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* The ''[[MASH|M*A*S*H]]'' episodes "For Want of a Boot" and "The Price of Tomato Juice" both involve variations of this.
* The ''[[MASH|M*A*S*H]]'' episodes "For Want of a Boot" and "The Price of Tomato Juice" both involve variations of this.
** By contrast, the episode "The Long John Flap" features a ''series'' of separate exchanges involving a pair of Long Johns, but there's no chain to be unwound.
** By contrast, the episode "The Long John Flap" features a ''series'' of separate exchanges involving a pair of Long Johns, but there's no chain to be unwound.
* In ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|Star Trek Deep Space Nine]]'', this is the B-plots of the second-season episode "Progress," notable for containing the first mention of [[Running Gag|self-sealing stem bolts]], and the fifth-season episode "In The Cards". In the seventh-season episode "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River", we learn that such chains are a tenet of Ferengi philosophy - the "[http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Great_Material_Continuum Great Material Continuum]".
* In ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'', this is the B-plots of the second-season episode "Progress," notable for containing the first mention of [[Running Gag|self-sealing stem bolts]], and the fifth-season episode "In The Cards". In the seventh-season episode "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River", we learn that such chains are a tenet of Ferengi philosophy - the "[http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Great_Material_Continuum Great Material Continuum]".
{{quote|'''Nog''': ''There are millions upon millions of worlds in the universe, each one filled with too much of one thing, and not enough of another. And the Great Continuum flows through them all like a mighty river, from "have" to "want" and back again! And if we navigate the Continuum with skill and grace, our ship will be filled with everything our hearts desire!''}}
{{quote|'''Nog''': ''There are millions upon millions of worlds in the universe, each one filled with too much of one thing, and not enough of another. And the Great Continuum flows through them all like a mighty river, from "have" to "want" and back again! And if we navigate the Continuum with skill and grace, our ship will be filled with everything our hearts desire!''}}
** Okay... The Ferengi have always insisted they are the best businessmen in the galaxy - this proves it. Nog, [[You Fail Economics Forever|You Win Economics Forever!]]
** Okay... The Ferengi have always insisted they are the best businessmen in the galaxy - this proves it. Nog, [[You Fail Economics Forever|You Win Economics Forever!]]
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** You can screw the chain up in 6 by dumping one of the in-between chips (DublShot C) in the trader; it's almost impossible to get another one in C code. This sounds like a hard mistake to make—who puts their last one of something in the trader? -- but the BN6 boards at GameFAQs get more threads asking about this than anything else.
** You can screw the chain up in 6 by dumping one of the in-between chips (DublShot C) in the trader; it's almost impossible to get another one in C code. This sounds like a hard mistake to make—who puts their last one of something in the trader? -- but the BN6 boards at GameFAQs get more threads asking about this than anything else.
* ''[[Ogre Battle]]'' has at least one of these in the series. The original SNES game, Episode IV, [[Queen|March of the Black Queen]] had several. The first you see is the powerful Ring of Undead, held by a wizard early in the game who would trade it for a Lexicon of Undead. And then there is the Diaspola chain. You start with some pirates with a copy of The Saga who are looking for a Map, which is in town with a man who is looking for Amatsu that can be found in the trade shop of neighboring town who only buys Furs which an underhanded sneak has and will part ways with if you give him all you money or return his stolen goblet held by bandits who want to hear a Foul Tome you received from a previous stage. Each of these items is worth progressively more than the previous.
* ''[[Ogre Battle]]'' has at least one of these in the series. The original SNES game, Episode IV, [[Queen|March of the Black Queen]] had several. The first you see is the powerful Ring of Undead, held by a wizard early in the game who would trade it for a Lexicon of Undead. And then there is the Diaspola chain. You start with some pirates with a copy of The Saga who are looking for a Map, which is in town with a man who is looking for Amatsu that can be found in the trade shop of neighboring town who only buys Furs which an underhanded sneak has and will part ways with if you give him all you money or return his stolen goblet held by bandits who want to hear a Foul Tome you received from a previous stage. Each of these items is worth progressively more than the previous.
* The desert monkey cave in ''[[Earthbound]]'' is basically a Puzzle Chain of Deals. With some lampshading thrown in ("amongst all these doors..."). Thankfully it's [[Rule of Funny|funny]]. Some players still consider it the most frustrating part of the game, mostly because ''every room looks like every other room'' and one item turns into something else (thus rendering it useless) after too much time passes. Fortunately, the player's guide (which was originally packaged with the game) eliminated most of the frustration by providing maps.
* The desert monkey cave in ''[[EarthBound]]'' is basically a Puzzle Chain of Deals. With some lampshading thrown in ("amongst all these doors..."). Thankfully it's [[Rule of Funny|funny]]. Some players still consider it the most frustrating part of the game, mostly because ''every room looks like every other room'' and one item turns into something else (thus rendering it useless) after too much time passes. Fortunately, the player's guide (which was originally packaged with the game) eliminated most of the frustration by providing maps.
* ''Secret of Evermore'''s greek market blatantly uses this, though it's entirely optional. It's even pretty complex, with multiple traders giving the same item for different exchanges, but the rewards you can get through it are items that permanently boost your abilities, so it's worth your time and resources.
* ''Secret of Evermore'''s greek market blatantly uses this, though it's entirely optional. It's even pretty complex, with multiple traders giving the same item for different exchanges, but the rewards you can get through it are items that permanently boost your abilities, so it's worth your time and resources.
* ''[[Romancing SaGa]]'' involved a large trade quest kicked off when Strom (Water Elemental Lord) demands the "Raincloud Armlet" in exchange for a captive princess. It's in the possession of Adyllis (Earth Elemental Lord), who will only give it up if you give him the Cyclone Shoes, which you can only get by trading the Ignigarde Helmet to Avi (Wind Elemental Lord) by acquiring the Ice Sword for Pyrix (Fire Elemental Lord) in which you must plunk down 20,000 gold or by killing a recruitable character. At any point in the chain, you can decide to brute-force the whole thing and just beat the crap out of the dragon, though and you get an awesome shield as a [[Randomly Drops|Item Drop]]. However that does have some repercussions, by killing Strom you cannot get the optimal amount of jewels for doing the quest normally, are unable to do his Ecology Quest and also getting the chance to fight his Corrupted Form; Slask ([[Randomly Drops|Item Drop]] is the Chaosbringer; A powerful 2 Handed Axe that gives an Intellect boost). {{spoiler|This also bars you from exploring his temple later, meaning that you can't get the items inside -- including the Water Spirit, which is required for ''another'' quest with ''fantastic'' rewards.}} Also there is a trading ability for you to use in which you can trade items with monsters; so a mini Chain of Deals is possible; [[Sidetracked by the Gold Saucer]] indeed...
* ''[[Romancing SaGa]]'' involved a large trade quest kicked off when Strom (Water Elemental Lord) demands the "Raincloud Armlet" in exchange for a captive princess. It's in the possession of Adyllis (Earth Elemental Lord), who will only give it up if you give him the Cyclone Shoes, which you can only get by trading the Ignigarde Helmet to Avi (Wind Elemental Lord) by acquiring the Ice Sword for Pyrix (Fire Elemental Lord) in which you must plunk down 20,000 gold or by killing a recruitable character. At any point in the chain, you can decide to brute-force the whole thing and just beat the crap out of the dragon, though and you get an awesome shield as a [[Randomly Drops|Item Drop]]. However that does have some repercussions, by killing Strom you cannot get the optimal amount of jewels for doing the quest normally, are unable to do his Ecology Quest and also getting the chance to fight his Corrupted Form; Slask ([[Randomly Drops|Item Drop]] is the Chaosbringer; A powerful 2 Handed Axe that gives an Intellect boost). {{spoiler|This also bars you from exploring his temple later, meaning that you can't get the items inside -- including the Water Spirit, which is required for ''another'' quest with ''fantastic'' rewards.}} Also there is a trading ability for you to use in which you can trade items with monsters; so a mini Chain of Deals is possible; [[Sidetracked by the Gold Saucer]] indeed...
** Actually if you trade with monsters enough, they become "Crowned" which means they are stronger but give better [[Randomly Drops|Item Drops]]. Also trading with monsters can net in quite a bit of jewels or cash if you trade correctly.
** Actually if you trade with monsters enough, they become "Crowned" which means they are stronger but give better [[Randomly Drops|Item Drops]]. Also trading with monsters can net in quite a bit of jewels or cash if you trade correctly.
* This is how you get the [[Infinity+1 Sword]] in ''[[Alundra 2: A New Legend Begins|Alundra 2]]''.
* This is how you get the [[Infinity+1 Sword]] in ''[[Alundra 2: A New Legend Begins|Alundra 2]]''.
* The MMORPG ''[[Runescape]]'' has an infuriating quest of this type called ''[[Blatant Lies|One Small Favour]]''. By the time your character is halfway through building the very long chain of trades, he/she starts [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshading]] the ridiculousness of the whole thing. In the end, the original quest-giver doesn't seem to think getting him the original favor was such a big deal as to warrant a ''reward'' until your character goes off on him.
* The MMORPG ''[[RuneScape]]'' has an infuriating quest of this type called ''[[Blatant Lies|One Small Favour]]''. By the time your character is halfway through building the very long chain of trades, he/she starts [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshading]] the ridiculousness of the whole thing. In the end, the original quest-giver doesn't seem to think getting him the original favor was such a big deal as to warrant a ''reward'' until your character goes off on him.
** Somewhat worthwhile though, a new recipe for a potion and 20000 free exp. Nothing to scoff at to an extent.
** Somewhat worthwhile though, a new recipe for a potion and 20000 free exp. Nothing to scoff at to an extent.
*** And a keyring, which is far more useful than it sounds.
*** And a keyring, which is far more useful than it sounds.
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* The ''[[Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy]]'' episode "Who, What, Where, Ed!" featured a Chain of Deals that started with Eddy trying to get a chicken egg from Rolf, who wanted sawdust they had to borrow from Kevin, who wanted paint they had to borrow from Jimmy, who wanted clams they had to borrow from Johnny, and so on, driving Eddy closer and closer to insanity (as well as [[Lampshade Hanging]]) with every turn. The chain goes to Jimmy ''twice'', they're forced to get something different from Johnny than he first asked because they couldn't get it from the Kankers, and eventually stretches back to Rolf. And while the Eds finally resolve the chain, {{spoiler|[[The Ditz|Ed]] [[Shaggy Dog Story|breaks the egg the second they get it]] because he thought he needed to set the chicken inside free.}}
* The ''[[Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy]]'' episode "Who, What, Where, Ed!" featured a Chain of Deals that started with Eddy trying to get a chicken egg from Rolf, who wanted sawdust they had to borrow from Kevin, who wanted paint they had to borrow from Jimmy, who wanted clams they had to borrow from Johnny, and so on, driving Eddy closer and closer to insanity (as well as [[Lampshade Hanging]]) with every turn. The chain goes to Jimmy ''twice'', they're forced to get something different from Johnny than he first asked because they couldn't get it from the Kankers, and eventually stretches back to Rolf. And while the Eds finally resolve the chain, {{spoiler|[[The Ditz|Ed]] [[Shaggy Dog Story|breaks the egg the second they get it]] because he thought he needed to set the chicken inside free.}}
* In one of the "Lord Bravery" segments of ''[[Freakazoid]]'', Lord Bravery is given a Cease-and-Desist order on his name, as it was first used by a bakery. As it turns out, the bakery resorted to Lord Bravery because the name the owner wanted to use was already taken. The owner offers to give Lord Bravery back his name if the owners of the business with the name she wants will give it to her. This leads to a ridiculously long chain of businesses with ludicrously inappropriate names that ends only with the discovery of a shop owner who is quite happy with his business' name, causing the chain to collapse.
* In one of the "Lord Bravery" segments of ''[[Freakazoid!]]'', Lord Bravery is given a Cease-and-Desist order on his name, as it was first used by a bakery. As it turns out, the bakery resorted to Lord Bravery because the name the owner wanted to use was already taken. The owner offers to give Lord Bravery back his name if the owners of the business with the name she wants will give it to her. This leads to a ridiculously long chain of businesses with ludicrously inappropriate names that ends only with the discovery of a shop owner who is quite happy with his business' name, causing the chain to collapse.
** And forcing Lord Bravery to change his monicker to Lord Smoked Meats And Fishes, making people respect him even ''less'' than they did before.
** And forcing Lord Bravery to change his monicker to Lord Smoked Meats And Fishes, making people respect him even ''less'' than they did before.
* This was also the basis for the ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' short ''Leghorn Swoggled'', with Henery Hawk making a long string of deals in order to catch Foghorn Leghorn. After making a bunch of deals (dog wants a bone, cat knows where to get a bone but wants a fish, mouse knows where to get fish but wants cheese) he remarks "I wonder what the cheese will want?"
* This was also the basis for the ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' short ''Leghorn Swoggled'', with Henery Hawk making a long string of deals in order to catch Foghorn Leghorn. After making a bunch of deals (dog wants a bone, cat knows where to get a bone but wants a fish, mouse knows where to get fish but wants cheese) he remarks "I wonder what the cheese will want?"