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{{quote|''"This isn't the best one to start with. It's not '[[Show Within a Show|Sumo Slammers]]' classic. It's '[[Development Gag|Sumo Slammers: Hero Generation]]'. [[Conversational Troping|It's a sequel to the original show, but they kinda' messed it up.]] [[Time Skip|It's like five years later]] [[Easily Forgiven|and the bad guy Kanko has teamed up with the hero Ishiyama.]] [[Self-Deprecation|It's not very realistic, is all I'm saying.]]"''|'''[[Ben 10|Ben Tennyson]]''', [[Fandom Nod|mirroring much of the fandom's feelings about]] ''[[Ben 10: Alien Force|Ben 10 Alien Force]]''}}
{{quote|''"This isn't the best one to start with. It's not '[[Show Within a Show|Sumo Slammers]]' classic. It's '[[Development Gag|Sumo Slammers: Hero Generation]]'. [[Conversational Troping|It's a sequel to the original show, but they kinda' messed it up.]] [[Time Skip|It's like five years later]] [[Easily Forgiven|and the bad guy Kanko has teamed up with the hero Ishiyama.]] [[Self-Deprecation|It's not very realistic, is all I'm saying.]]"''
|'''[[Ben 10|Ben Tennyson]]''', [[Fandom Nod|mirroring much of the fandom's feelings about]] ''[[Ben 10: Alien Force|Ben 10 Alien Force]]''}}


Sometimes there's a [[Sequel]] that attempts to address complaints people had with the original, or build upon the original's perceived strengths. Sometimes, in its attempt to do so, though, it may lose track of what made the original so great for many. If that happens, there may be a huge split in the fanbase, with some fans saying that the sequel is an excellent improvement, with others saying that the sequel's improvements aren't worth the other changes made. This can result in large flame wars when someone who prefers the original argues with those who consider the sequel to be superior.
Sometimes there's a [[Sequel]] that attempts to address complaints people had with the original, or build upon the original's perceived strengths. Sometimes, in its attempt to do so, though, it may lose track of what made the original so great for many. If that happens, there may be a huge split in the fanbase, with some fans saying that the sequel is an excellent improvement, with others saying that the sequel's improvements aren't worth the other changes made. This can result in large flame wars when someone who prefers the original argues with those who consider the sequel to be superior.
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See also [[First Installment Wins]], [[Critical Backlash]].
See also [[First Installment Wins]], [[Critical Backlash]].
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== Anime & Manga ==
== Anime and Manga ==
* A lot of [[Sunrise (company)|Sunrise]] series sequels tend to get these:
* A lot of [[Sunrise (company)|Sunrise]] series sequels tend to get these:
** ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' gets so much hate that it even effects how people now view ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED]]''. The primary reason for the hatred was poor battles, the Earth Alliance being incompetent, and characters getting [[Idiot Ball|dumber]] as the series went on. Kira was supposed to be a [[The Stoic|stoic]] older warrior but often came off as simply not having a personality.
** ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' gets so much hate that it even effects how people now view ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED]]''. The primary reason for the hatred was poor battles, the Earth Alliance being incompetent, and characters getting [[Idiot Ball|dumber]] as the series went on. Kira was supposed to be a [[The Stoic|stoic]] older warrior but often came off as simply not having a personality.
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== Western Animation ==
== Western Animation ==
* ''[[Ben 10: Alien Force|Ben 10 Alien Force]]'' as a series when compared to ''[[Ben 10]]''. Despite being said to be the sequel, many consider ''Alien Force'' to be a [[Alternate Continuity|different continuity]] from the original series. This is due to the characters not simply being older but [[Not as You Know Them|appearing to be entirely different people]] ('''especially''' Kevin). It also contradicts many things in the past series, [[All There in the Manual|although proper explanation was given between this and Ultimate Alien.]]
* ''[[Ben 10: Alien Force]]'' as a series when compared to ''[[Ben 10]]''. Despite being said to be the sequel, many consider ''Alien Force'' to be a [[Alternate Continuity|different continuity]] from the original series. This is due to the characters not simply being older but [[Not as You Know Them|appearing to be entirely different people]] ('''especially''' Kevin). It also contradicts many things in the past series, [[All There in the Manual|although proper explanation was given between this and Ultimate Alien.]]
** ''[[Ben 10: Ultimate Alien|Ben 10 Ultimate Alien]]'', the sequel to ''Alien Force'', continues the trend, with the series being widely considered a [[Franchise Zombie]] by this point.
** ''[[Ben 10: Ultimate Alien]]'', the sequel to ''Alien Force'', continues the trend, with the series being widely considered a [[Franchise Zombie]] by this point.
* ''[[Batman: The Animated Series|Batman the Animated Series]]''' sequel series, ''[[The New Batman Adventures]]''. Airing on a new station, the creators and cast returned, for the most part, and the art got revamped for the sake of smoother animation and to match the style used for Superman: The Animated Series. But controversy was afoot, as the sleeker animation came at the cost of art design. All the characters got a redesign, either minor or major, and the end result was... mixed. Batman, Robin and Batgirl looked fine, and the new Scarecrow absolutely knocked it out of the park, but Joker, Two-Face, Croc, Baby Doll and Riddler got over-simplified and lost their charm. Most sadly, Poison Ivy - one of the few females on the show to have a distinct character design - got turned into [[Only Six Faces|yet another Buruce Timm woman]]. The tone of the series is said to have suffered as well, with the focus widening to include Robin and Batgirl in most episodes. However, the series still produced some very memorable episodes, such as Over the Edge, Old Wounds, and Mad Love.
* ''[[Batman: The Animated Series]]''' sequel series, ''[[The New Batman Adventures]]''. Airing on a new station, the creators and cast returned, for the most part, and the art got revamped for the sake of smoother animation and to match the style used for Superman: The Animated Series. But controversy was afoot, as the sleeker animation came at the cost of art design. All the characters got a redesign, either minor or major, and the end result was... mixed. Batman, Robin and Batgirl looked fine, and the new Scarecrow absolutely knocked it out of the park, but Joker, Two-Face, Croc, Baby Doll and Riddler got over-simplified and lost their charm. Most sadly, Poison Ivy - one of the few females on the show to have a distinct character design - got turned into [[Only Six Faces|yet another Buruce Timm woman]]. The tone of the series is said to have suffered as well, with the focus widening to include Robin and Batgirl in most episodes. However, the series still produced some very memorable episodes, such as Over the Edge, Old Wounds, and Mad Love.
* ''[[The Batman]]'' was tossed into this the moment it was announced. Though the show was totally unrelated to TNBA and was a reboot, but some TNBA fans felt it didn't live up to "the standard." Eventually the show grew into its own path and found its own unique take on the characters.
* ''[[The Batman]]'' was tossed into this the moment it was announced. Though the show was totally unrelated to TNBA and was a reboot, but some TNBA fans felt it didn't live up to "the standard." Eventually the show grew into its own path and found its own unique take on the characters.
* ''[[Batman: The Brave And The Bold|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]''
* ''[[Batman: The Brave And The Bold]]''
** People started saying the same things about [[The Batman]] (which is lampshaded within the series itself with it's [[Fourth Wall Observer]] Batmite) and people are ALREADY crying this with the upcoming 2013 Batman cartoon involving Batman, a gun toting Alfred and Kantana. With the bar set so high because of the first series, it's commonplace for Batman.
** People started saying the same things about [[The Batman]] (which is lampshaded within the series itself with its [[Fourth Wall Observer]] Batmite) and people are ''already'' crying this with the upcoming{{when}} 2013 Batman cartoon involving Batman, a gun toting Alfred and Kantana. With the bar set so high because of the first series, it's commonplace for Batman.
** The series finale of Brave and the Bold [[Take That, Audience!|took a swipe at the fandom]] over this trend. [[This Loser Is You|Batmite]] goes through lengthy attempts to get Brave and the Bold cancelled because he wants a more serious series like B:TAS. When he succeeded, the show ends up getting replaced with a CGI ''Batgirl'' series. [[Hypocritical Humor|Batmite immediately starts complaining about preferring Brave and the Bold,]] especially when he realizes he's not going to be able to [[Shoo Out the Clowns|show up in a]] [[Darker and Edgier]] series.
** The series finale of ''Brave and the Bold'' [[Take That, Audience!|took a swipe at the fandom]] over this trend. [[This Loser Is You|Batmite]] goes through lengthy attempts to get Brave and the Bold cancelled because he wants a more serious series like B:TAS. When he succeeded, the show ends up getting replaced with a CGI ''Batgirl'' series. [[Hypocritical Humor|Batmite immediately starts complaining about preferring Brave and the Bold,]] especially when he realizes he's not going to be able to [[Shoo Out the Clowns|show up in a]] [[Darker and Edgier]] series.
* Some will argue that ''[[An American Tail]]: Fievel Goes West'' is better than the first movie because it's [[Lighter and Softer|not as depressing]] and it spends more time developing secondary characters, plus, you know, it has [[John Cleese]] playing a villain. Others would argue that making the movie [[Lighter and Softer]] completely took away what made the first movie so great in the first place.
* Some will argue that ''[[An American Tail]]: Fievel Goes West'' is better than the first movie because it's [[Lighter and Softer|not as depressing]] and it spends more time developing secondary characters, plus, you know, it has [[John Cleese]] playing a villain. Others would argue that making the movie [[Lighter and Softer]] completely took away what made the first movie so great in the first place.
* ''[[All Dogs Go to Heaven|All Dogs Go to Heaven 2]]''. While most fans of the first movie consider the second to be totally inferior because they say that it mostly lacks everything from the original, some say that it's a superior followup to the original because it's [[Lighter and Softer|not depressing]] and it has a good story with catchy songs.
* ''[[All Dogs Go to Heaven|All Dogs Go to Heaven 2]]''. While most fans of the first movie consider the second to be totally inferior because they say that it mostly lacks everything from the original, some say that it's a superior followup to the original because it's [[Lighter and Softer|not depressing]] and it has a good story with catchy songs.
* Season 2 of [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]] seems to be heading in this direction due to [[Lauren Faust]] [[Only the Creator Does It Right|quitting the show,]] with an increase on [[Parental Bonus|pop-culture references]], [[Fandom Nod]]s, [[Depending on the Writer|multiple different takes on the characters]], quite an amount of [[World Building]], [[Ascended Fanon]] and in general some ''very'' controversial writing/storytelling on most episodes.
* Season 2 of [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]] seems to be heading in this direction{{when}} due to [[Lauren Faust]] [[Only the Creator Does It Right|quitting the show,]] with an increase on [[Parental Bonus|pop-culture references]], [[Fandom Nod]]s, [[Depending on the Writer|multiple different takes on the characters]], quite an amount of [[World Building]], [[Ascended Fanon]] and in general some ''very'' controversial writing/storytelling on most episodes.
** Though a lot of the complaints seem to have subsided now that most of the season is out.
** Though a lot of the complaints seem to have subsided now that most of the season is out.
* ''[[The Ren and Stimpy Show]]'''s "Adult Party Cartoon." Many fans of the original show criticized the show's revival for being completely different than the show they grew up with, for being too dirty, and for being poorly written. However, fans of the APC praise it for going back to John K's roots and original ideas, which were snatched away from him when he was fired and Games took Spumco's place. Fans of the APC praise the show for its humor (which they claim wasn't THAT dirtier than the original series,) the noticeably smoother, more dynamic animation, and the writing. While non-fans despise the show for having "ruined" Ren and Stimpy, fans call the APC a "masterpiece."
* ''[[The Ren and Stimpy Show]]''{{'}}s "Adult Party Cartoon." Many fans of the original show criticized the show's revival for being completely different than the show they grew up with, for being too dirty, and for being poorly written. However, fans of the APC praise it for going back to John K's roots and original ideas, which were snatched away from him when he was fired and Games took Spumco's place. Fans of the APC praise the show for its humor (which they claim wasn't THAT dirtier than the original series,) the noticeably smoother, more dynamic animation, and the writing. While non-fans despise the show for having "ruined" Ren and Stimpy, fans call the APC a "masterpiece."
* ''The Rescuers Down Under'', a sequel to ''[[The Rescuers (Disney film)|The Rescuers]]'', has often been claimed by others to be better than the first film for [[Animation Bump|more fluid animation]], [[Scenery Porn|beautiful shots of the Australian Outback]], and Cody, a child less annoying than [[Cousin Oliver|Penny]].
* ''The Rescuers Down Under'', a sequel to ''[[The Rescuers (Disney film)|The Rescuers]]'', has often been claimed by others to be better than the first film for [[Animation Bump|more fluid animation]], [[Scenery Porn|beautiful shots of the Australian Outback]], and Cody, a child less annoying than [[Cousin Oliver|Penny]].
* Season three of the ''[[Total Drama Island|Total Drama]]'' series, ''Total Drama World Tour''. Is has its fans, but there is a rather vocal portion of the series fandom that dislike it. Reasons include belittling some fan favorites (Ezekiel, Bridgette, and arguably Izzy and Noah) and continuing the Courtney/Duncan/Gwen love triangle, a plot which many found tiring even during the season before.
* Season three of the ''[[Total Drama Island|Total Drama]]'' series, ''Total Drama World Tour''. Is has its fans, but there is a rather vocal portion of the series fandom that dislike it. Reasons include belittling some fan favorites (Ezekiel, Bridgette, and arguably Izzy and Noah) and continuing the Courtney/Duncan/Gwen love triangle, a plot which many found tiring even during the season before.
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