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* [[Faux Symbolism]]:
** In a game that arguably handles many of its symbolical and mythological themes quite well at times, a lot of the towns are [[Naming Conventions|named after months in the Jewish calendar]] for no adequately explained reason.
** Most jarringly, if ironically easy to miss, the Ethos is structured like and has symbols similar to those of Christianity, especially the Catholic Church, with confessionals, cross-like shapes, and bishops. In its ''theology
** Also, the scene where a giant, fluffy, pink mouse is ''[[Crucified Hero Shot|crucified]]''. No, seriously.
* [[Fetish Retardant]]:
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** Krelian, no doubt.
** Grahf, truly a [[Magnificent Bastard]]. He wasn't as manipulative as Krelian and so, unlike Krelian, he wasn't [[The Chessmaster|in complete control of everything that happens to the very end]] but his [[Badass|kick ass moments]] makes up for that.
** Miang, possibly. While she did do the on-the-ground work while Krelian was plotting from on high,
* [[Memetic Badass]]: Grahf, who could solo the Xeno multiverse. ''On foot armed only with a sash''.
* [[Memetic Molester]]: While Miang's experiments as Karen are stated in the story to be for the purpose of finding the Contact, one can't help but wonder whether some of the probing she did to Fei as a child was ''really'' necessary...
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* [[Mundane Made Awesome]]: Most of the protagonist's Gears attack by punching and kicking their enemies. In [[Real Life]] (besides the impracticality of [[Humongous Mecha]] in the first place), imagine a semi truck slamming into you. Now imagine that truck as a thin iron bar coming after you and going to IMPALE you. Compare that to a Gear's fist and big toe, respectively.
* [[Nausea Fuel]]: The ''entire'' food processing plant.
* [[Non Sequitur Scene]]: Several, but the most notable comes in Shevat.
* [[The Scrappy]]:
** Dan
** Chu-Chu.
** Hammer is a more controversial case. Is he endearing or annoying? Are his [[Totally Radical|MAD SKILLZ]] [[Narm]] or [[Narm Charm]]? Is he a [[Byronic Hero]] or a [[Complete Monster]]? Is he a cold-blooded murderer or was he not responsible for his actions? Hammer is intentionally written as sympathetic character who is [[Character Shilling|loved and morally exonerated]] in the eyes of Elly and Rico. ''Audience'' reaction to Hammer, however, varies wildly; the audience may love him throughout, or start hating him after his betrayal (and then, may or may not forgive him after his demise), or they may have [[The Scrappy|hated him from the get go]].
** Krelian himself has to be the most hotly debated character even to this day. The man was personally responsible for countless numbers of people suffering and dying and was directly responsible to most, if not all the events of the game. Many people will often call BS on how Fei and Elly so easily forgive him in the end.
* [[Scrappy Level]]: The Tower of Babel—this one takes some explanation.. are you sitting comfortably? Good, let's begin:▼
** The Tower of Babel is entirely made up of long jumping puzzle segments, and is entirely vertical: if you fall, you end up falling all the way to the bottom. The platforming controls, on a good day, are abysmal and unresponsive. Strike one.▼
** When a random battle is triggered in Xenogears, things happen in sort of a strange order: Instead of going to a loading screen, or hiding loading using the battle transition, the game begins loading (you can hear the Playstation spinning up) but it's a few seconds before the battle actually starts. During this time you can move around as normal on the world screen. During this "loading time", although you ''can'' move around, you ''can't jump'', so you end up ''walking off the ends of platforms.'' The Tower of Babel has a pretty high monster encounter rate and ''lots'' of ends of platforms. Strike two.▼
** The camera only has a few angles you can look at it from. Not every platform in the Tower of Babil is aligned with these camera angles, making it extremely difficult to line up the jumps you ''can'' make. Strike three, and you're Scrappy. ▼
** As a final insult, you spend the entire level in your Gears, which have the ability to fly. After finishing the jumping portion of the dungeon, you see a short cutscene which is introduced by the Gears flying a few hundred feet to get to the final area of the tower.▼
*** The Rope of Robots thumbnail theatre is really not exaggerating the reactions people have to this damn level.[http://whatdoesgodneedwithastarship.com/xenodurr24.html Some of these quotes] (scroll down, you'll know it when you see it) were uttered by this troper and their friends over the course of the hideously long climb. It's really that bad. [http://whatdoesgodneedwithastarship.com/xenodurr25.html (ASS ASS ASS AAAAAAAAAASS)]▼
** The Tower of Babel doesn't even ''approach'' the [[Absurdly Spacious Sewer]] beneath Kislev, though. The hunt for Redrum is one of the longest, most annoying parts of the game. And he's [[That One Boss]].▼
* [[Stoic Woobie]]: Rico, though he became more of a conventional [[Woobie]] when losing Hammer [[Not So Stoic|undid his stoic façade]]. Rico was still tough, but never quite as stoic after that.
* [[Suspiciously Similar Song]]: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Iud4RZaUw "Omen"] is one of these to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2dhNW0-sc "Lower Brinstar"] from ''[[Super Metroid]]''.
* [[Tear Jerker]]: Many scenes qualify.
** There's the one where {{spoiler|Fei flashes back to all the times Elly sacrificed herself for him in their previous lives}}.
** Another moment is when {{spoiler|Fei and Elly crash in the woods and Fei does not think Elly will survive her injuries}}.
* [[Technical Pacifist]]: Citan refuses to use his sword... until he takes it up again.
** More a [[Reluctant Warrior]], really. He points out to Fei that he swore never to use his sword but that times have grown so desperate that having the moral high ground doesn't mean much anymore.
* [[That One Boss]]: ''Redrum!'' Instant kills (that heal him!), area wide damage (that also heals him!), a ton of negative status ailments, and the highest HP of any boss fought up to this point ''by far''.
** Miang and Opiomorph if you don't know what you're doing.
** Id in Zeboim certainly qualifies. He attacks multiple times in one turn and is so strong he can kill most party members in one or two attacks. He also likes to ''dodge your Deathblows.''
▲* [[
* [[The Untwist]]: Elly's a reincarnation of Sophia. [[Sarcasm Mode|Totally didn't see that one coming]]▼
▲** The Tower of Babel is entirely made up of long jumping puzzle segments, and is entirely vertical: if you fall, you end up falling all the way to the bottom. The platforming controls, on a good day, are abysmal and unresponsive. Strike one.
▲** When a random battle is triggered in ''Xenogears'', things happen in sort of a strange order:
▲** The camera only has a few angles you can look at it from. Not every platform in the Tower of Babil is aligned with these camera angles, making it extremely difficult to line up the jumps you ''can'' make. Strike three, and you're Scrappy.
▲** As a final insult, you spend the entire level in your Gears, which have the ability to fly. After finishing the jumping portion of the dungeon, you see a short cutscene which is introduced by the Gears flying a few hundred feet to get to the final area of the tower.
▲*** The Rope of Robots thumbnail theatre is really not exaggerating the reactions people have to this damn level.[http://whatdoesgodneedwithastarship.com/xenodurr24.html Some of these quotes] (scroll down, you'll know it when you see it) were uttered by this troper and their friends over the course of the hideously long climb. It's really that bad. [http://whatdoesgodneedwithastarship.com/xenodurr25.html (ASS ASS ASS AAAAAAAAAASS)]
▲** The Tower of Babel doesn't even ''approach'' the [[Absurdly Spacious Sewer]] beneath Kislev, though. The hunt for Redrum is one of the longest, most annoying parts of the game. And he's [[That One Boss]].
* [[Unintentionally Unsympathetic]]: Krelian was clearly supposed to be seen in a sympathetic light at the end, and both Fei and Elly are shown to forgive him for his sins, going so far as to beseech him to return so he can atone. However, the fact that he had turned traitor to join Solaris, ruled the world from the shadows for 500 years, conducted all manner of gruesome experiments on people during that time, was willing to commit genocide on the entire human race, wiped out 90% of the population, ''and'' frequently mocked those he wronged, all because he lost the woman he loved, does not afford him much love from many fans.
▲* [[The Untwist]]: Elly's a reincarnation of Sophia. [[Sarcasm Mode|Totally didn't see that one coming]]. Why she's a reincarnation of Sophia can throw people for a loop though.
* [[Wangst]]: More than you can imagine.
* [[The Woobie]]: Billy, Maria, Hammer.▼
▲* [[The Woobie]]: Billy, Maria, Hammer
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