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== Chaos has already won ==
Think about it. They're gods of chaos, and [[Crapsack World|what place is more chaotic than the Warhammer 40k world?]] There's more than enough war to sate Khorne, scheming for Tzeentch, hubris for Slaanesh and Despair for Nurgle as it is, and it's basically a giant hell already. All the fighting is just the four chaos gods
* Jumping off that, the Imperium NEEDS Chaos. [[With Us or Against Us]] is pretty much the life and blood of the Imperium: if you're not with the Imperium you'll succumb to Chaos. Without the Warp and the mutations and other unfun things, the Imperium would eat itself alive in civil war. With nothing outside, the Imperial Guard, Space Marines and Imperial Inquisition would come to blows.
** Each Chaos God needs other Chaos Gods and the Imperium as well, because if Chaos should destroy the world and kill all sentient life, then it ceases to exist. So, they let much of the sentient life and the Imperium live, farming emotions and prayers from them.
* However, one can easily argue that Chaos has lost. Yes, there is lots of death and destruction, but it has been consistently death and destruction. None of the major factions besides the Tau (and to a smaller degree the Eldar) have changed much in 10 thousand years, leaving things in a stable (if very violent) status quo. Thus, order exists. Bloody, horrifying, violent order.
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== Empy is the Chaos god of Fanatical Zeal. ==
Being a ridiculously high powered psyker that even the Chaos Gods feared must hint at the insane presence he has in the warp. Hell, the Astronomican was powered by him before his interment in the Golden Throne. His body withers but his warp presence grows ever stronger, fueled by the fanaticism and zeal of the Imperium. Not only that, but any alien which shows emotions of righteous zeal is also indirectly feeding Empy.
== The Chaos Gods, the Emporor, anything originally from the warp, is God/Jehova/Allah/ etc. ==
Since in any culture with a supreme being, that being created everything (all matter and energy, anything that has a soul had it given to them during development by them.)thus they created love, happiness, beauty, etc. Unfortunately, they also would have to have created hatred, rot, massecre, etc. In the future, Satan (or his equivalents in other cultures) wages his war against this supreme being of your choice. He is defeated, but only after the being embraces his/her/its darkness. This darkness, now dominant, compartmentalizes itself into numerous individual "gods", and its light, slightly tainted by the darkness, emerges to lead the species it had chosen before, humanity.
* Dude, that's impossible in so many ways. Firstly, the Emperor is the result of a combination of a few thousand psykers. Secondly, the Chaos Gods came into existence in the Middle Ages except for Slaanesh, who appeared during the Dark Age of Technology, due to the emotions of mortals. Thirdly, why would a fragment of god seek to stamp out all religion?
* No, the shaman thing was but one of many explanations being thrown around. It is still unclear what the Emperor truly was. Secondly, time means nothing in the Warp. They manifested and gained their sentience at the very dawn of Creation, but that translates to trillions of years later in the material universe. They have always been sentient, and yet, have never truly been so to mere mortals. Confused yet? Well it's Chaos. Lastly, The EMPRA decided to stamp out Religion not because he thought it was 'STUPID AN' EVUL', but rather because he knew that there were ''certain gods'' in the galaxy and decided that if he allowed Humanity to continue to go down such a path, it would eventually lead to them meeting with said Gods. And also, he thought that if people stopped believing in daemons and shit, they would eventually go away. What the Great Throne Vegetable didn't realize is that Chaos is fueled by sentient thought, not explicit belief. Just clearing that up.
== The Adeptus Mechanicus is the real power in the Imperium. ==
Think about it; The Adeptus Mechanicus has a pretty strong to a massive presence in every other Adeptus/Adepta, Officio, and Departmento in the Imperium. The Adeptus Mechanicus is capable of being completely independent from the rest of the Imperium if it choosed to be as it has all the production capacity, military might, organization, population, and resource pool to survive on it's own, though it may be somewhat diminished from secession; but the Imperium of Man would probably not survive without the Adeptus Mechanicus, and in fact the Adeptus Mechanicus can more or less destroy any other organization in the Imperium on a whim by simply withdrawing all support from it while the AM would be far less affected if another organization tried this with them. So it stands to reason that in reality, it is the Techpriests and not the Administrators, Generals, Inquisitors, Chapter Masters, or what have you who hold all the real power in the Imperium and it is Holy Mars, not Holy Terra that is the center of power in the Imperium of Man.
* Makes sense, given how much primitive and backward the Imperium is without the Adeptus Mechanicus.
* Keep in mind that the Machine Cult still needs the rest of the Imperium for supplies and the like. Forge Worlds need to import food and so forth. Plus their armed forces (while powerful) lack the sheer numbers to defend themselves from all the threats they would face without the assistance of the Guard/Navy/Marines/Inquistion/etc.
** And that some SM Chapters are pretty self sufficient and tech savy on their own.
== The four chaos gods were all once mortal ==
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* Khorne= <s>Human</s> [[Ax Crazy|Orkz]]
** Khorne being created by Humans is canon, from the Daemon Codex. His first and most powerful Daemon Prince was once a human as well.
*** I knew about the human daemon prince it pissed off atleast one person for implying that it was Genghis Khan a national hero to your average person from Mongolia being the only mongolian anyone outside the country knows the name of.
** As a descendant of Changheiz Khan, I thought it was rather badass.
* Tzeentch= Nobody knows because his profile doesn't fit any mentioned races
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The real good guys are the Necrons.
** Don't forget the Tau.
*** Since the Tau seem to be the goodiest of the races, that means that they actually make Chaos look like mischevious schoolchildren.
** Then the Orks are a race near extinction and not infesting most of the galaxy.
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Quick Summary of Binary: Binary is a language used by among the Adeptus Mechanicus, which is used to differentiate the their members from those who are not, and is a jealously guarded secret among the Mechanicus - the point where a character has said (quite seriously) that he would have to kill his non-Mechanicus friend if he were ever to decode the Binary language.
The Adeptus Mechanicus are a group of elitist 'players' or 'priests' - the l337 - operators of machines (computers or tanks) who look down upon those who are not knowledgeable about the machines - the n00bs - and value their machines more than the lives of others, or themselves, and wish to incorporate themselves more into these machines - using headsets to chat, implanting hard drives into your spine - and practically worship them.
Also, they absolutely hate any unorthodox or innovative methods of operation as it would make them redundant/put at a disadvantage. For the AdMech, its new machines, for the l337, its hacks/h4x. Offenders are often never given a second chance - by death or by bannage, you will not do that again!
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** More to the point, it explains why the Inquistion has never cracked the code. Binary would be brutally easy to crack with a calculation machine, but 1337 would be uncrackable without AI or a human involved. Given that they feed the 1's and 0's in to the machine, and get nothing a machine can read as a language out of it...
== The Emperor is Kane from [[Command
Highly charismatic, possibly immortal, manipulation of various ideologies to achieve Nod's max appeal, born thousands of years before Christ. Plus the whole abrahamic Cain & Abel thing going on could be a nice bit of backstory. Plus the setting's already grimdark, and there's a lot of nice proto-Baneblades.
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== The Antichrist is the Emperor. ==
After the establishment of the star-spanning human empire in the Dark Age of Technology, it collapses as Earth is engulfed in a massive warp
* Nurgle and Khorne (and Tzeentch) have been around for a long, long, long time, so they couldn't have appeared as recently as the happenings on Earth. Also, while Nurgle certainly fits in with Pestilence, Khorne is more a god of battle than Death.
* Not to mention that it is explicitly mentioned that the "Hood and scythe" depiction of death was actually ingrained into the young raced by the Nightbringer, and that he is literally why they fear death.
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== The Emperor is Doctor Doom after the events in "What If Doctor Doom Kept The Beyonder's Power." ==
In the issue, Doom becomes '' {{spoiler|omnipotent, conquers the Earth and turns it into a utopia after defeating all the remaining super-heroes. He then turns his attention to space and conquers or destroys most of the alien races and super-beings there as well. The Celestials arrive and Doom engages in a 400 year long war with them, from which he emerges victorious, but with most of his power gone and the earth disloged from its orbit and freezing. Doom, rather than humankind go extinct, uses up his remaining power to restore the Earth's orbit. He then lives among them, but muses that given the proper motivation humanity could be made into an unstoppable force.}}'' Doom, in this reality, has his face restored, and has been possession of great cosmic power for centuries. Civilization has already fallen once, hostile alien races have been subjergated or destroyed by his power. Is it so unlikely that his power returned to him, and he then led humankind back to the stars as the Emperor of Mankind?
== It's gonna get better. ==
Since the 5th edition put the game into so bad that there's really not much pushing left, Games Workshop now has an excellent opportunity to pull out something totally unexpected and make everything loads better in one go. Because I dunno about you, but all this darkness makes the whole thing kinda depressing, and why would you want to play with anything other than Tyranids or Necrons since you know one of those two is gonna win the whole thing in the end? Anyway...
* In one of his inexplicable Xanatos Gambits, Tzeentch tricks Khorne into assassinating Slaanesh, allowing every single Eldar soul imprisoned by him to get free. Some of them finally get to the afterlife, while the others, including Eldrad Ulthran, stay, get a new physical form, and help to rebuild the Eldar back to its former glory. In addition, the psychic backlash resulting from this instantly brings their new god of death to life. Oh and, with Slaanesh gone, they also finally get to relax a bit and have a little fun, though definitely not enough to create another nasty god.
* The Golden Throne, thanks to all its flaws, finally breaks up for good. However, instead of the Emperor dying, he actually wakes up, and begins his quest in leading the mankind from darkness. With him awaken, the Astronomican powers up again, and no longer needs souls to work. Also he relaxes a bit of the Imperium's attitude to "Xeno Filth", allowing them to establish diplomatic relations and some trading with the Eldar, Tau, and even Orks, although the races are still a bit hostile to each other.
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**** Let us not forget the primarchs. First among them, Leman Russ wonders back onto the scene where his Wolves will proceed to get a morale boost big enough to take on a several planets worth of Chaos all at once.
***** Also, Commander Farsight turns up, the first tau psyker, using reverse engineered Eldar tech and goes on to create an army of Kroot psker's with force weapons.
****** I've imagined a breed of Tau Plasma Warriors. They're basically the Tau's (or just Farsight's) attempt to imitate the Space Marines. They're Tau Fire Warriors with a mishmash of genetic augments and splicings from Tau aligned species.
** Alternatively, the thing the Tyranids are fleeing from reached our galaxy...and it turns out to be a cosmic force of love and goodness that makes everybody get along voluntarily.
*** You, my good sir or ma'am, are amazing, and I award you an internet.
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{{quote|'''The Emperor:''' ''I'm'' da biggest, dat means ''I'm'' da boss!}}
** Or the Emperor uses his psychic powers to convince the 'Nids that the Eye of Terror is a fat free, low cal buffet and beer garden. Hive Fleet splinters flock to it, the "Shadow in the Warp" plugs the [[Negative Space Wedgie]] long enough for the Space Marines to [[Curb Stomp Battle|trounce]] several factions and convince the Tau that there is something to Chaos. Travel in the warp becomes easy. By the time the Chaos gods re-open the eye, their forces are weakened and the 'Nids equate our galaxy to spoiled food.
* If it gets better, it will get better in a way to sell more action figures.
** Oh, and this includes healing miracles. The obvious way to attack the necrons is to "heal" them. They aren't so formidable in the flesh, without all that metal. It does have the disadvantages that necrons out of healing range will be kinda annoyed. (In-universe disadvantage. Out-of-universe: More action figures!)
** Or it will escalate once the God Emperor gets-up/dies making the chaos work 10 times harder to hold him off by haing the gods ally and create units with composite traits of gods, the orks will get more dakka (perhaps, maybe, if it could, something close to in some way, enuff dakka), more of the nids will show up cause GE is is 100X more a psychic beacon when walking then before thus bringing new unit types in, the tau finally get the wrap stuff down and become 1337 at using it, the eldar have a conference and pool their resources to build greater wraithbone stuffs, it turns out the GE was sitting on the new dark eldar codex and someone yoinks it once he gets up, the necrons wake up some more horrible contraptions (possibly as a response to the massive wrap signature), Space marines get GE as an HQ + gear to match his great crusade + maybe another founding, Sisters split on the inside (GE was against being a god) so 1/2 stay rather similar but another 1/2 become much more calm and professional, IG gets new tanks in his name, did I miss anyone? PS Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, get a model as the god emperor's human champion as Warmaster Caiphas Cain, His Emperor's Hammer. Had to have Cain involved.
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* Someone will FINALLY acquire enuff Dakka.
** There is NEVER enuff' Dakka!
* Further evidence that it will get better: recall that the 40k 'verse is essentially a [[Darker and Edgier]] version of [[Dark Age Europe|the European Dark Ages]], [[Up to Eleven|turned up to eleven]] and [[Recycled in Space|IN SPACE]]. All the loosely connected, inter-warring states are held together by a paranoid, anti-intellectual and [[Nineteen Eighty-Four|Orwellian]] [[Corrupt Church]] that [[Burn the Witch|burns heretics]] and generally does exactly the opposite of what their martyr-god intended. They have an extremely dim view on the inner workings of the technology left behind by the civilization they crawled out of the ruins of (Rome/the Dark Age of Technology). The elite Space Marines are the [[Knight Templar|Knights bravely serving their God by killing anyone who doesn't comply to their standards of species, genetic purity, and faith]]. The Eldar are the Pagans who once flourished before the advent of the Imperium, but whose civilization is now facing extinction (like due to being burned by the Church as witches), and we have the [[Rape, Pillage and Burn|Dark Eldar/Orks]] as the pirates and war-obsessed Norse barbarians, with the Dark Eldar covering the rape and Orks covering more of the pillaging and burning. And the Necrons and Tyranids kind of both combine to represent the Black Death, what with the 'nids parasitically devouring everything like a plague, and the 'crons for carrying the imagery of an inexorable, implacable, menacingly slow-walking Death that the bubonic plague was associated with. Meanwhile, the Tau is of course the burgeoning Asian Civilizations (like Ancient China, India and the Arabic civilizations) which despite being isolated managed to flourish while the once-glorious West burns.
''Why'' does all this mean that things will take a turn for the better? Well, because since this is the Dark Ages there has to be a '''Renaissance!!!'''
** That means Warhammer 40k will end like this: The Imperium deposes the [[Corrupt Church]] (most possibly through the awakening of the Emperor or after a terrible Nid/necron-induced apocalypse, or we can do it as [[Real Life]] had done it, through the the discovery of an STC that describes the Scientific Method in all its glory), succumbs to an explosion of intellectualism and rediscovery, discovers a new warp drive that doesn't rely on passing through the Warp itself and is infinitely more reliable, and expands across the far reaches of outer space [[Star Trek|where no man has ever gone before]], ultimately reaching [[Star Wars|a galaxy far, far away where]] [[Eagle Land|a new republic is established]]. The [[Yellow Peril|Tau]] will probably have new advancements in technology, establish a powerful empire "For The Greater Good" and become powerful rivals or allies against humanity. Eldar would also try to make their own empire to rival or become allies with the Imperium and Tau. With the Age of Reason revived, more and powerful weapons are developed, and the Imperium, Eldar and Tau, with some Orks, would be allied against the 'Nids, Necrons, sundry other Eldritch horrors that besiege the galaxy on all sides, or other rogue Ork waaaaghs. Of course, there's no modern world if it wasn't for some vestigial remnants of the old Imperium that are lead and reunited by [[Adolf Hitler|a megalomaniac who is as powerful as the Emperor in terms of psychic powers and charisma, yet is an utter psychopath like a combination of Chaos and the past Imperial church]], [[World War Two|which causes the final awesome battle that will decide the fate of the Milky Way Galaxy]].
*** Also, with the death of [[Adolf Hitler|the powerful chaos-corrupted megalomaniac]], two ways of life will emerge as dominant. One is the old secular economic system of Terra during the Dark Age of Technology, the other is the philosophy of the Greater Good, with the Tau having used the Great War to establish itself as a superpower. To seal permanent communication with all sentient life that exists, humanity created a [[The Internet|massive network]] (probably what the emperor originally intended, a Webway Network through the Warp). Meanwhile, after being exterminatused, the Eldar started to redirect their squicky ways to the creation of [[Anime|new popular media]] (while the Dark Eldar opted for the [[Hentai|alternative]]), and it proved too efficient, being popular throughout the said network. The rest of Chaos (except for Tzeentch) was ultimately sealed and split between two rival groups: [[
* Alternatively, Tzeentch (the god of HOPE) turns out to have been [[Good All Along]], his insane and seemingly pointlessly complicated plans were actually instrumental in preventing the other 3 chaos gods, the necrons, and the tyranids from gang raping the rest of the galaxy.
** He does that for all races actually. If everyone dies he has no one to change their ways. If the world wasn't crapsack no one would have hope, because everything would be all right. He needs to keep everyone at the status quo to foster hope AND change.
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* The Tyranids and the Necrons (really their masters the C'Tan) cut a deal: The 'Nids hit Imperal Worlds while the Necrons attack the Space Marines (and their Chaos counterparts), Eldar, Dark Eldar and Orks. They split the Tau. The Nid's get to NOMNOMNOM their way to Terra and the Astronomicon, the Necrons get to see most life purged from the galaxy. [[Chronic Backstabbing Disorder]] kicks in, but not before several forge worlds and whole armies are wiped out. By the time the Necrons and Tyranids turn on each other, the forces of Chaos have the upper hand.
* Theory for it getting worse: things will get so grimdark that whatever remains of the Imperium of Man, the Eldar Craftworlds, and the Tau Empire will be forced to work together to hold back the tide of [[Eldritch Abomination|eldritch horrors]], et cetera, that beset them on all sides. It works out pretty well...until a heretical Commissar Yarrick emerges from the Eye of Terror, driven mad by the Warp and leading a horde of Chaos Orks to unite the rest of the Ork clans and crush every other faction in the galaxy. And then they get eaten by Tyranids.
** And then the Necrons kill all the Tyranids. The universe ends.
*** Good game!
*** Because the universe has been cleared of all life, every link to the warp is closed off. Then, somewhere, someday, Terra develops life without the help of the Warp and suddenly discovers how to make fire. Cue the real world happening.
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* Just see ''[[The Shape of the Nightmare to Come]]''.
== [[
Everything is going, more or less, as planned for old empy, perhaps he didn't intend to get quite as injured as he did, and yes magnus bursting in trashing one of his biggest projects with his good natured bumbling probably wasn't something intended, but by and large things are going pretty well for the Emperor.
Sometime during the Great Crusade The Emperor discovered something that was an even bigger threat than Chaos, could have been the Necrons below mars, could have been Tyranid DNA from a Xenos he dissected in his lab (he is a scientist after all) could be something far far worse that's yet to make an appearance. He deliberatly appeared to do nothing while the chaos gods plotted his downfall because he knew that even a galaxy wide empire of perfect order, wouldn't be enough to save humanity from the bigger bad but Chaos and the limitless power of the warp could be turned against it. Supports the Necron's as the big bad theory since they went into hibernation after losing to the warp in the first place. Though since chaos corrupts maybe he's hoping the tyranids will be corrupted and turn on each other. (feel free to speculate wildly!). An added benefit is that the galaxy, through being in a constant hell, is basically training more and more Badasses through natural selection.
As evidence, Empy was more powerfull than 3 of the chaos gods combined (slaanesh came later) which means he was capable of out plotting Tzeentch a fair amount of the time. Also it's unlikely Hourus's corruption and betrayel came as much of a shock especialy since, you know, the emp sat and watched the unborn primarchs get scattered across the galaxy by the warp. Kind of a giveaway that they were up to something.
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* So what does that make the Protagonist, who was (at least at the time) much more powerful than Akihiko at the time?
** The [[Unreal Tournament 2004|Holy Shit to Akihiko's Godlike]].
** Let's see. He spends most of the game gathering power by telling people what they want or need to hear, resulting in enlightenment for both him and the person he's <s>manipulating</s> befriending. He has the power to rapidly switch between various styles of magical abilities on the fly by putting on and replacing personas. His color theme is mostly blue. {{spoiler|And at the end of the game, his soul ends up trapped in a metaphysical place outside reality as we know it where time doesn't work right, where he is fated to do battle with the [[Anthropomorphic Personification]] of despair for all eternity.}} You get three guesses as to who that makes him, and the first two don't count. Any problems him being the Lord of Change causes the timeline can be handwaved by the general weirdness of time in the Warp. IIRC, Tzeentch has a favored creepy herald/servant he uses as an emissary outside the Warp: it could be Elizabeth, Aigis, or both, elevated to the level of a Demon Prince (although Elizabeth may have qualified as a [[Eldritch Abomination|minor deity]] to begin with).
** What would Philemon be, then?
== The Emperor is the fifth Chaos god. ==
In terms of the background, there are many similarities between the Emperor and the various Chaos
* Maybe, maybe not. This is one of those things which will never be resolved because that would end the setting and stop GW from selling toy soldiers. If The Emperor was ever allowed to die, he would ''either'' be [[Killed Off for Real|Dead For Real]], and Chaos would swarm out of the Eye of Terror, eat humanity like a snack, and rampage all over the place having all sorts of fun, ''or'' ascend to becoming a new warp god, annihilate the four Chaos Gods in an eyeblink and extend the Imperium across the galaxy.
** The sales problem could be subverted by the emperor ONLY having a presence in the warp, so that the imperium still needs to defeat anything inside the galaxy without his help. Also everything moving towards the galaxy
** This must mean that either the Emperor doesn't know this would happen, or is trapped in his life support and unable to sever it.
** The latter has been ''heavily'' implied to be the case several times.
** There's also the factor of how the ascension of a new Chaos God appears to require/cause reality being ripped a new one, decimating the host race in the process. The Emperor may have weighed the benefits of being a Chaos God against Sol being the center of a second Eye of Terror.
** One of the radical factions of the Inquisition believes the latter part of this theory, and is actively trying to "pull the plug" in order to allow the Emperor to complete his apotheosis.
** In the "Age of Ending" section of the 5th edition rulebook, it was revealed that Tech-Priests have recently discovered fatal flaws in the Golden Throne far beyond their ability to repair. Also, while the 3rd Edition rulebook had art depicting the Emperor as a withered old man wired to a throne, a similar picture in the most recent rulebook shows the Emperor as a skull-faced, shriveled corpse. Looks like we're going to find out what happens when life support fails soon enough...
*** I don't know what the one down the page is meant to be, but there seems to be a pretty clear [[Xanatos Gambit]] possible in this. It takes a whole lot of worship to make a god, right? Well, at the time of the Heresy, the Emperor was only starting to slide to the "god" side of "god-king." So, he makes sure that the Throne will keep him alive for long enough, and, if humanity isn't doing well enough to repair it, it will break down and cut him loose to save them all over again. True
* Another argument for the Emperor ''already'' being a god (as opposed to having the potential to become one): he has daemonic servants (angels) that occasionally break into the material world and possess his favored champions (the Living Saints).
* It's not so much that the Emperor is a ''Chaos'' God per se, as it is the case that ''all'' gods in the 40K 'verse are basically psychic quasi-daemonic entities existing mainly in the Immaterium. Older fluff indicates that Gork and Mork are already running around in the Warp after all, and they are hardly Chaotic (though [[
* [[wikipedia:Malal#Malal|There already is a fifth Chaos god.]]
** Fine, the Emperor is the ''sixth'' Chaos God
*** Maybe the Emperor ''is'' Malal!
**** There may be some truth in that. According to [[The Other Wiki]] "Malal was at some point cast out or separated from the rest of the Chaos Gods. [...] Malal was perhaps the first of the Chaos Gods and seems to exist only to destroy the other gods and their followers. The Outcast God is both feared and loathed by the other Chaos Gods, and his power may parallel the collective power of the other Chaos Gods. [...] they were the chosen human champions/followers of Malal. Dedicated to seeking out and destroying the followers of the other Chaos Gods" Sound like anyone we know? * coughtheemperorcough*
*** Considering how much the Imperium relies on Warp travel and psykers, both of which are intrinsically tied to Chaos, you may be on to something there.
** There are more than five already. Another posibility is Necoho, god of Atheists in the setting (I'm serious). According to the Horus Rising series and other sources, before the Heresy the Emperor hated all religion and specifically banned his own cult.
*** The Emperor is the Lady of Pain?
*** Which makes a lot of sense in a world where enough belief spawns new gods (and innumerable demons too) and you know it.
*** In the same vein, he may have become a god against his will.
**** More likely his [[Xanatos Gambit|backup plan]]. Originally, yes, he was going to weaken Chaos through the anti-religious Imperial truth, then cement everything by sitting Magnus on the Golden Throne to intervene through the Webway wherever a supernatural intervention was needed. When that plan went pear-shaped, he decided instead to take advantage of the worship tickling at the edge of his consciousness, joining with the image of him the Lectitio Divinitatus people were creating in the Warp to become the [[God-Emperor]] we know.
**** As far as can be seen, a warp god is no different to a * cough* regular warp entity, just WAYYYY more powerful. Perhaps you are a god if you become powerful enough in the Warp. In that sense, the Emperor could very well be a Warp God, just not one of the very loose chaos pantheon.
**** From what I have garnered from reading fluff, there are ''lots'' of Chaos Gods of lower stature then the big four (such as Zuvassin, Murphy's Law incarnate; Necoho, god of atheism, who gets stronger as he ''loses'' worshippers), Chaos Demigods so to speak, it's just that the Big Four are the most powerful -in the Milky Way at least- and have the largest cults, so they get most of the screen time... That, and copyright issues have made it hard for Games Workshop to use Malal, as he belongs to the guy that made the (I think) comic book he started out in, and not Games Workshop.
**** They're not really sure who has the rights, which is why they just let it go.
* Assuming that the Emperor ''is'' a Chaos God, he is the god of fear and loyalty. His chosen warriors are freed from fear, just as Nurgle's worshippers are freed from despair.
* Wouldn't the Emperor technically be the ''Fourth'' major Chaos God, since he predates Slaanesh by about 35000 years?
** Also, if the Emperor is the fourth Chaos God, the five Chaos Gods are personifications of the five Eons from [[wikipedia:Discordianism|Discordianism]]. Khorne represents Original Chaos, the war of all against all. Tzeentch represents Discord, the dance of competing intelligent powers. Nurgle represents Confusion, the rise of universal ideology, mass movement, and totalitarianism, also represented by the semi-familial relationship between him and his followers (they call him Grandfather Nurgle). The Emperor represents Bureaucracy, the fall into petty struggles, technological decadence and social stagnation. And finally Slaanesh represents the Aftermath, when everybody falls into hedonist nihilism just before society completely falls apart.
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** Okay, I want to make this very clear to... '''EVERYONE'''. This isn't FR. As a Chaos God, you're not strengthened by 'belief', you are strengthened by the expression, thought and performance of ideals, emotions, virtues and so forth that have to do with your Chosen portfolio. Just because the all too feared Throne Vegetable has a Cult that numbers in the quadrillions, it doesn't really mean shit if one goes by his powers. If he's truly the God of Order, then gentlemen, he'd be screwed. And that is because there is no fucking thing such as Order in [[Crapsack World|universe like this.]] And once more, he'd never be able to hold a candle to the Dark Gods, who have trillions of years worth of carnage, scheming, despair and vulgarity behind them which has built up their strength. If there's ANY God more powerful than any other, it's Khorne. Because, you know, this is a setting where the tagline is, '''THERE IS ONLY WAR'''. Were the Emperor to ascend to Godhood, he'd be as powerful as any lesser Chaos God. In other words, as potent as the Gods that most Undivided Marines dedicate a spike on their armor to. [[INB 4]] cries of "HERESY!".
*** A. Belief is an emotion. So is fear. Therefore both can technically empower a Warp Entity. B. The Emperor was already as powerful as the four Big Abominations alive. Are you saying that power would just go poof after he ascended?
*** A. Yeah, my point is that people think that the Chaos Gods draw their power from the number of people who have an explicit belief in them. They don't, hell, the Imperium's violent foreign policy has likely done more to strengthen Khorne than any of his faithful's exploits. B. No, he wasn't.
**** If we assume the Emperor has "righteous anger" in his portfolio then Khorne would be somewhat starved by a devout citizen of the emperium. Anger and such over petty or jealous things not so much. If his portfolio also included fear...well< hell he'd be pretty damn powerful from that alone.
***** Any anger at all serves Khorne. That's how the metaphysics of the Chaos Gods' sustenance works. And the reason they've grown so powerful. Also, depending on how you define 'righteous fury', Khorne's followers and the average Word Bearer has it in droves. Khorne's followers tend to be the most idealistic of Chaos Warriors, they believe they exist for nothing else but glorifying Khorne through glorious battle, after all. For example, Angron is turned to Khorne by his burning fury and obsession in avenging his fallen companions. Sounds pretty 'righteous' to me. Furthermore, in a recent Horus Heresy, it is revealed that the Emperor knew from the start that no matter what he did, Horus was gonna tear him apart. So he's likely not as high on the divine totem pole as is implied.
== The changes to the Grey Knights' background in 5th edition are a revisionist history written to cover up a political schism ==
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== The Tau are the creations of the Old Ones. ==
First, a warp storm conveniently cuts the Imperium off from the Tau homeworld just as they were planning to colonize it. Then, the Ethereals show up at the darkest time in the Tau's history, to pull them out of a self-destructive spiral. Then, the Tau just ''happen'' to find a crashed ship on their planet's moon, when they really need the technology to travel faster than light. And of course, the tiny Warp signature of Tau souls keeps them from being a tempting target for the Daemons of the Warp.
* For this to be true, Tau would have to be extremely old; yet they've only become a player on the galactic stage very recently and are commonly thought of as a young and naive race. Possibly, modern Tau grew from spores that had remained dormant for thousands of years (Orks, another Old One creation, also grow from spores), but were recently activated by some event or condition. These spores could have been spread throughout the galaxy, seeding many planets. The Tau spores on Earth activated in the second millennium. They were known as [[The Smurfs|Smurfs]].
** Or some of the Old Ones survived the War in Heaven and did not make the Tau until recently. They would not be the only race that survived the war. But this begs the question of what the Old Ones have been doing between then and now.
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Okay, Warpstorms up for most of Tau History. As T'au orbits its sun, it gets closer and further away from the storm.
Now, Evolution is essentially change, and who, famously, is the Lord of Change?
Tzeentch. yes thats, right, I'm hypothesizing that one of the Dark Powers had a hand in the Tau's evolution.<ref>
Tzeench is of course, going to have none of this, so he brings about the Ethereals of Fio'Taun. No more infighting. and to top it off, he made them Blunt, so no more Chaos influence.
Alternatively, no Khornate influence whatsoever, the periods of 'hyper-evolution' /were/ screwing with the Tau race, and the Blunt-ness is simply a result of evolution preventing the death of the Tau Race via aforementioned birth defects caused by the accelerated evolution instigated by the Chaos forces of Change.
== The Tau Were Created By The Necrons. ==
To serve as sentient cattle (it may not be coincidence that the Tau are said to be descended from grazing herd animals). They have had impossibly good luck during their development, implying that somebody has been pulling the strings to ensure the survival and propagation of the Tau against the many threats that they are faced with. The Tau are a completely Warp-insensitive race, making them excellent victims for the Warp-averse C'tan and their Necron minions. By ensuring the rise of the Tau Empire, the Necrons have been setting up fodder for their return so that this time there will be less of a chance of them running out of victims. And if conflict between the Tau and their enemies ends up going poorly for the more Warp-savvy races, that's just the icing on the sentient, screaming, doomed cake.
== Two Space Marine Legions were too cowardly to fight in the Horus Heresy. ==
The background mentions several Legions of Space Marines, some who rebelled and tried to kill the Emperor and enslave Earth, some who remained loyal. But it also mentions two Legions whose entire existence has been stricken from Imperial records. They could hardly have behaved any worse than the rebel Legions, so why were their records erased? The answer is obvious if one remembers that "Legion" is a Roman term, and that some Roman Legions had their details hammered out of monuments in punishment for cowardice. Obviously, the equivalent happened during the Horus Heresy.
* The REAL reason those two Primarchs are unknown is that {{spoiler|GW wants players to make up their own Space Marine chapters who can claim the Lost Primarchs as their founders, much like the Blood Ravens in Dawn of War.}} Of course, this is a WMG page, so where's the fun in actual cold, hard facts?
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*** The Scary Marines just scream of being loyalist [[Night Lords]].
** It could be possible that they were unable to fight during the Heresy because they were busy dealing with the filthy xenos, who always press upon the borders of the Imperium and corrupt the wayward human. After all, the Imperium is pretty freaking huge, even then...
** Conversely, something awful happened to the 2 missing legions BEFORE the Horus Heresy that had little to do with Chaos...
*** I kind of assumed that the two missing Primarchs got screwed over while being cast into the Warp as infants. I mean, Sanguinus grew
**** But if they were so warped that there gene-seed couldn't be used anymore, why were the legions founded?
**** The Emperor didn't necessarily ''know'' this had happened - he may be for all intents and purposes a [[Physical God]], but he has limits. (I think.) The Dusk Raiders were active before Mortarion was found and renamed them the Death Guard; the Dark Angels ''found'' Lion el'Jonson back when they were simply the First Legion. If the Emperor predicted he'd find them, but not that they were seriously mutated, he could found a legion, then quietly disperse it and find some secret job for the survivors.
***** Such as becoming the Adaptus Custodes and the Grey Knights? Just a thought.....
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** Alternately, they were wiped out by xenos/Chaos before the Heresy.
** No, one of them is Gazghkull, Prophet of the Waaaargh!, who was somehow transformed into a long dormant Ork spore. Thiss is why he is the biggest o' all da Orkz!
*** No, the 2 missing Primarchs are never named and the records are deleted because their names where actually Gork and Mork, and where involved in a time travel accident that send them and their legions at the time of the War in Heaven.
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***** ...but not his connection with the Dark Angels.
***** Easy. Alpharius killed the real Cypher, who was a Dark Angel. Now he's just masquarading as him.
***** Doesn't work. There has been several sets of rules for Cypher, and none of them had the stats to indicate he was anything more than a skilled Space Marine, let alone a Primarch. Or the points cost. ''However'',
****** Space Marines, maybe, but Guilliman was a ''primarch''.
******* Speaking of whom. Such tricks work better when both sides cooperate for choreography. You remember what Ultramarines' symbol is, right? Omega upside down. And in what place people look last for hidden things, if not the most illuminated spot in plain sight?
****** Plus the rules make it clear: Cypher cannot die, not until his mysterious benefactor is done with him.
== The Tau are engineered by the Eldar ==
As shown by Xenology, the pheromone gland in a Q'orl and a Tau Ethereal are identical, and a Q'orl legend laments the loss of one of their queens at the hands of the Eldar. Q'orl queens also control their subjects through pheromones. Coincidences are ''not'' helpful.
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**** Or the Eldar created the Tau do do what they could not. There are many theories that the Tau were created to destroy Chaos, since the Eldar cannot.The Tau even have many upgrades that prove this: the apparent lack of soul (nothing to strengthen Chaos), Lack of Psycic presence (immunity to possession from demons), and incredible technical innovation (to fight demons and adapt to the ever-shifting powers of Chaos). The Eldar may have made the Tau so they could get their homeworlds back.
*** The Eldar are willing to sacrifice billions of other species to save thousands of Eldar, and redoubtably willing to sacrifice thousands of Eldar to save the entire Eldar species. Perhaps the tau are part of a very, ''very'' long game.
*** There is a theory that the Eldar DID create the Tau, but didn't know about The Outsider - another C'Tan who may or may not be sleeping under the surface of the Tau planet.
== The Tau is Krikkit. ==
Really, cut off from the rest of the galaxy, only to find a crashed spaceship and become uncannilly proficient with technology in a short time and go on a rampage.
Alternatively they are the Yehat.
** [[You Can't Get Ye Flask|You can't get Ye]][[Nice Hat|hat]].
* Alternatively alternatively, the Tau are an evolved form of the [[Dragon Age Origins|Qunari]].
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== The Emperor's stasis on the Golden Throne is part of a 10000-year [[Xanatos Gambit]]. ==
It's got something to do with [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]. Blame [https://web.archive.org/web/20120413074234/http://www.fanfiction.net/u/955393/Matt_Coates Matt Coates] and his ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20120413074241/http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3117068/1/The_Final_Crusade The Final Crusade]'' NGE-Warhammer40k crossover for the odd idea.
== The Warhammer 40k Universe is part of the [[Marvel]] Multiverse. ==
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* One word: Adamantium.
* The Hulk becomes da Orkz. Please, don't make them Waaagh. You won't like them when they Waaagh.
* [[Captain America (comics)|Super Soldier Serum]] + [[Iron Man|Tony Stark's armor and weapons]] = Space Marines.
** Alternatively, Fio'O To'ni St'ark was one of the finest minds of the Tau Earth Caste. Abducted by a radical Inquisitor's retinue and forced to recreate Tau technology for them, he instead built [[Powered Armor]] and used it to escape captivity. Voila! The Battlesuits were born.
** ...[[Memetic Mutation|In a CAVE!! From a box of SCRAPS!!!!!]]
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* And finally, Warhammer 40k takes place in the universe designated Earth 40,000. As it should.
* A question: Who's Deadpool-40,000?
** Let's see. Who in Warhammer 40k is bugfuck insane, hilarilously awesome, and Chaotic Neutral? Da Orks. When Waaagh!Dedpool gets going, the galaxy will burn. Then he'll move on to whatever the Nids are running from.
*** ... I may just have to get an Ork army.
* Is no one going to mention the fact that the Marvel universe now has a huge rift in it? Through which lots of eldritch abominations are coming? Of course there could be a [[Dan Abnett|simpler]] [[Andy Lanning|explanation...]]
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== The Emperor and Tzeentch used to be one. ==
The Emperor, before Slaanesh showed up, is said to have been pulling strings of humanity for thousands of years, so he ought to be able to avoid [[What an Idiot!|What An Idiot]] moments he had after he became Emperor. Obviously, the part of him that was the sneaky bastard is somewhere else, essentially pulling another [[Xanatos Gambit]] i.e. Tzeentch. Slaanesh, Khorne and Nurgle aren't the brightest bunch, so they probably didn't notice yet.
* Alternately, the Emperor might still * be* Tzeentch, no splitting of his aspects, just millennia of living a double life within the warp. Those Imperial [[Unwitting Pawn
* What is the Emperor? A [[Magnificent Bastard]]. And what did he plan to bring to Humanity? Hope and '''change'''. Who is Tzeentch? The God of Hope, Change and Magnificent Bastardry. Just. As. Planned.
* Slannesh's creation predates the Emperor (and indeed mankind) by millions of years.
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== Tzeentch is one of the Eldar's greatest allies ==
Whilst Tzeentch is a Chaos God, his 'fellows' are by no means outside the reach of his scheming. To which end, had Tzeentch learned of the Eldar's ultimate plan (which would weaken or kill Slaanesh, and free the Dark Eldar from his control), he may well be keeping the other forces of Chaos focused on fighting the Imperium so as to allow the Eldar to eliminate one of his primary rivals. The alliance is also how the Eldar acquired Tzeentch's lessons in [[Manipulative Bastard
== It's another of [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Shinji's]] [[Grand Unifying Guesses|dreams]] ([[Warhammer
* God Emperor of Mankind = Shinji
* Primarchs = Shinji's personality traits
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* C'Tan = The Angels
* Gork & Mork = Asuka
* Shinji is ''clearly'' The Emperor, Tzeentch ''and'' both Gork and Mork. Rei is a Primarch, Asuka is Slaanesh and Khorne, Kensuke is the Omnisiah, Touji is the Lord Commander Militant of the Imperial Guard, Misto, Gendo and Ritsuko are the heads of the Inqusition. For more, see Charles Bhepin's [https://web.archive.org/web/20121017120003/http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1211674/Charles_Bhepin Shinji and Warhammer 40k]
** Shinji is <s>Chaos</s> W40K Undivided, as he's got all the factions running around in his skull. Apocalypse Rei is obviously Gork and Mork ("waaagh."). Asuka has Khorne's aggression and Slaanesh's pride, and both are struggling with the Greater Good ideology for dominance, but there may be the potential for a Primarch somewhere in all that confusion.
== The claim that the explosive in bolter shells is "depleted deuterium" is a lie spread by the Adeptus Mechanicus. ==
Deuterium is a radioactively stable isotope of hydrogen, so "depleted deuterium" is both physically impossible and a ''terrible'' idea for the main payload of an explosive shell. The fact that bolter rounds work, and work well, suggests that the Mechanicus are aware that [[Elements Do Not Work That Way]]. Thus, any reference to "depleted deuterium warheads" in the WH40k fluff is a load of [[Techno Babble|technical-sounding gobbledygook]] intentionally spread by the Cult Mechanicus to prevent anyone from recreating this sacred and revered technology without their blessing. The true payload of a bolter shell is a secret known only to the Tech-
* The same is also true of any references to bolter shells as "caseless ammunition", as suggested by the rather prominent cartridge-ejection slot on the side of the Astartes Mk Vb boltgun. Granted, earlier boltgun models seem to lack this cartridge-ejection slot, so it's possible that some bolter shells ''are'' caseless, but claims that this is a universal rule are (possibly intentionally) fallacious.
** The background material seems unable to decide. Bolters are often called caseless, but the detailed description of a boltgun in one of te Imperial armour books mentions it having a case. There being several variants, some of which use a case and some of which don't seems likely, especially since boltgun shells are essentially miniature rocket propelled grenades and don't necessarily need a case (altho having one would probably reduce a chanse of it exploding prematurely).
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== Mammy Yokum's tonic, seen in the musical based on the comic strip ''Li'l Abner'', was one of the ingredients used by the Emperor to create the first Space Marines. ==
Men who take the tonic undergo massive physical development, but completely lose their sex
== The various source-books and other materials dripping with [[Darker and Edgier|GRIMDARK]] are anti-Imperial propaganda. ==
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** "Wow, if our guys have to blow up planets rather than let our terrifying soul-devouring enemies get a hold of them, it ''must'' be dangerous out there.''
** What's the most-played army, the one most players start with? [[Space Marine|SpaceMarines]]. Most of the GRIMDARK fluff isn't general Imp propaganda, it's [[Super Soldier|Astartes]] indoctrination, aimed squarely at their sense of superiority to the rest of the Emperor's servants and their fatalistic attitude. The rest is likely by and for Inquisitors, who aren't known for their lack of paranoia.
* There's no inherent contradiction. The Imperial Guard really ''are'' professional, competent, even heroically badass soldiers. They just can't do much against the Cosmic Horrors, space dinosaurs and assorted demigods except act as cannon fodder. The Imperial Faith is ''at one and the same time'' a comfort and inspiration to humanity ''and'' an excuse/rationale for its worst excesses (true of many real faiths). The Imperium is both a fascistic nightmare of Orwellian conformity and the only real chance we've got. In addition, it spans vast amounts of worlds, easily enough to cover everything from forge worlds to remote agri-colonies.
== Alternatively, the stories of [[Ciaphas Cain]] and [[Gaunt's Ghosts|Ibram Gaunt]] are Imperial propaganda designed to overplay the power and competency of the Imperial Guard and the relative happiness of the Imperium. ==
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* Alright... here's my take on 'enuff Dakka': You must create a weapon that can hit every point in space and time in the multiverse... with bullets that are each composed of every point in space and time in the multiverse... at point blank range to every point in space and time in the multiverse... And to clarify, the term "multiverse" includes: all alternate realities, parallel realities, perpendicular realities, potential realities, imagined realities, unimagined realities, inconceivable realities, and impossible realities. So you need a gun that shoots at everything, with everything, when next to everything. Now... how can we achieve * dramatic chord* ''too much dakka''?
** So the [[Crisis on Infinite Earths]] was the result of the Anti-Monitor trying to get together enough Dakka?
** That would only be enough dakka if the weapon can hit every point in the multiverse WITH every point in the multiverse, at every point in time in the multiverse, infinity times per 10^-infinity seconds. Remember, one of the key points of dakka is rapid-fire capability. Hitting everything once isn't orky enough.
* You've achieved Too Much Dakka if yer shoota has so many barrels and gubbinz and whotnots stuck on it yer can't pull da bloody trigga.
** As any Big Mek would say, "Stikk on anuvver trigga, den shoot evryfing wot moves!"
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== [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]] is the ultimate Orky dream - just with "filfy humies" instead of Orks. ==
Think about it: The series is pretty much the ultimate invocation of [[Clap Your Hands If You Believe]], where characters do [[Badass]] crap because they believe they can. Orks grow larger the more accomplished they become. So should we not expect that a <s>Gargant</s> mecha large enough to throw galaxies around, with a preceding form that has <s>Almost Max Dakka</s>lotsa dakka, just not enuff, is probably the dream of every Mekboy. Unless, of course, they want something large enough to throw everything else in the universe around... Then, again, it seems to be running on Wyrdstuff and if so, even the Mekboyz might not want to mess with such things.
* '''Totally''' not inspired by ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20080919115138/http://jaekyu.deviantart.com/art/Gorkken-Morkann-59616567 Gorkken Morkann]''. Seriously.
** Red wunz ''do'' go fasta, after all.
* So, WAAAGH! is Spiral Power? I knew it!
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*** One issue of White Dwarf, celebrating a Space Marine Codex, featured Marines with samurai banners and symbols.
** Considering the level of firepower routinely thrown around in the setting and how geologically unstable Japan is, it's highly unlikely Japan survived the Unification, and odds of Japan surviving the end of the Dark Age of Technolgoy are roughly zero. One well-aimed shot from a lance battery would wipe out most of the nation, much less actual * firepower* being deployed there.
** Alternatively, Japan underwent a [https://web.archive.org/web/20090129071436/http://www.starslip.com/archive/20050802.shtml landmass-to-space conversion], and ''[[Starslip Crisis]]'' is really about the Age of Technology. Obdrath von Lucifuge and the Terran Consortium leaders were servants of Tzeentch, seeking to create even more chaos (little-C chaos, not big-C Chaos) out of the flaws of the starslip engine, but failed. Now it'll all end when the warpstorms arrive. Also, sometime just before the Age of Strife, the Cirbozoids will flee this galaxy for another, only to return eventually as the Tyranids.
** They get at least one planet, and an off-the-cuff mention that they're still practicing sumo, in ''Farseer''.
** 1d4Chan accurately describes the Imperium as being: "a nation ruled by a [[God-Emperor|Divine Emperor]] [[Martyrdom Culture|with legions of fanatical warriors who believe that glory awaits those who die in battle in his name with officers carrying swords, infantry engaging in fanatical charges, suicide missions considered a proper way to end one's military career,]] [[Putting on the Reich|high ranking officers wearing dress uniforms comparable to those from 18th/19th century Europe,]] [[Humongous Mecha|and their most powerful weapons are gigantic humanoid mecha.]]" If anything, Japan became the dominant culture.
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== Farsight is working with/secretly being controlled by/been replaced by/really likes the Necrons/Eldar/Squats/[[Recycled in Space|Skiiiiiinks iiiiiin spaaaaaaace!]]. ==
Even Games Workshop loves messing with us on this one. https://web.archive.org/web/20080725045747/http://www.games-workshop.com.au/games/40k/tau/painting/farsight/default.htm
== The Chaos Gods plan is to make the Emperor another Warp diety. ==
The Chaos Gods, if they ever win, will destroy themselves. So, obviously, they need something or somebody to stop them from winning. So, why not create a diety that would oppose them? And who's better than a person, who already has a cult and already is a danger to them?
== 6th Edition will either never arrive, contain mechanical changes only, or reboot the canon. ==
This one seems pretty obvious, but just how the heck is GW gonna top the GRIMDARK-titude of 5th? Since things obviously can't get any BETTER, either the canon is gonna continue exploring the monumental screwedness of the universe at large, or GW is going to say "Alright, we can't think of a way to make this any worse. We're starting over."
* 6th Edition will be the [[End of the World Special]]. Those naive Tau will have their hopes crushed by Tyranids, Orks, and xenophobes. The C'Tan on Mars will wake up. The Eldar craftworlds will become silent tombs drifting through the void. Abaddon will finally, ''finally'' win a campaign. And everywhere, humans will be dying in droves as the tide of unspeakable horrors plaguing the galaxy utterly extinguishes the Imperium like the tide washing over a candle. The narrative campaigns players take part in will not determine ''if'' the "good guys" live or die, but ''how'' they die - more specifically, how long humanity lingers before succumbing to its inevitable fate. On the one hand, we'll get to play out the Final Siege of the Imperial Palace. On the other hand, one helluva [[Downer Ending]]. Afterwards, the game will only continue as "historical reenactments" with occasional rules tweaks and new models, for if a 7th Edition is attempted to advance the plot, a black hole will swallow the Earth.
** Or CIAPHAS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM will come back, complete with an in game unit. Therefore, saving humanity.
*** But as of the publication of the Cain Archive, he's been dead and buried with full military honors for a number of years (while still on the official payroll). So how could he...oh, duh, Cain must be Jesus. And, therefore, also God/The Emperor.
**** Cain's books are written as of M42.100. The setting is currently at late M41.999. So he's alive in-setting, and book five is about his action in the 13th Black Crusade.
***** Or Kharn the Betrayer will find Cain and make sushi out of him, because everybody wouldn't SHUT UP ABOUT HIM and so Kharn felt he had to challenge him.
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** On the other hand, all the surviving Primarchs will return, the Tau will reach a technological singularity, the Eldar god of the dead will awaken, and the Starchild will be born. Our reality will be unable to contain the level of awesomeness, and will explode. [[Zero Punctuation|AND IT WOULD BE AWESOME.]]
* There is only one possible way to make 40K even MORE grimdark, and that's the one where an Eldar craftworld kamikazes into T'au, the Eye of Terror gets 70% bigger overnight, and Tyranid gaunts suddenly have "venom cannon" as their basic weapon.
* Actually, there is one other way to make 40K even more [[Grimdark]] - portray the Imperium as evil. Eliminate all language portraying the Space Marines and Imperial Guard as the Defenders of Humanity. Show records of dozens - hundreds, even - of alien races exterminated by the Imperium. Make a big thing out of how callous the Imperium is towards its subjects. And finally suggest that an Imperial ''victory'' would result in the extinction of all other alien species and a permanent dark age for the human race.
** And that's different from the current portrayal how?
* A few possibly modifications:
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** Because that's not how things work in Warhammer 40K and you know it.
** Because every faction is evil, and would therefore be targeted by something that even the Tyranids are afraid of.
** What is the one thing that all the races (or at least their leaders) are completely terrified of? [[Incorruptible Pure Pureness|The Cosmic Force of Peace and Love!]] Think about it, the Imperium would lose their Orwellian war footing, the Nids wouldn't be able to consume, the orcs wouldn't be allowed to fight, it goes against chaos' nature, the Eldar would lose their regimented structure (and craftworlds would be obsolete, and what farseer leader wants that?),the Tau would lose their moral highground (and thus, no one would want to join the Greater Good), the squats would come back, etc etc. Therefore, when a [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic|bunch of ponies using friendship magic]] appear in their rainbow ships, the entire Milky Way will unite in a desperate fight to protect their GRIMDARK way of life.
* Aren't they running from the fact that they've eaten everything behind them?
** That's what
* Didn't they come from the eastern fringe. Also didn't the Old Ones retreat to the edge of the galaxy. Maybe they're trying to fix all of their mistakes, start fresh.
* They could be running from the Old Ones who survived the War in Heaven. I mean the Old Ones might not even be targetting the Tyranids but because they are so omega bad ass then the Tyranids are fleeing to seek shelter from them anyway.
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== The Iron Men were Necrons, or at least based on Necron tech. ==
The Stone Men found the sleeping Void Dragon on Mars & somehow used him to create an army of Necrons to use against the Gold Men, but things backfired & the Necrons turned on everybody. Another possibility is that the Iron Men were all Pariahs. The Stone Men were Blanks who were forced into servitude because of their condition & the Void Dragon converted a number of them into their intended form & sicced them on the rest of humanity.
** The Pariah theory is [[Jossed]] by the first [[Gaunt's Ghosts]]
== The Gold Men are the Chinese, or some other Eastern power. ==
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** Yeah, but Moratarion's meeting with the Emperor proves that there are some environments too hostile for even a Primarch to survive for long. If all else fails, even they need to ''breathe''. And yes Russ is alive but he was last seen heading for the Eye of Terror (as was Corax). Vulkan and the Khan had no specific destination noted in their last sightings.
* A brief round up. Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, and Rogal Dorn are confirmed as dead. Vulkan, the Khan, Corax, and Russ went missing. Guilliman and the Lion are technically still alive, but are resting / in stasis (hinted that they might well get up again). Depending on whether you veiw them as loyalists or not, Alpharius (and Omegon) are probabley still alive.
* The ''[[Horus Heresy]]'' books dropped a few bombs on this. Especially the scene with Horus, Jaghatai and Alpharius squabbling with Malcador, and then Malcador psychically attacks Horus (!) for trying to speak the name of one Missing Primarch — which Emperor have banned. {{spoiler|Horus starts "Mal..." before having the air crushed out of him, and apparently neither Malcador nor others think he merely addresses Malcador.}} Hmmm… At this point all of them except Malcador are mostly clueless about the whole Chaos thing. Oh, and by the way missing Primarchs are #2 and #11… and {{spoiler|Malal's sacred number is 11. And unlike the Big Four, he can possess mortals personally}}. No wonder they had all records purged.
** A bolder and crazier [https://np.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/g3ebn4/somebody_prove_me_wrong_that_malcador_isnt_an/ interpretation]: he ''was'' addressing Malcador… as "Malal". Malcador did too much to shape the Imperium into what it became, so all "Emperor is Malal/Malice" arguments can as well apply to him: «He was not the Emperor until He met me». However unlikely.
== There's going to be a faction of Chaos Tau ==
The deal is, a large colony fleet is going to be trapped in a Warp Storm. They're not going to be affected that much. Their innate Warp resistance make them subject to only some mutations and their culture undergoes a radical change into a savage barbaric state that glorifies pain and suffering. They're going to be trapped with Necrons and Tyranids. They're going to reverse engineer biotech from the 'Nids, fight a horrible war with the Necrons, and the Warp Storm is going to spit them out a long long time ago into a Galaxy far far away. That's right, at the end, the Chaos Tau are the Yuuzang Vong.
* Tecynically, the Farsight Enclaves are 'Chaos Tau' in that they have rebelled against the Greater Good, just like Horus did against the Emperor. When (if) we ever discover Farsight's true motivation and it turns out to be for personal gain rather than some kind of Heroic Sacrifice, we'll know for sure.
** Oh, and O'Shovah himself was influenced by a clearly sorcerous weapon!
*** But then, all this happened after Farsight and the rest fought a sudden incursion of daemons. And if anything, became better at this. Also, daemons usually don't bother with the Tau. Thus either:
***# O'Shovah became a pawn in some daemon plot. Just as planned.
***# Even more straightforward: it's a daemon weapon… of Malal/Malice. The incursion probably was not about some shallow Tau souls, or even auxiliaries, it was provoked by a daemon briefly going active as a bait. So this ''did'' go "just as planned", but the plan was that they get tails kicked in, and then Malal's servant creates a good new weapon against the Team Chaos from Tau warriors who now take this danger quite seriously.
== Abaddon is secretly on the side of the Imperium ==
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*** {{spoiler|Both confirmed and kinda of [[Jossed]] in the Horus Heresy Novel Mechanicum. The Dragon is definitely contained under Mars but is not actually the Omnissiah as such. Turns out that the Emperor's defeat of the Dragon in the 11th century was the catalyst of scientific change for the human race. By banishing the Dragon to Mars (and later ensuring that the scientific Elite of Earth would be exiled / evacuated to Mars, he ensured that the Mechanicum would be created for Mankind's future benefit. The Dragon, as well as being very adept with technology, also appeared to be the very mental force that prompted any and all kinds of technological developement. And the Emperor knew all along and took great lengths to ensure that the secret was never known.}}
**** {{spoiler|That's not the half of it. By binding the Dragon in an inhospitable place, and partially restricting its ability to influence minds, he ensured that while the Martian colonists would get the idea of ''a'' Machine-God, they would never identify it with the Dragon and fall into the C'Tan's service. Then he seeded ideas around that guaranteed the Mechanicum would see ''him'' as the Omnissiah. This much is canon. Going further, though, he knew full well that belief creates entities in the Warp. And the Machine-God thus created would not only further encourage technical prowess, but aid in preventing the Warp-vulnerable Dragon from escaping or gaining too much control.}}
**** Indeed, the Emperor, who dismantled every religion he met and objected at worship of himself, for some reason apparently did not see the devoted and now expanding Machine Cult as dangerous and in need of suppression. With Void Dragon behind it, this makes perfect sense: it resists hijacking by the Chaos Gods ''or'' spawning a new Eye of Terror centered near Earth. Also, the Emperor and a C'Tan could agree on alliance against their common enemy, that is the Big Four and their daemons. Defeating it would just ensure the Emperor can dictate terms.
== The Chaos Gods are a Self-Parody of 40K Players ==
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* Didn't an ork capture an imperium aircraft and fly away with it even though it didn't have any fuel, because he expected it to work? I've heard that mentioned several times but can't remember what the source was.
* Also, the Mechanicus isn't usually that dumb. They worship technology, but see scientific knowledge as enlightenment and reverse engineering as a holy quest. And the rituals make it work ''better'' in a strangely Mekboyish way.
** They see the knowledge ''that had once been gained by science'' as enlightenment. But they're like
*** Things aren't nearly this simple. The AdMech is no more unified than the Inquisition. ''Some'' tech-priests believe that humans once had all correct and holy technology, that the STCs contain it, and that any other design is simply a corruption. Others believe that all technology exists in ''potential'', implicit in the rules by which it must operate, and only the Omnissiah knows all. They seek to know his mind by investigating the function of things and developing
The subject of new devices sees a related
* The Mechanicus "rituals" are basic maintenance and repair dressed up in the robes of religious ritual. Ork technology is incredibly crude, and would be lethal to the user if they weren't an entire race of tough [[Super Soldier
** It's "only one" if you credit only sourcebooks and not novels. And the subject reveals another division of
== The Omnissiah is actually the last of the Iron Men ==
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== The final battle in the entire setting will be between the fully re-awakened Necrons and the full uber-swarm of every Tyranid in existence ==
The sheer power and numbers of both forces will utterly crush every other faction, leaving only the two to battle it
* Then how would Game Factory [[Merchandise-Driven|sell more figurienes?]]
*** The Orks can get a look-in here: OK a world that's been Tyranided or Necroned won't have any surviving spores, but it's just possible that there'll be enough Warp-lost Space Hulks full of green-skinned [[Axe Crazy]] nutters to make a difference...
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* So Rubric Marines were actually former McCain supporters who only converted after their punishment?
== In the Imperium's darkest hour, the
Think about it. Yarrick, while being a loyal member of our favorite group of space fascists, knows how to think like an Ork, is respected by Orks, and is out to kill one of the biggest warbosses ever. Now how do you take over an Ork horde?
* But how is he going to overcome the size issue?
* By killing or maiming any ork that brings it up.
* He isn't green enough. Orks tend to think that's important.
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== Far from being what keeps him alive, the Golden Throne was constructed to keep the Emperor dead. ==
It was designed for its purpose by members of the Adeptus Mechanicus dedicated to worshipping the Omnissiah and who firmly believe the Emperor and the Omnissiah are different creatures altogether, and effectively keeps the Emperor's body in a persistent vegetative state. Or it can also serve for the purpose of keeping the [[Corrupt Church]] in power. The recent unrepairable flaws in the Throne are due to the Emperor's mind - being a powerful psyker, he's got some damage potential up in the ol' noodle - lashing out, and when it breaks the Emperor will be returned to life.
** Very heavily implied to be the case in certain early fluff.
== The Tyranids were created by the [[
They're the Protoss/Zerg hybrids, which the Xel'naga took to another galaxy rather than devour all remaining humans because they wanted to do some experimenting with new species. Unfortunately, it turned out that Orks were in one of the sectors they had yet to devour, the Eldar blew their psionic clouds away by creating Slaanesh, and so forth.
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== The Emperor summoned the Tyranids ==
His plan was to form a symbiotic relationship with them. He'd have them go into the Warp to eat the [[Offscreen Villain Dark Matter]] there, and since Daemons are formed from the consciousness of sentients, they'd have unlimited supplies as long as there are people. Meanwhile, since Warp Matter cannot exist indefinitely outside the Warp, and they'd be incorporating Warp material into themselves, he'd have two methods of keeping the Tyranids from swarming out and attacking. However, because the Warp would be crawling with Tyranids, he'd need a new means to travel in FTL, hence his attempts to secure the Warpway. Unfortunately, with the Horus Heresy, that plan has gone all to hell. But then, it wouldn't be [[Warhammer
* Isn't it canon that the Tyranids are being drawn to the Milky Way by the beacon of the Astronomicon? So there's definitely a sense in which this is true.
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And then shit will hit the fan for the rest of the galaxy [[Like a Badass Out of Hell|when they'll get out of the Warp for finding new enemies to fight.]]
* Cain help us all.
* If they believe so strongly in dieing and being reborn wouldn't that mean they will make the legions of chaos strong enough to defeat them, even as the orks get stronger? In the end there will be the ork company, and a their chaos enemies as the strongest creatures in reality. Then the sheer force of their awesome will rip apart the barriers that keep them (both of them) imprisoned. The logical conclusion is that they will then proceed to annihilate everything including each other, before being reborn again the next day. Thus making their endless cycle a destructive force more potent than the chaos gods multiplied by how awesome orks are.
** No ork ever believes they're going to die.
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** Khorne's so angry he has TWO diametrical opposites.
*** Nope. The opposition goes deeper than that, it's about the fundamental human drive each god embodies- Tzeentch is "Change" (improve myself, do better, things should be better for me) and Nurgle is "Endure" (don't change, everything should stay the same!); Slaanesh is "Want" and Khorne is "Destroy." That's where the oppositions come from.
**** To give a bit more detail then that, Tzeetch is hope, ambition and change. He gains power form everyone trying to make a difference, everyone trying to gain some small amount of agency or relavence in the univerese (this being 40K, the only plausible way to do so for anything not already a demigod is to be a shadow puppetmaster of other poeple). Nurgle meanwhile is acceptance, despair and compassion. People tryingto make due, thanking heaven for small miracles and trying to help other do the same are his.
Prety much the same for Khorne and Slaanesh, rage and destruction versus longing and possesion.
== Warhammer exists in the same continuity as Neil Gaiman's [[The Sandman|Sandman]]. ==
This, straight from the Chaos Codex: [http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7702/tzeenchdelirium.jpg\]. I don't know many girls (with dogs as their companions) that could make an eldritch abomination of madness whine about cheating, after, as it is implied, ''beating it at its own game''.
* Only one
* This is Warhammer 40k. Standard dog size is probably around horse size.
* Conversely, the little girl is the Emperor and the guard dog... huh. One of the lost Primarchs?
** Logically, this means that the Emperor is Delirium, which explains ''so much''.
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* There's one key difference between Cain and a Primarch: ''three feet'' in height.
** Meh. Someone must have screwed up the cloneing process.
* To elaborate, when the Primarchs were scattered to the warp, it mutated Cain into a largish man. The warp, being the warp, then spat him out several millennia after the Horus Heresy where he was recruited into the Schola and became the Commissar we all know and love. Since his particular quirk is damn fine luck, [[Implausible Fencing Powers]] and [[Improbable Aiming Skills]], the [[media:
** Cain's considered a prophet by some, right? Sons of the Prophet, maybe?
** The Forward Retreaters?
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* Whether or not the Primarches/Space Marines were/are ''fertile'', the latest Space Wolves codex implies that Space Marines are at least... ''capable''... with a Space Wolf (Svengar the Red) making a pass at a female native of a planet he was stranded on.
** Perhaps, even if the Primarchs were fertile, the human-born Astartes are
== The Iron Men were [[Iron Man|Stark Industries products]]. ==
The name was practically begging you to think it's a [[Take That]] against [[Iron Man]].
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The Soul Drinkers are descendants of Rogal Dorn, that's why Sarpedon can use the Soulspear (which has genetic analysers on the handle). The novels record they were given the Soulspear at the Second Founding, by ''Dorn himself''. Yet the Black Templars book essentially says "no, the Black Templars are pretty much the only Second Founding descendants of the Imperial Fists". All records pertaining to the Soul Drinkers were destroyed by the Inquisition at the beginning of ''Bleeding Chalice''. We can't even trust the codexes.
* Given that the Soul Drinkers were excommunicated as heretics, that technically WOULD make them the 'only' Second Founding Chapter, if only retroactively.
* Alternatively, the Codices are 'In Character' and the Black Templars are lying in order to make themselves look important, or are just bitter that THEY weren't given a Soulspear to play with.
* No, no, no, the Black Templars Codex states explicitately that, during the almost-civil war after the Horus Heresy, Dorn relented and allowed ''two'' Second Founding Chapters to split from the Imperial Fists Legion: Crimson Fists (loyalist Codex-adherent Chapter) and the Black Templars (''definitely'' non-Codex). (Technically, there are three ''Chapters'' split from the old ''Legion'', but the Imperial Fists are First Founding.) The Soul Drinkers have a damn convoluted history, anyway, but ''all'' of the [[Imperial Fists]] successor Chapters have artefacts of Dorn:
{{quote|[[Imperial Fists]]: The Fist of Dorn. Carried by First Company Captain, Darnathy Lysander. A super-powered, master-crafted [[Drop the Hammer|Thunder Hammer]].<br />
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== The missing Primarchs are dead of defective geneseed. ==
The Emperor created the Legions before he recovered the primarchs. If they were just missing, ''where are their Legions''? Obviously, attempts to use their geneseed failed
* The Alpha Legion are listed as the 20th Legion. Apparently "abysmal failure" still counts as a Legion for the numbering scheme.
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Instead, the character who tries to stop Horus will be "Little Horus" Aximand. Who
# would be there as Horus's captain
# [[Tears of Remorse|was weeping with self-blame]] after he killed
# does not feature in the future
* And of course he doesn't he got replaced by a Custodian Guard because Games-Workshop hates you
** A Terminator. Either way, the problem was that they noticed a plot hole ([https://warosu.org/tg/thread/45847457#p45862450 what a normal human soldier was doing there in the first place?]). And of course, instead of finding a simple and natural solution <ref>e.g.: do you remember that human spaceships use ''Navigators''? The Emprah prepares for battle, Astronomicon gets unfocused and there's a suspicious warp current leading in the right direction (power-up conduit from the Four to Horus), so an inbound Solar Auxilia ship follows it, emerging very close to ''Vengeful Spirit'' right when it starts looking all icky; then Emprah teleports on board; since he's a great warp beacon himself, the Navigator sees this and reports, so the Captain decides it's their duty to assist the Big E, however little they can</ref> they [[Voodoo Shark|plugged it in a nonsensical way that created more plot holes]], diminishing the impact of this scene in process (invented Emperor's "superfriends" the Perpetuals), so after this screw-up they lost all hope and just threw away the whole thing.
== The feth are a form of pixy. ==
Because Gaunt assures us that they are a form of tree-spirit, and yet "feth" is plentiful used as a curse word. Obviously, they were [[The Fair Folk]] and prone to pixy-leading people, in the forests of Tanith no less. "Fethed" therefore means hopelessly lost and
Really.
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Tzeentch recognized Creed's genius. He also decided that it would benefit him if Cadia remained in Imperial hands - it would force his Chaos servants to find smarter ways of attacking the Imperium. So he made a deal with Creed that did not involve betraying the Imperium - in fact, Tzeentch has commanded Creed to protect Cadia at all costs. In return for his service, Creed became enough of a tactical genius to pull off stunts like hiding a Baneblade behind an outhouse. Tzeentch simply gets a kick out of seeing Creed in action. It also makes disposing of Chaos Lords he doesn't like easy - just point them at Cadia and let Creed do the rest.
* This also explains why Abaddon is still the Champion of all the Chaos gods despite his utter failure as a leader, because seeing his two favoured servants continuously fighting each other is exactly the sort of thing Tzeentch enjoys.
** What? One of the greatest human commanders in the Imperium's history is a hidden servant of Chaos? It must have taken some kind of tactical
== The Tyranids are another creation of the Old Ones ==
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== The Codex Astartes is a load of crock and not a single chapter follows it ==
Seriously, 1000 Marines per chapter? Even with the average attrition rate of 99/100 initiates during training, numerous chapters could easily field more full battle brothers than that, and it would most certainly be necessary for the constant wars against the alien, mutant and heretic. The Ultramarines most likely followed it originally, if only to honour its writer, but after their near annihilation fighting hive fleet Behemoth even their [[Lawful Stupid
* The Ultramarines ignore the 1000-man suggested limit, but in order to assuage their Lawful Stupidity, they do it by simply pooping out successor chapters. The Ultramarines may only number 1000 battle brothers, but the "Ultramarines" number in the hundreds of thousands.
* The Black Templars use a similar system, with limited to 1000 Marines per "crusade". And by my calculations there are about five times as many Astartes post-Codex as there were pre-Heresy (1000 Chapters of 1000 marines each= 1,000,000 now, 20 Legions, average 10,000 = 200,000 then)
** If they were full. Chapters suffer losses, sometimes great. Only from Imperial Fists successors Celestial Lions and Fists Exemplar were reduced to <100, and Invaders were reduced to a ''dozen''. Then it takes time to train the replacement. Those on "penitent crusades" are guaranteed to have major attrition.
== There were never any Primarchs ==
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*** To expand on that, Elves/Eldar are lighter framed humans, Orks/Orkz are big, green, muscley, monstrous humans. Dwarves are midget, massively beardy humans, Tau are slightly shorter, blue, cloven footed humans - i.e similar to enough to humans to see a resemblance, but too dissimilar to pass for each other.
*** Dwarves tend towards technology, Elves tend towards magic. Tau tend towards technology, Eldar tend towards using The Warp/Souls.
*** Tau in fact have no psykers, as their rave has almost no connection to the warp. Similarly, Dwarves have no mages, as their race is inept in casting spells. However, dwarves do have the ability to forge magic runes, an ability the Tau lack.
** Cyberpunk
*** We're looking at a perfect society, ''as far as we know'', courtesy of a ruling upper class, with no known crime, and they're divided into factions where interbreeding is forbidden.
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*** Tau technology was much more advanced than "10,000 B.C.E." when the ethereals showed up. The codex specifically describes them as using black powder weapons. In addition, the Tau's swift rate of scientific and technological development is perfectly plausible, given what humans have accomplished. The Dark Age of Technology was much more advanced than anything the Tau have accomplished. Humanity is currently less advanced than the Tau due to the Age of Strife destroying most of what they had developed and the Age of the Imperium being marked by stagnation and a dogmatic Adeptus Mechnanicus whose idea of "research" is locating lost technology, and who regard developing new technology as heresy. ''Of course'' the scientfically-minded Tau have passed by humanity.
*** Warp storms exist within the warp only, they don't spill over into realspace (That's a warp rift, like the Eye of Terror or the Maelstrom). So they didn't prevent the Tau from using any space travel technology that they developed, but instead prevented other races (notably the Imperium and the Orks) from wiping the Tau out before they had developed a small stellar empire. These particular warp storms protected the Tau, the didn't hinder them in any way. (Which opens up WMG of its own...)
* The recent introduction of the Demiurg to the tau army simultaneously both josses and confirms this theory.
== Doom Rider was once Richard Pryor ==
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== The real name of the Emperor? Kal-El, of Krypton. ==
[[Superman]] decided that humanity's defences were inadequate, so he set about unifying them under his rule. Fast forward to the 41st Millenium, and his vision has [[Gone Horribly Wrong]].
* Just a few problems with that. Superman was an alien and knew it, so why would he be anti-alien? Also, did Horus strike him down with a kryptonite sword?
** Superman is also vulnerable to
** As for the anti-alien sentiment, it could be due to just [[Crapsack World|how utterly horrific the world turned out to be.]] Even [[The Messiah|Kal-El]] [[He Who Fights Monster|couldn't fight the grim darkness.]]
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Void Dragon: "I have always existed, I have drunk the stars themselves, you cannot defeat me pitiful little crea-"
Emporer: "Za Warudo!"
Void Dragon (two miles under the surface of Mars): "-ture. Wait? What the hell?!"
== The Emperor is an agent, perhaps unwitting, of the Chaos gods. ==
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{{quote|It is the 41st millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the master of mankind ''by the will of the gods''. [Emphasis added.]}}
Which gods could these be? The Imperium worships only the Emperor himself. Gork and Mork, the Ork deities? The surviving Eldar gods? Cegorach, who is in hiding? Isha, who is in captivity? Khaine, who is in pieces? Or perhaps the C'tan, who have slept since before humanity existed, and only awoke recently? None of these beings seem to be credible candidates. No, it can only be the Chaos gods, who have clearly been deeply interested in the affairs of the Imperium since its founding. The only question is why they want the Emperor on the throne of Terra, and whether the Emperor knows that he is their agent.
** I always tought that the 'gods' who endorsed the emperor were humanity's own warp entities, like [[Greek Mythology|Zeus]] or [[Norse Mythology|Thor]] or possibly [[Egyptian Mythology|Ra]]. They got consumed by Chaos a long time ago (they only had energy from one planet of sentients, and they were so many of them that they didn't have enough power to resist) but were able to give their power to the Emperor before they were fully consumed. But since there's no canon evidence for such a thing, that's another WMG entirely...
*** That doesn't really work, because the Emperor is supposed to have been around since prehistoric times, which means ''before'' any of those beings were worshiped, or even dreamed up. But consider this: who puts that inscription about the Emperor at the beginning of all the Warhammer 40K novels? The publisher, obviously. And who is the publisher? The Black Library. And what is the Black Library? It is the repository of all the information the Eldar have collected on Chaos over the millennia. So why are all these stories about the ''Imperium'' coming out of an archive that's supposed to be about ''Chaos''? Because the whole Imperium unwittingly serves Chaos, because the Emperor is an agent of Chaos. It's all some big [[Xanatos Gambit]], probably by Tzeentch.
**** Timing is not a problem, given how little is known. "Have been around since prehistoric times" may apply in different senses: if he absorbed servants of the Old Gods of humanity, part of him ''was'' around and he remembers all this. Also, gods may have many names, and can always be older than just the last alias, so who knows when they really appeared? And/or it doesn't have to be a single event, he could have been first used as the last resort escape from complete death long ago, then the last gods losing the war knew about him and used what already was proven to work.
*** [[SpongeBob SquarePants|Tartar Sauce!]] And it was a good theory too. What about the Great Mother and the Great Horned One? They can't be aspects of Slaanesh then, as s/he was born during the Fall of the Eldar, which was thousands of years after the Emperor's birth. Sorry, grasping at straws here.
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* There's a ''reason'' that the followers of Chaos call him the "Corpse-Emperor" or "Corpse-God".
* Then explain how the light of the Astronomican is still open for the psykers to use to get through the Warp.
** It's being powered by all the psykers who get sacrificed to it every day. The Imperium just claims that it's still being directed by the Emperor in some way as part of the propaganda that he's still alive.
== Slaanesh did not kill the Eldar gods. He ''is'' the Eldar gods. ==
Consider: warp entities, including gods, are created by the worship of living beings in the materium. The Eldar created Slaanesh because, whatever lip-service they paid to Asuryan, Vaul, and the others, by the way they lived, they were actually serving Slaanesh. So Asuryan and the others were transformed into Slaanesh. The Eldar experienced this as Slaanesh "devouring" their gods, because that is how it would have seemed: the old gods were being absorbed into the new one. The warp storms the preceded Slaanesh' birth were, metaphorically speaking, the chrysalis by which the bulk of the Eldar pantheon metamorphosed into Slaanesh.
The reason Khaine, Cegorach, and Isha survived is that they were the only remaining of the old Eldar deities who were still receiving sincere worship anymore, so they were able to remain distinct from Slaanesh.
== [[Everybody Is Jesus in Purgatory|Everybody is the Emperor in his life support]] ==
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== The missing Primarchs are still alive and in hiding. ==
All twenty Primarchs participate in the Great Crusade, and the records of II and XI were deleted after the Heresy. Their respective Legions were annihilated in the fighting, leaving only the two Primarchs around. Realizing that the Galaxy was going to get worse before it got better, they decided to cut their losses and hang up their helmets for a while. For the past ten thousand years they've been silently waiting for the proper time to re-emerge.
* The histories of the legion II and XI were deleted during the Great Crusade. Even the Primarch's considered it a taboo to even mention them. Little is known about their fate, save that they are referred to as the "forgotten" and the "purged". This could potentially refer to two separate events. The only other bit of information is a subtle reference from Leman Russ immediately after the destruction of Prospero; he implied that the Emperor ordering a Legion to fight against another legion was not "unprecedented".
== Ghazgkull and Yarrick will [[Enemy Mine|team up]]. ==
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== The Emperor is indirectly responsible for almost all [[Magical Girl]] warriors ever. ==
We know that The Emperor had to throw out his compassion away so he could kill Horus. The Star Child theory that exists in-universe tells us that his compassion can bond to itself in the form of a new facet of The Emperor's personality comparable to the Omnissiah, different, but still part of the greater being.
Now consider what would happen if his compassion could make simple decisions. It would probably want to get as far away from the GRIM DARK 41st millennium where its favorite son had just been killed by his own hand. The Emperor has been stated to have time warp powers, and an aspect of him that did not have to do anything like powering the astronomicon could possibly muster enough psychic power to achieve true time travel.
The compassion aspect would travel to the late first/early third millennium, where there are far fewer horrors that imperil humanity. It would be very weak and could even be scattered over the planes of existence, like an egg that broke and spilled on the floor (in a pan-dimensional sense). The first instinct upon arrival would be survival. It would go about this by attaching to human hosts in whatever form it could, becoming various transformation trinkets in a manner akin to soul binding.
The hosts it would seek out would be young, caring, and female. Why female? Because compassion, love and other "soft" emotions are more feminine than masculine. The Emperor, the dominant aspect and with more than a hint of War-God ( Great Crusade and all ), is masculine. The Omnissiah, the aspect of knowledge and machinery ( and by proxy the the war aspect, war-machines ) is not solidly referenced to by gender ( I cannot recall the Omnissiah being referred to as a he with any regularity ). The most war-oriented the compassion aspect can be is as either the supply lines that feed the conflict, the bonds of warrior brothers, or the healing and recovery from after war.
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During the first meeting with the hosts the aspect would involve an infodump explaining things the the host. The reason they all get different backstorys is because the trauma of traveling so far through time has rendered it a crippled with no clear idea of what happened, but its stronger connection to the War/Main aspect gives it general sense of directive to oppose Chaos and safeguard humanity.
The form Chaos takes in this time frame to threaten man is small time Daemon lords trying to take a few billion souls to jump-start there carriers. The first choice for the aspect would be to fight would be daemons serving Khorne, god of hate.
All this time attached to the host, the aspect will amplify the power of love to insane levels to fuel the hosts powers to fight anti-lulz. When the host is in civilian mode the aspect will squirrel away psychic compassion resonance to send to the future for the Star Child.
* At the very least, this theory certainly explains the reasoning behind [[
* Didn't [[Sailor Moon]] end with her destroying Chaos?
** She "put it back where it belonged, back into the hearts of humans."
*** [[
* "In the name of the <s>Moon</s> God-Emperor of mankind I punish you!
* ''[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica]]'' is one of the Magical Girl dimensions closest to the actual 40k universe.
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== The Illuminati exist, and are tragically almost-right about the Star Child. ==
The Illuminati are, in the same old background that introduced the Star Child, a group of people who managed to throw off Daemonic possession [[Beyond the Impossible|by sheer will]]. Unfortunately, Tzeentch [[Crazy Prepared|had a plan]] for this, and made sure his Daemons left behind simple suggestions buried deep in their former hosts' minds. They plan a mass sacrifice of the Star Child's champions to pull together the scattered aspects of the Emperor's will with his long-discarded humanity dominant, reborn in a (super)human body. This would work...[[Gone Horribly Right|to the great advantage of Chaos]]. Even with the power of a popular god as well as the greatest of all psykers, his attention would be far more limited by cohesive identity and incarnate consciousness. The most urgent of prayers would go unanswered and the hearts and minds of innumerable faithful lie unshielded, to be claimed by the Ruinous Powers. [[All According to Plan|Just As Planned]].
== The Star Child is [[2001: A Space Odyssey|David Bowman]] ==
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== Chaos Space Marines infected with the Obliterator virus will actually the good guys (whatever "good" that means in this universe). ==
My reasoning for this theory? Well, Obliterators are basically living guns, and as our God [[Zardoz]] has said, '''THE GUN IS GOOD.''' They (like most Chaos Space Marines, or for that matter most Space Marines, or most Chaos forces, and in fact most people in this 'verse) like to use most of their time to '''GO FORTH, AND KILL.'''
The ''true'' ultimate evil of Warhammer 40,000 will be the Emperor's Children legion of Chaos Space Marines. In a future update of the fluff, their forces will be enhanced with a Slaaneshi varient of the Obliterator virus, and will be the embodiment of Zardoz's concept of Evil.
== Chaos of [[Ultra Series|Ultraman Cosmos]] and the Chaos of [[Warhammer
Both corruptive, both coming from who knows where, both having a love of destruction, and both will mean the end of sentient life if they win. Anyone want to add summat?
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Emperor help us, when the Chaugle, God of Chairs arrives. CHAIRS FOR THE CHAIR GOD, THRONES FOR THE THRONE THRONE!
* And he was [[The Tick (animation)|Chairface Chippendale]] before his ascension.
** They already did it. Malal(now Malice) is back. In pog form.
*** Clearly, the next army list will be the missing primarchs' legions, corrupted into the most grimdark faction in the galaxy. The Pog Marines shall rise...
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== Games Workshop are secretly worshippers of the Chaos Gods, and their line of toy soldiers is an evil Chaos plot by Tzeentch to get us all addicted for life. ==
I mean, what with [[Crack is Cheaper|crack being cheaper
* Or they are a front organiation for Chaos, as they control [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle|both]] [[Warhammer
== Warhammer 40k happens in [[Real Life]]'s version of the Warp. ==
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== [[No Country for Old Men|Sheriff Ed Tom Bell]] is one of the Lost Primarchs ==
After the Ruinous Powers snatched the young Primarchs from the Emperor on Terra and scattered them across the Galaxy, one of the two that were never found again was Ed Tom. He had been launched back in time to twentieth-century Texas. There, he was found and adopted by a normal human, a la Superman. But the trauma of the journey stunted his growth, so he only became a man of normal stature rather than reaching the imposing size of a normal Primarch, and he aged as a normal man, as well.
His first dream (which he doesn't remember well) is of trying to find his father to get some money, which Ed Tom thinks he lost. The second is of his father leaving him alone in the cold to go ahead and start a fire.
The "father" that Ed Tom sees in both dreams, the man he knows as his father, found and adopted the Ed Tom when he found him as a baby, alone and abandoned, in the Texas desert. The dreams are not really about this man, however. They are about Ed Tom's true father, the God-Emperor of mankind.
The first dream is fragmentary and partially forgotten because Ed Tom was spirited away as an infant, and so had no knowledge of who or what he was, but his latent Psyker abilities have painted him an incomplete picture of this. He knows he has a greater destiny than to be a sheriff in rural Texas. The "money" that his father is going to give him is his rightful destiny as one of the sons of the Emperor and leader of a legion of Space Marines, defending Mankind and building the Imperium. He has the fundamental feeling that he has lost this, which he has, by virtue of being cast back in time and stripped of most of his power.
In the second dream, his father passes him by on a cold mountain pass without pausing to speak, in order to go ahead and light a fire in "all that cold and all that dark." This is about the God Emperor's mission to take the reigns of leadership over Mankind, in order to light a fire of inspiration and hope in the cold, dark distance of the far future. But because of the upset in time, Ed Tom can only stay behind and watch as he goes on ahead. Because Ed Tom was meant to be -and should be- immortal and able to simply take The Slow Path to join the Emperor and his Brother Primarchs in the Great Crusade, he has a moment of hope that whenever he gets there, his father will be waiting. But the same Psyker abilities that fill him in on the past break that hope by giving him the premonition of Horus' betrayal, and his own knowledge reminds him that he is cruelly mortal. And so he wakes up.
It is the knowledge that despite being made and nurtured by the hand of the Emperor himself and bred for the sole purpose of being an immortal, invincible guardian of mankind, he has by a whim of fate been consigned to live and die a mortal man, and that in the face of the infinite, universe-shattering threats the universe holds, he cannot even contend with the evils created by humanity itself that drives him to despair and a defeated retirement.
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* Tyranids are the Wyrm. Necrons are Wraithes and Sidereals. The Mechanical God is the Weaver. Psykers are Mages. The Inquisition started with the Hunters. Chaos are the Yozi. Orks are from the Wyld. And the Tau are [[Genius: The Transgression|geniuses]].
* The Dark Eldar curse is actually a derivative of the curse of Caine. Commoragh is the Enoch of the new millenium.
* The Warp is the Umbra, almost completely dominated by the Wyrm. Each chaos god is a head of the Triatic Wyrm, with Khorne being the Beast of War, Slaanesh being the Eater of Souls, and Nurgle being the Defiler Wyrm. Tzeentch is the last remnant of the Weaver.
* Chaos Spawn are actually Formori in service of the Wyrm. Daemon Princes are what happens when one of them ascends to Incarna level. Rank and file Daemons are simply very powerful Banes.
* The Blood Angels are the remnants of the vampires, who by now are such thin bloods that all that remains of their curse is bloodlust and frenzy.
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The Imperial Guard has by far the longest-ranged artillery of any army in the game, along with the best [[Tank Goodness|metal boxes]], so of course their standard tactic is going to be to blow away their enemies with cannons and ballistic rockets from miles away. The tabletop battles you see involving the Guard? Those are the rare occasions where an enemy got close enough to shoot back. Of course, if an enemy does get close enough to shoot back, or, even worse, launch melee attacks, bad day for the Guard. Still, those would be the only occasions where the Guard would take any serious casualties. Also, all those novels about the badassery of the Imperial Guard.
* Isn't avoiding melee battles and shooting the shit out of your enemies with superior firepower the Tau's tactic?
* Long-range artillery doesn't suffice when your enemy can [[Teleporters and Transporters|freaking teleport]]. Or when their [[Zerg Rush|numbers are endless]]. Or when they are [[Boring Invincible Villain|utterly invincible]]. Or when...well, you get the picture.
** How many of the teleporters can jump inside the range on an ICBM? Also, numbers don't really help against artillery, since the space you have to squeeze those numbers into is finite. The more guys you have bunched up in the blast radius of the shell, the more the shell will kill. And none of the enemies are actually totally invincible, even if they seem that way some of the time.
*** I thought this was pretty much canon. Most wars are decided by the imperial navy showing up and nuking everything from orbit. Most of the rest are decided by the guard showing up with ridiculous amounts of tanks and blowing everything up from over the horizon. Only when important stuff like ancient cathedrals or titan forges is in risk of becoming collateral damage do the dudes with lasguns show up.
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== The Golden Throne is working perfectly fine. ==
Its purpose isn't just to sustain the
** Or perhaps it's meant to let him decay. Sure, Magnus busted its Webway-control functions, but the Emperor ''could'' have left good enough instructions to keep up its life-support functions. That wasn't his plan. If he was ever disabled and forced to fall back on the [[A God Am I]] plan, it was meant to sustain him as a single embodied mind only long enough to build up the necessary worship to face the Chaos Powers as their equal. It is merely the egg from which the true Emperor-God will hatch.
== Warhammer 40k is not the future of Warhammer. ==
It's the past.
* What? I thought it was common knowledge that Warhammer Fantasy took place on a [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Feudal_World feudal world.]
** Nonsense. In the future of Warhammer 40k, something happens that wipes out the Necrons and the Tyranids, while reducing the scale of the conflict to one world.
== The Chaos Gods aren't making the setting grimdark. ==
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== The Machine Cults rituals and prayers work for two reasons ==
Part of in a mnemonic memorisation device. Works especially good for little things like 'The Litany of True Aiming' and helps the actions become automatic, even under high stress conditions. The second is that as humanity is slowly evolving towards and all psychic race they're developing something akin to the latent field that allows Ork technology to work in strange and unusual ways (such as paint colour affecting the speed of their vehicles). The Mechanicum has spent so long convincing their rituals are necessary humanity's growing psychic abilities actively contribute to the success. As a result when the rituals aren't done there is a distinct drop in effectiveness/efficiency which only re-enforces the belief. The success rate of performing [[Percussive Maintenance]] (canonically a measure of aptitude for becoming a tech-priest) is indicative of a person's ability to focus this effect.
** The second part here is nearly-canon...humans and other races with an average-to-better Warp presence influence the Warp whether or not they have obvious [[Psychic Powers]]. There is one main difference between the Orks and the Mechannicum,
== Almost every human soul is absorbed by the Emperor upon death ==
Canon states that the Emperor was basically the manifestation of "thousands" of psykers who committed mass suicide. He is also implied to be greater than the four primary Chaos gods combined. It seems to follow that only a few thousand psykers would need to concentrate to wipe out the gods of Chaos, however we all know this isn't true. Why is the Emperor so powerful? Because being absorbed by him is the "default" setting of the human soul after death. While only a few thousand psykers may not be a match for the Chaos pantheon, the collective souls of every human being over millennia almost certainly is. Only people who directly worship a Chaos deity fail to be absorbed by the Emperor.
* This adds another layer to his reasoning behind spreading the "Imperial Truth." He ensures that people will stop worshiping (and empowering) false/evil gods.
* Furthermore, it adds a layer of Fridge Brilliance to why the Emperor is such a magnificent, godly figure. . . but also kind of a dick. He is humanity made person, with all of our [[Humans Are Special|greatness]], and all of our [[Humans Are
** I award you sir, the internet.
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== [[FATAL]] actually takes place on some Emperor-forgotten backwater of a planet ruled by Slaanesh. ==
I haven't played the game,<ref>I ''am'' more or less sane, after all</ref>
At some point, the Imperium will stumble across them, and an Exterminatus will be carried out a few minutes later.
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The next Chaos god is going to be the [[Yaoi]] God, created from a mad [[Yaoi Fangirl]]! Then, they would rename the taglines as "... in the grim darkness of the far future there is only <s>war</s> '''YAOI'''!" And then, they would add units like [[Uke]] Space Marines, and something like that.
** Eh, already covered. That's a tiny little aspect of Slaanesh.
*** ''All'' Space Marines are [[Seme
**** And Yarrick.
*** Great, the goddess of chaos write Harry/Ron and Aku Roku fics in her spare time.
*** Where else do you find such a concentration of [[Hurt
**** Give me five minutes on Google, I'll find something.
**** [http://ikoru-shirou.deviantart.com/art/Bishounenhammer-40k-171887800?q=boost%3Apopular+warhammer+yaoi&qo=17 BEHOLD, THIS EXISTS!!!]{{Dead link}}
== 40K is secretly the most [[Anvilicious]] work. EVER. ==
Despite the presence of at least two definite [[Space Whale Aesop
** The Imperium: Don't be an overly paranoid racist who gets angry at anyone different or you'll be making enemies faster than you could pick up a gun.
*** Also, the [[
*** There's also one about [["Well Done, Son" Guy]]: respect your kids or they'll go [[Oedipus Complex]] on your ass.
**** Argh. Too tired to think of any more.
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== Early First Edition was an [[Alternate Timeline]]. ==
The [[For Want of a Nail|divergence point]] was very
== The Tyranids are actually the physical incarnation of [[Warhammer Fantasy|The Maw]]. ==
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The Void Dragon influenced the creation of Skynet, allowing it control over Skynet, and in turn, allowing Skynet to rise up against humanity. This was all part of a millenia-long, albeit failed, [[Xanatos Gambit]] by Void Dragon to have an army that could punish humanity and release it from its prison underneath Mars.
The robot war was the start of the Dark Age of Technology, with the war for survival prompting humanity to begin colonization of space and jumps in technology. The eventual defeat of Skynet's Terminators left humanity in shambles, starting the Age of Strife. All of this is forgotten since the Emperor, the only one who would remember this, decided to suppress this information for the good of humanity; and the Eldar see no ideological difference between the Necrons and the Necrontyr. Also, the Iron Men STC found by Gaunt were the plans for the original Terminators.
The C'tan control over Skynet is what also allows the other C'tan to command Terminators/Necrons, since Skynet no longer exists to facilitate commands to the Termicrons. All the inert and slumbering Tomb Worlds are Termicron colonies on stand-by, waiting for eventual orders.
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== The Tau actually are the Good Guys ==
The concentration camps (or whatever they are) are obviously Imperial propaganda (hell, most of the Tau codex is told from the point of view of the Imperium. Devilfish, Manta, Piranha skimmers, Hammerheads, all are Terran fish names given to Tau vehicles by the Imperium), the translation devices given to the Vespid really are just that, translation devices, not mind control devices (for starters, Vespid Strain leaders aren't Fearless, as they would be if mind controlled, and Commander Shadowsun's ability to let any Tau unit or Vespid unit with a strain leader (who has a translator) use her Leadership for Morale checks, as the strain leader would relay what she is saying to his squad), etc etc.
* Mind you, even if there ''was'' some degree of thruth to those rumors, the Tau would ''still'' be good guys compared to everyone else...which says a lot.
== The [[Avatar (film)|Na'vi]] are Exodite Eldars ==
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And while a lot of ado is mentioned about the Tyranids theoretically having the power of the biomass in the Galaxy, the first and second most numerous collections of Biomass (Orcs and Humans) aren't restricted to just organic matter for their firepower. In the end, the Tyranids will run out of Biomass it can access before the residents of the Galaxy run out of Bullets, Plasma, Tanks, Starships, Powered Armor, Bolters, and lasgun charges. The Tyranids will go SPLAT like bugs on a windshield against the Might of the Imperium or the Orkish WAAAGHHH! At that point, they'll become like Orks in that they're scattered about the galaxy trying to eat enough to rebuild their swarms (Just as the spores of defeated orcs try to regrow)... but they, unlike the orks, don't terraform the land around them to be more hospitable to their kind (If I remember, Orks grow all sorts of Squiggoths and Orkish plants from the same spores they grow from to ensure their survival), and they require Hive ships to eat and multiply and the time to do it in, while all Orks need to repopulate are microscopic spores and a bit of time.
* This is true as the new material say that YES the Tyranids are a major threat, and that YES the Necrons are a serious threat, and that YES the Orks are also a serious threat, but here's a few things... the tyranids ''are'' a galaxy wide plague, but the main Hive swarms are tied up with the Orks. The Necrontyr are extremely dangerous, but they've got nearly nothing to them. Only a few dozen tomb's are active, hundreds are corrupted or destroyed, and, all in all, billions of years have taken their toll upon these killer machines. The Eldar aren't doing much, since they don't have the numbers. The Dark Eldar simply cannot afford to get into a massive war, so they are simply pirates. The Tau, on the other hand, have problems of their own, and are using resources to fight of BOTH alien invasions, and a Warp Storm. The Orks, being Orks, are heading for the biggest fights they can find, so they're just fighting everywhere. At the moment, everyone is pretty much leaving the imperial empire alone, 'cept for the latest Black Crusade, who have seen the state of the galaxy, and think it's a great time to invade. The Imperium, meanwhile, is protecting it's borders, and dealing with the 13th invasion by Failbaddon.
* Necrons are mostly local problem - it's about holding a habitable or resource rich planet. If the body in question had zero value for the Imperium at this point, Navy can blast it until they cannot detect anything other than half-molten gravel, and then declare quarantine over an area in which the resulting cloud of debris is discernible with a telescope, like it happened at Skopios. Tyranid swarms on surface would be little more than big juicy lance targets too, but bugs got silly amount of krakens, hive ships and whatnot to keep the Navy busy, and they disrupt astropathic communications, so the help may come too late and/or not prepared for the particular enemy.
== Things are just as GRIMDARK for the Tyranids as the Imperium and Eldar ==
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* How does this work with Tzeentch who is the god of hope the polar opposite of fear.
** Not really. We don't fear instead of hope, we hope in the face of fear, just as we can respond to fear with senseless violence (Khorne), mindless indulgence (Slaanesh), or apathetic acceptance (Nurgle).
*** Pity that fear is already a small portion of Nurgle's sphere of influence.
== The favoured warriors of Tzeentch are... the Space Wolves ==
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When I started in Third Edition, Eldar were the gorilla in the room for one reason: fast. They were above and beyond the army for fast mechanized forces, and they ran circles around everyone. It fit their fluff. Thing is, other races got into the gambit, and now the ultra-fast mechanized attack squad is as much or more a Space marine tactic, and the new Dark Eldar codex has taken over the mantle of ultra-quick, heavily armed vehicles. Eldar need something new to fit their fluff. Thing is Fifth Edition also introduced something else that the game hasn't seen in a while, really powerful Psykers. I've heard a number of complaints that Marine and Guard Psykers out-power anything in the older codexes, even in Eldar and Chaos that fluff-wise should perhaps have stronger ones. But notice that Imperium Psykers seem to lean heavily towards the “blow stuff up” end of the powers scale. Eldar Psykers could be the answer to their lack of a distinctive army style, in the form of board manipulation. Eldar Psykers could get more abilities like Eldrad's Divination, say “move target allied unit within 12” up to 2d6” in a chosen direction.” I'm keeping my idea to allies to avoid the complaints that Lash of Submission still produces, but it'd still open up an entire new set of exploits that would go a long way to making the Eldar into [[Difficult but Awesome]], which is my impression of what they have been intended to be.
The second thing the Eldar lack is positive fan identification in the form of a tie-in story, a la the Ciaphas Cain and Gaunt's Ghosts novels. I don't think Pirates of the Caribbean: Yriel Edition is a good idea, but it still remains that the one major fan-followed Eldar character is Eldrad Ulthran, and he's looking pretty dead. I think this could actually be the start of the story the Eldar need. Have a young prophet rise up, say Q'sandria the student from the codex, saying that Eldrad's presence in the Warp is in order to jumpstart the rise of Ynnead and go on a long campaign to unite the craftworlds in harvesting souls to feed the birth of the new God, and you've got the makings of a novel series that has the kind of creepy, disquieting but powerful premise that fits the Eldar fluff but can still be compelling to readers, watching the race unite under the banner of what amounts to a carefully organized mass suicide while the forces around them try to thwart their fragile, careful plans. Each of the craftworlds can join for their own reasons and bring their own methods and issues, for example Iyanden offering the wealth of it's Infinity Circuit but requiring that the God incubate for some time in the Craftworld to honor the lost, or Saim-Hann wanting to feed the God the souls of “lesser” races and thus clashing with the more doctrinaire Ulthwe Seers. The Picture of the Eldar moves away from The Dying Race to a more interesting and compelling patchwork of survivalists uniting under their new hope, created in the same way as their greatest foe.
Obviously, this'll take a while to do, but it'd be an interesting result of the army's current decline. I can even think of how this could potentially screw with things and make the setting worse, if Ynnead wakes up and decides that it isn't satisfied with the Eldar souls it's been fed, and maybe its corrupted with other souls in it as well. Suddenly the Deceiver isn't the only C'Tan with an Eldar God counterpart wandering around. And besides, the Eldar as a united force with renewed hope for reestablishing galactic dominance is not something the Imperium really wants to consider right now.
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== [[The Power of Love]] could easily turn the tides of the battle by weakening The Chaos Gods ==
Sounds really stupid at first given how dark the setting is, but taking account that The Immaterium is the collective psyche of all sentinent beings in the galaxy, if a considerable amount of defectors drom decadence formed another faction made from their alliance with each other, if they changed their way of life to a more peaceful, caring and stable one and just resorted to violence when defending themmselves from other factions, the gods and daemons from The Warp would either take a severe blow in their strenghts or start transforming into more benevolent entities, specially Khorne who relies on violence and war to keep powerful, and Nurgle, who is the god of despair and decay. This shift in the balance of power would make things a lot easier for the other factions, now being able to concentrate on the Tyranids, the Necrons and the Orks. Seeing that following the Defectors ais a good idea, more and more people would migrate to Defector's territory to improve their way of life, which further weakens the Chaos.
Of course, all of this is easier said than done given how convulted and confilctive this verse is.
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== The [http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Angry_Marines Angry Marines] are descendents of the Imperial Fists. ==
I know, I know, a [[Wild Mass Guessing]] about a [[Joke Character|homebrew chapter...]] Anyway...
The first clue is their colour scheme, but when we take a look at the Imperial Fists' history, we can find some other things that tend to relate those two chapters. The Imperial fists are known for being among the most ruthless chapters of the Imperium, and as being particularly violent. They're the ones who held the last lines of defense during the siege of Terra, and boy, did they give the traitors a hard time... The chapters created from them tend to display similar levels of toughness : the Crimson Fists, instead of trying to recover from the destruction of their chapterworld, continue to fight with all they've got in one last, extended blaze of glory ; while the Black templars started a millenia-long crusade against everything that threatens the Imperium, picking up fights wherever is necessary and without any restraints, without having necessarily been asked to intervene. Another element is that after the Horus Heresy, the Imperial Fists were vehemently opposed to Guilliman's Codex Astartes, to the point of almost starting another civil war, before they'd reluctantly agree to follow its principles on certain conditions (and the Black Templars even publicly show they don't give a damn about the Codex Astartes). Even though it's treated as comedy [[Take That, Scrappy!|and as a way of showing to Games Workshop what 4chan thinks of the Ultramarines]], the Angry Marines have frequently flipped the bird to the Ultramarines and the Codex Astartes. So, either they've been created from the most unstable elements of the Imperial Fists, or they've split up because they were disgusted that their brethen would give in to the Ultramarines' demands.
== Chaos will ultimately be defeated by a power older than even the C'tan ==
But not one which actually hates them, as they can not truely hate, but only get annoyed at the mess that they make. They see the Chaos Gods as being the sum of everything they disaprove of, sloppy crude thinking that gets in the way of the efficient running of the universe, simply piling up the paperwork. Ultimately when chaos ends, the last moments of the chaos gods shall be witnessed by trillions opon trillions of identical grey empty robes floating which will tell the fading beings this...
[[Discworld|"To be an individual is to Live, and to Live is to Die"
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Primarchs will also return as their father is resurrected. Not just the loyalists, but traitors as well. Here's how it's gonna go down:
Lion el'Jonson and Roboute Guilliman will revive, mostly because they have sensed their father's soul awakening. Vulkan, Russ, Corax, and the Khan all return as well, knowing that they have critical tasks ahead of them: the Imperium must be reforged as it was during the Great Crusade.
Alpharius/Omegon, realizing that the galactic stage has changed so much that their gambit no longer matters, will return to Terra, bringing the Alpha Legion with them.
Here's where it gets interesting. A few actual traitor primarchs (Alpharius doesn't count, for reasons that are obvious if you've read Legion) will attempt to return to the side of good, and each will be given a herculean task to complete. Fulgrim's possessing daemon is destroyed by the psychic shock of the Emperor's return. His body slowly returning to its former perfection, Fulgrim fights his way out of the Eye of Terror, begging forgiveness from the Emperor. He is absolved. A few renegade chapters, now returning to the fold of the Imperium, are handed over to Fulgrim's command until the Emperor's Children can be rebuilt as a legion proper. Fulgrim's task: recruit the Eldar and Tau as allies in a war against the Chaos/Necron/Tyranid threat.
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== Every time the Inquisition orders an Exterminatus, [[Hoist by His Own Petard|Chaos just gets more powerful]]. ==
From Kyras' speech at the end of Retribution:
{{quote|"In mere hours, billions will die! '''Innocent!''' Guilty! Strong and weak! Honest and deceitful! ALL of them! They will scream, they will burn, and for '''no purpose but that mighty Khorne may revel in their bloodshed!'''}}
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== The origins of the Adeptus Mechanicus is in the Dark Age of Technology ==
From the Lexicanum ''The Age of Technology is thus considered "dark" in the Imperium's current age. It is also considered a dark age '''because mankind in the Age of Technology had come to worship science as God.''''' (emphasis mine) What is the basic tenent of the Cult Mechanicus? Knowledge is the supreme manifestation of divinity. It's possible that the Cult Mechanicus grew out of the distant and half-formed memories of the science-religion of the DAOT, keeping the basic ideas alive in a way that would be completely alien to the residents of the Golden Age of Mankind.
* Isn't this canon already?
== There are no aliens or Chaos gods. ==
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** The Dark Eldar codex used to open with the line "This is a tale of evil incarnate" that stance has not changed over time.
*** They do seem to do what they do in order to survive; perhaps given the proper alternative, they might stop their current course of action?
** Chaos has always had a lighter side, people like Magnus The Red who join chaos out of desperation or simply misguided fools who believed they could save people with the power of Chaos the problem being that Chaos corrupts entirely turning paragons of righteousnesses into bloodthirsty berserkers and the light.
== One of the missing primarchs was a pariah ==
It makes sense in that every primarch has his own "hat," as it were. Psychological warfare primarch? Check. Humanitarian primarch? Check. Unconventional warfare primarch? Check. There isn't, however a pariah. It also makes sense that this primarch would be ejected from the Imperium's memory. The general hate most people develop towards pariahs might almost be enough, but then the fridge horror sets in: because Astartes tend to take on the qualities of their primarch, aspirants of this particular missing legion lose their souls. Knowing the 40k universe, the process would be particularly unpleasant.
* What's more horrifying is that since he is a Primarch he probably wouldn't have just been a regular Pariah, but an immensely powerful pariah. Considering that a modified human pariah (Spear) was capable of killing the emperor, imagine what a Primarch level Pariah could do. Hell the emperor probably couldn't even pick him up in person like he did when he found the rest of the Primarchs.
** Pariahs can be overwhelmed by too powerful Warp entities, too. But either way there probably were no hugs.
* Then he is likely to have something to do with the Sisters of Silence. And/or the Emperor, knowing well what his main enemies are, kept this "secret weapon" out of limelight. Unfortunately, he had to teleport onto a ship for the final showdown, so the biggest ace up the sleeve was left behind and not used - bad luck or Chaos trickery?
== One of the missing primarchs is Duke Nukem ==
Time travel has been established as being possible (orks killing themselves in the past to get their favorite gun twice and whatnot), so it is entirely possible that the two missing primarchs ended up lost in time, rather than just in space like the other 18. Perhaps one went to the past, and ended up being the most absurd insane super human in the history of the universe, Duke Nukem. While he might not quite have the same height as some of the other primarchs (who were much taller than normal humans; estimates seem to run from around
* His legion would naturally be called the Steel Balls.
== Tzeentch has [[Gargoyles|David]] [[Xanatos Gambit|Xanatos]], [[Death Note|Light Yagami]], and [[Code Geass|Lelouch vi Britannia]] as his three most elite and powerful Daemon Princes. ==
Of course, they all jockey for the top position (Xanatos would naturally fancy himself as Tzeentch's [[Shout-Out|"Number One"]]), which not only involves their own schemes but also the sabotage of their rivals' plans. All of this, naturally, is according to Tzeentch's [[
== The Chaos Gods were incarnated in the image of their respective race's concept of ultimate evil. ==
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== Warhammer 40000 exists in the Fallout timeline. ==
* The Blood Ravens seem to be obsessed with collecting tech, like the Brotherhood of Steel.
* Green-skinned homicidal
* The Forced Evolutionary Virus could be a Warp-based mutagenic
* The status quo in the 41st Millennium remains constant, a war without end. And war... war never changes.
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== Lorgar was abused as a child by Kor Phaeron ==
Firstly, Kor always calls him dismissively "boy". Secondly, during the scene in The First Heretic {{spoiler|Lorgar has brands in places he shouldn't be able to reach on his own}}
== Chaos is [[
Isn't it pretty obvious? First, the number of Chaos Gods. Four. 4. Chan. Second, the concept of daemons. Thoughts and beliefs turning alive... like, sentient memes? Third, the Warp is basically the [[Id, Superego and Ego|Id]] of the entire universe, a chaotic realm with no rules and laws while dominated by various memes. Again. Like 4chan, the Id of the Internet. And the fourth and the most important. Chaos Gods themselves. Khorne represents the rage and hate-machinery of the Anonymous, Slaanesh represents the [[Rule 34]] and the idea of [[The Internet Is for Porn]], Tzeentch represents Anonymous' surprising intelligence and [[Magnificent Bastard
== China took over the world and became the Imperium. ==
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== The Earth in the ''Neon Genesis Evangelion'' universe is actually an Emperor-forgotten world cut off from the Imperium eons ago. ==
And then an Inquisitor discovers the devastated world and orders Exterminatus, having found signs of yet another [[Eldritch Abomination|nightmare monsters]] that are 19th and more Angels. And then the said nightmare monsters wake up and eat the star fleets sent to the planet. And invade other planets as well. Cue the White Crusade (named for the body color of those monsters).
== Alternatively, the Instrumentalized humans from ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' evolve into the Warp, and Shinji, with his newfound god-like powers, becomes the God-emperor of Mankind ==
No, not [[Shinji and Warhammer40K
== The Emperor is [[Sailor Moon|Sailor Cosmos with her mind taken over first by Sailor Venus and then by Sailor Galaxia, and the Old Ones were the Silver Millennium]] ==
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== Nurgle is going to win and turn every single soul into broken slaves. ==
Second Law of Thermodynamics and sheer amount of despair will bring victory to Nurgle. There, Nurgle will eat every soul, break them into slavery, turn them into pale, shaded excrement of their former selves, and attach their decapitated and beheaded torsos (or spiritual equivalent of it) to neurons so that his realm would be powered by their sheer misery and despair. It's such a horrific fate that even Slaanesh's tortures are orgasmically pleasurable in comparison.
* It is a fate so horrific that it tears a hole into the space, time, and even the Warp itself. Thus the world is [[Divide by Zero|divided by zero and ends.]]
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== Related to the above Nurgle-the-good-guy theory, Nurgle's true form is [[Beauty Equals Goodness|mind-blowingly beautiful]] and [[Light Is Good|full of light.]] ==
So beautiful, Slaanesh is nothing against him. Nurgle appears to be putrid and disgusting only because the mortals are so afraid of dying and decay. His followers, however, can see his true form.
* So it's like ''[[Saya no Uta]]''?
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* Imperium of Man: The vast majority who lives under the boot of an inefficient bureaucracy/dictatorship
* The Eldar: those lucky, virtuous few individuals smart enough to do some (futile) contribution to the world
* Dark Eldar: [[Corrupt Corporate Executive
* Chaos and the Daemons: our technology turning against us
** That's Necrons.
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== The Emperor and The Chaos Gods are not [[Evil Counterpart|evil counterparts]] to each other. ==
The Chaos gods are already [[Evil Counterpart
== Angron's followers on his home planet had already been tainted by Khorne. ==
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* One of the Lost Primarchs [[Stable Time Loop|is the Emperor himself]]!
== [[Warhammer
Because honestly, what word [[Crapsack World|better describes this universe.]] It's a hell without end. Of course, this means the God Emperor is Jesus, and the Great Crusade was the Harrowing of Hell. He died for your sins!
* The Chaos Gods are the [[Horsemen of the Apocalypse]]. [[The Berserker|Khorne is War]](because of how [[Ax Crazy]] he is), [[The Chessmaster|Tzeentch is Conquest]] (he's a huge [[Magnificent Bastard]]), [[Body Horror|Nurgle is Pestilence]] ([[Affably Evil|Papa Nurgle loves all living things]], [[Plaguemaster|including pathogens]]), [[Sense Freak|Slaneesh is Famine]] (his/her worshippers are starved for more and more pleasure), and [[Omnicidal Maniac|Malal is Death.]]
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== Eventionally, the Tau are going to rule the Galaxy ==
As the only people in the entire Milky Way that actually are improving their tech, it stands to reason that given time, their reverse-engineering skills and technological prowess will trump of all the others. In only a short 6 thousand years they have went from "spear wielding people on planet not important enough for the Imperium to bother with" to "killing you with rail guns." The horrors of the Chaos, the determination of Man, the hunger of the Tyranids, the elegance of the Eldar, the [[More Dakka|Dakka]] of the Orks can deal with the Tau now, but about in a thousand years, or the next ten thousand?
The only thing I can see the preventing the Tau from doing this is how far they will take the "Greater Good," although considering how badly #@$^ed the rest of the universe is, taking it over may actually be for the best.
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It's obvious.
* More like Sun Tzu is a Tzeentchian Daemon Prince.
** Well, Creed managed to be Tactical Genius without that…
== Legionnaires of the Damned are a subset of Living Saints who were Space Marines ==
([https://np.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/ij8o2c/shower_thought_theory_legionnaires_of_the_damned/ from 40kLore Reddit, by Borreload_Dragon])
Effectively, both are Emperor's equivalent of daemons/daemon princes and pop up where the Imperium needs them the most. As to the appearance — it follows the function… and they are literally angels of death now.
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