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Do the math. Killing Rorschach, in a way, killed Dr. Manhattan; after doing so, he decided to cut and run, and perhaps start over in another galaxy somewhere else. He knew that Veidt's peace wouldn't last, and after realizing that humanity's most stubborn champion had finally given up, he gave up on humanity.

I Actually I disagree. Dr. Manhatten specifically sees his OWN future. And we have no reason to believe he returns to Earth after leaving at the end, at least not in the near future. So if he leaves earth before Rorschach's journal is found, he would never know about it.

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== Adrian '''V'''eidt is [[V for Vendetta|V.]] ==

Both are charismatic, have superhuman reflexes, are very intelligent. Adrian even signs his letters with a "V--" in Watchmen.

After the events of Watchmen, Veidt leaves his Antarctic base and goes to England. He abandons his role as Ozy and takes on the role of V in order to take action again. V never actually was in a concentration camp, he was Adrian Veidt. He is hiding his identity behind the mask, not physical scars.

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** To me it's pretty clear that he's a repressed heterosexual. There are subtle clues in the graphic novel that he is actively repressing a heterosexual desire which he finds disgusting and doesn't know how to deal with. The things that make him uncomfortable are all related to femaleness and the female form.

*** Regardless of his sexual orientation, he is certainly to some degree a misogynist, or at least extremely adverse to women. Given his upbringing, this is not completely out of the blue. And I don't think he'd know how to deal with ''any'' desire, whether for men, women, or carnival rides.

*** I think Rorschach "cured" his misogyny by developing misanthropy.

== Rorschach has a violence fetish. ==

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* Wait, where is the evidence for any of this besides the name of the characters? And Silk Spectre and Ozymandias don't even relate in name...

** This Troper's opinion was that the Silk Spectres must have some sort of healing factor, given that they constantly ran around in skimpy outfits and heels and don't have any significant scarring to show for it.

== Rorschach is gay. ==

There's a higher than expected number of alternative sexualities among the masked vigilantes, the only relationship he has with anyone is with Nite Owl, and his dislike of homosexuals is due to internalized homophobia.

* There could be more to it than that, actually. It should be noted that in Watchmen, gay characters have a 100% mortality rate - Hooded Justice, the Silhouette, Moth Man, the Lesbian couple in New York. No gay character gets out of Watchmen alive and Rorschach is the only one of the active modern costumed heroes who dies. In addition to this, he is particularly fond of the Veidt perfume 'Nostalgia', which Veidt himself in one of the [[Easter Egg]]s says is deliberately marketed to homosexuals.

** Rorschach did hate all women as being whores due to his experiences with his mother. Due to his own feelings of betrayal from his mother during a period when he might have even had a Freudian attraction to her, he likely gave up on all women. He subconsciously became a gay but he also hated all immoral sexual activities (his mother was a whore) and so he repressed his homosexual tendencies.

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*** There is evidence for Moth Man being gay. Sally's interview with The Probe in September '76 states that "a couple of the guys" were gay, and that "they're both dead now. One died recently". Given the time of the interview, that was probably Moth Man. When Silk Spectre II saw Moth Man in the 70s, he was in very poor health.

*** That only proves that Sally ''thought'' he was gay.

*** I always assumed that the one who "died recently" was Captain Metropolis, who had been killed in a car accident.

*** Except for the letter from Sally's agent that states that HJ and Captain Metropolis "act like an old married couple in public," Sally's acts as an alibi for HJ, and makes vague comments about HJ doing "rough stuff" with boys.

*** Also, Moth Man is explicitly stated to be alive, once by Rorschach in the beginning of the comic when he's talking about how vigilantes never have peaceful lives, and Dan mentions in his paper about owls that he was sent to check up on Moth Man by Mason at some point in the 80s, meaning even if he was dead when Rorschach mentioned him, he still would have been alive when Silk Spectre gave that interview.

*** Remember the scene where Rorschach gets back on Archimedes, and Nite Owl has to practically tear his hand free from the handshake? It's virtually identical to the scene where Nite Owl brings Laurie on board, and is one of the first overt signs of Dreiberg's feelings for her. I can't help but feel that the parallels are intentional, with the underlying message being that Rorschach's so thoroughly repressed, this is the only sign of affection he can give.

**** That's a perfectly reasonable interpretation, although you could just as easily say that he's so thoroughly repressed about showing ''any'' kind of human emotion (other than violence) that it's the only way he can express any sense of camaraderie or platonic interpersonal affection, quite divorced from sexual longing.

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*** Actually, despite my posting evidence for "Rorschach is gay" that's pretty much what I think is going on. Rorschach appears to be so turned off sex he never shows the slightest sign of being sexually interested in ''anything''.

**** Can you be hetero-phobic?

***** Asexual and/or sex-phobic, sure.

****** I buy phobic, but not asexual - he's just incapable of acting on, resolving, or enjoying his sexual urges. Note that when he puts on his "face" in the alley, he mentions how being fully Rorschach leaves him with distractions and pains, particularly without "lusts". This bit is written in a caption with a panel showing a "Nostalgia" poster with a woman in filmy lingerie. Another time, he gets distracted for a long moment watching a couple making out in a window.

* He clearly has an Oedipal Complex that was betrayed by his mother (being a prostitute) which stunted his sexual development. Notice how assumes most women he comes in contact with to be whores and treats all whores with violence and incredible disrespect.

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** Nope. Take another look at the frames: Ozy's bleeding after the bullet hits.

*** Which completely subverts the body suit theory. It actually went through one hand before he managed to catch it with the other.

**** It went ''through'' his hand? Neither of them seem to have exit wounds...

** Okay, a lot of people are confused about the bullet scene. When I told my friend "Only Dr. Manhattan has powers," he replied that Ozymandias must have superpowers because he caught a bullet. And now we have a Wild Mass Guess that Ozzy just HAS to have a transparent magical shield in order to catch a bullet. This is all complete hooey and, no offense, you guys don't understand how guns and bullets behave. It's entirely possible that Ozzy has a layer of steel or something tough that could easily absorb the impact force of a bullet without causing injury. This is possible because forces come in pairs. The shooter experiences the same amount of force as the person being shot. Laurie's hand isn't injured when she fires the gun, because the force is spread throughout the gun itself, and its grips. So why can't Adrian also have something in his hand (a plate of steel would do fine) that would also spread out the impact of the bullet? I don't know what kind of gun Laurie was using but given that it was a revolver and the movie takes place in the 80's, it was PROBABLY a .38 special. And a .38 special bullet is easily stopped by a steel plate that is only a fraction of an inch thick. So, that's it. The fact that Veidt can stop a bullet with his hand is easily explained and it doesn't have to involve super powers. So there!

*** Well, the fact that he could ''withstand'' the bullet is explained. Now how about his ability to put his hand in the right place fast enough to catch it on the plate?

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* He can teleport a hostile group of rioters to their own homes, all at once. This implies incredibly fine control of his teleportation abilities.

* He can see into the future and the past; indeed, he does so continuously.

* He can easily teleport himself to other planets, possibly other star systems.

* He can be in multiple places at once.

* He can create large structures out of dust, and control their movement afterward.

* He can put up forcefields (Laurie's air-bubble on Mars).

* He can change his size.

So why does he say he can only destroy half the missiles? Perhaps he knows that, if the US was entirely invulnerable, it'd immediately get into a war with the USSR, instead of the uneasy (and unbalanced) stalemate of the Cold War. So instead of revealing the full extent of his powers, he claimed to be less powerful so that he wouldn't be the cause of WW3.

* It's possible that he can only catch 50% of the missiles launched, assuming they came from different directions and some came in under radar. Yes, time is meaningless to Dr. Manhattan, but he's also a strong believer in fate. Simply because he knows what's going to happen doesn't mean he can change it.

* Alternatively, Doctor Manhattan was always shown to have been apathetic to the point of insanity. Perhaps, to him, the idea of a few puny humans launching missiles at each other was nothing and did not require his attention, so he might have said it so he wouldn't have to help as much as their strategy needed. Basically, he's saying, sort it out yourselves.

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== Doctor Manhattan was actively preventing his origin from being replicated ==

Ozzy had an IF machine, so they're not impossible to replicate. Sure, it may be a million-to-one chance to get a God out of the accident rather than a pile of dust, but that just means you have to kill a bunch of people to make it work. Why weren't the Russians throwing thousands of gulaggers into them? One possibility is that they are (or at least used to, they may have given up), but Manhattan is stopping it from working to avoid the creation of more superpowered beings.

* Ozzy also was the World's Smartest Man, ''and'' had the original result to study, so he had a bit of an advantage. Remember, he was also the first to invent the teleporter, the first to invent genetic engineering, etc.

* The odds may be a ''lot'' higher than a million to one. Throw the whole population of the planet in, and you could still get nothing. Or ten times that many. Or ten galaxies' worth. Randomness is like that.

* On the note of the Russians throwing random gulaggers into the IF machine, there's a pretty simple reason why they wouldn't -- a prisoner given godlike power's first act would most likely be to annihilate his jailers. Of course, they may have tried throwing in random party members instead...

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== ''Watchmen'' is set in the alternate 1985 from ''[[Back to The Future|Back To The Future Part II]]''. ==

It's an alternate 1985 (''October'' 1985, no less) and Nixon is still president.

* The Golden Age Heroes exist in [[Back to The Future]] verse as well, but simply fell out of favor in the 50s and there was no "Silver Age". However, the temporal paradox caused by old Biff giving young Biff the Almanac caused a flaw in reality which allowed Osterman (who would have other wise died) to come back as Manhattan, thus inspiring a new generation. The Temporal Paradox of Marty "coming back from the future" fixes this, and allows Osterman to die.

* The newspaper from BTTF 2 mentioning Nixon's fifth term says that Nixon "vows to end the Vietnam war by 1985", which means this is not the case.

== The inhabitants of Lesbos banned the word "lesbian". ==

In ''Watchmen'', they use "gay woman" instead of the more common lesbian. One character accidentally uses "lesbian" and is immediately corrected. And over in [http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL1120797420080611 The Real World, the inhabitants of Lesbos are trying to ban the word]. Somehow they succeeded and convinced the rest of the world to stop using "lesbian" except to refer to people from Lesbos.

* Or, alternately, the word never came into use for gay women, as it is believed that it would be disrespect to the Greeks who fought with the [[300|300 Spartans]]...

* I always thought it was because the word became associated with hate crimes.

** Or, running with the "Veidt is gay" theory below—Veidt's hardly ''hiding'' it—the pervasive use of "gay" became more common regardless of gender with Adrian's influence. Having the world's smartest man be physically formidable, making a focused effort to come across as powerful and all-American as well as ridiculously rich, and very, very gay has to do something for the GLBT community, for good or ill. Probably horribly enrage people like the folks at the New Frontiersman (more) but if there was never so much of a distinction in the first place...

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** And sheer luck.

* So the real wild theory is...

* Being confirmed by real life does not prove anything. In real life there were no superheroes, and no American God. These factors would have had a massive effect on the politics of the time, and the supplementary information given to us seems to suggest that nuclear war was highly probable.

== The nuclear exchange would have happened without Veidt's intervention. ==

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== Rorschach has Asperger's Syndrome ==

Rorschach displays a number of the classic traits of the mild form of autism called Asperger's Syndrome. He clearly doesn't empathize with others or understand how people think, doesn't like talking with people so much as talking ''at'' them, has major obsessions, and is said to have been a good student, yet a very withdrawn one. He has daily rituals in the form of his patrols, and his speech and clothing both have significant and very weird quirks, and he tends to take odd ways around problems. (Hence all the work for the Gordian Knot Lock Co.) Along with his incredibly screwed-up childhood, this has left him as the psycho we all know and [[Misaimed Fandom|love]].

* Maybe. Having good friends with Aspergers myself, he seems not messed up where he should be, and messed up where he shouldn't be. A lot of the description fits, though. Note that while Aspies often don't understand people, they * do* crave social interaction like the rest of us. Of course, Rorschach's stupidly depresssing past could've easily beaten that out've him.

** I agree with the above- most people with Asperger's are fairly normal, but then again, most aspies didn't grow up like Rorschach did.

*** I'm SORRY for Rorschach, but he can't be an aspie. He survives in the streets on his own. He's an outlaw wanted by the cops. He fights crime with his bare fists. ALL AT ONCE. And somehow manages to get away with it. For years. This is not very Asperger-like. A true aspie would have given up the very first week. If somebody DESERVES to be called an aspie, this is DOCTOR MANHATTAN. Doc has an immense talent, but lacks of the ability, the willpower and the motivation to put his gifts at good use. He spends his time in a world of his own, and dislike interferences. He barely cares about anything outside his little sphere of interests. He leads a life of reclusion and seems happy about it. He's a genius dealing with unanimated things which work in a simple, logical pattern (clocks, neutrines & the likewise). But he sucks when it comes to relating with pesky emo talking primates. He just doesn't get people's feelings, and people fails to get what's in his head. In spite of his apathy, he has a crush for a perky girl (or that was me?). He's a nice guy who does what he's told but shows no enthusiasm nor initiative. He respects autority and wouldn't question an order... usually, but he doesn't like being questioned himself. When he says "enough", he MEANS it: he doesn't feel like wasting time in discussions. He feels bad about people dying because of him. But if there is somebody else doing the killing... of course it's not his business. Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not an expert), but an aspie is like Doctor Manhattan without the super-powers. Rostcharch is not like Doctor Manhattan. Ergo, Rorschach can't be an aspie.

** Aspies are the highest function autists around, so your arguement is moot.

*** Not always, it varies by degree—some cases of Aspergers' are worse than others.

** Or alternately, Doctor Manhattan is a relatively well adjusted person with Asperger's, and has learned to function- barely, and not well, but prior to his 'accident' does just fine. Rorschach is what he might have been had life really screwed him over- abusive home, awful childhood, and on and on and on. DM's life may not have been peaches and partying but compared to Rorschach's... (Maybe they function at different levels?) Diagnosing Rorschach takes some dot-connecting but Doctor Manhattan-as-aspie makes good-ish sense to me...

*** Even more alternatively, his disconnection comes from the lack of any bodily function, which will eventually lead to him becoming nothing more than a self aware natural phenomenon...

** I don't know, as a troper with a family member who has aspergers, I think that Rorschach could easily do all that, because you say that he is motivated, and that an aspie couldn't be motivated. But my brother, who has aspergers, is very motivated. I could well believe that rorschach has aspergers.

*** [[User:Mac Phisto]] has Asperger Syndrome. He does not like the term "Aspie". Not that he feels victimized—he just thinks it sounds stupid. That being said, while he does believe that Rorshach fell somewhere between Autism and Anti Social Personality Disorder, he did not have A.S. Doctor Manhattan, on the other hand, did not have A.S -- but Alan Moore certainly gave him the personality traits of someone who did.

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* I'm not sure, but I think it's established that Rorschach doesn't HAVE facial expressions.

** He speaks in a really creepy monotone at all times, and without his real face he seems to be expressionless—but with it on, who can tell? He might not raise his eyebrows a lot, or let his mouth fall open, but it has to be reacting to something.

** I think the reason he doesn't have facial expressions is because since the mask "is" his face, when he doesn't have it on, he perceives himself as not having the capability or need to express emotions, since the people he's talking to are just seeing his "mask."

* Although I can't seem to find it now, I remember once visiting a website where all of Rorschach's mask patterns where listed. Most of them corresponded to Rorschach's emotional state at the time. If memory serves, this is why his mask looks exactly the same when he discovers that Jacobi is dead as when he realizes that the abducted child was killed, chopped up and fed to the two dogs. In both cases, he was clearly shocked/surprised.

** Two blot patterns repeat themselves noticeably: The shocked one mentioned by the troper above, and the "Never compromise" pattern he makes when he says that phrase in different points of the story.

* [[Ho Yay|So when he gets what looks like a big goofy smile on his face after shaking hands with Nite Owl...]]

* The most obvious case this troper noticed was in the film just before Rorschach leaves Karnak. The mask shifts so that there's a long streak of black from his eyes down his cheeks. She only noticed on the second viewing, but she's now quite sure Rorschach was crying.

* Actually, it's blatantly stated in [http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid494808768?bctid=10346945001 this video from the development team] that the mask changes to reflect his emotions, and they have about fifteen "set patterns" taken directly from the comic that they even defined as expressions. So, in this case, the WMG is right.

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== Dr. Manhattan is the [[Dune|Kwisatz Haderach]]. ==

* He can see into the future and the past; indeed, he does so continuously.

* He can easily teleport himself to other planets, possibly other star systems.

* He can be in multiple places at once.

All qualifications of the Kwitsatz Haderach- also, that blue skin? That's not from the radioactivity...

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Let's look at the facts, the man decides to name himself after Ramses II—fine, he happens to admire the man. Pity that Ramses II ended up losing to God... Also, interesting choice to pick the version of the name that's explicitly and famously tied to hubris and futility. And his choice of password?

** Uh, I'm pretty sure that was deliberate on his part. He DID {{spoiler|do it 35 Minutes Ago}}.

* In Exodus the Pharoh is just called Pharoh, not Ramses II, so Ramses did not lose to God. For that matter, Ozymandias did lose to God, {{spoiler|Doctor Manhattan defeated him}}. As for his choice in name, it could be an attempt at irony. Another possibility is that he liked Alexander the Great (who loved Greek culture) so, in respect for his former hero, chose the Greek form of his new hero's name. We also do not know how famous Percy Bysshe Shelley's poem is in Watchmen. His password could have been all part of the plan.

** Ozymandias didn't lose to God, he beat him three times. He got Dr. Manhattan to exile himself, blew him up (something no one else ever did), and made world peace while he was gone.

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** No, no. Laurie and Dan will have a falling out, and she'll swear to ruin his life to get revenge. Of course, like her mother, she'll just have her son live out her dreams for her. [[Joker Immunity|With a slight change to the super alias, of course.]]

** Better: Dan had developed a hovorboard, painted his armor green and added an aweseome helmet...! If they have kids, they're going to be exquisitely messed up, but would we expect anything less from a [[Deconstructor Fleet]] tale?

*** Like Batman isn't exquisitely messed up? I'm telling you, man. The way Dan is totally watered-down and wishy-washy when he isn't being Nite Owl? His talent for building gadgets and naming them weird? Laurie's ruthless streak and desire to be independent, anonymous, and in control with her superheroics? Dammit, guys. NITE OWL HAS A GODDAMN NOT-BATCOMPUTER IN HIS NOT-BATPLANE.

== Ozy's secret weapon in [[The Movie]] is Dr. Manhattan ==

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** But that's the thing, the story depends on people doing something completely illogical. There IS no real reason, at all, for the Soviets to ever think they could "go out in a blaze of glory". Realistically, Dr. Manhattan would be impossible to stop. He can reproduce himself at least four times, as we have seen him do this. If ''one'' of him can hold off more than 50% of their missiles, then ''four'' should be able to defeat all of them. And that assumes all the nukes are missiles, since planes would be vastly eaiser to shoot down for a teleporter who can kill with a thought, and tactical nuclear weapons would not "destroy" the US or even annoy Manhattan. More so, the alien's DNA would have to at least be someone human in nature by virtue of the fact it is, at heart, a human being turned into a giant monster...it would still have human blood type, human bodily chemicals, things that havn't evolved in other races ''on Earth'' let alone in another star system. The existence of even one psychic is really bizarre, as no one on Earth knew but Ozy, but logic dictates that the existence of other psychic would only make it worse...presumably the quality is genetic in nature, and scientists would then be able to determine it's origin as terrestrial as it would have evolved from some other human genetic mutation, by definition, as the psychics are human. And all the massive problems with "manipulating the world" into believing the invasion is on not withstanding, it would still never hold together under any kind of objective scrutiny: Where are the other aliens? How did it get here? Why did it die instantly? Why have no more appeared? You can manipulate the world but even then you can't manipulate logic. If anything like real world logic applies to the Watchmen universe then Ozy's plan would fall apart in weeks, not even months. Rorschach's journals would only be the nail in the coffin...

== Ozymandias is the [[Warhammer ~~40000~~|Emperor of Mankind]] ==

== Ozymandias is the [[Warhammer 40,000|Emperor of Mankind]] ==

Genius-level intellect? Check. Peak physical capabilities? Check. Scientific pioneer? Check. Early genetic-engineering expert? Check. Willing to go to any lengths to secure Humanity's future? Check.

* I seem to remember there being something about the [[Warhammer ~~40000~~|Emperor]] being every important historical figure ever...

* I seem to remember there being something about the [[Warhammer 40,000|Emperor]] being every important historical figure ever...

** Ozymandias certainly ''thinks'' he's every great historical figure ever...

* This makes even more sense considering that he's securing humanities future by making man stop hating and fearing his fellow man.....and start hating and fearing '''aliens''' with '''psychic powers'''.

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== Nite Owl isn't who he says he is ==

Dan keeps surveillance equipment around because he doesn't want anyone knowing his real identity. He makes a habit of covering his eyes with glasses or goggles, only going without them around women he trusts. He doesn't let Laurie touch his hair because it's probably fake, and looks like it's about to slip off. He has blonde hair on his face at the end, which is much harder to dye, but makes more sense if he's a natural blonde to begin with, and waits until he's comfortable revealing this to Laurie. So who is Nite Owl? The son of Hollis Mason? The son of Captain Metropolis or Dollar Bill? The brother of Adrian Veidt?

* That is actually very intruiguing... I just figured (in the comic) he wore shades all the time because it was stylish and because it reminded him of his time as a masked superhero.

** I just figured he was '''nearsighted''' and wearing ''prescription lenses''.

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== Nite Owl is Adrian's spy ==

Using Adrian's method of looking for symbols and meaning in random chaos, we find Dan associates with Horus and the eye of vengeance, corresponding to the third Egyptian statue, the third mugshot in the New Frontiersman, and the third kid dressed as a pirate. Adrian's dreams reflect the pirate's life in Tales of the Black Freighter, yet Dan is the pirate symbol because Ozymandias uses him like an avatar to scout and get information. The pirate outfit has an eyepatch covering the right eye, as the smiley face has the right eye smudged to represent the coming 11th hour, represented most by Nite Owl, who sits at the right eye of Archie while its right window becomes obstructed to make the symbol. When Jon makes the symbol it's due to measuring time, expressed not by his emotionless face but a clock face, a tool mechanically pointing to the right side out of inevitability, not choice, while Dan chooses to stay on the right side as a marker to willingly follow until the end, tracing the symbol with his fingers in Chapter VII.

Dan shows his knowledge of Greek and Egyptian history by not only knowing the Greek name of Ozymandias, but worshiping the symbol of birds in "Blood from the Shoulder of Pallas," where the owl sits at the right shoulder of Athena, goddess of craft, war, wisdom and philosophy, areas that Ozymandias excels in, with the owl being the right hand attendant, intelligence gatherer, and spy. Dan has surveillance equipment he looks at apprehensively in Chapter VII, which could report back to Adrian. Dan's love for Greek and Egyptian mythology is how he respects Ozymandias, the man who believes he's the Greek who conquered Egypt to unite their culture. Dan mentions Athena on the face of Greek coins, a likely reference to coins in the eyes of the dead used to cross the river Styx, making Athena/Ozymandias a guide from this world to the next.

Odd is his observation that modern people look at a hawk scientifically while "the Egyptians once saw Horus and the burning eye of holy vengeance incarnate," and that we need to "transform our mere sightings into genuine visions" to be true passion. Dan respects the Eye of Horus, the eye of the hawk/falcon, representing the analytical mind of letters, numbers, thoughts and senses when on the face's right side. When the detective "looks ahead" at the calendar in Dan's house, he sees a hawk attacking its prey, a clue to Dan's identity that he keeps hidden. Horus, the god of the sky, has the head of a hawk/falcon, which is the rightmost statue in Ozymandias' office, opposite the leftmost statue off panel, which corresponds to The Comedian and the devil costume.

Rorschach corresponds to the center statue, the jackal headed Anubis, who brings people to the afterlife and measures the worthiness of the dead. Rorschach wears the inkblot symbol and sees the dog in an inkblot, making the dog face his symbol, and analyzes Anubis in terms of watching over the dead. As Anubis is the brother of Horus, Rorschach is the spiritual brother to Nite Owl, and Nite Owl can't kill Rorschach, but needs to escort him to Karnak, Adrian's "tomb" to die a symbolic death and be reborn in the new world, avoiding Alexander's literal death, accompanied by three associates who die before Adrian walks into Karnak, as three men escort Alexander's chariot in the painting, three gods escort Adrian to the next world, and three heroes die for him, though one has his conscience and identity die to spare his mortality and live on in the next world with Adrian. Alan Moore does this kind of thing using myths and symbolic meaning all the time, in Promethea for example, so yeah.

== Nite Owl seeks Adrian's protection ==

In contrast to the stereotypical 1940's Nazi villain Captain Axis, modern racist and anti-Nazi paranoia continues from the ongoing conflict in Europe. Dan Dreiberg has a Jewish surname, and to avoid persecution, adopts the last name Hollis as the original Nite Owl was given the name from his dad's friend to hide his secret Jewish ethnicity, while German music reminds him of oppression when hearing Ride of the Valkyries or the later band Kristallnacht, and out of fear, publishes his book to give himself an American Montana background, since his association with novelist Denise could bring suspicion among conspiracy theorists who believe Jews run the media, just as people make an issue of whether reporter Woodward Bernstein is Jewish, The New Frontiersman gets mail about Jewish conspiracies like the "Jewnited States of America," and even shows a cartoon with a fat Jewish man controlling big business, in league with Communism and organized crime, hiring black prostitutes to sell drugs and Asian street thugs to increase violence, despite having a cartoonist named Feinberg. Nite Owl is wary of the bigoted attitude he sees in Captain Metropolis, who puts the label "black unrest" over the lower United States and makes racist statements about Hispanics and blacks, and Hooded Justice, who supports the ideology of the Third Reich, or the news vendor who accidentally implies all blacks know each other, and the New Frontiersman editor who hates anything Chinese or Russian. Ozymandias believes the subtle meanings taken from the chaos of the media point to a shared ideology, and this racist paranoia is subconsciously promoted by the war.

Ozymandias takes advantage of this racist attitude by calling his rivals Nazis to further villainize them, as he calls The Comedian a Nazi to see if Rorschach agrees, and the Pioneer Publishing office is vandalized with Swastika and Sieg Heil graffiti, likely by competitor Nova Express, owned by Triangle Incorporated, a Veidt subsidiary. The New Frontiersman retaliates by calling Nova Express a Communist anti-American publication, but its fringe views will hardly make a dent in the media, though people already have anti-gay, anti-porn, anti-liberal, and anti-foreign sentiment, which Ozymandias uses by misdirecting the public's fear on each other instead of on him, and gets away with using parts of these ideologies to further his business goals, promoting the human perfection ideal of the Nazis and the societal utopia of Communism justified at any cost, without being called a Communist or Nazi, by dedicating Capitalist resources to sell products based on responses to these fears as a form of mass comfort.

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== Hooded Justice is related to Rorschach ==

The exposÃ© "Under the Hood" is an opportunity for Hollis to cover his past to the public by inventing much of his early life and his associates that we never see, while misdirecting the identity of Hooded Justice. His claim that he saw Hooded Justice and was inspired by him is his way to publicly deny knowledge of who Hooded Justice is, with the wrestler speculation as a further alibi. Nite Owl had a close partnership with Hooded Justice and wanted to keep his identity hidden, mirroring the modern relationship of Nite Owl and Rorschach (as a professional partnership, or a different kind altogether). Hooded Justice's vigilante fighting style was the inspiration for Rorschach, as Rorschach's trainer, or his father, who sees Rorschach's mother when she's working as a whore, and calls himself Charlie. Rorschach respects his father enough to follow in his crimefighting footsteps, haunted by his human side which he blames on sin and all the wrongs of the world, projected onto his mother, a product of the world he has no control over.

* Probably isn't Rorschach's father. HJ is gay, after all.

** Ambiguous. It's entirely possible Hooded Justice is straight, and Mothman or Captain Metropolis or Dollar Bill are gay. We're never told straight out that anyone is gay.

== Hollis Mason is related to Adrian Veidt ==

Hollis Mason is a pseudonym given by Mason's father to him. We don't know Hollis' real name or his dad's. Hollis is 23 in 1939, is blonde, and has a face shot that looks surprisingly like Adrian Veidt, born in 1939. Hollis may have escaped Germany after anti-Nazi sentiment, seeking to prove his loyalty to the US by battling Nazi villain Captain Axis as Nite Owl, while keeping his German heritage hidden. His son Adrian disowns him and makes up stories about his parents immigrating to the US with tons of wealth and dying when he's 17, and continues his life alone, perfecting his skills to live up to his Ãœbermensch ideal. Hollis meets Dan Drieberg and trains him, treating him like a son, letting him avoid prejudice by doing good deeds as Nite Owl. Dan uses the name Hollis to stay anonymous, just as the name has always been used.

== Hollis Mason has a secret ==

Owl figurines surround the trophy of the first Night Owl given during a banquet, which says "In Gratitude." Dan isn't only thankful for being trained by Hollis, he's thankful Hollis has kept his secrets for so long. So are others. What secrets does Hollis know?

Hollis knows which of his friends and associates have become heroes and villains, why someone became a hero or villain if they aren't giving the real reason, which costumes have been traded to keep identities alive, what real names are behind which made up alter egos, where someone is from, whose last name isn't what they claim it is, who is secretly related to whom, who has had intimate relationships with whom, what secret opinions or ideology is whose, what became of heroes reported dead or missing, what secret backstories do all the minor villains have, what professional, romantic, or familial relationships any of the briefly seen civilians may or may not have with anyone, and anything else we just don't know.

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== Dr. Manhattan goes on to create the world of 2001: A Space Odyssey ==

This is why 2001 is populated entirely by monotone people with no emotional connection to each other, and the explanation for the glowing baby at the end: Osterman placed the monoliths and created a successor/heir out of Dave Bowman. He also is the one that put the FIRST monolith there, to bring sentience to the apes. This would ALSO explain why, in the year 2001, that universe has space travel, sentient AIs, and the USSR. It isn't OUR timeline.

== Dr. Manhattan goes on to create the universe of Star Trek ==

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== Dr. Manhattan goes on to create ''every universe ever'' ==

Including this one, but especially [[Deconstructor Fleet]] worlds like the [[Battlestar Galactica Reimagined|BSG]] and [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|NGE]] 'verses. At some point managing all these worlds becomes too much, so he sends out the ''[[Bokurano]]'' fighters to thin the herd. Once he's commenced [[Jumping Off the Slippery Slope]] he creates the [[Warhammer ~~40000~~]] universe to envelope everything, leaves the Chaos Gods (initially Order Gods) to manage things until it all gets completely out of hand, destroys the universe with another Big Bang and starts all over again.

Including this one, but especially [[Deconstructor Fleet]] worlds like the [[Battlestar Galactica Reimagined|BSG]] and [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|NGE]] 'verses. At some point managing all these worlds becomes too much, so he sends out the ''[[Bokurano]]'' fighters to thin the herd. Once he's commenced [[Jumping Off the Slippery Slope]] he creates the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe to envelope everything, leaves the Chaos Gods (initially Order Gods) to manage things until it all gets completely out of hand, destroys the universe with another Big Bang and starts all over again.

== (Movie) Ozymandias is gay ==

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*** Rorschach is a sociopathic, homophobic nutjob. Ozymandias never expressed affection for anything other than himself or Bubastis.

**** Besides, if he were gay you'd think those three chubby servants of his would be hotter.

** You're crazy. Ozymandias is the pinnacle of alpha manliness.

*** Manly =/= heterosexual. Perhaps even Ozymandias doesn't know what he is vis-Ã¡-vis sexual attraction, or doesn't think it's consequential enough to waste time on.

**** Really, in the comic Ozymandias could be gay or straight, since sex and romance are so irrelevant to what we see of him. If the movie version isn't actually gay he was made awfully "swishy," that is effeminate and stereotypically "gay looking." At the same time, (with unfortunate implications) he became overtly sinister and seemed more evil. And he picked up a vaguely European accent. And grew a big black handlebar mustache. (Okay, that last bit isn't true.)

**** His actor's European. That covers all but the mustache.

** Well, he did say that he tried to model himself after Alexander, and Alexander ''did'' have a male lover he was very attached to. Which was fairly common for that time period.

*** Why can I see this leading to some damn good fic? (Perhaps because in my mind Veidt is pretty much a straightforward asexual.) Him trying to get his Alexander on, mostly out of a desire to have someone adequate for the job of being his Hephaestion. And hey, some asexuals enjoy porn.

** Watch the folder names when Dan is going through Ozy's computer. One of them says boys. Figure that one out.

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== Moloch is Rorschach's father. ==

Watch the opening credits carefully. The "customer" coming out of Rorschach's mother's room bears a striking resemblance to Moloch, though his ears are only slightly pointy. He ruffles Walter's hair, something probably nobody else would care enough about him to do. It would fit the archetype, wouldn't it? Framed for killing his own (unknown) father?

* I highly doubt this. They were played by different people in the movie (Moloch was played by Matt Frewer, Young Moloch was played by Mike Carpenter, and the john was played by Tony Bardach). AND, in the graphic novel, the john pushes Walter out of the way (in the face).

== Dr. Manhattan made the "Magic Bullet" ==

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== Dr. Mahattan becomes Tim from ''[[Braid]]''. ==

Think about it.

They can percieve time differently, both have experience in nuclear development, both have issues understanding/developing relationships with women, and both have big regrets.

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== [[Firefly]] is the future of Watchmen ==

Veidt Corporation becomes Blue Sun, and Veidt was partially responsible for starting the Anglo-Sino Alliance. The Alliance has done the whole kill-several-million-people-to-save-more only they didn't have good intentions or the competence of Veidt.

* River and Simon are the direct descendants of Laurie and Dan—they have the looks, the intelligence, and wealth inherited from Dan's inventions. River is also a descendant of Ozymandias, resulting in prodigy-level intellect and physical ability, unusual thinking patterns, and potential mental instability—she must be Simon's half-sister, as Simon shows no signs. Either Doctor Manhattan has chosen her to test his theory of creating superhumans, by granting her a small amount of his omniscience, or she is also a descendant of the psychic sacrificed by Ozymandias to create his monster in the comic.

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== Ozymandias is actually [[Death Note|Light Yagami]] ==

* Think about it.They're both handsome, light-haired, charismatic, messiah-like figures who want world peace {{spoiler|through mass-murder}} ''just as planned...''thirty-five minutes ago. At the same time, Rorschach is L. They're both slightly weird, talk in a monotone, parentless, raised in a home, and like to rant about justice. Also both has a regular stash of sugar cubes.

** This troper belives Dr. Manhattan actually destroyed Rorschach and reconstructed him six years in the past as a new person, while still maintaining the majority of his personality, where he went on to become L. See above, and also note questionable methods to achieve their goals.

== The [[Doom|Doom Marine]] is the reincarnated soul of Eddie Blake/The Comedian and Hell invades in a futile effort to get his soul back/damage control. ==

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== Rorschach is asexual. ==

I can't believe no one said this before.

Rorschach is very childish. He's very naÃ¯ve. Sounds farfetched? Not really. There are plenty evidence that Rorschach is, in fact, stuck at a very childish mindset, and therefore thinks nothing of sex.

* If you read the essey he wrote when he was a child about his parents, you see what he thinks of his father back then, even though he never met him. At the first page of Watchmen, at least 30 years later, he still thinks the same thing. And I quote- "They could have followed in the footsteps of good men like my father, or President Truman. Decent men, who believed in a day's work for a day's pay."

* Rorschach conception of "truth or nothing", thinking that telling the truth is always the good thing to do, is also quite childish and naÃ¯ve.

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* This WAS discussed earlier on this page under different topics. I still don't think he's asexual, as I think he displays signs of being sexually repressed. His line about "American love" has always struck me as an odd thing to say as I don't believe he knows anything of the subject. I think that the desire is there somewhere, I just don't think he can sort it out and is physically repulsed by it. Your theory of him being "child-like" is interesting when you consider that his reaction to sex is pretty much the same as when he walked in on his mom when he was a kid - he doesn't understand it, he thinks it's disgusting and he's probably afraid of it.

* If he was really asexual he wouldn't be so obsessed with other people's sex lives.

** This troper begs to differ, though her obsession tends [[Slash Fic|to the]] [[Yuri Fanboy|other]] [[Yaoi Fangirl|extreme]].

== Silhouette is [[Hellboy (film)|Kroenen's]] (the film version) sister ==

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* Leaving his wife for a sixteen year old.

* Letting the Comedian shoot the [[Asian Baby Mama]].

*** He explained that he cannot change the future because for him is already happening, pinning the death of the mama [[Asian Baby Mama]] on him is taking away The Comedian act from him. The novel would had ended very quickly if he was a jerkass he would had just kill them all and go to Mars and be done with it if that were the case. And Janey left him not the other way around IMO she was already thinking on leaving him out of all her issues with his new found powers and Laurie was just the last straw.

**** Yes. [[Unreliable Narrator|He explained]] that the future is already happening. And [[Jerkass]] doesn't mean [[Chaotic Stupid]]; it's more fun to let them live and mess with them.

**** Just if you think that leaving Earth is the best way to mess with humans... And if you don't trust him as a reliable narrator we might as well say that Rorshach was the one that kidnapped the little girl and feed her to the dogs, that Veidt's was just a foil for Dan's masterplan (the real genius of the book because not even the audience found out) and that [[Asian Baby Mama]] was hatching an Alien into her womb and The comedian saved humankind by killing her...

***** That's it! You've solved everything!

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** He was into the Smurfs before it was cool.

** He precognitively foresaw the Blue Man Group.

** He just really likes to glow blue. Remember, in both the book and the movie he alters his color before the TV interview, and he marks the Hydrogen symbol on his head in black, plus he can ''reconstruct his molecules at will'', so he can obviously look however he wants.

== Predestination wasn't Dr. Manhattan's problem - he was just a putz ==

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== The current [[Alternate Universe|Earth-4]] was created by Dr. Manhattan following Infinite Crisis and 52. ==

As mentioned in the above WMG, there is an Earth that is a DC-ified version of the Watchmen comic. At the end of Watchmen, Jon mentions that he might create some humans of his own. Well after [[Infinite Crisis]], Jon takes advantage of the newly reborn Multiverse to make his Earth (and universe). And he actually managed to make it better (in that it his counterpart isn't as removed as him and that it doesn't appear that a giant squid had destroyed New York).

== When Doctor Manhattan was created, he went someplace. And it was [[Hyperspace Is a Scary Place|very, very cold for a very long time]]. ==

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== Adrian Veidt is asexual. ==

* In both book and film. [[Sissy Villain]] Ozymandias in the film is essentially his version of [[Rich Idiot With No Day Job]]. It tends to throw people off. (Partying with the Village People, too.)

<s>== Dr. Manhattan is a Time Lord. ==</s>

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== Rorschach is a zombie powered by sheer force of will. ==

Under the mask, he shouldn't be able to breathe—not a problem if you don't really need to. (Somebody else gets to explain how he talks.) This is also why he didn't need any obvious protection setting off on foot towards an Antarctic moon base. Injuries take longer to heal, and he still has to eat, but this does explain to some degree his utter disregard for personal comfort. And when he gets a-sploded at the end? How else to dispose of someone who's already dead?

* "(Somebody else gets to explain how he talks.)"—Sentence fragments. No grammar.

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* I gotta admit, when I read the description for Hoffing, I kept thinking 'Ozymandias, Ozymandias, Ozymandias'... I would not be at all surprised if Watchmen was a major inspiration for that Catalyst. And Rorschach may be a Grimm.

* Dan is a saner Staunen.

* Doctor Manhattan is an Orphaned Wonder. Think about it for a moment. It explains EVERYTHING.

== The "Intrinsic Field" that Dr. Manhattan lost during his creation was actually his [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|AT Field]] ==

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* The watchmen are all a simulation created by an engine that badass normal superheroes like robin or batman built in order to understand the various outcomes that might occur to them in their line of work. This is the resson why most of the superheroes in the comic/movie are depicted without superpowers, they are all just different conceptual variations of teen titans' Robin.

* Dr. Manhattan serves as a representation of all the superheroes that are distinctly superhuman. There is only one of him in order to focus on the radical influence his existance has on the rest of humanity, as well as the team. So the watchmen are a simulation created by Batman in order to understand and comprehend the effect that his job would have on him from various points of perspective, and in the form of Manhattan he is able to anticipate and thwart his superpowered teammates (as demonstrated by Ozymandias)

** Um, I'm not sure how to respond to this WMG, considering [[~~Cowboy~~ ~~Bebop~~ ~~at His Computer~~|you clearly only watched the movie]]. Other than that, though, it's an interesting theory, if just more applicable to the movie-verse. But yeah, [[I Am Not Shazam|they're not a team, and they're not called the watchmen]].

** Um, I'm not sure how to respond to this WMG, considering [[Media Research Failure|you clearly only watched the movie]]. Other than that, though, it's an interesting theory, if just more applicable to the movie-verse. But yeah, [[I Am Not Shazam|they're not a team, and they're not called the watchmen]].

** Yeah, consider this as the movie-based WMG.

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== Veidt was the result of [[Stupid Jetpack Hitler|Nazi superscience]]. ==

We know that he's German and was born during the time that the Nazis were in power, at least. It's entirely possible that his father was a geneticist decades ahead of his time. Using his own genetic material he created a child that was the picture of Aryan perfection: A blond-haired, blue-eyed German who would grow up to be "the smartest man in the world" and an Olympic gymnast well into middle age. He saw the writing on the wall and fled to America before the war was over. Years later, Adrian found his father's notes and expanded on them, using them to create Bubastis and {{spoiler|The Squid}}.

** ...DUDE. ''DUDE''. [[User:Megan Phntm Grl|I've]] been using a variation on this for my RP Veidt for like a year now- the differences being that Adrian's father was merely a camp commander who volunteered his pregnant wife over for experimentation on their unborn child. And it wasn't his father's notes that lead Adrian into knowing about genetics. But still. That brings me to my personal WMG:

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== Seymour is Rorschach's younger brother. ==

Seymour (the guy who works at The New Frontiersman) is the only other red-haired character who is named in all of Watchmen. Coincidence? I think NOT! As for the math, at the end of Chapter 6, in the arrest report, it says <s>Rorschach</s> Kovacs was born in 1940. At the end of Chapter 8, it says that it is 1985. Kovacs is 45, for everyone who failed first grade math. At the end of Chapter 6, it says that Kovacs was 16 when his mother died. He went into the home when he was 10, leaving plenty of time for Sylvia to have another son who was taken away (or was a baby when she died and they didn't think Kovacs was suitable to take care of a child, so they gave his to a foster family).

* Idea for future story: Seymour reads the journal, does some research, and learns the truth about his brother Rorschach. He then makes a new mask, trains, and becomes the new Rorschach, set on exposing and killing Veidt to avenge big brother Walter.

== Veidt is...NOT GAY ==

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== Fate is not predetermined, Manhattan just makes it that way ==

Think about it. If fate was predetermined then the Watchmen universe would not exist, as only one world would be possible, and therefore the entire [[Alternate History]] would be moot. When Jon sees the future, he sees every possible future, and then "forgets" all the ones that didn't happen. When he says something "will happen" that's only with the most obvious causality, as he's seeing many possible futures with the same event brought on by present causality. When he says it, that just causes it to become a [[Self-Fulfilling Prophecy]], as by his actions the universe course corrects. In short, he's subconsciously selecting which future will happen, and forgetting all the others. For example he creates a future in which he meets Laurie because he subconsciously does not want to spend the rest of his life with a woman who's clearly disturbed by who he is, he then subconsciously creates a future where Laurie leaves him because he wants a future where she's happy. He also subconsciously creates a future where America dominates because at first he's subconsciously very nationalistic. Then in Vietnam he becomes disillusioned, and subconsciously creates a future where Veidt goes through with the squid plan because he subconsciously wants peace. All this without him ever being aware of it.

== Rorschach compromised. ==

Specifically, when he demanded Jon kill him, he was trying to avoid having to go against Ozymandias. He knew that it would be hard and ultimately futile to continue fighting, but he felt couldn't live with himself if he didn't. His plans to stop Ozy, however, crumbled when Jon came to stop him. At that point, everyone was against him. He probably could have pretended to be pacified until Jon went off back to Mars or wherever, but he no longer saw the point in going on when he knew he would never make a difference against so big of a force. He felt disillusioned with his own worldview, having seen that people can do horrible things with the intent to do good. No longer knowing what he stood for, clinging desperately to principles he was too afraid to question, but still ashamed of the concept of surrender, he committed suicide by [[Physical God]]. When he removed his mask, it wasn't a case of him [[Dying as Yourself|Dying As Himself]]. It was instead the opposite: he felt that, having abandoned all he believed in, he was no longer Rorschach.

* Note that in the letter young Walter wrote about his parents he mentions how he supported Truman's decision to drop the atomic bomb on Japan, i.e. sacrificing millions of innocent lives to prevent continuance of the war is justified, indicating his willingness to compromise and accept sacrifice in the name of deterring further destruction. By the end of the story it seems Rorschach has undergone a complete 180, disagreeing with Adrian's Truman-like sacrifice of New York to prevent nuclear war, but his childhood consequentialism prevails in his allowance to be destroyed by Doctor Manhattan.

** He still thinks Truman did the right think in the events of the novel, he mentions Truman being a "good man" in the first chapter.

== A law of the Conservation of Superpowers exists ==

Other universes have many superheroes who are moderately powerful.

This one has one hero, and he is basically god.

== [[Nightmare Fuel|Doctor Manhattan experienced/is experiencing/will experience the heat death of the universe]] ==

While it may not look like this sometimes, we have to remember that "Doctor Manhattan", as we call him, is no longer truly a physical being. He is an omnipresent, nigh omnipotent(but not omniscient), bodiless "entity" that exists unbound by space and time. The smurf is just a physical avatar created for the human's convenience(Like [[Suzumiya Haruhi|Yuki Nagato, but less cute]]). He(it?) is completely and utterly immortal, for all we know, at any given point in time experiences the entirety of his existence-past, present, and future. Billions of years mean nothing. He will still be there, floating in the quantum background of reality when the heat death happens and the universe turns into a cold, lightness void... for all of eternity. And he experiences every second of that eternity of loneliness and cold every moment of his life. No wonder the guy is emotionally detached. He already has/will have an [[Unknown Armies|infinite amount of failed checks on the Isolation track.]]

== [[Justice League (animation)|Rorschach is the Question]] ==

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== Dr. Manhattan is not sentient due to his every thought being predestined and simultaneous. ==

If, as he says, everyone is a puppet, why would that stop at the level of external interactions? It is possible he has no capability of individual thoughts or feelings, and is not even ''consience''. This, of course, would extend to every other life form, particle, and metaphysical phenominon in the universe. However, he is unique in his nonlinear experience of time, meaning he does not get even the pretense of conscience or control. He, experiencing every feeling, thought, and action as simultaneous and constant, would not even have the capacity to think about the true horror of his situation. He could not have any independent thoughts at all. Because of that, he couldn't even think that he had thoughts, so self-awareness is beyond him. He can't perceive anything, as that would require a thought to come in response to a stimuli. He is nothing but an [[Empty Shell]]. This troper just realized this and is now feeling quite [[Fridge Horror|horrified and disturbed]].

** He is no more an empty shell than anyone else. All actions of people are predictable with an advanced enough knowledge of the past (with the exception of decisions directly based on quantum uncertainty), Dr. Manhattan is no different. His thoughts, like all thoughts, derive from his senses and his past - it's simply that his senses include the results his thoughts will have. If you consider humans self-aware, you must consider Manhattan self-aware for the same reasons. From the fact that he can be tricked by tachyons, he does not do everything simulatenously, he just sees across time. And if you think he doesn't have the capacity to feel horror of it, I suggest you read the Mars chapter again.

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== In the graphic novel, Veidt is Jewish. ==

* The reason this troper doesn't actually endorse this is ''hot damn the [[Unfortunate Implications]]'', but his parents were getting the fuck out of Germany in 1939, while his mother was heavily pregnant, which would imply some urgency. It might have been for another reason, but with how stereotypically [[Phenotype Stereotype|Aryan]] Veidt looks (handsome, blond and powerfully built) and the implications of making any superhero [[Ambiguously Jewish]] it would make a decent theory. If not for the um, pretty much terrible implications of "handsome, [[Ambiguously Gay]], ridiculously rich super-secret-stealth-Jew liberal committing mass murder for peace".

** This only works in the GN, though. Matthew Goode has explicitly stated that film!Veidt was the son of a Nazi family himself, and it was ironically him rebelling against that upbringing that lead him to go down the path he ultimately embarked on.

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== The Question I was Rorschach's father. ==

It takes a special kind of person to feel most comfortable without a face. Possibly genetic? Must investigate further. Also, Question's real name was Charles. As in, Charlie. Think about it.

== The Comedian was trying to get the Keene Act started. ==

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== Dr Manhattan is [[The Bible|God]]. ==

After the end of the story, he learnt how to time travel, and went back to the dawn of time to create the universe, and ultimately create life and human existence. [[Fridge Brilliance|He, technically, would have created himself!]]

The second coming of Christ will involve him coming back to save humankind from the nuclear fallout resulting from Rorschach's journal.

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== Veidt's [[Xanatos Gambit]] was to turn Bubastis into a [[Physical God]]. ==

This relates to the [[Wild Mass Guessing|WMGs]] above about Veidt being welcomed into the Egyptian afterlife, and about Bubastis being fused with Dr. Manhattan.

Veidt figured if Bubastis became a goddess, then she could make him into a god in the afterlife. The only way to do this was to fuse her with the only known [[Physical God]] in their universe, Dr.Manhattan.

And he knew that Bubastis would be able to reconstruct herself as Dr. Manhattan had done, once she had his memories.

And because he's "the smartest man in the world", he doesn't test his theory out on himself, of course.

Bubastis was pissed for a while, but eventually forgave him. Besides, she's the only one he ever really loved.

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