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* The eponymous character of ''[[Suzumiya Haruhi]]'' hopes to meet aliens, time-travelers and espers, experience super-natural mysteries and expose [[Ancient Conspiracy|ancient conspiracies]]. Since she is a [[Reality Warper]], it actually ''does'' happen all around her, but [[Locked Out of the Loop|she doesn't notice]]. One could put it so that she ''makes'' herself an accurate [[Genre Savvy]].
* The eponymous character of ''[[Suzumiya Haruhi]]'' hopes to meet aliens, time-travelers and espers, experience super-natural mysteries and expose [[Ancient Conspiracy|ancient conspiracies]]. Since she is a [[Reality Warper]], it actually ''does'' happen all around her, but [[Locked Out of the Loop|she doesn't notice]]. One could put it so that she ''makes'' herself an accurate [[Genre Savvy]].
** Example: She expects a [[Absurdly Powerful Student Council|student president]] who runs the school and all the clubs like a dictator. {{spoiler|There isn't one, so Itsuki hires some guy to play the part of a jerkass president. He's a jerkass in a different way entirely, though.}} Of course, since this is Haruhi {{spoiler|he starts having trouble differentiating himself from the role he is playing, and will possibly end up exactly as Haruhi thinks he is.}} Wrong Genre Savvy -> [[Genre Savvy]]!
** Example: She expects a [[Absurdly Powerful Student Council|student president]] who runs the school and all the clubs like a dictator. {{spoiler|There isn't one, so Itsuki hires some guy to play the part of a jerkass president. He's a jerkass in a different way entirely, though.}} Of course, since this is Haruhi {{spoiler|he starts having trouble differentiating himself from the role he is playing, and will possibly end up exactly as Haruhi thinks he is.}} Wrong Genre Savvy -> [[Genre Savvy]]!
** She does wind up Wrong Genre Savvy in the positions she thinks the other members of the Brigade have. She views Itsuki as [[The Lancer]], Kyon as [[The Big Guy]], Yuki as [[The Smart Guy]], and Mikuru as [[The Chick]]. In reality, Kyon is [[The Hero]], Itsuki is [[The Lancer]], Yuki takes the position of both [[The Smart Guy]] and [[The Big Guy]], and Mikuru.... is still [[The Chick]].
** She does wind up Wrong Genre Savvy in the positions she thinks the other members of the Brigade have. She views Itsuki as [[The Lancer]], Kyon as [[The Big Guy]], Yuki as [[The Smart Guy]], and Mikuru as [[The Chick]]. She is only right with Mikuru; in reality, Kyon is [[The Hero]], Itsuki is [[The Lancer]], and Yuki takes the position of both [[The Smart Guy]] and [[The Big Guy]].
* Gai Daigouji {{spoiler|and the Jovians}} in ''[[Martian Successor Nadesico]]'' spent too much time watching ultra-idealistic [[Super Robot]] anime in the vein of the original ''[[Getter Robo]]'', and failed to realize they were in a much more conspiracy-filled, morally grey, and lethal [[Real Robot]] series.
* Gai Daigouji {{spoiler|and the Jovians}} in ''[[Martian Successor Nadesico]]'' spent too much time watching ultra-idealistic [[Super Robot]] anime in the vein of the original ''[[Getter Robo]]'', and failed to realize they were in a much more conspiracy-filled, morally grey, and lethal [[Real Robot]] series.
** In the ''[[Super Robot Wars]]'' games, he sometimes gets to actually be genre savvy—for example, in the Super Robot Wars W stage where <s>[[Voltron]]</s> Golion is introduced, the cast is shocked when the lions combine... except for Gai, whose reaction is something along the lines of "Yeah, OF ''course'' they were gonna do that."
** In the ''[[Super Robot Wars]]'' games, he sometimes gets to actually be genre savvy—for example, in the Super Robot Wars W stage where <s>[[Voltron]]</s> Golion is introduced, the cast is shocked when the lions combine... except for Gai, whose reaction is something along the lines of "Yeah, OF ''course'' they were gonna do that."
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{{quote|'''Matt''': You got me, I'm part of this whole kidnapping incident. That means you'll have a lot of questions to ask. You won't shoot--
{{quote|'''Matt''': You got me, I'm part of this whole kidnapping incident. That means you'll have a lot of questions to ask. You won't shoot--
(The bodyguards of kidnapped start firing) }}
(The bodyguards of kidnapped start firing) }}
* [[Ranma ½|Tatewaki Kuno]] sees himself as an almighty [[Samurai]], loved by all and God's gift to women. In reality, he's nothing but a major pain in the ass.
* [[Ranma ½|Tatewaki Kuno]] sees himself as an almighty [[Samurai]], loved by all, God's gift to women, and that Ranma is his rival . In reality, his role in the plot is of a [[Starter Villain]] at most (and quickly degraded into [[Butt Monkey]]), and to the other characters he's nothing but a major pain in the ass [[Born in the Wrong Century|with delusions of living in a very different era]] that the modern times the series is set in.
* Kumojacky of ''[[Heartcatch Pretty Cure]]'' is an outrageously [[Large Ham|hammy]] and [[Hot-Blooded]] character who believes in the power of his own inner strength and loudly declares that any problem can be solved through the sheer grit and determination of your own burning spirit. He also thinks that the only kind of friendship worth having is the kind forged through mutual respect of the other person's strength. In short, he's the kind of guy who would fit in perfectly with any group of Shonen action heroes <s>or [[Lucky Star|anime bookshop owners]]</s>... But he's stuck in a [[Magical Girl]] show that more or less runs on the [[Power of Friendship]]/[[Power of Love]], and thus his clashing ideals default him directly to a villain role.
* Kumojacky of ''[[Heartcatch Pretty Cure]]'' is an outrageously [[Large Ham|hammy]] and [[Hot-Blooded]] character who believes in the power of his own inner strength and loudly declares that any problem can be solved through the sheer grit and determination of your own burning spirit. He also thinks that the only kind of friendship worth having is the kind forged through mutual respect of the other person's strength. In short, he's the kind of guy who would fit in perfectly with any group of Shonen action heroes <s>or [[Lucky Star|anime bookshop owners]]</s>... But he's stuck in a [[Magical Girl]] show that more or less runs on the [[Power of Friendship]]/[[Power of Love]], and thus his clashing ideals default him directly to a villain role.
* In ''[[Naruto]]'', the title character is told multiple times by several different people that he is the kind of person who could never be the main character in a story.
* In ''[[Naruto]]'', the title character is told multiple times by several different people that he is the kind of person who could never be the main character in a story.
** Danzo believes that he is the one destined to bring peace to the world. His belief in this is so strong that he begins to take measures to sabotage Naruto and his allies under the idea that they'll just make things worse. Too bad the story is named ''Naruto''.
** Danzo believes that he is the one destined to bring peace to the world. His belief in this is so strong that he begins to take measures to sabotage Naruto and his allies under the idea that they'll just make things worse. Danzo is an [[Anti-Hero]] from a generation that ran off of [[Black and Gray Morality]] in a show focusing on a younger generation that runs off of [[White and Gray Morality]]. He's also a [[Dirty Coward]], willing to let the rest of the village do the dying while he and his supporters hide underground, and then use the aftermath to seize power. He's unable to accept that the world around him has taken a major shift on the [[Sliding Scale of Cynicism Versus Idealism]], and so he cannot believe that a self-sacrificing person (like Naruto) can not only become a ninja but also derail his plans and give a better outcome.
*** Danzo is an [[Anti-Hero]] from a generation that ran off of [[Black and Gray Morality]] in a show focusing on a younger generation that runs off of [[White and Gray Morality]]. He's unable to accept that the world around him has taken a major shift on the [[Sliding Scale of Cynicism Versus Idealism]].
*** He's also a [[Dirty Coward]], willing to let the rest of the village do the dying while he and his supporters hide underground, and then use the aftermath to seize power.
* Rossiu in ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' thinks he lives in a much more [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism|cynical]] world than he actually does. Sorry, but this isn't ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' or ''[[Bokurano]]'': here we solve all our problems with <s>[[Hot-Blooded|Hot Blood]]</s> [[Crazy Awesome|Spiral Energy]].
* Rossiu in ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' thinks he lives in a much more [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism|cynical]] world than he actually does. Sorry, but this isn't ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' or ''[[Bokurano]]'': here we solve all our problems with <s>[[Hot-Blooded|Hot Blood]]</s> [[Crazy Awesome|Spiral Energy]].
* In ''[[Sayonara, Zetsubou-sensei]]'', the character Mayo Mitama is an "evil looking girl" who likes to commit acts of ultra-violence. However, even when she does these things in front of/to people, they refuse to suspect her due to Wrong Genre Savvy. Going by the logic of detective stories and most anime using [[Face of a Thug]], she can't be evil because "no one who looks so obviously evil could actually be evil" (because it wouldn't make for an interesting story). The problem is, Mayo's name means [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|"exactly as she looks"]], and she's really is an example of [[Obviously Evil]].
* In ''[[Sayonara, Zetsubou-sensei]]'', the character Mayo Mitama is an "evil looking girl" who likes to commit acts of ultra-violence. However, even when she does these things in front of/to people, they refuse to suspect her due to Wrong Genre Savvy. Going by the logic of detective stories and most anime using [[Face of a Thug]], she can't be evil because "no one who looks so obviously evil could actually be evil" (because it wouldn't make for an interesting story). The problem is, Mayo's name means [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|"exactly as she looks"]], and she's really is an example of [[Obviously Evil]].
* In ''[[Nana to Kaoru]]'', the student council president complains that the main character's "got a secondary character's face!" The poor guy doesn't realize he's in an [[Ecchi]], [[Ugly Guy, Hot Wife]] comedy. He's also absolutely dumbfounded at Kaoru's sad, depressed resignation about Nana being way outside of his league, expecting some form of argument or fight.
* In ''[[Nana to Kaoru]]'', the student council president complains that the main character's "got a secondary character's face!" The poor guy doesn't realize he's in an [[Ecchi]], [[Ugly Guy, Hot Wife]] comedy. He's also absolutely dumbfounded at Kaoru's sad, depressed resignation about Nana being way outside of his league, expecting some form of argument or fight.
* Shinzen from ''[[Speed Grapher]]'' is a very [[Genre Savvy]] villainess who is perfectly aware that {{spoiler|her handsome and ruthless Dragon, Suitengu, views her as a [[Meal Ticket]].}} So she tries to use her knowledge to try keeping him under control and outgambit him. Where does she go WGS? {{spoiler|In that she accepted to marry him... not seeing that he'd try to kill her as soon as he could. Which he did.}}
* Shinzen from ''[[Speed Grapher]]'' is a very [[Genre Savvy]] villainess who is perfectly aware that {{spoiler|her handsome and ruthless Dragon, Suitengu, views her as a [[Meal Ticket]].}} So she tries to use her knowledge to try keeping him under control and outgambit him. Where does she go WGS? {{spoiler|In that she accepted to marry him... not seeing that he'd try to kill her as soon as he could. Which he did.}}
* Taikoubou of ''[[Houshin Engi]]'' zig zags between this and [[Dangerously Genre Savvy]]. At the beginning of the story he tries to skip the traditional [[Sorting Algorithm of Evil]] and goes straight for the [[Big Bag]]. Too bad Dakki is an even more [[Magnificent Bastard]] [[Chessmaster]] than he is and the plot fails horrifically. Later, Taikoubou tries to invoke [[Defeat Means Friendship]] on Nataku, who is out and out trying to kill him (Nataku does eventually join Team Taikoubou, but not for this reason). However, just as many of Taikoubou's insane plans succeed because he seems to be aware of what kind of series he's in.
* Taikoubou of ''[[Houshin Engi]]'' zig zags between this and [[Dangerously Genre Savvy]]. At the beginning of the story he tries to skip the traditional [[Sorting Algorithm of Evil]] and goes straight for the [[Big Bad]]. Too bad Dakki is an even more [[Magnificent Bastard]] [[Chessmaster]] than he is and the plot fails horrifically. Later, Taikoubou tries to invoke [[Defeat Means Friendship]] on Nataku, who is out and out trying to kill him (Nataku does eventually join Team Taikoubou, but not for this reason). However, just as many of Taikoubou's insane plans succeed because he seems to be aware of what kind of series he's in.
* [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica|Sayaka Miki]] thinks she's in a conventional [[Magical Girl Warrior]] show, where [[The Power of Love]] will make her a victorious "ally of justice". {{spoiler|[[Break the Cutie|My]] [[Kill'Em All|God]], [[And Then John Was a Zombie|was she]] [[Awful Truth|WRONG]]. Once you get down to it, it's a [[Cosmic Horror Story]] with a side order of [[Psychological Horror]].}}
* [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica|Sayaka Miki]] thinks she's in a conventional [[Magical Girl Warrior]] show, where [[The Power of Love]] will make her a victorious "ally of justice". {{spoiler|[[Break the Cutie|My]] [[Kill'Em All|God]], [[And Then John Was a Zombie|was she]] [[Awful Truth|WRONG]]. Once you get down to it, it's a [[Cosmic Horror Story]] with a side order of [[Psychological Horror]].}}
** Resulted in her {{spoiler|[[Start of Darkness]] and transformation into a witch}}. And then Kyouko teamed up with Sayaka's best friend, the titular Madoka in an attempt to {{spoiler|[["I Know You're in There Somewhere" Fight|talk her back into humanity]]}}. [[Heroic Sacrifice|It]] [[Mercy Kill|failed]].
** Resulted in her {{spoiler|[[Start of Darkness]] and transformation into a witch}}. And then Kyouko teamed up with Sayaka's best friend, the titular Madoka in an attempt to {{spoiler|[["I Know You're in There Somewhere" Fight|talk her back into humanity]]}}. [[Heroic Sacrifice|It]] [[Mercy Kill|failed]].
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** His wrong genre savvyness is the reason he got roped in the plot in the first place. He identifies himself as the [[Otaku]] character, and consequently believes that his geekery is enough to keep him away from women and any non-gaming interesting event. So, when the mail inviting him to "capture ladies" appears, he accepts because he legitimately thinks is an invitation for a closed beta for a new galge, as the idea of ''anyone'' believing he has any actual capacity with real, actual girls, is completely unthinkable from him.
** His wrong genre savvyness is the reason he got roped in the plot in the first place. He identifies himself as the [[Otaku]] character, and consequently believes that his geekery is enough to keep him away from women and any non-gaming interesting event. So, when the mail inviting him to "capture ladies" appears, he accepts because he legitimately thinks is an invitation for a closed beta for a new galge, as the idea of ''anyone'' believing he has any actual capacity with real, actual girls, is completely unthinkable from him.
* Eren in ''[[Shingeki no Kyojin]]'' begins the series acting like the [[Hot Blooded|hotblooded]] protagonist of a typical [[shonen]] series, where [[Badass|badassery]], hard work and awesomeness can save the day. He is in a shonen series, yes, and he is the protagonist of the story, yes, but the series he is in is [[Darker and Edgier|Darker and]] [[Bloodier and Gorier|Bloodier]] than the average shonen. Therefore, his natural hot temper runs contrary to what it's needed to solve the conspiracies, the monsters and the [[Ontological Mystery]] the plot runs on, as he soon learns. Gorily.
* Eren in ''[[Shingeki no Kyojin]]'' begins the series acting like the [[Hot Blooded|hotblooded]] protagonist of a typical [[shonen]] series, where [[Badass|badassery]], hard work and awesomeness can save the day. He is in a shonen series, yes, and he is the protagonist of the story, yes, but the series he is in is [[Darker and Edgier|Darker and]] [[Bloodier and Gorier|Bloodier]] than the average shonen. Therefore, his natural hot temper runs contrary to what it's needed to solve the conspiracies, the monsters and the [[Ontological Mystery]] the plot runs on, as he soon learns. Gorily.
* Shiratori, the popular guy from ''[[Yandere Kanojo]]'' believes himself he is [[The Ace]] against Manabu, whom he sees as a mix of [[Worthy Opponent]] and [[The Rival]]. In truth, he is Manabu's [[Unknown Riva]]l and the [[Butt Monkey]] of the series, whose in-universe popularity is due more to his [[Adorkable]] traits than anything else.
* Shiratori, the popular guy from ''[[Yandere Kanojo]]'' believes himself he is [[The Ace]] against Manabu, whom he sees as a mix of [[Worthy Opponent]] and [[The Rival]]. In truth, he is Manabu's [[Unknown Rival]] and the [[Butt Monkey]] of the series, whose in-universe popularity is due more to his [[Adorkable]] traits than any actual coolness on his side.


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