have a hive mentality ''and'' are locked on to his DNA, it won't be easy for him to escape. From here, absolutely everybody treats J like a [[No Sympathy|dead man walking]] until the end, where K pulls a [[Batman Gambit]] to save J and end up like a hero, never mind the fact it was technically his fault this happened.
** You don't even have to look further than the pilot episode "The Long Goodbye Syndrome". To elaborate, K and J are sent to stop a Skraaldian multiplication in a sewer. Before going in, K hands J a special weapon ''without explaining him how to use it''. They find the Skraaldian (a bear-sized, bipedal, crab-like monster) which quickly overpowers K, and J, incapable of figuring how to use said weapon, decides to shoot the alien with his Noisy Cricket, killing it. Then, K nonchalantly explains that he really wasn’t in danger and now, J’s a wanted target for every other Skraaldian on their home planet Skraal. And since the Skraaldians have a hive mentality ''and'' are locked on to his DNA, it won't be easy for him to escape. From here, absolutely everybody treats J like a [[No Sympathy|dead man walking]] until the end, where K pulls a [[Batman Gambit]] to save J and end up like a hero, never mind the fact it was technically his fault this happened.
* [[Johnny Test]]: In the episode about the monster truck [[Exactly What It Says On the Tin|being an actual monster]], the Test girls had hamsters that always beat each other up. The girls didn't have any idea on what to do with the two, Johnny comes up with the solution to put a female hamster into their box. This was because the two males were trying to show dominance, and a female hamster ended it. The wall banger here is that the girls honestly didn't know about the female hamster, and that the male hamsters would fight with each other. [[Headscratchers|I mean, aren't they geniuses?]]
* [[Johnny Test]]: In the episode about the monster truck [[Exactly What It Says On the Tin|being an actual monster]], the Test girls had hamsters that always beat each other up. The girls didn't have any idea on what to do with the two, Johnny comes up with the solution to put a female hamster into their box. This was because the two males were trying to show dominance, and a female hamster ended it. The wall banger here is that the girls honestly didn't know about the female hamster, and that the male hamsters would fight with each other. [[Headscratchers|I mean, aren't they geniuses?]]
* ''[[The Cleveland Show (Animation)|The Cleveland Show]]'': The episode "Terry Unmarried". [[Seth Macfarlane]] and his crew showed that not all gay guys act like the [[Camp Gay|stereotype.]] Ok, cool. Cleveland realizes he's in a gay bar because of the presence of fat chicks. Sure, why not? Problem 1: Terry has never shown signs of being gay. In one episode he's a stripper for a female audience (and even has sex with a few of them). Problem 2: He says that he had sex with a lot of women and a few guys. They just say he's gay and not say... Oh what's it called, being attracted to both men and women.. '''BISEXUAL.''' So in every show you make, a man ([[Girl On Girl Is Hot|not women by the way]]) has to be either gay or straight, [[No Bisexuals|never bi]], right Seth and crew?!
* ''[[The Cleveland Show (Animation)|The Cleveland Show]]'': The episode "Terry Unmarried". [[Seth Macfarlane]] and his crew showed that not all gay guys act like the [[Camp Gay|stereotype.]] Ok, cool. Cleveland realizes he's in a gay bar because of the presence of fat chicks. Sure, why not? Problem 1: Terry has never shown signs of being gay. In one episode he's a stripper for a female audience (and even has sex with a few of them). Problem 2: He says that he had sex with a lot of women and a few guys. They just say he's gay and not say... Oh what's it called, being attracted to both men and women.. '''BISEXUAL.''' So in every show you make, a man ([[Girl-On-Girl Is Hot|not women by the way]]) has to be either gay or straight, [[No Bisexuals|never bi]], right Seth and crew?!
* Even ''[[South Park (Animation)|South Park]]'' is not immune to Wall-Banger moments. There's the fact an entire episode is dedicated to Wendy breaking up with Stan when the episode itself could have triggered ''after'' {{spoiler|Wendy kissed Cartman (to Stan's dismay)}}. Neither [[Negative Continuity]], [[Rule of Drama]], nor [[Rule of Funny]] even ''begin'' to justify this chronological discrepancy of when both episodes aired.
* Even ''[[South Park (Animation)|South Park]]'' is not immune to Wall-Banger moments. There's the fact an entire episode is dedicated to Wendy breaking up with Stan when the episode itself could have triggered ''after'' {{spoiler|Wendy kissed Cartman (to Stan's dismay)}}. Neither [[Negative Continuity]], [[Rule of Drama]], nor [[Rule of Funny]] even ''begin'' to justify this chronological discrepancy of when both episodes aired.
** In the episode "Crack Baby Athletic Association" they juxtapose college athletes with slaves explaining that other people make money off them and in return they get nothing. Seriously? I'd say that a full scholarship, a free ride through college, and a gateway to the professional leagues is a little more than nothing!
** In the episode "Crack Baby Athletic Association" they juxtapose college athletes with slaves explaining that other people make money off them and in return they get nothing. Seriously? I'd say that a full scholarship, a free ride through college, and a gateway to the professional leagues is a little more than nothing!
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* An episode of ''[[Babar (Literature)|Babar]]: The Adventures Of Badou'' has Badou and Monroe(?) saving Sleek (A wild black panther) from a poacher that wants to capture and sell her. Badou's reasoning is that nobody should be locked in a cage, not even Sleek. Um, Badou? I'm sure your heart was in the right place, but, aren't you forgetting something? Like maybe the fact that Sleek has been known to try to attack and kill '''anyone''' who enters her territory including you? Locking her up would be a ''good'' thing because then she wouldn't be able to go around attacking any innocent people that head into the jungle.
* An episode of ''[[Babar (Literature)|Babar]]: The Adventures Of Badou'' has Badou and Monroe(?) saving Sleek (A wild black panther) from a poacher that wants to capture and sell her. Badou's reasoning is that nobody should be locked in a cage, not even Sleek. Um, Badou? I'm sure your heart was in the right place, but, aren't you forgetting something? Like maybe the fact that Sleek has been known to try to attack and kill '''anyone''' who enters her territory including you? Locking her up would be a ''good'' thing because then she wouldn't be able to go around attacking any innocent people that head into the jungle.
* The first episode of ''[[The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (Animation)|Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes]]'' ("Breakout") contains one. The 4 top-security prisons for supervillains are located in a Desert (good), in a mountain range (good) shrunk and being transported in a hoverplane (why? Why not 'shrunk and in a top security facility?) and at the bottom of New York Harbour! Even worse, all it takes is a power cut to cause total failure of the security systems! And the Hoverplane was on a course that also took it past New York! Did the Authorities want to cause a major crisis for the civilian population as soon as anything went wrong?
* The first episode of ''[[The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (Animation)|Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes]]'' ("Breakout") contains one. The 4 top-security prisons for supervillains are located in a Desert (good), in a mountain range (good) shrunk and being transported in a hoverplane (why? Why not 'shrunk and in a top security facility?) and at the bottom of New York Harbour! Even worse, all it takes is a power cut to cause total failure of the security systems! And the Hoverplane was on a course that also took it past New York! Did the Authorities want to cause a major crisis for the civilian population as soon as anything went wrong?
* In ''[[Tom and Jerry (Animation)|Tom and Jerry]]'', the infamous episodes with a [[Shout Out]] plot to [[Baby's Day Out]]. The [[Dumb Blonde]] who was supposed to be babysitting Tom's owner's baby instead spends all night taking on the phone, completely unaware of the [[Badly-Battered Babysitter|trouble Tom and Jerry are going through to keep the infant from suffering a very messy, very early end]]. For all their trouble, what do they get? ''Arrested'', when the babysitter finally decides to be a babysitter and immediately assumes the cat and mouse kidnapped the child. The fact there is absolutely no tangible comeuppance for her drives many older fans up the wall.
* In ''[[Tom and Jerry (Animation)|Tom and Jerry]]'', the infamous episodes with a [[Shout-Out]] plot to [[Baby's Day Out]]. The [[Dumb Blonde]] who was supposed to be babysitting Tom's owner's baby instead spends all night taking on the phone, completely unaware of the [[Badly-Battered Babysitter|trouble Tom and Jerry are going through to keep the infant from suffering a very messy, very early end]]. For all their trouble, what do they get? ''Arrested'', when the babysitter finally decides to be a babysitter and immediately assumes the cat and mouse kidnapped the child. The fact there is absolutely no tangible comeuppance for her drives many older fans up the wall.
* One of the episodes from the 80s ''[[Alvin and The Chipmunks (Animation)|Alvin and The Chipmunks]]'' involved an [[It's a Wonderful Plot]] for Dave. (Basically, after feeling he's ruined the boys' day by dealing with a lemony car, flubbing a soccer game play, and having to break the news to Alvin that they can't go to summer camp, Dave feels depressed and feels that they'd be better off without him) The Wallbanger is in Simon's story. (Long story short, it's about a spelling bee he had in kindergarten, and Dave helped him when he felt he couldn't spell anything.) In the Daveless future, Simon can't spell anything, but here's the Wallbanger: At the spelling bee Simon is given the word: "Mississippi" (hard word for a five-year-old), but when Simon misspells it, EVERYONE STARTS LAUGHING AT POOR SIMON! Yes, you read right, the entire audience full of supposedly mature adults bursts out laughing at a kindergartner who just tried to spell a word that he shouldn't be able to until he's eight, and traumatizes the poor guy. That's just cruel.
* One of the episodes from the 80s ''[[Alvin and The Chipmunks (Animation)|Alvin and The Chipmunks]]'' involved an [[It's a Wonderful Plot]] for Dave. (Basically, after feeling he's ruined the boys' day by dealing with a lemony car, flubbing a soccer game play, and having to break the news to Alvin that they can't go to summer camp, Dave feels depressed and feels that they'd be better off without him) The Wallbanger is in Simon's story. (Long story short, it's about a spelling bee he had in kindergarten, and Dave helped him when he felt he couldn't spell anything.) In the Daveless future, Simon can't spell anything, but here's the Wallbanger: At the spelling bee Simon is given the word: "Mississippi" (hard word for a five-year-old), but when Simon misspells it, EVERYONE STARTS LAUGHING AT POOR SIMON! Yes, you read right, the entire audience full of supposedly mature adults bursts out laughing at a kindergartner who just tried to spell a word that he shouldn't be able to until he's eight, and traumatizes the poor guy. That's just cruel.
* ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]]'':
* ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]]'':
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