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* At the tail end of the ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures]]'' story "Dreamland", Future Raphael (the story is set in the year 2094, a hundred years after the series' present) and antagonist Verminator X are in the middle of a [[Mexican Standoff]]. Verminator taunts Raph, saying that the turtles are too heroic to pull the trigger (this is one of the continuities where the turtles don't kill). Raph shoots him. Mikey and Leo try to call him on it, but he refuses to feel guilty about it, saying that Splinter's teachings about not killing don't apply in the now harsher world, and that Verminator would have probably killed them all in the future if he hadn't shot him.
* At the tail end of the ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures]]'' story "Dreamland", Future Raphael (the story is set in the year 2094, a hundred years after the series' present) and antagonist Verminator X are in the middle of a [[Mexican Standoff]]. Verminator taunts Raph, saying that the turtles are too heroic to pull the trigger (this is one of the continuities where the turtles don't kill). Raph shoots him. Mikey and Leo try to call him on it, but he refuses to feel guilty about it, saying that Splinter's teachings about not killing don't apply in the now harsher world, and that Verminator would have probably killed them all in the future if he hadn't shot him.
* Happens regularly to ''[[Batman]]'', either because his [[Beware the Superman|distrust of his teammates]] gets to levels the others don't consider [[Properly Paranoid|proper]] anymore, with mixed results; either because one of the [[True Companions|Batfamily]] [[Calling the Old Man Out|Calls The Old Man Out]] after he's been [[I Work Alone|pushing them away too much]], with much drama involved.
* Happens regularly to ''[[Batman]]'', either because his [[Beware the Superman|distrust of his teammates]] gets to levels the others don't consider [[Properly Paranoid|proper]] anymore, with mixed results; either because one of the [[True Companions|Batfamily]] [[Calling the Old Man Out|Calls The Old Man Out]] after he's been [[I Work Alone|pushing them away too much]], with much drama involved.
** [[Blue Beetle|Jaime Reyes]] does it ''accidentally'' when he asks Batman "what psycho-nutjob supervillain built" Brother Eye. After a moment's silence, Batman asks him not to repeat it to Green Arrow.
** [[Blue Beetle|Jaime Reyes]] does it ''accidentally'' when he asks Batman "what psycho-nutjob supervillain built" Brother Eye. After a moment's silence, Batman asks him not to repeat it to Green Arrow.
** Also sometimes happens to Batman's protégés Nightwing and Robin when ''their'' teammates judge they're starting [[Not So Different|to behave too much like their mentor]].
** Also sometimes happens to Batman's protégés Nightwing and Robin when ''their'' teammates judge they're starting [[Not So Different|to behave too much like their mentor]].
** Oracle also got a rather epic calling out after Huntress realized her "missions" were really a covert therapy session. Offended that Barbara was trying to "fix" her, she left the team, but not without giving one last parting shot:
** Oracle also got a rather epic calling out after Huntress realized her "missions" were really a covert therapy session. Offended that Barbara was trying to "fix" her, she left the team, but not without giving one last parting shot:
{{quote|'''Huntress:''' You left Gotham because you wanted to get away from Batman's influence. But you turned out just like him.
{{quote|'''Huntress:''' You left Gotham because you wanted to get away from Batman's influence. But you turned out just like him.
'''Oracle:''' Huntress...I...
'''Oracle:''' Huntress...I...
'''Huntress:''' ''[[Punctuated for Emphasis|Just. Like. Him.]]'' }}
'''Huntress:''' ''[[Punctuated! For! Emphasis!|Just. Like. Him.]]'' }}
** During the Red Robin/Batgirl Collision crossover, Stephanie Brown delivers a rant to Tim Drake, after hearing he led the League of Assassins, about his hypocrisy and moral ambiguity. Then he admits that she is entirely correct, and he'll try to be better in the future. This is this trope when it actually works - Superboy did several subtle hints around this theme an issue (of Red Robin, not the preceding Batgirl) earlier.
** During the Red Robin/Batgirl Collision crossover, Stephanie Brown delivers a rant to Tim Drake, after hearing he led the League of Assassins, about his hypocrisy and moral ambiguity. Then he admits that she is entirely correct, and he'll try to be better in the future. This is this trope when it actually works - Superboy did several subtle hints around this theme an issue (of Red Robin, not the preceding Batgirl) earlier.
* A recent issue of ''[[The Brave and the Bold]]'' gave [[Justice Society of America|JSA]] member Magog this treatment when he [[Kick the Son of a Bitch|ripped a terrorist's arm off]] to stop him from blowing up a bunch of kids, prompting an incredulous "Are you some kind of a maniac?!" from [[Booster Gold]].
* A recent issue of ''[[The Brave and the Bold]]'' gave [[Justice Society of America|JSA]] member Magog this treatment when he [[Kick the Son of a Bitch|ripped a terrorist's arm off]] to stop him from blowing up a bunch of kids, prompting an incredulous "Are you some kind of a maniac?!" from [[Booster Gold]].
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* ''[[War of Kings]]'': Many, many characters has this reaction towards {{spoiler|[[The Inhumans|Black Bolt's]] [[Assimilation Plot]].}} Then it got worse - {{spoiler|he gets one [[What the Hell, Hero?]] from VULCAN!}}
* ''[[War of Kings]]'': Many, many characters has this reaction towards {{spoiler|[[The Inhumans|Black Bolt's]] [[Assimilation Plot]].}} Then it got worse - {{spoiler|he gets one [[What the Hell, Hero?]] from VULCAN!}}
* Carol Danvers a.k.a. Ms. Marvel eventually gives the Avengers an epic verbal beating regarding the events of the infamous Avengers # 200.<ref>The story in question involved Carol being unknowingly impregnated in order for Immortus's son to escape from Limbo. As a result of this, reality starts coming undone and Carol ends up returning to Limbo with the guy who [[Mind Rape|brainwashed]] and raped her. The other Avengers see absolutely nothing wrong with this.</ref> [http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/819915.html Witness it here in all its glory.]
* Carol Danvers a.k.a. Ms. Marvel eventually gives the Avengers an epic verbal beating regarding the events of the infamous Avengers # 200.<ref>The story in question involved Carol being unknowingly impregnated in order for Immortus's son to escape from Limbo. As a result of this, reality starts coming undone and Carol ends up returning to Limbo with the guy who [[Mind Rape|brainwashed]] and raped her. The other Avengers see absolutely nothing wrong with this.</ref> [http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/819915.html Witness it here in all its glory.]
* In the 2003 series, ''Trinity'', which details the first meeting between [[Superman]], [[Batman]], and [[Wonder Woman]], Wonder Woman gives one to Batman when they first meet and Batman uses the [[Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique]] on a mook for info.
* In the 2003 series, ''Trinity'', which details the first meeting between [[Superman]], [[Batman]], and [[Wonder Woman]], Wonder Woman gives one to Batman when they first meet and Batman uses the [[Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique]] on a mook for info.
* ''[[Kingdom Come]]'' Superman gets stuff sprayed in his eyes by criminals, blinding him. He takes a wild swing, hitting our Superman. He apologizes, saying he was aiming for the crooks, but Supes points out that if that punch had hit anyone else, they would be dead.
* ''[[Kingdom Come]]'' Superman gets stuff sprayed in his eyes by criminals, blinding him. He takes a wild swing, hitting our Superman. He apologizes, saying he was aiming for the crooks, but Supes points out that if that punch had hit anyone else, they would be dead.
* Happens several times in the ''[[Squadron Supreme]]'' limited series, as the Squadron continue their efforts to take over the world. Most of the callouts are given by Blackhawk, but Amphibian gets in a few licks too.
* Happens several times in the ''[[Squadron Supreme]]'' limited series, as the Squadron continue their efforts to take over the world. Most of the callouts are given by Blackhawk, but Amphibian gets in a few licks too.
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*** When Courtney discovers that {{spoiler|Hermia had it within her power to find a loophole in the spell and clear said changeling's name (which would have saved the changeling from its death sentence), yet chose to remain silent because "I just wanted to be left alone", she calls her out on it.}}
*** When Courtney discovers that {{spoiler|Hermia had it within her power to find a loophole in the spell and clear said changeling's name (which would have saved the changeling from its death sentence), yet chose to remain silent because "I just wanted to be left alone", she calls her out on it.}}
*** When Courtney rescues one of her classmates from the fairy realm, he instantly starts complaining about how dangerous it is and how the warlocks in the human world should go in and destroy it. Courtney points out to him that ''they'' are the intruders and that if he had listened to her instead of barging in and assuming that it was "Disney land meets [[Lord of the Rings]]", they wouldn't be in the mess they're in.
*** When Courtney rescues one of her classmates from the fairy realm, he instantly starts complaining about how dangerous it is and how the warlocks in the human world should go in and destroy it. Courtney points out to him that ''they'' are the intruders and that if he had listened to her instead of barging in and assuming that it was "Disney land meets [[Lord of the Rings]]", they wouldn't be in the mess they're in.
* [[The Punisher]] gets called out by almost every hero (and even a few villains) he comes across.
* [[The Punisher]] gets called out by almost every hero (and even a few villains) he comes across.
* Hercules did this to [[Wonder Woman]] during ''One Year Later'' after he found out that she had run away from being a superhero.
* Hercules did this to [[Wonder Woman]] during ''One Year Later'' after he found out that she had run away from being a superhero.
** Wonder Woman gets a huge one when she {{spoiler|kills Max Lord}}.
** Wonder Woman gets a huge one when she {{spoiler|kills Max Lord}}.
* ''[[Superman]]'' was given by one of these in the wake of the New Krypton event, in which a woman chewed out Superman for being offworld when her husband died of a brain tumour, claiming that he could have saved him. This apparently led Superman to attempt to reconnect with humanity by [[Walking the Earth]]. There has been some issue taken with the woman's rant. Firstly, readers are skeptical that Superman's heat vision is superior to all medical technology for the purposes of removing inoperable brain tumours. Superman helps humanity purely for selfless reasons, making chewing him out for not saving a specific person seem just slightly ungrateful. And Superman was occupied at the time trying to prevent a war between New Krypton and Earth, meaning that he was in fact still dealing with humanity's problems. And finally, the New Krypton event ended with humans blowing up the planet, killing most of the Kryptonians. Meaning that the woman is yelling at him for being distracted by humanity ''committing genocide against Superman's species''. In short, it's odd that Superman's reaction was to decide he needed to reconnect with humanity, instead of having to restrain himself from demonstrating the effect of Kryptonian heat vision on the human brain.
* ''[[Superman]]'' was given by one of these in the wake of the New Krypton event, in which a woman chewed out Superman for being offworld when her husband died of a brain tumour, claiming that he could have saved him. This apparently led Superman to attempt to reconnect with humanity by [[Walking the Earth]]. There has been some issue taken with the woman's rant. Firstly, readers are skeptical that Superman's heat vision is superior to all medical technology for the purposes of removing inoperable brain tumours. Superman helps humanity purely for selfless reasons, making chewing him out for not saving a specific person seem just slightly ungrateful. And Superman was occupied at the time trying to prevent a war between New Krypton and Earth, meaning that he was in fact still dealing with humanity's problems. And finally, the New Krypton event ended with humans blowing up the planet, killing most of the Kryptonians. Meaning that the woman is yelling at him for being distracted by humanity ''committing genocide against Superman's species''. In short, it's odd that Superman's reaction was to decide he needed to reconnect with humanity, instead of having to restrain himself from demonstrating the effect of Kryptonian heat vision on the human brain.