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** There's the widely practiced and highly enjoyable sport of gnome punting, popular in both factions, but most especially among the tauren. Blood elves are also frequently mocked as being too Alliance-y (or effeminate) for the Horde.
** Certain daily quest givers. {{spoiler|Two sets of them became raid bosses in Siege of Orgrimmar, though the latter set becoming the penultimate boss encounter was probably inevitable given their ties to Y'Shaarj.}} World quest givers, too, particularly the Tortollan Seekers and Magni Bronzebeard.
* [[Alas, Poor Villain]]: {{spoiler|Arthas. Despite being what he is, surprisingly, this one is played DEAD STRAIGHT by giving him a [[Tear Jerker]] farewell.}}
* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]].
* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]. Many for the faction leaders. One debate is whether General Hawthorne, who destroyed Camp Taurajo, was a war criminal responsible for civilian deaths or someone who tried to win while showing more mercy than his comrades.▼
** Illidan: Was he a hero who was willing to go to extreme lengths to save the world? Was he an Anti-Hero who did the right thing in the end? Was he a Well-Intentioned Extremist unaware of his own evil? Or was he a power-mad loner who did a couple of good deeds to justify it to himself? Notable in that the writing of the games has zig-zagged on the way it portrays both his current and past actions over time. Legion and its supplementary material, in particular, posit that all of these interpretations are valid to some extent, and various other characters lean in one direction or another over him (the split between Kayn and Altruis being the most obvious).
*** Another one has emerged Illidan for Illidan after he chose to chose to stay behind at the Seat of the Pantheon while the surviving Titans imprisoned Sargeras. Was Illidan staying to help ensure Sargeras' imprisonment? Did Illidan want the chance to fight Sargeras himself? Or did Illidan just want to torture Sargeras for everything he had done?
** Arthas: was he a genuinely good person wanting to do the best for his people but was warped by the power of Frostmourne, or was he a spoiled brat who set the stage for his own fall? This continues as a Death Knight, with speculation over the degree of awareness Arthas had for his actions and whether he should be held accountable or was he also as much as a victim as those he killed? Was Stratholme an act of callous cruelty or what had to be done in those circumstances?
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** Whether Kael'thas was a good man Driven to Villainy by unfair prejudice and a set of impossible circumstances in Warcraft III, or was he an incompetent commander who should have been able to overcome the odds stacked against him without accepting forbidden help? The RTS and various supplementary materials suggest the former, but The Burning Crusade stripped away most of the sympathy fans had for him and turned him into an unambiguous villain. It took until Shadowlands for this to be resolved, by showing him as an individual who did evil things with good intentions but is ultimately not irredeemable.
** Is Tyrande a good-natured and fair leader or a dangerous, zealous bigot? Is Thrall heroic and selfless or foolish and naive? And so on.
** Garrosh during his final battle with Thrall. Does he have a point, and did Thrall give him a responsibility that he wasn't ready for? Or is he simply making excuses and refusing to accept responsibility for his actions (throughout Mists of Pandaria, he'd mocked Thrall as being too soft to be an effective leader or a "true" orc)?
** After the "Rejection of the Gift" cinematic, a very big one happened with people becoming divided on whether or not the Light a force good in the Warcraft universe. While some consider it so citing a long list of past events, the cinematic led to a lot of negative sentiment towards the Light, some going as far as to consider it as bad as the Burning Legion or the Void Lords at the extreme. This is because it had the naaru Xe'ra attempt to Lightforge Illidan by force, especially since as the Prime Naaru, Xe'ra is the highest-ranking Light being who's appeared in-game unless Elune turns out to be a Light overdeity (which has scant proof to back it up). There also how the lightforged draenei can come across as the Knight Templar trope and the subsequent actions against the Mag'har on alt-Draenor (albeit with a level of [[Kick the Son of a Bitch]] and [[Cycle of Revenge]] on the Draenei's part). Ultimately, the interpretations range from considering the Light itself a force for good even if not all of its agents are, people who consider the Light the big good regardless of its worst extremes, those who consider the Light an amoral force that anyone is able to use for any reason under the right circumstances and those who consider it just as bad as the Void.
* [[Alt-Itis]]: Just about everybody who plays the game for long has multiple characters. Even if it isn't to experience life in the opposite faction, there are still six races per faction and ten classes, not to mention the advantages of having multiple professions available on one account. Some players ''never'' get a character to max level, instead rolling dozens of alts. And then Blizzard added the Recruit A Friend program, allowing players to level alts with their friends at triple the normal rate.
** In ''Wrath of the Lich King'', the addition of "heirloom" class items makes this even more highly encouraged, as they can be traded among characters on the same account, scale to character level and increase the rate at which experience is gained, making leveling up additional characters easier.
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** Varian Wrynn and Garrosh Hellscream are the two most prominent cases. The former is an angry post-Literal Split Personality who was a slave to Orcs for quite some time, had his home destroyed by the orcs and his father betrayed to death by one even earlier and shilled to a ridiculous degree for awhile by Blizzard. The latter is is a racist warmonger with lacking leadership skills taking over from the level-headed, peace-seeking Thrall despite being a self-hating Emo Teen barely a few years ago. The developers even admitted they put them in charge just to provide in-universe justification for continuing the Alliance-Horde conflict.
** Jaina Proudmoore. After Mists of Pandaria, some thought her Character Development made sense as she saw all the work she did to bring peace destroyed in moments, and because of the side she trusted as well. Others believe that it's [[Character Derailment]] was delivered in breakneck speed and shoved down the players' throats, in addition of really going against her characterization in WC3 (the woman who allowed her father to die in order to ensure peace, now she's considered to be an insult to that).
** Sylvanas was already a contentious character being seen as either a [[Jerkass Woobie]] [[Anti-Hero]] or a [[Karma Houdini]] [[Creator's Pet]]. This reached it's peak in Legion when she was delcared Warchief of the Horde. Some think she was the next best candidate, others think she is too evil/similar to past tyrannical Warchiefs to deserve it and think it should have been Baine or even Lor'themar. People from either side, and others, are mad that Warchief Vol'jin just seemed to warm the chair Sylvanas would sit on due to being [[Out of Focus]] in Warlords. Even after officially becoming a villain
** The Prime Naaru Xe'ra is more notable because she reached this status faster than even Garrosh or Varian did at the meta level. Some view her as a well-intentioned extremist ally with a deep past who was {{spoiler|killed by the selfish magic addict she was trying to save - Illidan (some fans have compared Xe'ra forcefully infusing Illidan with the Light to remove his fel magic to intervention and rehabilitation for a drug addict)}} and thought she and her story arc story wasted. Others see her as a manipulative [[Knight Templar]] who got what she deserved and brought it on herself.
* [[Be Careful What You Wish For]]: Every time a class bitches enough to get class buffs or reworks, you can bet your bottom they'll be complaining [[It's Popular, Now It Sucks|they're oversaturated with noobs who don't know how to play them.]]
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** ''Mists of Pandaria'' seems to be causing this too.
** Also, PVE vs. PVP. Players will pull up unoriginal insults akin to [[Fantastic Racism]] without the "race".
** '''The Culling of Sratholme'''. There is a great amount of debate among players whether this (the event that either [[Start of Darkness| started Arthas on his path to evil]] or [[Moral Event Horizon|cemented his place there]]) was necessary or whether Arthas truly could be blamed. Short version: Strathholm was the second-biggest and second most important city of the Alliance, and was thus a primary target of the Scourge. They shipped plague-infected grain to the city, a plague that would cause death in three days, then cause the infected to rise as undead, which would be easy to manipulate by the Lich King’s control. The soldiers under Arthas’ command - which included both Uther and Jaina - caught wind of the plan, destroyed many silos of grain that were intended for other towns (likely including Stormwind itself) but when they arrived at Stratholm, they were too late. Believing the disease to be irreversible, incurable, and highly contagious, Arthas ordered the town purged, and despite objections from both Uther and Jaina - who abandoned him rather than be accomplices to the act - killed every man, woman, and child in Stratholm, their pleas for mercy falling on deaf ears. Players debate to this day whether Arthas was justified here. Was finding a cure truly impossible? Was the disease truly as contagious as he believed? Had the plague actually spread to every resident? Maybe killing them ''after'' they had become zombies might have been a better choice. Did Arthas coldly view the civilians as expendable, or did he hate himself the whole time, sobbing as he killed them? (One of his underlings did indeed commit suicide out of guilt, now a restless spirit haunting the place, known only as The Unforgiven.) It is an argument that may never be resolved, and indeed, it seems the whole thing had been designed to give the players something to think about.
* [[Catharsis Factor]]:
** The Seige of Orgrimmar raid is this for the Alliance. Well, many Horde players likely had no love for Garrosh either, but this raid actually lets you storm and invade the Horde capital itself and lay waste to the citizenry. Any beginning Alliance player who has been shot down after flying too near the place sees it as revenge.
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** Players who felt bad after seeing [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HerNdsh_H-g this cutscene] and/or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE9HVy1vgws this one] will experience a ''lot'' of Catharsis once they complete the Raid that ends with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uby0nBPVhZc this one].
* [[Cliché Storm]]: the [[Large Ham]] bosses' favorite way of [[Calling Your Attacks]]. Originally done so you'd know how to prepare for an incoming attack but nowadays it's just tradition.
* [[Complete Monster]]: Though several Warcraft villains have been Anti-Villains, there
** Loken from Wrath of the Lich King murders his sister in law and frames his brother's friends for it, causing a needless war, warps his brothers dragon into a monstrosity, and tries to brainwash Thorim.
** Apparently, the curse that comes with wielding the blade Frostmourne ultimately turns a person into this. As shown by the below quote:
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* [[Growing the Beard]]: The game was infamous for its questing: while trying to avert completely depending on [[Level Grinding]], it pretty much invented [[Twenty Bear Asses]], leveling was filled with boring, irrelevant sidequests no one cares about. Now with Cataclysm update many locations were reshaped in such a way so each zone tells a story and most sidequests are directly tied into it. The game is becoming more and more convenient over the years too, with things such as Dungeon Finder that lets you forget about crying "LFG" for hours being drowned out by people selling things.
** You'd actually be very surprised how [[Waste of Time Story|little]] people pay attention to it.
* [[Hate Dumb]]: Many people trash the game because "It's a [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]] ripoff" or without having ever touched it. Naturally this leads to some sometimes funny comments like how much of a ripoff of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' it is. (If this game is a ripoff of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', then it's safe to say ''every'' form of fantasy is a ripoff!) There are many people who in fact act all [[New Media Are Evil]] and that the game will addict you if you touch it. This is of course ignoring that ''IT'S A GAME'' and not something that chemically addicts you, and how many people act like [[Double Standard|playing any other game for 14 hours a day or doing stuff like reading or watching TV is somehow more productive than playing this one.]]
** There have even been instances of [[Hate Dumb]] for this game on this very wiki in the Headscratchers section.
** The [[Foe Yay]]-type haters deserve a special mention here. If you believe what you read in the trade channels and at the forums, the vast majority of [[WoW]]'s players loathe the game with a passion... and yet they ''pay money'' to play it. [[Alternate Character Interpretation|Thus, Blizzard's probably INTENTIONALLY doing stuff like "Dumbing the game down" or "inventing races out of nowhere" to piss these guys off because they know they'll be constantly coming back and paying them the monthly fee]]
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* [[Jumping the Shark]]: There has been largely two immediate reactions for the Mists of Pandaria expansion announcement regarding the setting and gameplay changes.
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Kil'Jaeden, they don't call him [[Meaningful Name|''The Deceiver'']] for nothing.
* [[Member Berries]]: The game's fifth expansion pack, ''Warlords of Draenor'', involved traveling back in time to before the first game. Players who were familiar with the lore of the first game were excited to meet characters like Orgrim Doomhammer, Kilgore Swordfist, and OrcRage McHugeSmash (or whatever the fuck their names were), while everyone else was just bored and confused. Also, it took place on the same continent as the game's first expansion (except earlier in time. Or in an alternate timeline. Or something).
* [[Memetic Badass]]:
** Saurfang is practically the Warcraft universe's [[Chuck Norris]], having several [http://www.wowpedia.org/Saurfang_facts Saurfang Facts] to his name.
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** Aggra seems to be getting this lately, fans are flaunting that her introduction in supplimental materials and her relationship with Thrall {{spoiler|which ends in the two becoming married}} seemed far too rushed and poorly fleshed out.
*** Well...that, and "[[Tsundere]]" is pretty much her ''only'' personality trait. [[Shallow Love Interest|At all]].
** For the people who read the [[Expanded Universe]], Med'an is this, as he is amongst the most triumphant examples of the [[Canon Sue]]. He is a son of two popular characters (Garona and Medivh), making him a unique hybridization of races. He has been chosen as the new guardian of Tirisfal. But he is not just any guardian of Tirisfal, but a more powerful version, getting not just mage powers, but also paladin, shaman and druid powers. Despite the fact that in the comics, he was empowered to become one of the most powerful beings on the planet, he
** Some players dislike Thrall simply he seems so infallible, almost to the point of being a [[Mary Sue]]. The [[Fan Nickname]] "Green Jesus" is often used sarcastically.
** Yrel, from ''Warlords'' is an NPC that starts out as a slave rescued from the Iron Horde who quickly becomes one of the players' most valued allies. Heroes who go [[From Nobody to Nightmare]] are common, but Yrel seems to do so a little too quickly for [[Willing Suspension of Disbelief]] to handle, and players find her annoying.
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