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== [[~~Warhammer 40000 (Tabletop Game)|~~Warhammer 40000]] ==

== [[Warhammer 40000]] ==

== Chaos has already won ==

Think about it. They're gods of chaos, and [[Crapsack World|what place is more chaotic than the Warhammer 40k world?]] There's more than enough war to sate Khorne, scheming for Tzeentch, hubris for Slaanesh and Despair for Nurgle as it is, and it's basically a giant hell already. All the fighting is just the four chaos gods revelling in their own chaos-ness and playing off the mortals against each other for the lulz.

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** well then all that's left is for a redeemed Horus.

* Some more Standard Template Constructs are discovered. In addition, the Tau and the Eldar find a couple more, and (after the Tau reverse engineer the hell out of them) sell them for humans with a moderately high price. With them, the Imperium's technology advances with some gigantic leaps.

* With the friendlier attitude of humans and Eldar to them, the Tau can spread across the galaxy far faster than ever before. Some of them even go and [[The ~~Hitchhikers~~ Guide to ~~The~~ Galaxy|hitchhike across the galaxy]] along in human and Eldar ships, all the way to the other side of the galaxy. And of course, their technology is getting better still.

* With the friendlier attitude of humans and Eldar to them, the Tau can spread across the galaxy far faster than ever before. Some of them even go and [[The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy|hitchhike across the galaxy]] along in human and Eldar ships, all the way to the other side of the galaxy. And of course, their technology is getting better still.

* With Slaanesh gone, the Laughing God emerges from the Webway, and travels around in his quest to find every single piece of Khaine and glue him back together. Khaine returns as well, and together the gods of Death, War, and Trickery, lead the Eldar against the Chaos and Necrons.

* But then it's going to get a tad worse as well: The Dark Eldar join forces with the Emperor's Children, as both have lost their god and are all alone and orphaned. They travel across the Webway with no direction or goal whatsoever, fighting absolutely anything and everything coming to their way, being now utterly and compeletely unpredictable. Oh and, as the Emperor's Children learn of the Webway, they give access to it for all the other Chaos Marines as well, who use it to strike just about anywhere. Abbadon's 14th crusade goes through the Webway, allowing him to go past Cadia and appear all of sudden at the other side of the galaxy.

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** Oh, and this includes healing miracles. The obvious way to attack the necrons is to "heal" them. They aren't so formidable in the flesh, without all that metal. It does have the disadvantages that necrons out of healing range will be kinda annoyed. (In-universe disadvantage. Out-of-universe: More action figures!)

** Or it will escalate once the God Emperor gets-up/dies making the chaos work 10 times harder to hold him off by haing the gods ally and create units with composite traits of gods, the orks will get more dakka (perhaps, maybe, if it could, something close to in some way, enuff dakka), more of the nids will show up cause GE is is 100X more a psychic beacon when walking then before thus bringing new unit types in, the tau finally get the wrap stuff down and become 1337 at using it, the eldar have a conference and pool their resources to build greater wraithbone stuffs, it turns out the GE was sitting on the new dark eldar codex and someone yoinks it once he gets up, the necrons wake up some more horrible contraptions (possibly as a response to the massive wrap signature), Space marines get GE as an HQ + gear to match his great crusade + maybe another founding, Sisters split on the inside (GE was against being a god) so 1/2 stay rather similar but another 1/2 become much more calm and professional, IG gets new tanks in his name, did I miss anyone? PS Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, get a model as the god emperor's human champion as Warmaster Caiphas Cain, His Emperor's Hammer. Had to have Cain involved.

** Yes, you missed the missing Primarchs. What the heck, ''all'' the missing primarchs, including the dead loyalist ones. The souls of all the Imperial faithful have indeed been taken in by the Emperor, and will manifest themselves in this fight. [[Ciaphas Cain]], [[~~Gaunts~~ Ghosts|Ibram Gaunt]], the whole nine yards.

** Yes, you missed the missing Primarchs. What the heck, ''all'' the missing primarchs, including the dead loyalist ones. The souls of all the Imperial faithful have indeed been taken in by the Emperor, and will manifest themselves in this fight. [[Ciaphas Cain]], [[Gaunt's Ghosts|Ibram Gaunt]], the whole nine yards.

* Someone will FINALLY acquire enuff Dakka.

** There is NEVER enuff' Dakka!

* Further evidence that it will get better: recall that the 40k 'verse is essentially a [[Darker and Edgier~~|darker and edgier~~]] version of [[Dark Age Europe|the European Dark Ages]], [[Up to Eleven|turned up to eleven]] and [[Recycled in Space|IN SPACE]]. All the loosely connected, inter-warring states are held together by a paranoid, anti-intellectual and [[Nineteen Eighty-Four|Orwellian]] [[Corrupt Church~~|corrupt church~~]] that [[Burn the Witch|burns heretics]] and generally does exactly the opposite of what their martyr-god intended. They have an extremely dim view on the inner workings of the technology left behind by the civilization they crawled out of the ruins of (Rome/the Dark Age of Technology). The elite Space Marines are the [[Knight Templar|Knights bravely serving their God by killing anyone who doesn't comply to their standards of species, genetic purity, and faith]]. The Eldar are the Pagans who once flourished before the advent of the Imperium, but whose civilization is now facing extinction (like due to being burned by the Church as witches), and we have the [[Rape, Pillage and Burn|Dark Eldar/Orks]] as the pirates and war-obsessed Norse barbarians, with the Dark Eldar covering the rape and Orks covering more of the pillaging and burning. And the Necrons and Tyranids kind of both combine to represent the Black Death, what with the 'nids parasitically devouring everything like a plague, and the 'crons for carrying the imagery of an inexorable, implacable, menacingly slow-walking Death that the bubonic plague was associated with. Meanwhile, the Tau is of course the burgeoning Asian Civilizations (like Ancient China, India and the Arabic civilizations) which despite being isolated managed to flourish while the once-glorious West burns. ''Why'' does all this mean that things will take a turn for the better? Well, because since this is the Dark Ages there has to be a '''Renaissance!!!'''

* Further evidence that it will get better: recall that the 40k 'verse is essentially a [[Darker and Edgier]] version of [[Dark Age Europe|the European Dark Ages]], [[Up to Eleven|turned up to eleven]] and [[Recycled in Space|IN SPACE]]. All the loosely connected, inter-warring states are held together by a paranoid, anti-intellectual and [[Nineteen Eighty-Four|Orwellian]] [[Corrupt Church]] that [[Burn the Witch|burns heretics]] and generally does exactly the opposite of what their martyr-god intended. They have an extremely dim view on the inner workings of the technology left behind by the civilization they crawled out of the ruins of (Rome/the Dark Age of Technology). The elite Space Marines are the [[Knight Templar|Knights bravely serving their God by killing anyone who doesn't comply to their standards of species, genetic purity, and faith]]. The Eldar are the Pagans who once flourished before the advent of the Imperium, but whose civilization is now facing extinction (like due to being burned by the Church as witches), and we have the [[Rape, Pillage and Burn|Dark Eldar/Orks]] as the pirates and war-obsessed Norse barbarians, with the Dark Eldar covering the rape and Orks covering more of the pillaging and burning. And the Necrons and Tyranids kind of both combine to represent the Black Death, what with the 'nids parasitically devouring everything like a plague, and the 'crons for carrying the imagery of an inexorable, implacable, menacingly slow-walking Death that the bubonic plague was associated with. Meanwhile, the Tau is of course the burgeoning Asian Civilizations (like Ancient China, India and the Arabic civilizations) which despite being isolated managed to flourish while the once-glorious West burns. ''Why'' does all this mean that things will take a turn for the better? Well, because since this is the Dark Ages there has to be a '''Renaissance!!!'''

** That means Warhammer 40k will end like this: The Imperium deposes the [[Corrupt Church]] (most possibly through the awakening of the Emperor or after a terrible Nid/necron-induced apocalypse, or we can do it as [[Real Life]] had done it, through the the discovery of an STC that describes the Scientific Method in all its glory), succumbs to an explosion of intellectualism and rediscovery, discovers a new warp drive that doesn't rely on passing through the Warp itself and is infinitely more reliable, and expands across the far reaches of outer space [[Star Trek|where no man has ever gone before]], ultimately reaching [[Star Wars|a galaxy far, far away where]] [[Eagle Land|a new republic is established]]. The [[Yellow Peril|Tau]] will probably have new advancements in technology, establish a powerful empire "For The Greater Good" and become powerful rivals or allies against humanity. Eldar would also try to make their own empire to rival or become allies with the Imperium and Tau. With the Age of Reason revived, more and powerful weapons are developed, and the Imperium, Eldar and Tau, with some Orks, would be allied against the 'Nids, Necrons, sundry other Eldritch horrors that besiege the galaxy on all sides, or other rogue Ork waaaaghs. Of course, there's no modern world if it wasn't for some vestigial remnants of the old Imperium that are lead and reunited by [[Adolf Hitler|a megalomaniac who is as powerful as the Emperor in terms of psychic powers and charisma, yet is an utter psychopath like a combination of Chaos and the past Imperial church]], [[World War Two|which causes the final awesome battle that will decide the fate of the Milky Way Galaxy]].

*** Also, with the death of [[Adolf Hitler|the powerful chaos-corrupted megalomaniac]], two ways of life will emerge as dominant. One is the old secular economic system of Terra during the Dark Age of Technology, the other is the philosophy of the Greater Good, with the Tau having used the Great War to establish itself as a superpower. To seal permanent communication with all sentient life that exists, humanity created a [[The Internet|massive network]] (probably what the emperor originally intended, a Webway Network through the Warp). Meanwhile, after being exterminatused, the Eldar started to redirect their squicky ways to the creation of [[Anime|new popular media]] (while the Dark Eldar opted for the [[Hentai|alternative]]), and it proved too efficient, being popular throughout the said network. The rest of Chaos (except for Tzeentch) was ultimately sealed and split between two rival groups: [[Four Chan|a squick-infested wretched Hive Mind in the Interstellar Network]], and [[Church of Happyology|a small cult of xenos]]. The "Greater Good" soon proved itself inefficient, the Emperor and the Chaos Gods start to lose their powers and popularity most likely due to [[Richard Dawkins|that person]], and meanwhile at the new republic in the galaxy far, far away Tzeentch took the form of [[Barack Obama|a black man]]..... Why all of this? Because History repeats itself.

* Alternatively, Tzeentch (the god of HOPE) turns out to have been [[Good All Along]], his insane and seemingly pointlessly complicated plans were actually instrumental in preventing the other 3 chaos gods, the necrons, and the tyranids from gang raping the rest of the galaxy.

** He does that for all races actually. If everyone dies he has no one to change their ways. If the world wasn't crapsack no one would have hope, because everything would be all right. He needs to keep everyone at the status quo to foster hope AND change.

* If any of the theories about the Imperium, the Eldar, and the Tau forming an alliance come to pass, a band will be formed with members from all three races and they will play a cover of ''[[~~Iron Savior (Music)|~~Iron Savior]]'''s [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyGIP5Gv3s0 "Predators"]. Because if things are getting un-grimdarkified then the forces of good/order will need some heroic music.

* If any of the theories about the Imperium, the Eldar, and the Tau forming an alliance come to pass, a band will be formed with members from all three races and they will play a cover of ''[[Iron Savior]]'''s [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyGIP5Gv3s0 "Predators"]. Because if things are getting un-grimdarkified then the forces of good/order will need some heroic music.

== It's actually gonna' get worse. ==

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*** Because the universe has been cleared of all life, every link to the warp is closed off. Then, somewhere, someday, Terra develops life without the help of the Warp and suddenly discovers how to make fire. Cue the real world happening.

**** You win one (1) internets.

* Just see ''[[The Shape of the Nightmare To Come]]''.

* Just see ''[[The Shape of the Nightmare to Come]]''.

== [[Just As Planned|Everything's going according to keikaku!!!]] ==

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** Perhaps Akihiko is an [[Expy]] of the Emperor?

* So what does that make the Protagonist, who was (at least at the time) much more powerful than Akihiko at the time?

** The [[Unreal Tournament 2004 ~~(Video Game)~~|Holy Shit to Akihiko's Godlike]].

** The [[Unreal Tournament 2004|Holy Shit to Akihiko's Godlike]].

** Let's see. He spends most of the game gathering power by telling people what they want or need to hear, resulting in enlightenment for both him and the person he's <s>manipulating</s> befriending. He has the power to rapidly switch between various styles of magical abilities on the fly by putting on and replacing personas. His color theme is mostly blue. {{spoiler|And at the end of the game, his soul ends up trapped in a metaphysical place outside reality as we know it where time doesn't work right, where he is fated to do battle with the [[Anthropomorphic Personification]] of despair for all eternity.}} You get three guesses as to who that makes him, and the first two don't count. Any problems him being the Lord of Change causes the timeline can be handwaved by the general weirdness of time in the Warp. IIRC, Tzeentch has a favored creepy herald/servant he uses as an emissary outside the Warp: it could be Elizabeth, Aigis, or both, elevated to the level of a Demon Prince (although Elizabeth may have qualified as a [[Eldritch Abomination|minor deity]] to begin with).

** What would Philemon be, then?

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== The Alpha Legion Primarch Alpharius is not dead. ==

Who is said to have killed Alpharius? The Ultramarines, the proudest Chapter of Space Marines in the Imperium. And what would be a prouder achievement than having killed a rogue Primarch? Also, Alpharius was a [[Magnificent Bastard]], so the Ultramarines could have killed a clone, a robot, a hologram.... That way, Alpharius could control the Alpha Legion without anyone trying to kill him. This would perfectly fit with the Alpha Legion's record of convoluted strategies, and would explain why the Alpha Legion weren't terribly distressed about the "death" of their Primarch.

* [[Death Note ~~(Manga)~~|"Just as planned."]]

* [[Death Note|"Just as planned."]]

* If you read ''Legion'', {{spoiler|Alpharius has a twin named Omegon. One of them must still be out there}}. So you're more correct than you might think.

** Wait, Alpharius is a Primarch, so saying he has a twin means that Omegon must a) be a Primarch too and b) be one of the 2 missing Primarchs!!

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== The various source-books and other materials dripping with [[Darker and Edgier|GRIMDARK]] are anti-Imperial propaganda. ==

Almost every sourcebook in the game presents its subject as a terrible, nigh-unstoppable foe of the Imperium who will surely doom its last futile struggles. Yet the literature-especially the accounts of [[Ciaphas Cain]] and [[~~Gaunts~~ Ghosts|Ibram Gaunt]]- often demonstrates the courage and professionalism of the Imperial Guard at its best and often and portrays the Imperium and the Imperial Faith in a much more positive light. Clearly, the doomsday predictions and extreme dystopian elements of the various sourcebooks are either anti-Imperial propaganda or only apply to the Imperium in broad generalities.

Almost every sourcebook in the game presents its subject as a terrible, nigh-unstoppable foe of the Imperium who will surely doom its last futile struggles. Yet the literature-especially the accounts of [[Ciaphas Cain]] and [[Gaunt's Ghosts|Ibram Gaunt]]- often demonstrates the courage and professionalism of the Imperial Guard at its best and often and portrays the Imperium and the Imperial Faith in a much more positive light. Clearly, the doomsday predictions and extreme dystopian elements of the various sourcebooks are either anti-Imperial propaganda or only apply to the Imperium in broad generalities.

* "''Thought for the Day: It is better for a man to be afraid than happy.''" The various source-books and other materials dripping with GRIMDARK are ''Imperial'' propaganda. The Imperium is a loose empire that spans the entire galaxy. It can take months for messages to get back and forth to some of the more isolated worlds, and even longer to bring forces to bear on any particular point. The only thing keeping most systems from declaring independence from this soul-crushingly oppressive regime is the knowledge that (allegedly) there are a thousand nameless horrors waiting just out of sight to tear them to pieces, and it is only the inexhaustible might of the Imperium as a whole that has a chance of protecting them. The eternal "war-footing" is also useful as an excuse for the atrocities the Imperium regularly commits on its citizens, brings in the annual planetary tithes, and keeps Imperial Guard recruitment figures high. This is ''[[Nineteen Eighty-Four]]'' [[Recycled in Space]].

** But why would they claim they commited EVEN MORE atrocities then they already do? I mean, every evidence out there suggests there's only one not-100%-crap alternative to the Imperium already, so why make yourselves look '''worse'''?

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* There's no inherent contradiction. The Imperial Guard really ''are'' professional, competent, even heroically badass soldiers. They just can't do much against the Cosmic Horrors, space dinosaurs and assorted demigods except act as cannon fodder. The Imperial Faith is ''at one and the same time'' a comfort and inspiration to humanity ''and'' an excuse/rationale for its worst excesses (true of many real faiths). The Imperium is both a fascistic nightmare of Orwellian conformity and the only real chance we've got. In addition, it spans vast amounts of worlds, easily enough to cover everything from forge worlds to remote agri-colonies.

== Alternatively, the stories of [[Ciaphas Cain]] and [[~~Gaunts~~ Ghosts|Ibram Gaunt]] are Imperial propaganda designed to overplay the power and competency of the Imperial Guard and the relative happiness of the Imperium. ==

== Alternatively, the stories of [[Ciaphas Cain]] and [[Gaunt's Ghosts|Ibram Gaunt]] are Imperial propaganda designed to overplay the power and competency of the Imperial Guard and the relative happiness of the Imperium. ==

These individuals' characters and experiences contrast abruptly with the dystopian view of the Imperium at large. If the dystopia is true, then these individuals, as well as other heroic sorts with relatively endearing morals and behavior, must be entirely fictitious creations, possibly published by the Inquisition or by the Imperial Guard itself.

* [[Ciaphas Cain]]'s adventures are explicitly published by the Inquisition.

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* Hittin fings aint der point of yer shoota, it's dere to make loads o noise while you get all close up an proper like a real Ork.

* Alright... here's my take on 'enuff Dakka': You must create a weapon that can hit every point in space and time in the multiverse... with bullets that are each composed of every point in space and time in the multiverse... at point blank range to every point in space and time in the multiverse... And to clarify, the term "multiverse" includes: all alternate realities, parallel realities, perpendicular realities, potential realities, imagined realities, unimagined realities, inconceivable realities, and impossible realities. So you need a gun that shoots at everything, with everything, when next to everything. Now... how can we achieve * dramatic chord* ''too much dakka''?

** So the [[Crisis On Infinite Earths]] was the result of the Anti-Monitor trying to get together enough Dakka?

** So the [[Crisis on Infinite Earths]] was the result of the Anti-Monitor trying to get together enough Dakka?

** That would only be enough dakka if the weapon can hit every point in the multiverse WITH every point in the multiverse, at every point in time in the multiverse, infinity times per 10^-infinity seconds. Remember, one of the key points of dakka is rapid-fire capability. Hitting everything once isn't orky enough.

* You've achieved Too Much Dakka if yer shoota has so many barrels and gubbinz and whotnots stuck on it yer can't pull da bloody trigga.

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Since Ork technology works because they think it does, and Orks can never have enough dakka, simply convincing an Ork that he does have enough Dakka will turn whatever he is holding at that time into the most potent weapon in the universe.

* Correction: it's the result of the low level psychic powers that manifest in all Orkz and Humans. Miracles occur through faith (billions of souls SAY she can do it, so she can), and thusly ork technology works. So, if enough orkz could be organized under a being who knows this (say, their creators, can't remember if it was the Old Ones, C'tan or Necrontyr), you could arm a billion Orkz with black hole cannons, or, yes, create enough dakka. However so many orkz believe you can't get that, then they can't. Tl;Dr Because billions of orkz KNOW it to be so, the Red'nz do indeed go faster.

== [[~~Baldurs~~ Gate|Boo]] is the Emperor ==

== [[Baldur's Gate|Boo]] is the Emperor ==

That's why can't reincarnate. He got stuck in a body of a hamster, because of [[Magnificent Bastard|Tzeentch]].

** And Minsc must be one of the Missing Primarchs.

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** Alternatively, Japan underwent a [http://www.starslip.com/archive/20050802.shtml landmass-to-space conversion], and ''[[Starslip Crisis]]'' is really about the Age of Technology. Obdrath von Lucifuge and the Terran Consortium leaders were servants of Tzeentch, seeking to create even more chaos (little-C chaos, not big-C Chaos) out of the flaws of the starslip engine, but failed. Now it'll all end when the warpstorms arrive. Also, sometime just before the Age of Strife, the Cirbozoids will flee this galaxy for another, only to return eventually as the Tyranids.

** They get at least one planet, and an off-the-cuff mention that they're still practicing sumo, in ''Farseer''.

** 1d4Chan accurately describes the Imperium as being: "a nation ruled by a [[God-Emperor|Divine Emperor]] [[Martyrdom Culture|with legions of fanatical warriors who believe that glory awaits those who die in battle in his name with officers carrying swords, infantry engaging in fanatical charges, suicide missions considered a proper way to end one's military career,]] [[Putting On the Reich|high ranking officers wearing dress uniforms comparable to those from 18th/19th century Europe,]] [[Humongous Mecha|and their most powerful weapons are gigantic humanoid mecha.]]" If anything, Japan became the dominant culture.

** 1d4Chan accurately describes the Imperium as being: "a nation ruled by a [[God-Emperor|Divine Emperor]] [[Martyrdom Culture|with legions of fanatical warriors who believe that glory awaits those who die in battle in his name with officers carrying swords, infantry engaging in fanatical charges, suicide missions considered a proper way to end one's military career,]] [[Putting on the Reich|high ranking officers wearing dress uniforms comparable to those from 18th/19th century Europe,]] [[Humongous Mecha|and their most powerful weapons are gigantic humanoid mecha.]]" If anything, Japan became the dominant culture.

** This doesn't affect planets settled back before Old Night, but it seems ''none'' of the Earth cultures we know made it through the Age of Strife intact. Every Terran we see in the [[Horus Heresy]] series seems to come from a mix of multiple present cultures and ones yet to develop.

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** Because that's not how things work in Warhammer 40K and you know it.

** Because every faction is evil, and would therefore be targeted by something that even the Tyranids are afraid of.

** What is the one thing that all the races (or at least their leaders) are completely terrified of? [[Incorruptible Pure Pureness|The Cosmic Force of Peace and Love!]] Think about it, the Imperium would lose their Orwellian war footing, the Nids wouldn't be able to consume, the orcs wouldn't be allowed to fight, it goes against chaos' nature, the Eldar would lose their regimented structure (and craftworlds would be obsolete, and what farseer leader wants that?),the Tau would lose their moral highground (and thus, no one would want to join the Greater Good), the squats would come back, etc etc. Therefore, when a [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic ~~(Animation)~~|bunch of ponies using friendship magic]] appear in their rainbow ships, the entire Milky Way will unite in a desperate fight to protect their GRIMDARK way of life.

** What is the one thing that all the races (or at least their leaders) are completely terrified of? [[Incorruptible Pure Pureness|The Cosmic Force of Peace and Love!]] Think about it, the Imperium would lose their Orwellian war footing, the Nids wouldn't be able to consume, the orcs wouldn't be allowed to fight, it goes against chaos' nature, the Eldar would lose their regimented structure (and craftworlds would be obsolete, and what farseer leader wants that?),the Tau would lose their moral highground (and thus, no one would want to join the Greater Good), the squats would come back, etc etc. Therefore, when a [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic|bunch of ponies using friendship magic]] appear in their rainbow ships, the entire Milky Way will unite in a desperate fight to protect their GRIMDARK way of life.

* Aren't they running from the fact that they've eaten everything behind them?

** That's what {{[[User|Tiroth]] this Troper}} thought. Where is the material that suggests the 'nids are running scared?

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== The Iron Men were Necrons, or at least based on Necron tech. ==

The Stone Men found the sleeping Void Dragon on Mars & somehow used him to create an army of Necrons to use against the Gold Men, but things backfired & the Necrons turned on everybody. Another possibility is that the Iron Men were all Pariahs. The Stone Men were Blanks who were forced into servitude because of their condition & the Void Dragon converted a number of them into their intended form & sicced them on the rest of humanity.

** The Pariah theory is [[Jossed]] by the first [[~~Gaunts~~ Ghosts]] novel--the Iron Men are wholly mechanical.

** The Pariah theory is [[Jossed]] by the first [[Gaunt's Ghosts]] novel--the Iron Men are wholly mechanical.

== The Gold Men are the Chinese, or some other Eastern power. ==

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This explains why Guts is so ridiculously powerful, as well as why he doesn't have a mother. Additionally, the Godhand are Daemon Princes whose sacrifices are the price paid to the Chaos Gods. Sometime during or after the events of Berserk, the Emperor comes to Midland and, seeing what has happened to his son, removes the Brand of Sacrifice from Guts, but doesn't do the same to Casca. After Guts naturally refuses to abandon Casca, the Emperor abducts him, similar to what happened to Angron. Like Angron, this leaves Guts with a grudge that will have consequences. During the Horus Heresy, Horus tries to use this grudge to convince Guts to come over to Chaos and defeat the Emperor. Guts refuses, because while he does hate the Emperor for leaving Casca to die, he still hates Griffith, a servant of Chaos, and refuses to aid the powers that caused the deaths of everyone he ever cared about. But he doesn't fight alongside the loyalist legions against Chaos. Rather, he takes his Legion with him into the Warp, hoping to find Griffith there and kill him once and for all, but gets lost in the Warp. He is either still fighting in the Warp with what remains of his Legion, or has been killed trying to find Griffith.

* Guts had a birth mother, she was lynched while in labor. He was born of a dead body and then found by Gambino's bitch.

** [[Berserk ~~(Manga)~~/WMG|WMG page for Berserk]] suggests a solution to that.

** [[Berserk/WMG|WMG page for Berserk]] suggests a solution to that.

== The Tyranids are fleeing from [[Kirby]]. ==

According to the [[Kirby ~~(Video Game)~~/WMG|Kirby]] page, he's already slaughtered ''three'' Cosmic Horrors on the same rough level as the Chaos Gods/C'Tan. He wields the literal power of the stars themselves. He's massacred entire armies just to get ''cake.'' He can eat just about anything, and ''nothing'' escapes his rapacious appetite. He's capable of traveling interstellar distances with ease. And he's right behind the Tyranids, and I for one ''do not blame them'' for fleeing from him.

According to the [[Kirby/WMG|Kirby]] page, he's already slaughtered ''three'' Cosmic Horrors on the same rough level as the Chaos Gods/C'Tan. He wields the literal power of the stars themselves. He's massacred entire armies just to get ''cake.'' He can eat just about anything, and ''nothing'' escapes his rapacious appetite. He's capable of traveling interstellar distances with ease. And he's right behind the Tyranids, and I for one ''do not blame them'' for fleeing from him.

* Wait, you're proposing that Kirby and Warhammer 40k exsist in the same universe? Man! That is one seriously screwed up setting.

** Kirby is, of course, the only thing keeping the GRIMDARK from assaulting Pop Star. Even the C'tan know better than to fuck with him.

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* Going with the second option, the surviving Primarchs Vulkan and Jaghatai Khan are looking for their missing brothers. Their return will be enough to revive the Emperor from the Golden Throne and herald a new age for the Empire.

* Option #1 is highly unlikely, as the first act of one Primarch - I think it was Leman Russ, but I may be wrong - was to ''climb out of a volcano''. Option #2 is a lot more likely...and the previous Troper forgot that Leman Russ isn't dead yet either.

** I don't know which one it was but it wasn't Russ, he was just [[Raised By Wolves]].

** I don't know which one it was but it wasn't Russ, he was just [[Raised by Wolves]].

** Yeah, but Moratarion's meeting with the Emperor proves that there are some environments too hostile for even a Primarch to survive for long. If all else fails, even they need to ''breathe''. And yes Russ is alive but he was last seen heading for the Eye of Terror (as was Corax). Vulkan and the Khan had no specific destination noted in their last sightings.

* A brief round up. Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, and Rogal Dorn are confirmed as dead. Vulkan, the Khan, Corax, and Russ went missing. Guilliman and the Lion are technically still alive, but are resting / in stasis (hinted that they might well get up again). Depending on whether you veiw them as loyalists or not, Alpharius (and Omegon) are probabley still alive.

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* Jossed in the Horus Heresy Novel "Mechanicum". The Dragon is the seed of the Omnissiah, combined with the image of the Emperor. And then the Warp has a way of making truth out of sincerely believed lies...not that the [[Flat Earth Atheist|"Imperial Truth"]] of the time admits of the possibility.

== The Warhammer 40K galaxy is just one of many of the galaxy-in-a-marble power sources of the Arquillian Empire from the ''[[Men in Black (~~Film~~)|Men in Black]]'' film. ==

== The Warhammer 40K galaxy is just one of many of the galaxy-in-a-marble power sources of the Arquillian Empire from the ''[[Men in Black (film)|Men in Black]]'' film. ==

The reason everything is going to sheer bloody screaming hell in a burning handbasket are just the chaotic result of a galaxy that is essentially running out of power (and purpose for existence) much like an old battery. All of this is happening the the last few seconds of the galaxy's life, [[Year Inside, Hour Outside|it just seems like millennia to the denizens of said galaxy.]] Also, this galaxy was used as the battery for a fancy Arquillian chainsaw. If the 40k galaxy has to die powering something, that something should be truly deserving.

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== The two unknown Primarchs weren't GRIMDARK enough. ==

All the Primarchs were sent to different planets and [[Raised By Natives]] ([[Raised By Wolves|or in Leman Russ' case . . .]]). So a couple of them ended up being raised by the local equivalents of Ma and Pa Kent, and had reservations about the whole galactic war of conquest thing. Eventually they decide they'll have nothing more to do with it and leave the Imperium. The fact that two uncorrupted Primarchs rejecting the Emperor's plan for humanity is quickly stricken from all records.

All the Primarchs were sent to different planets and [[Raised by Natives]] ([[Raised by Wolves|or in Leman Russ' case . . .]]). So a couple of them ended up being raised by the local equivalents of Ma and Pa Kent, and had reservations about the whole galactic war of conquest thing. Eventually they decide they'll have nothing more to do with it and leave the Imperium. The fact that two uncorrupted Primarchs rejecting the Emperor's plan for humanity is quickly stricken from all records.

== Far from being what keeps him alive, the Golden Throne was constructed to keep the Emperor dead. ==

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*** There's a quote that says the Necrons will enslave after they kill enough people.

== [[The Movie]] of [[Titus Andronicus (~~Theatre~~)|Titus Andronicus]] takes place on a world in the Warhammer 40,000 galaxy. ==

== [[The Movie]] of [[Titus Andronicus (theatre)|Titus Andronicus]] takes place on a world in the Warhammer 40,000 galaxy. ==

As well as explaining the [[Anachronism Stew]], the pseudo-Roman culture and blue-armoured soldiers on motorcycles must have definitely been inspired by the Ultramarines, who visited the planet sometime in the past. (the Imperium may have lost track of the planet since then) And someone in the cast is definitely channelling some Chaos into the royal palace, probably Slaanesh.

== The Orks trapped in the Eye of Terror will destroy the Chaos Gods. ==

An entire company of Orks has been banished on a planet where their fate is to fight hordes of demons, getting killed, then resurrected for the whole thing to start again the next day. Sounds like [[Warrior Heaven]] for them.

Except that with all those battles, they'll get more and more skilled in their fights against the demons than they already are. They'll continue improving every single day, not having to worry to be killed as they're [[Cursed ~~With~~ Awesome|cursed to be resurrected every single time]]. The demons will notice this, so they'll send more and more soldiers against them, except that it won't stop the Orks from evolving and will only make them stronger than they would be at this point. Eventually, realising the Orks are getting out of control, the Chaos Gods would lift the curse so that they'd be permanently killed... But it won't work, because at this point the Orks will be convinced they'll be resurrected the next day. [[Clap Your Hands If You Believe|And as everything an Ork believes becomes reality]], they'll indeed resurrect even after the lifting of the curse.

Except that with all those battles, they'll get more and more skilled in their fights against the demons than they already are. They'll continue improving every single day, not having to worry to be killed as they're [[Cursed with Awesome|cursed to be resurrected every single time]]. The demons will notice this, so they'll send more and more soldiers against them, except that it won't stop the Orks from evolving and will only make them stronger than they would be at this point. Eventually, realising the Orks are getting out of control, the Chaos Gods would lift the curse so that they'd be permanently killed... But it won't work, because at this point the Orks will be convinced they'll be resurrected the next day. [[Clap Your Hands If You Believe|And as everything an Ork believes becomes reality]], they'll indeed resurrect even after the lifting of the curse.

Eventually, the Orks would continue to become more and more skilled, as well as stronger and stronger, to the point that even the most powerful demons won't be able to vanquish them. And, after a few millenia of endless wars between this ork company and THE ENTIRE LEGIONS OF THE WARP, the Orks will be strong enough for fighting the Chaos Gods themselves and tear them apart one by one.

And then shit will hit the fan for the rest of the galaxy [[Like a Badass Out of Hell|when they'll get out of the Warp for finding new enemies to fight.]]

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* Alternatively, if it ever gets made, the Chaos Gods will know and will use it as a portal to enter our world/time period, a la ''[[Discworld|Moving Pictures]]''. [[Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies|And then we shall all die]].

** You overlook our main advantage: [[Doctor Who|we are better at dying]]. Wait.

*** What's the key thing whenever the Imperium is fighting daemons? ''Faith''. Faith in the Emperor, faith in mankind, faith that daemons can be beaten - and what true 40k player lacks this? But if even this were to prove insufficient, well...[[~~Gaunts~~ Ghosts|do you want to live forever?]]

*** What's the key thing whenever the Imperium is fighting daemons? ''Faith''. Faith in the Emperor, faith in mankind, faith that daemons can be beaten - and what true 40k player lacks this? But if even this were to prove insufficient, well...[[Gaunt's Ghosts|do you want to live forever?]]

** Add to it all: Joss Whedon writes the script.

*** [[Aliens|Um...]] well, it would ''probably'' turn out all right.

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* The Alien Hunters and Techpriests will get codexes.

* Whatever's chasing the Tyranids will show up, and turn out to be energy beings. See, the Nids can't eat them and they're drastically different from what we've already got.

** Those energy beings will be based on the Drej from ''[[Titan AE]]'' with their solid energy thing since we already have the cloudy energy beings that are the C'tan(outside of their shells).

** Those energy beings will be based on the Drej from ''[[Titan A.E.]]'' with their solid energy thing since we already have the cloudy energy beings that are the C'tan(outside of their shells).

*** We already have (sorta) solid energy beings. They're called "daemons". (Psychic energy, yeah, but still energy.)

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== The Primarchs were fertile ==

Firstly, one of the theories how the Primarchs ended up on different planets was that the Emperor sent them there to become more human. That's a pretty weird reason, especially given the amount of [[~~Raised By Wolves|~~Raised by Wolves]] Primarchs, but this Troper has her own spin. The theory behind producing Space Marines is [[Art Major Biology]] at best, but that's because the whole "implants change your DNA" bit was all lies deliberately spread by the Emperor, so that nobody can fiddle around with the process. Actually, the Primarchs were necessary for the creation of Space Marines, because their children would be compatible with their Legion's Gene Seed. So the Emperor basically sent them away to father a whole lot of kids.

Firstly, one of the theories how the Primarchs ended up on different planets was that the Emperor sent them there to become more human. That's a pretty weird reason, especially given the amount of [[Raised by Wolves]] Primarchs, but this Troper has her own spin. The theory behind producing Space Marines is [[Art Major Biology]] at best, but that's because the whole "implants change your DNA" bit was all lies deliberately spread by the Emperor, so that nobody can fiddle around with the process. Actually, the Primarchs were necessary for the creation of Space Marines, because their children would be compatible with their Legion's Gene Seed. So the Emperor basically sent them away to father a whole lot of kids.

Now, this is where the Chaos Gods decided to butt in. They couldn't kill the Primarchs, but they could send at least some of them off-course. The Emperor couldn't do much about this, but he was aware of the intereference, so his searching for the Primarchs was at least partially genuine. Also, the first Space Marines, the one that didn't come from their Primarchs' homeplanets were results of the efforts of an army of Magos Biologos twinking out faetuses.

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** I always tought that the 'gods' who endorsed the emperor were humanity's own warp entities, like [[Greek Mythology|Zeus]] or [[Norse Mythology|Thor]] or possibly [[Egyptian Mythology|Ra]]. They got consumed by Chaos a long time ago (they only had energy from one planet of sentients, and they were so many of them that they didn't have enough power to resist) but were able to give their power to the Emperor before they were fully consumed. But since there's no canon evidence for such a thing, that's another WMG entirely...

*** That doesn't really work, because the Emperor is supposed to have been around since prehistoric times, which means ''before'' any of those beings were worshiped, or even dreamed up. But consider this: who puts that inscription about the Emperor at the beginning of all the Warhammer 40K novels? The publisher, obviously. And who is the publisher? The Black Library. And what is the Black Library? It is the repository of all the information the Eldar have collected on Chaos over the millennia. So why are all these stories about the ''Imperium'' coming out of an archive that's supposed to be about ''Chaos''? Because the whole Imperium unwittingly serves Chaos, because the Emperor is an agent of Chaos. It's all some big [[Xanatos Gambit]], probably by Tzeentch.

*** [[~~Spongebob~~ SquarePants|Tartar Sauce!]] And it was a good theory too. What about the Great Mother and the Great Horned One? They can't be aspects of Slaanesh then, as s/he was born during the Fall of the Eldar, which was thousands of years after the Emperor's birth. Sorry, grasping at straws here.

*** [[SpongeBob SquarePants|Tartar Sauce!]] And it was a good theory too. What about the Great Mother and the Great Horned One? They can't be aspects of Slaanesh then, as s/he was born during the Fall of the Eldar, which was thousands of years after the Emperor's birth. Sorry, grasping at straws here.

== The Emperor is dead. ==

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*** [[This Is Sparta|That. Explains. Everything...!]]

* "In the name of the <s>Moon</s> God-Emperor of mankind I punish you!

* ''[[~~Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Anime)|~~Puella Magi Madoka Magica]]'' is one of the Magical Girl dimensions closest to the actual 40k universe.

* ''[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica]]'' is one of the Magical Girl dimensions closest to the actual 40k universe.

== The Star child is Mr. Rogers from [[Mister Rogers Neighborhood]]. ==

== The Star child is Mr. Rogers from [[Mister Rogers' Neighborhood]]. ==

He is so nice that he can de-crapify ANYTHING.

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The Illuminati are, in the same old background that introduced the Star Child, a group of people who managed to throw off Daemonic possession [[Beyond the Impossible|by sheer will]]. Unfortunately, Tzeentch [[Crazy Prepared|had a plan]] for this, and made sure his Daemons left behind simple suggestions buried deep in their former hosts' minds. They plan a mass sacrifice of the Star Child's champions to pull together the scattered aspects of the Emperor's will with his long-discarded humanity dominant, reborn in a (super)human body. This would work...[[Gone Horribly Right|to the great advantage of Chaos]]. Even with the power of a popular god as well as the greatest of all psykers, his attention would be far more limited by cohesive identity and incarnate consciousness. The most urgent of prayers would go unanswered and the hearts and minds of innumerable faithful lie unshielded, to be claimed by the Ruinous Powers. [[Just As Planned]].

== The Star Child is [[2001: A Space Odyssey ~~(Film)~~|David Bowman]] ==

== The Star Child is [[2001: A Space Odyssey|David Bowman]] ==

The name makes it obvious, people!

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The ''true'' ultimate evil of Warhammer 40,000 will be the Emperor's Children legion of Chaos Space Marines. In a future update of the fluff, their forces will be enhanced with a Slaaneshi varient of the Obliterator virus, and will be the embodiment of Zardoz's concept of Evil.

== Chaos of [[Ultra Series|Ultraman Cosmos]] and the Chaos of [[Warhammer ~~40 K~~]] are one and the same. ==

== Chaos of [[Ultra Series|Ultraman Cosmos]] and the Chaos of [[Warhammer 40000]] are one and the same. ==

Both corruptive, both coming from who knows where, both having a love of destruction, and both will mean the end of sentient life if they win. Anyone want to add summat?

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It is the knowledge that despite being made and nurtured by the hand of the Emperor himself and bred for the sole purpose of being an immortal, invincible guardian of mankind, he has by a whim of fate been consigned to live and die a mortal man, and that in the face of the infinite, universe-shattering threats the universe holds, he cannot even contend with the evils created by humanity itself that drives him to despair and a defeated retirement.

== Warhammer 40k is set in the [[~~Old World of Darkness (Tabletop Game)|~~Old World of Darkness]] ==

== Warhammer 40k is set in the [[Old World of Darkness]] ==

The reasons? No reason, I just thought this would make '''''everything in the 40k universe worse.'''''

* Hey, [[Exalted ~~(Tabletop Game)~~|remember what was originally going to be the backstory of the]] ''World of Darkness''? I mean the Emperor is ''totally'' a Solar Exalt.

* Hey, [[Exalted|remember what was originally going to be the backstory of the]] ''World of Darkness''? I mean the Emperor is ''totally'' a Solar Exalt.

* Tyranids are the Wyrm. Necrons are Wraithes and Sidereals. The Mechanical God is the Weaver. Psykers are Mages. The Inquisition started with the Hunters. Chaos are the Yozi. Orks are from the Wyld. And the Tau are [[Genius: The Transgression ~~(Tabletop Game)~~|geniuses]].

* Tyranids are the Wyrm. Necrons are Wraithes and Sidereals. The Mechanical God is the Weaver. Psykers are Mages. The Inquisition started with the Hunters. Chaos are the Yozi. Orks are from the Wyld. And the Tau are [[Genius: The Transgression|geniuses]].

* The Dark Eldar curse is actually a derivative of the curse of Caine. Commoragh is the Enoch of the new millenium.

* The Warp is the Umbra, almost completely dominated by the Wyrm. Each chaos god is a head of the Triatic Wyrm, with Khorne being the Beast of War, Slaanesh being the Eater of Souls, and Nurgle being the Defiler Wyrm. Tzeentch is the last remnant of the Weaver.

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* So, the dark universe makes them evil... but their evil makes the universe worse... It's positive feedback!

== The various gods were once mortals... in the [[~~Team Fortress 2 (Video Game)|~~Team Fortress 2]] universe. ==

== The various gods were once mortals... in the [[Team Fortress 2]] universe. ==

Expanded from the ''[[~~Team Fortress 2 (Video Game)|~~Team Fortress 2]]'' WMG:

Expanded from the ''[[Team Fortress 2]]'' WMG:

# Scout: Gork/Mork (the smart one)

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**** Argh. Too tired to think of any more.

** The Eldar backstory is actually also quite sensible: don't devote yourself to purely hedonist self-indulgent pursuits, or the negative side effects of your actions will ruin your health and your life in the long run.

** Necrontyr: [[Deal ~~With~~ the Devil|Don't take loans that sound too good to be true, they probably are and you'll be regretting it for the rest of your life]]

** Necrontyr: [[Deal with the Devil|Don't take loans that sound too good to be true, they probably are and you'll be regretting it for the rest of your life]]

*** Who cares, [[Comically Missing the Point|when you can]] [[Who Wants to Live Forever?|live forever!]]

** Tau: Just because you ''think'' you're in the right and have the moral high ground doesn't mean you ''are'' in the right and have the moral high ground; fundamental differences in cultural perspective can make all the difference, and there may be something important that you aren't aware of

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== One of The Emperor's more recent aliases from the perspective of our era is Joshua Norton ==

Self explanatory. Emperor Norton ''really was The Emperor'', either He was getting impatient, wanted to do a dry run, or was just ''really, really bored'' while waiting for the next stage of His Great Plan For Humanity.

* I've always thought that Joshua Norton was ''really, really bored'' after being stranded due to losing his [[The ~~Hitchhikers~~ Guide to ~~The~~ Galaxy|Electronic Thumb]]...

* I've always thought that Joshua Norton was ''really, really bored'' after being stranded due to losing his [[The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy|Electronic Thumb]]...

== The Tau actually are the Good Guys ==

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* Mind you, even if there ''was'' some degree of thruth to those rumors, the Tau would ''still'' be good guys compared to everyone else...which says a lot.

== The [[Avatar (~~Film~~)|Na'vi]] are Exodite Eldars ==

== The [[Avatar (film)|Na'vi]] are Exodite Eldars ==

Pandora is the [[Death World]] they've settled. The Tree of Souls is their Infinity Circuit, which they [[Cargo Cult|actively worship as a World Spirit]]. Oh, and there's no Eywa, just a series of subtle, behind-the-scenes [[Monster Clown|Harlequin]] interventions...

* Exodite worlds are Maiden Worlds raised from a dead rock to being a vibrant jungle world and given sentience. I like to think that the world from Daemon World where {{spoiler|the planet was driven insane by constant warfare and warfare creating the most METAL planet ever where the compacted corpses of the damned have increased the planets size. The planet spirit after recomposing itself killed itself and killing all life in the solar system.}}

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* Also, the Space Wolves main characteristic is going in, fucking up everyone's shit, and destroying even the most convoluted and impenetrable of plans by repeatedly punching it in th throat. Because against the indiscriminate forces of change, no machinations are safe. ''Definitely'' Just As Planned.

== The creation of Slaanesh and the Eye of Terror, and thus, almost all of the Eldar, was caused by a game of [[Homestuck ~~(Webcomic)~~|Sburb]]. ==

== The creation of Slaanesh and the Eye of Terror, and thus, almost all of the Eldar, was caused by a game of [[Homestuck|Sburb]]. ==

I don't know where the idea came from, it just popped into the old think pan.

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* Nope, its explicitly stated that the reason is because human life is a cheap resource in the Imperium. The Imperial Guard wins battles through attrition. There is no point giving high quality equipment to someone that is basically being used for cannon fodder.

== Every time the Inquisition orders an Exterminatus, [[Hoist By His Own Petard|Chaos just gets more powerful]]. ==

== Every time the Inquisition orders an Exterminatus, [[Hoist by His Own Petard|Chaos just gets more powerful]]. ==

From Kyras' speech at the end of Retribution:

{{quote| "In mere hours, billions will die! '''Innocent!''' Guilty! Strong and weak! Honest and deceitful! ALL of them! They will scream, they will burn, and for '''no purpose but that mighty Khorne may revel in their bloodshed!'''}}

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* His legion would naturally be called the Steel Balls.

== Tzeentch has [[Gargoyles|David]] [[Xanatos Gambit|Xanatos]], [[Death Note ~~(Manga)~~|Light Yagami]], and [[Code Geass|Lelouch vi Britannia]] as his three most elite and powerful Daemon Princes. ==

== Tzeentch has [[Gargoyles|David]] [[Xanatos Gambit|Xanatos]], [[Death Note|Light Yagami]], and [[Code Geass|Lelouch vi Britannia]] as his three most elite and powerful Daemon Princes. ==

Of course, they all jockey for the top position (Xanatos would naturally fancy himself as Tzeentch's [[Shout-Out|"Number One"]]), which not only involves their own schemes but also the sabotage of their rivals' plans. All of this, naturally, is according to Tzeentch's [[Just As Planned|keikaku]].

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* It was expressly written out in one of the previous codexes that Tzeentch, Khorne and Nurgle were all spawned by humans. This is because, unlike the Eldar and other psyker races that were ''created'' to be Psykers by the Old Ones, humanity just kind of accidentally stumbled onto it through evolution. There was no plot, no training, and while only a scantly small percentage have any sort of psychic ability, ''every'' human has a psychic signature. It was all this untrained, unknowing turbulence that most recently stirred up the Warp, and why the Chaos Gods were far more vague and dark than those that came before (namely, the C'Tan and the Eldar gods). Mankind, as a species, has always accentuated the negative, and most of our progress until very recently has been based off of "How can we avoid the bad?" rather than "How can we enhance the good?" THAT said, the reason Slaanesh was spawned from the Eldar is because, as nearly an ''entire race'', they turned to abject hedonism to the point that the streets of their homeworlds ran with the blood of pointless sacrifices and mindless infighting while the others laughed and did drugs and sang ate and fucked and stabbed each other good-naturedly, and such strong psychic turbulence over such a short (in cosmic terms) time led to not just the birth of a new Chaos God, but a birth that ripped the physical dimension a new asshole, that we now call the Eye of Terror.

== Tyranids are [[Touched By Vorlons|Warp-touched insects.]] ==

== Tyranids are [[Touched by Vorlons|Warp-touched insects.]] ==

Given their ravenousness, their ability to interfere with the Warp, and their destructive nature, who's to say that they're not merely affected by the Warp? We already know that there are insects in the Warp, and they multiply by feeding on people's innards, so perhaps the Tyranids are tied to them.

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== The creation of Slaanesh and the Eye of Terror wasn't just the sole responsibility of the Eldar. Humanity during the Dark Age of Technology also had a hand in it ==

It's implied that humans have been able to create three Chaos Gods, so why would Slaanesh be a sole exception, considering that humanity is also kinda hedonistic (/b/. Enough said). It's also implied that during the Dark Age humanity has come to regard science as God and grow arrogant, just like the eldar. I can actually see it that in this scientism and arrogance humanity started losing moral standards (well there is no scientific proof that [[Sex Is Evil]], right?) and eventually became an extremely hedonistic [[Bread and Circuses]] society, ala ''[[Brave New World (~~Literature~~)|Brave New World]]'', and sure humans aren't as psychically powerful as the eldar, but they make up for sheer numbers. Also, this would pretty much fit in with the "Humanity = Rome" to the "Warhammer 40k = [[Dark Age Europe]] in space", considering how it wasn't just outside Barbarians that brought down Rome, but also [[The Caligula|the incompetence and hedonism of its higher authorities]].

It's implied that humans have been able to create three Chaos Gods, so why would Slaanesh be a sole exception, considering that humanity is also kinda hedonistic (/b/. Enough said). It's also implied that during the Dark Age humanity has come to regard science as God and grow arrogant, just like the eldar. I can actually see it that in this scientism and arrogance humanity started losing moral standards (well there is no scientific proof that [[Sex Is Evil]], right?) and eventually became an extremely hedonistic [[Bread and Circuses]] society, ala ''[[Brave New World (novel)|Brave New World]]'', and sure humans aren't as psychically powerful as the eldar, but they make up for sheer numbers. Also, this would pretty much fit in with the "Humanity = Rome" to the "Warhammer 40k = [[Dark Age Europe]] in space", considering how it wasn't just outside Barbarians that brought down Rome, but also [[The Caligula|the incompetence and hedonism of its higher authorities]].

== Nurgle deliberately lets Isha whisper cures to mortals ==

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== Nurgle is going to win and turn every single soul into broken slaves. ==

Second Law of Thermodynamics and sheer amount of despair will bring victory to Nurgle. There, Nurgle will eat every soul, break them into slavery, turn them into pale, shaded excrement of their former selves, and attach their decapitated and beheaded torsos (or spiritual equivalent of it) to neurons so that his realm would be powered by their sheer misery and despair. It's such a horrific fate that even Slaanesh's tortures are orgasmically pleasurable in comparison.

* It is a fate so horrific that it tears a hole into the space, time, and even the Warp itself. Thus the world is [[Divide By Zero|divided by zero and ends.]]

* It is a fate so horrific that it tears a hole into the space, time, and even the Warp itself. Thus the world is [[Divide by Zero|divided by zero and ends.]]

== Nurgle is actually a [[Big Good]] and/or a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] who seeks to save humanity. ==

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== Related to the above Nurgle-the-good-guy theory, Nurgle's true form is [[Beauty Equals Goodness|mind-blowingly beautiful]] and [[Light Is Good|full of light.]] ==

So beautiful, Slaanesh is nothing against him. Nurgle appears to be putrid and disgusting only because the mortals are so afraid of dying and decay. His followers, however, can see his true form.

* So it's like ''[[~~Saya no Uta (Visual Novel)|~~Saya no Uta]]''?

* So it's like ''[[Saya no Uta]]''?

== Our future will be like Warhammer 40000 ==

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== The Emperor and The Chaos Gods are not [[Evil Counterpart|evil counterparts]] to each other. ==

The Chaos gods are already [[Evil Counterpart|Evil Counterparts]] to ''each other'', due to the natures of chaos-- Nurgle/Tzeentch, and Khorne/Slaanesh, though none of them really get along, being, well, ''[[Exactly What It Says On the Tin|Chaos]]''. The Emperor is sometimes thought to be the [[A Lighter Shade of Grey|good]] counterpart to them collectively, being the [[Useful Notes/Id Superego and Ego|Superego to the Chaos' Id]], but when you think about it, the Tyrannid [[Hive Mind]] is a better candidate as his Id/[[Evil Counterpart]]. The [[Memetic Mutation|EMPRAH]] is an intelligent, reasonable individual who wants humanity to grow infintely across the galaxy and eventually the universe (not necessarily opposed to Xenos so long as they stay out of humanity's way). The [[Hive Mind]] is a mindless, completely unreasonable collective (even to Chaos itself) whose instinct tells it to reproduce and eat all that lives until nothing remains but (due to the fact that the tyranids are basically one psychically-linked organism) It, in both the Materium and the Immaterium. The Emperor shines like a [[Light Is Good|light in the warp]] (the Astronomicon) while the [[Hive Mind]] is a [[Darkness Equals Death|Shadow in the warp]].

The Chaos gods are already [[Evil Counterpart|Evil Counterparts]] to ''each other'', due to the natures of chaos-- Nurgle/Tzeentch, and Khorne/Slaanesh, though none of them really get along, being, well, ''[[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|Chaos]]''. The Emperor is sometimes thought to be the [[A Lighter Shade of Grey|good]] counterpart to them collectively, being the [[Useful Notes/Id Superego and Ego|Superego to the Chaos' Id]], but when you think about it, the Tyrannid [[Hive Mind]] is a better candidate as his Id/[[Evil Counterpart]]. The [[Memetic Mutation|EMPRAH]] is an intelligent, reasonable individual who wants humanity to grow infintely across the galaxy and eventually the universe (not necessarily opposed to Xenos so long as they stay out of humanity's way). The [[Hive Mind]] is a mindless, completely unreasonable collective (even to Chaos itself) whose instinct tells it to reproduce and eat all that lives until nothing remains but (due to the fact that the tyranids are basically one psychically-linked organism) It, in both the Materium and the Immaterium. The Emperor shines like a [[Light Is Good|light in the warp]] (the Astronomicon) while the [[Hive Mind]] is a [[Darkness Equals Death|Shadow in the warp]].

== Angron's followers on his home planet had already been tainted by Khorne. ==

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* One of the Lost Primarchs [[Stable Time Loop|is the Emperor himself]]!

== [[Warhammer ~~40 K~~]] takes place in a literal Hell. ==

== [[Warhammer 40000]] takes place in a literal Hell. ==

Because honestly, what word [[Crapsack World|better describes this universe.]] It's a hell without end. Of course, this means the God Emperor is Jesus, and the Great Crusade was the Harrowing of Hell. He died for your sins!

* The Chaos Gods are the [[Horsemen of the Apocalypse]]. [[The Berserker|Khorne is War]](because of how [[Ax Crazy]] he is), [[The Chessmaster|Tzeentch is Conquest]] (he's a huge [[Magnificent Bastard]]), [[Body Horror|Nurgle is Pestilence]] ([[Affably Evil|Papa Nurgle loves all living things]], [[Plaguemaster|including pathogens]]), [[Sense Freak|Slaneesh is Famine]] (his/her worshippers are starved for more and more pleasure), and [[Omnicidal Maniac|Malal is Death.]]

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Look at what Malcador did, he formed the Officio Assassinorum, he created the Grey Knights, he formed the Inquisition, and he was constantly by the emperor's side, all around the time of the Horus Heresy. My theory is that the Emperor was indeed a competent leader, but his relationship with Malcador was different than commonly believed, with the emperor being more like the face to the Imperium while Malcador focused more on organizational needs of the Imperium. In effect the Emperor was just a puppet, with Malcador pulling the strings.

== The Human Race in 40k is actually [[Tomato in ~~The~~ Mirror|a group of Chaos daemons]], while the Eldars are actually our descendants. ==

== The Human Race in 40k is actually [[Tomato in the Mirror|a group of Chaos daemons]], while the Eldars are actually our descendants. ==

The Eldars are the descendants of modern human (aka the original Old Ones), revelling in their superior technology inherited from us, and made more beautiful and intelligent, and given great [[Psychic Powers]] thanks to generations of genetic engineering. Just prior to the zenith of Eldar civilization, their experiments with Hyperspace (hence the Webway), along with how their psychic lives are dominated by scientific rationality (rather than religious paranoia), created the first Chaos God of Order, the Emperor. The Eldars were so proud of belonging to the (super)human race, the Emperor and his daemons took after the (flawed) appearance of the Eldar and believed themselves to belong to the Eldar as well. Unfortunately, the Eldar's [[Brave New World]] became so decadent they forgot their human origin, while the Emperor left the decaying civilization and formed his own new empire, firmly believing ''he'' and ''his'' daemons are real humans, not those crazy hedonistic humanoid aliens. Then the Emperor was weakened from a wound by a huge battle with Slaanesh, resulting in many of his Greater Daemons (the Primarchs) killed by other Chaos gods and replaced with [[Mole in Charge|the moles]] plotting to [[Horus Heresy|overthrow the Emperor from the inside.]] The actual daemonic of the Imperium is why the Imperium is as paranoid and [[Ax Crazy]] as other Chaos Gods in the first place. How about the history of the Imperium? Either it is all a lie fabricated by the Emperor, or [[Cosmic Retcon|he changed the past.]]

* Seeing as how the Eldar have histories dating back millions of years, the Eldar must have sent ''themselves'' back through time at some point.