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'''== Highlord Bolvar is{{spoiler|n't actually dead.}} =='''

** Come the {{spoiler|Icecrown Citadel raid, we most likely will be facing both Bolvar AND Saurfang Jr., now death knights, as bosses.}}

** Also if you pay attention to the cinematic it looks like {{spoiler|Arthas absorbed both Bolvar and Saurfang Jr's souls with Frostmourne}}

*** So we can infer: {{spoiler|incoming Icecrown boss fight! Saurfang Jr. & Bolvar as Death Knights!}}.

**** This is now officially confirmed.

****** Or, if the theory further down holds up, he's going to be {{spoiler|the next Lich King}}.

******* Confirmed too

 

The Red Dragonflight is known for it's eniminity with the Horde, and now against Ogres. To make things more blatant, Drakonid's were openly discussed by Blizzard as consideration for a playable race.

== The Curse of Flesh corrupted more than just the residents of Azeroth ==

The Curse of Flesh was created by the Old Gods to "facilitate assimilation" of the Titans' new world, and turned most of the Earthen and Mechagnomes into their current states (as dwarves and gnomes). However, when the Titans tried to remove the curse, they found that doing so would destroy Azeroth (thus forcing the Titans to contain the Old Gods using Azeroth as the prison, C'thun in the Temple of Ahn'Qiraj and Yogg-Saron inside Ulduar). However, if the curse only affected the races of Azeroth, why would it's removal destroy the planet? Simple: the Curse of Flesh infected Azeroth itself. However, it did more than just corrupt the planet. Bear in mind that the Old Gods have been based on the Cthulhu Mythos: C'thun is named similarly to Cthulhu, and Yogg-Saron matches up with Yogg-Shoggoth. Cthulhu and Yogg-Shoggoth are 2 of the most well known Old Gods from the Cthulhu Mythos, along with The King in Yellow (aka Hastur), Nyarlathotep, and Azathoth. Assuming Blizzard is naming their Old Gods based on H.P. Lovecraft's, then Azathoth should become something like... Azeroth. The Curse of Flesh made the entire planet into an Old God.

== Garrosh, and possibly Varian, are being driven crazy by the effects of Saronite. ==

* Garrosh, as we all know, is a major [[The Scrappy|scrappy]] after going from being fairly mellow in Burning Crusade to [[Axe Crazy]] [[Fantastic Racism|racist]] stubborn [[Too Dumb to Live]] [[Jerkass]] who thinks Orcish fighting bloodlust can replace things like supplies and siege equipment (and this is coming from a career-long Horde player!). This only happened after he moved from the relatively uncorrupted fields of Nagrand to the frosty continent of Northrend, building a fortress from a black material that looks suspiciously like Saronite. During Blizzcon '09, when the new look of Orgrimmar was revealed, the similarity of the metal to the one used in Warsong Hold and elsewhere in Northrend was explicitly pointed out. This could all be a coincidence, but after hearing {{spoiler|that Garrosh will become the new leader of the Horde in Cataclysm}}, [[O Jthe LION|This Troper]] is hoping the writers have a way out of the upcoming freight train of Scrappyness approaching the storyline if they leave it that way. As for Varian, well, it's fairly unlikely that this is the reason for him acting a bit [[Jerkass]]-y as he is wont to do since he came into [[WoW]]. On the other hand, he has also had a rather abrupt personality change from the comics to his introduction in the actual game, and this would be a nice unifying circumstance for both the Horde and the Alliance.

*** It explicitly puts you under the control of a [[Cosmic Horror]] who likes suffering. Why ''wouldn't'' it be made of saronite?

**** Given that a large number of level 80 Blacksmithing items have saronite as a large component, it would also explain the apparent bloodlust of the player base too.

** What about players? They can wear full saronite armor and never exerience a thing. Having halucinations basod on the ammount of saronite gear would have been ''awesome''.

*** According to Darion Mograine, the Ashen Verdict has learned how to bend Saronite to their will. He doesn't say why, but this indicates there is a method and the Ashen Verdict found it.

* The gates of Ogrimmar are being refitted with dark iron that looks a little like Saronite. It's possible that Garrosh may arm himself with similar equipment, apart from wielding Gorehowl, his father's axe again.

 

* Let's hope. Sure, Blizzard is trying to ramp up the faction conflict...but putting [[The Scrappy]] in charge of one side is [[Creator's Pet|probably not the best way to go]].

** Actually, there's a certain amount of logic in making Garrosh the new Warchief. First is that he fought Thrall for it and won (there's a video of it [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA6DvBvUQPk here]). Second is that he reminds the orc population of their pre-corruption past and what it means to truly be an orc, whereas Thrall has always been calling for a truce between the Horde and the Alliance to help fight bigger threats (which for the most part has been proven rather needless: parties from both sides can take down the bigger threats to Azeroth without any need for cross-faction cooperation) whereas most orcs would rather like to get revenge on various parts of the Alliance. If there was to be an election between the two of them, pundits would be saying that Garrosh appeals to core ideals in the voting public, whereas Thrall has policies with an eye to the future and the "bigger picture".

** It turns out that he already significantly upset Cairne enough to challenge him to a duel, which ends in {{spoiler|Cairne collapsing and eventually dying from being poisoned by the Grimtotems}}. It's likely that he won't go over well with the other races, especially if he actually does kick the trolls out of Ogrimmar for being "weak", especially considering the blood elves' and Forsaken's more tenuous loyalty to the Horde; Garrosh may crack down on the Forsaken even harder than Thrall did, and thus cause tension the races.

*** Garrosh is at least reasonable. The trolls are looking to take back Echo Isles, so he kicks them all out and it works out for the best. The Blood Elves know they're a problem and are trying to prove themselves, probably. As for the Forsaken Undead...well, Sylvanas isn't certainly doing anything to win points with anyone, using both New Blight and Val'kyr to resurrect new Forsaken to her cause. He's at least right in suspecting her as becoming no different than the (former) Lich King. He also felt imense guilt when {{spoiler|he believed that Cairne's death was his fault until he learned of the Grimtotem plot.}}

* This is pretty much canon. According to [[Word of God]], one of the reasons Deathwing is so powerful now is that the Old Gods, who drove him insane in the first place, are growing in power. As a consequence, Deathwing's power has also increased. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume that the remaining Old Gods are piggybacking on Deathwing's return.

** Given that Deathwing needed a ton of metal plates to keep himself together and whole, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Old Gods got him to "upgrade" the armour plating with armour made with their own version of saronite.

* This might have some potential as an event has come up in the beta wherein Alexstraza tries to do what she did with Malygos and finally put down Deathwing. What happens? She succeeds. The kicker is that afterwards he revives and beats the crap out of her, necessitating the player bearing her away (one hopes in her elven form) and another red dragon sacrificing himself to slow Deathwing down.

 

Let's face it: unless dragons are capable of asexual reproduction, I doubt there were many other ways that Onyxia could have produced all of those whelp eggs...

* So who's Sartharion been bumping uglies with? The guy's got an entire cavern full of dragon eggs to protect, who laid all of them?? (I'd suggest Onyxia, but that would lead to... interesting implications about Sartharion's love life...)

** Sintharia isn't dead, so she's still most likely producing eggs. All dragons are either asexual or willingly engage in incest to continue their flight. Now that the Twilight has dragons in their own right, they are probably able to reproduce without the magic infusion.

** One, the Twilight Dragons are created from corrupting and mutating Netherwing Dragon eggs, we even see Sintharia procuring some of them as far back as BC, though there are signs the black flight may have found away to use other eggs now; and two, all Twilight dragons come from corrupted eggs of other flights, since one of the quests in Cata involves the player making sure the first ever fertile Twilight Broodmother to be created is killed.

* Velen. I did hear a rumor that he was stepping down. He's certainly peaceful enough, and Nobundo could take his place.

** Eh? Who told you ''that'' one? No, the draenei, as a race, look likely to [[Demoted to Extra|sit on their tails]] for ''another'' entire expansion pack. And while Nobundo gets ''some'' of the respect he rates nowadays, he's no Velen.

** One should note that Arthas is an inexperienced college-age slightly gullible Prince who has never properly lead anything in his life. Ner'zhul has no excuse.

*** Arthas is actually 31 years old during most of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion, and no longer so gullible at all. He has properly lead quite a good many things, assuming that you are not confusing "extreme views and refusal to give up" with "improper leadership". Finally, he's not incompetent; he just doesn't care. Arthas doesn't actually WANT to kill everyone the way Ner'zhul did (yes, did, because Arthas destroyed and consumed him); he just wants to rule. If people serve him in life, less work for him. But honestly, excluding the show-of-power-threat invasion event, name one instance in which Arthas, once under his own command, went out of his way to kill ANYONE who didn't come to him/get in his way first. 'x3; He just doesn't care.

Because since when do villains actually merge together into one more powerful villain? It's unheard of! Either both of them are sharing a body (Ner'zhul in the armour, Arthas wearing the armour) or one has absorbed the other so that they can become more powerful (the various plot points seem to imply that Ner'zhul absorbed Arthas, however the backstory suggests that Arthas has the willpower and drive to actually overpower Ner'zhul and take his power for his own).

* Canon. The Lich King is, according to Metzen, "Arthas's body and personality, and Ner'zhul's wisdom, experience, power, and evil." Note that none of the Ner'zhul parts actually require his presence, however. Rather, they are remnants Arthas retains after destroying/consuming Ner'zhul at the end of his five-year sleep.

 

== No character is actually dead ==

 

== The Infinite Dragonflight is led by Nozdormu from an alternate timeline. ==

 

 

In other words, had the Legion never been turned back, the Bronze Dragonflight may well have become the Infinite Dragonflight. The Infinite are simply trying to preserve their own existence, by altering key historical events to ensure that they are created.

* {{spoiler|Confirmed in Twilight of the Aspects.}}

 

 

== Kel'Thuzad will return ''again'' at some point. ==

 

* Alternatively, Kael is a mage. |3 He just knew how to use Mirror Image before we did. MAGISTER'S TERRACE WAS MERELY A SETBACK<3

 

== Turalyon and Alleria are fighting demons on Argus. ==

There are multiple [http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Dimensional_gateway dimensional gateways] akin to the Dark Portal scattered throughout Outland even now. Many of them are even functional. And even if we presume that those are the only dimensional gateways that still exist, they canonically lead to [http://www.wowpedia.org/World other worlds.]

 

 

 

== Players are actually a Titan defense mechanism. ==

Ok, ignoring that blatent use of Dues Ex Machina in the final battle against the Lich King, there is one thing that has always bothered me... where the hell did his father and the other spirits get the strength to do that. But I won't go into that... The main point of this WMG is quite simple... Arthas isn't dead... and my reasoning for this is quite simple. It wasn't the father who appeared when the sword was broken... it was one of the Old Gods, or at least a represnetive. The reasoning behind this (besides the spooky back tone in his voice when they needed a new Lich king), comes from a number of things. First of all, the Line 'No King Rules forever', was also used by one of the older gods during your raid fight against them. Also, when Arthas asks about it being over, it looks his father is shaking his head. The reason why Arthas isn't dead, is because his soul was snatched up by one of the old gods, and the darkness that he sees before him isn't death, but instead a time of servitude and mind control. Eventually he will return, as a future raid boss/enemy. Plus, Warcraft 3/WoW can be seen in some ways as 'his' story, in a similar manner to how the 6 Star wars movies were Anakins story. Unlike Anakin however, Arthas hasn't pulled off a heroic redeeming sacrifice.... Assuming anything I said actually made sense to you.

* At least as much sense as anything else here, eh? Valid points enough, though, really. And on that note, Icecrown was merely a setback!

 

== The Mortal Races of Azeroth Will Succeed the Dragons ==

* Given that there's 10 (and soon 12) player races, the Titans are going to have to come up with some new aspects for them to represent. Plus, given that 2 of the races aren't native to Azeroth (Orcs and Draenei), 2 of them were created by the Curse of Flesh (Dwarves and Gnomes) and 2 races are afflicted with a curse of some sort (Worgen and Forsaken), it only leaves half the player races as legitimately Titan created (and even then that's assuming Night Elves were actually creations of the Titans and/or an evolutionary offshoot of Trolls rather than being created/"influenced" by Elune, and that Blood Elves are counted as merely victims of their own addiction rather than being in cahoots with the Burning Legion). All in all, it mat leave the Titans with the impression that it might just be quicker to blow up Azeroth and start from scratch. (Cue the expansion after Cataclysm involving the return of the Titans as a series of raid bosses)

** Hadn't considered the Dwarves/Gnomes and Worgen/Forsaken angles. Though another option, if the Titans assigned aspects, would be to assign one aspect each to a race of both the Alliance and the Horde. Tauren & Night Elves would be nature, for example, each taking the Green Dragonflight's gig for their respective faction. Blood Elves & Draenei could take over for the Bronze (perhaps even why the Bronze Dragons see your orphan as such a threat when you visit during Children's Week). The addition of Goblins and Worgen spanner the works a bit, but then perhaps there has been enough change on Azeroth to warrant a new aspect in need of protection.

 

== Garrosh is such a hyper-aggressive [[Jerkass]] because there's a shard of Saronite lodged in his brain. ==

* Unfortunately there's a hole in that theory: he was a hyper-aggressive [[Jerkass]] before they left for Northrend.

** Alternate theory: Thrall is the one with saronite in his brain. It would explain promoting Garrosh to Warchief.

 

== Being a Defias is the national hobby of Stormwind ==

* this post is a CMOA

** Agreed.

 

== Tseric committed suicide ==

** ... Dude.. [[Die for Our Ship]] much? Canon is canon; Jaina has never been in love with Thrall. Deal with it.

** Forget any and all shipping for one moment (why does everyone always assume everything is about that?) and take a objective look at Weilla's writing style, characterizations, plotting, and dealing with lore (which, despite being a AU verse takes into account as much Lore as possible), then compare all of the above to Knaak. Yeah, think on that.

* Poor spelling aside, it ''does'' make sense. Say what you will about Weiila's writing (and, trust me: ''none'' of us are going to convince anyone that we're the supreme arbiters of quality), but she's at very least more proficient at both plotting and characterization than Knaak.

 

== The optional final boss of the Bastion of Twilight will be C'thun resurrected at full power and the horrifying secret will be The Old Gods playing a role in the creation of the Twilight Dragonflight. ==

* It'd hardly be the first attempt by the Old Gods to [http://www.wowwiki.com/Demon_Soul control a Dragonflight], and Blizzard has already shown an interest in revamping old-world raid content for new expansions. Having C'thun make an appearance in the Bastion of Twilight doesn't seem that far-fetched, really.

* According to this ripped video, {{spoiler|1=the above has been jossed. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m38uOikAIdg Sinestra] is indeed the optional boss, judging from the quote she provides about Cho'gall in the beginning.}}

== Azeroth is a [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|Spiral world.]] ==

Either that or Algalon is the closest thing that the Warcraft universe has to Anti-Spiral. Loken, the one entrusted with the Titans, was corrupted, and certain events (his death) sent a signal that the world had become too corrupt, and it could be said that the world was doomed if the players hadn't intervened. Oh, and the battle takes place in space, with Algalon possessing an attack called Big Bang. This quote helps seal the deal that Azeroth and its beings possess Spiral Power:

* It would explain why, whenever a new threat appears, the players can grow to the exact level needed to defeat it and no higher: once they have re-established themselves as the top predator, there is no need to continue evolving, because the environment doesn't change.

 

== The Titans are a bunch of idiots who pussied out of doing the job properly. ==

Name me ONE place where the titans did something that some evil dude didn't fuck up big time much later? Aren't the titans almighty gods for crying out loud!?

* So instead of just being pussies, they seed thousands of planets and don't bother helping when needed, even when their own work has backfired massively (world-clearing weapon in Uldum) they just ignore it?... that seems even worse!

* The Titans CAN'T destroy the Old Gods. Read the lore. The Old Gods symbiotically bonded with the planet and the races, so if they die by the Titans' hand, the planet dies as well. They're also fighting against everything that Sargeras did, and know full well he's eventually coming back. They're preparing for war, and one planet isn't going to change the fate of the universe. Also, the Re-Originator didn't backfire, it's working as intended. The Titans have much more to worry about than the petty squabbles on one insignificant planet. They need to stop the Legion.

'''== Thrall isn't coming back. =='''

Despite claims that Garrosh's position is temporary, Thrall will not be reclaiming the title any time soon. Why did Blizzard introduce Garrosh in the first place? Because they wanted conflict between the factions, and the Horde needed a more aggressive leader for that to happen. So as long as they want the Alliance and the Horde at war (which will probably be the for the rest of [[WoW]]), Garrosh is likely to stay Warchief. Near the end of Cataclysm, Thrall will either be killed off or suffer a fate similar to Bolvar Fordragon's (Metzen even hinted at Blizzcon 2010 that Thrall could act as a replacement for Neltharion), rendering him unable to return and leaving Garrosh as Warchief.

* {{spoiler|Thrall ISN'T coming back. He isn't dying either. He is the new Earth-Warder of Azeroth, taking Deathwing/Neltharion's place. Confirmed in next patch where Thrall the Earth-Warder grants the tanks blahblah special abilities. Dev's pet, indeed.}}

** {{spoiler|He's only temporarily holding the "Earthwarder" role. [[There Is Another|Wrathion]], remember?}}

 

== "Fel Corruption" is a popular Blizzard tool for a reason. ==

 

== Blood Elves and Draenei will be back in the spotlight in a future raid patch. ==

 

== The Val'kyr were sent to Sylvanas by Ner'zhul. ==

 

== The next Dragon Aspect of Earth will be... ==

Burning Crusade was the first major expansion for [[WoW]], and as such it lacked a lot of the refinement that later expansions would bring in. With Cataclysm, Blizzard has brought the Classic zones up to the new standard set by Wrath Of The Lich King. This leaves Outland as the odd one out among the regions, giving Blizzard good reason to go back and improve it. Because Outland is just a load of islands floating in the middle of nowhere, it wouldn't take much effort to add some new zones. Or we could use Ner'zhul's old portal network to visit new worlds; perhaps the homeworld of the Ethereals, or a fully fel-corrupted outpost of the legion. Plus, Blizzard could use this opportunity to fix some of the Egregious issues with the principal villains-

* Illidan: At the very least, he should have more screen time. In all my time questing in Outland, I think he appeared all of two times. Granted, Arthas recieved a lot of Villain Decay by appearing too much, but Illidan is a complex character, and his motives deserve more exploration. Another option would be to retcon his death and make him a friendly character. This would give Blizzard an excuse to implement the Demon Hunter hero class with Illidan as the faction leader. Lets face it, who wouldn't want to play as a blindfolded, dual-wielding demon slayer?

** As of Blizzcon 2011, [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|Illidan's return is "likely".]]

* Kael'thas: I'm not sure a retcon would work for Kael, because he's more tightly connected to the story than Illidan was (Tempest Keep, summoning KJ, etc), but it would be cool to bring him back as the Blood Elf faction leader, rather than that non-entity Lorthemar. Kael's descent into villainy wasn't really presented tragically enough, it would be good to see how he went from Well-Intentioned Extremist to Complete monster in more detail.

Okay, let's look at the facts here. Stormwind has a population size that is simply impossible if the state does not employ people breeding farms, magical aging or simply lies about its population. The government expected a guild of stonemasons to rebuild the largest city in the world for free, something which only a totalitarian state would expect. Anyone who commits a crime is put indefinitely into one of the two city prisons, with mundane prisoners being locked in the stockades. And, despite the fact that the stockades have been overrun by criminals for years now, the guard keeps putting in new prisoners as if nothing was happening. The various counties that are traditionally under protection from stormwind have received no extra troops for more than a dozen years, despite stormwind supposedly having troops to spare (another lie to make the government look good? Or do they need the soldiers to curtail thoughtcrime within the city?). SI:7, the stormwind guild of spies and assassins, is manned completely with former criminals, more than 3000 men suddenly having becoming utterly loyal to the alliance, a feat impossible without the use of manipulating minds. The nobles, which form the ruling party, are absolutely unassailable and the king never takes public action against them. Whenever a noble actually does something that is not acceptable to the ruling party, he doesn't get a trial, he just gets an assassin. In all honesty, the more you think about it, the more it makes sense. The guilds, the church, even crime in the city is regulated by the government.

 

Titans seed worlds right? Except these guys made the races of Azeroth and the Outland rather than Protoss and Zerg. This can also tie-in with the WMG above regarding player races as Titan Security Systems™. Stretch it a bit further and the Old Gods can be the {{spoiler|Dark Hybrids}} introduced in Starcraft II.

 

The humans have had their power restraints removed in the end of [[Diablo II]], in [[Diablo III]] we saw what this unrestrained power does to a godlike Superprime... with a few more decades of experience and refining, Sanctuary should be just about the proper place for a level 150 [[WoW]] player.

 

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