Dueling Shows: Difference between revisions

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| ''[[Maria-sama ga Miteru]]'' || ''[[Strawberry Panic (Light Novel)|Strawberry Panic]]'' || Show about [[Schoolgirl Lesbians]] set in an [[Elaborate University High]]. || ''[[Portmanteau Series Name|StoPani]]'' borrows many elements of ''Marimite'' but takes the [[Schoolgirl Lesbians]] factor farther. || Both have their fanbases, but ''Marimite'' has the longevity advantage, with nearly double the episode count of ''Panic!''.

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| ''[[Kaitou Saint Tail]]'' || ''[[Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne]]'' || [[Nuns N Rosaries|Catholic]] [[Phantom Thief]] [[Magical Girl]]. || ''Jeanne'' is a [[Grimmification]] of the cute, fluffy ''Saint Tail'' premise, with the title character as a jaded [[Broken Bird]] whose [[Mission From God]] isn't actually as holy as she thinks it is. || Draw.

| ''[[Kaitou Saint Tail]]'' || ''[[Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne]]'' || [[Nuns-N-Rosaries|Catholic]] [[Phantom Thief]] [[Magical Girl]]. || ''Jeanne'' is a [[Grimmification]] of the cute, fluffy ''Saint Tail'' premise, with the title character as a jaded [[Broken Bird]] whose [[Mission From God]] isn't actually as holy as she thinks it is. || Draw.

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| ''[[Kaze no Stigma (Light Novel)|Kaze no Stigma]]'' || ''[[Shakugan no Shana]]'' || Female redhead protagonist, check. Flaming sword, check. Combat schoolgirl outfit, check. Accomanying/obligatory ''[[Zettai Ryouiki]]'', check. || Fanservice-laden supernatural/magical schoolgirl [[Light Novel|light novels]]/shows, with varying degrees of competent male sidekick/love interest. || ''Shana'', sort of: Although the ''Stigma'' light novels came out in January of 2002 and Shana's came out in November of the same year, the ''Shana'' anime was renewed for two more seasons, while ''Stigma'''s wasn't. Both manga adaptations continue, but ''Shana'''s light novel series is also continued and has nearly twice as many volumes as ''Stigma'''s, which stopped at 12. It probably helped ''Shana'' that the author of the ''Stigma'' light novels [[Author Existence Failure|passed away]].

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| ''[[Blade (Anime)|Blade]]'' || ''[[Blood-C]]'' || Two anime about a [[Vampire Hunter]] || Both premiered during the same season and are based on estabilished franchiche - Blood-C is based on [[Blood the Last Vampire]] and Blade is adaptation of [[Marvel Comics]] series || Neither was particularly memorable and both ran for 12 episodes. Though Blade probably comes out slightly more ahead due to keeping pace with its story while Blood-C takes awhile to [[Growing the Beard|Grow The Beard]].

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| ''[[One Piece]]'' || ''[[Fairy Tail]]'' || [[Shonen]] series about a [[Ragtag Bunch of Misfits]] led by a [[Hot Blooded]] [[Idiot Hero]] whose main concept is [[The Power of Friendship]]. || The former is about pirates, the latter mages. Luffy aims to [[To Be a Master|be the Pirate King]], while Natsu wants to look for his missing dragon-parent [[Disappeared Dad|Igneel]]. ''[[One Piece]]'' also ran in publication in 1996, while ''[[Fairy Tail]]'' ran 10 years later. || Both shows are popular in and out of Japan, but even though ''[[Fairy Tail]]'' is becoming moderately successful (with a movie in the works), ''[[One Piece]]'' wins by a long mile.

| ''[[One Piece]]'' || ''[[Fairy Tail]]'' || [[Shonen]] series about a [[Ragtag Bunch of Misfits]] led by a [[Hot-Blooded]] [[Idiot Hero]] whose main concept is [[The Power of Friendship]]. || The former is about pirates, the latter mages. Luffy aims to [[To Be a Master|be the Pirate King]], while Natsu wants to look for his missing dragon-parent [[Disappeared Dad|Igneel]]. ''[[One Piece]]'' also ran in publication in 1996, while ''[[Fairy Tail]]'' ran 10 years later. || Both shows are popular in and out of Japan, but even though ''[[Fairy Tail]]'' is becoming moderately successful (with a movie in the works), ''[[One Piece]]'' wins by a long mile.

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| ''Code: Breaker'' || ''Out Code'' || Superpowered teenaged boys join up with [[Organization Index|The Organization]] and partner with muggle girls and save humanity from equally superpowered enemies. || This appears to blatant copying, with ''Out Code'' being the shonen-er version of ''Code:Breaker''. The main difference seems to be the aims of their enemies: CB's [[Big Bad]] wants superpower supremacy while OC's [[Mad Scientist]] wants to begin a huge [[Bizarre Baby Boom]]. Also, the lead of CB has [[Playing With Fire|fire powers]] while OC's lead is [[Shock and Awe|electric]]. || ''Code:Breaker''.

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| Original || Clone || Capsule Pitch Description || Implementation || Winner?

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| ''[[~~Babylon 5 (TV)|~~Babylon 5]]'' || ''[[Star Trek Deep Space Nine (TV)|Star Trek Deep Space Nine]]'' || [[City of Adventure|Adventure Town]] [[Recycled in Space|IN SPACE!]] becomes a hotspot for interstellar politics and an important staging point in a war with [[Scary Dogmatic Aliens]]. || Very different, but with enough surface similarities -- and a documented pre-''Deep Space Nine'' pitch of ''B5'' to Paramount -- to merit accusations of [[Follow the Leader|plagiarism]]. It should be noted that there is little evidence the creators of ''Deep Space Nine'' ever knew about the pitch of ''B5'' to Paramount. Both shows were driven by a central [[Story Arc]], but ''Babylon 5'' was almost purely arc-based while ''Deep Space Nine'' was more episodic, but started shifting more towards arc-based in later seasons. || Both were winners, and so were the viewers. Though ''Deep Space Nine'' is better remembered because it's a part of [[Star Trek (Franchise)|one of the biggest franchises of all time]], both shows are also equally beloved by their fans.

| ''[[Babylon 5]]'' || ''[[Star Trek Deep Space Nine (TV)|Star Trek Deep Space Nine]]'' || [[City of Adventure|Adventure Town]] [[Recycled in Space|IN SPACE!]] becomes a hotspot for interstellar politics and an important staging point in a war with [[Scary Dogmatic Aliens]]. || Very different, but with enough surface similarities -- and a documented pre-''Deep Space Nine'' pitch of ''B5'' to Paramount -- to merit accusations of [[Follow the Leader|plagiarism]]. It should be noted that there is little evidence the creators of ''Deep Space Nine'' ever knew about the pitch of ''B5'' to Paramount. Both shows were driven by a central [[Story Arc]], but ''Babylon 5'' was almost purely arc-based while ''Deep Space Nine'' was more episodic, but started shifting more towards arc-based in later seasons. || Both were winners, and so were the viewers. Though ''Deep Space Nine'' is better remembered because it's a part of [[Star Trek (Franchise)|one of the biggest franchises of all time]], both shows are also equally beloved by their fans.

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| ''[[Star Trek the Original Series (TV)|Star Trek the Original Series]]'' || ''[[Lost in Space]]'' || [[Wagon Train to The Stars]] || One is a classic of popular culture, the other is [[So Bad It's Good|cult kitsch]]. Notable in that Gene Rodenberry originally pitched ''Star Trek'' to [[CBS]], who listened to his ideas on how to pull off a space show on a weekly TV budget, rejected the pitch, then went on to use all the ideas he'd given them to make ''Lost In Space''. || Depends on how you look at it. On one hand, ''[[Lost in Space]]'' cleaned ''[[Star Trek the Original Series (TV)|Star Trek the Original Series]]'''s clock in the ratings and lasted longer. On the other hand, who still watches ''[[Lost in Space]]'' some forty years after the fact? (The 1998 [[Revival Movie]] flopped badly.) We're giving this one to ''[[Star Trek (Franchise)|Star Trek]]''.

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| ''[[Survivor]]'' || ''[[Big Brother]]'' || Musical Chairs [[Reality Show]] || [[Country Mouse]] vs. [[City Mouse]]. It should be noted that, in the United States, both shows are "on the same side" since [[CBS|one network]] airs them both. || In the US? ''Survivor''. Outside the US? Arguably ''[[Big Brother]]''.

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| ''Thief'' || ''[[Heist]]'' || [[Damn It Feels Good to Be A Gangster|Glamourous gangster]] drama. || Subtle character drama vs. glitzy action series. || Neither -- both shows had single-digit episode counts; ''Thief'' was a miniseries that never saw renewal, though it did win Andre Braugher an Emmy.

| ''Thief'' || ''[[Heist]]'' || [[Damn, It Feels Good to Be A Gangster!|Glamourous gangster]] drama. || Subtle character drama vs. glitzy action series. || Neither -- both shows had single-digit episode counts; ''Thief'' was a miniseries that never saw renewal, though it did win Andre Braugher an Emmy.

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| ''[[That Was Then]]'' || ''[[Do Over]]'' || [[The Eighties|80's]] [[Flash Back]] to [[High School]]. || One was a drama, the other a sitcom. || Neither was too successful; the [[Friday Night Death Slot]] and a concept only network execs enjoyed killed them both.

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| ''[[Saturday Night Live]]'' || ''[~~http://en.~~wikipedia~~.org/wiki/Fridays_%28TV_series%29~~ Fridays]'' || [[Sketch Comedy]] [[Variety Show]] || [[ABC]]'s ''Fridays'' was a formidable duelist, to the point of getting higher ratings and arguably having higher quality than the ''SNL'' episodes it was up against. || [[The Other Wiki]] explains that when ''Fridays'' was forced into a later time slot just as ''SNL'' was successfully revamped, the newcomer faded.

| ''[[Saturday Night Live]]'' || ''[[wikipedia:Fridays chr(28)TV serieschr(29)|Fridays]]'' || [[Sketch Comedy]] [[Variety Show]] || [[ABC]]'s ''Fridays'' was a formidable duelist, to the point of getting higher ratings and arguably having higher quality than the ''SNL'' episodes it was up against. || [[The Other Wiki]] explains that when ''Fridays'' was forced into a later time slot just as ''SNL'' was successfully revamped, the newcomer faded.

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|''[[American Guns (TV)|American Guns]]''|| ''[[Sons of Guns (TV)|Sons of Guns]]''|| Somewhat eccentric and abrasive gun shop owners make equally eccentric [[BFG|BFGs]] [[Index of the Week|Of The Week]]. || Oddly enough, ''both'' air on [[Discovery Channel]] ''simultaneously'', just two nights apart. The main differences end up settling on the shops' own specialties and eccentricities, with ''American Guns'' capitalizing on its "[[Old West]]" theme. || ''American Guns'' just started its freshman season, while ''Sons of Guns'' will complete at least two. Rumors and rumblings with production problems concerning ''Sons'' suggests ''American Guns'' may have been picked up as "insurance."

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| ''[[~~Doctor Who (TV)|~~Doctor Who]]'' (post-2005) || ''[[Primeval]]'' || Time-travelling adventure shows, based first and foremost at children but written with adults in mind. || The shows were produced by and screened on the UK's two biggest broadcasters; [[The BBC]] in the case of ''Doctor Who'', and [[ITV]] for ''Primeval''. || ''Doctor Who'' was definitely the overall winner, as it had better ratings, generally better reviews, and spawned a series of spin-offs. ''Primeval'' couldn't quite boast the same level of success, but it wasn't a failure for ITV in any sense of the word -- in fact, it was widely regarded as one of their best shows since the turn of the century.

| ''[[Doctor Who]]'' (post-2005) || ''[[Primeval]]'' || Time-travelling adventure shows, based first and foremost at children but written with adults in mind. || The shows were produced by and screened on the UK's two biggest broadcasters; [[The BBC]] in the case of ''Doctor Who'', and [[ITV]] for ''Primeval''. || ''Doctor Who'' was definitely the overall winner, as it had better ratings, generally better reviews, and spawned a series of spin-offs. ''Primeval'' couldn't quite boast the same level of success, but it wasn't a failure for ITV in any sense of the word -- in fact, it was widely regarded as one of their best shows since the turn of the century.

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| ''[[Pimp My Ride]]'' (MTV) || ''Overhaulin''' (TLC) || [[Alleged Car|Alleged Cars]] are turned into customized [[Cool Car|Cool Cars]] || ''[[Pimp My Ride]]'' is formatted more like ''[[Extreme Makeover]]'': The hooptie of the week is collected and the show follows the process of [[Exactly What It Says On the Tin|"pimping the car out."]] ''Overhaulin'' goes half-"Makeover", half-[[Punked]], with the car's owner tricked into thinking his/her car has been stolen, impounded, or towed and the show's hosts giving them the run-around while the mechanics do their thing. || While both had long runs (Pimp - 6 seasons, Overhaulin - 5), Pimp was far more popular, spawning several spin-offs and [[Memetic Mutation|memes]]<ref>Yo Dawg! We heard you like hottipes!</ref>.

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| ''[[Merlin (TV)|Merlin]]'' || ''[[Camelot (TV)|Camelot]]'' || A series based on the stories of [[King Arthur]] featuring an [[Estrogen Brigade Bait]] actor playing Merlin and a beautiful, [[Fake Brit|non-British]], [[Eerie Pale-Skinned Brunette]] actress playing evil sorceress Morgan(a). || ''[[Merlin (TV)|Merlin]]'' is based around a cast of mostly young unknowns while the cast of ''Camelot'' is older and more famous (Colin Morgan vs [[Shakespeare in Love|Joseph Fiennes]] and [[Katie McGrath]] vs [[Casino Royale (Film)|EvaGreen]].) ''[[Merlin (TV)|Merlin]]'' is unashamedly [[High Fantasy]] aimed at family viewing while ''[[Camelot (TV)|Camelot]]'' is a [[Darker and Edgier]] [[Low Fantasy]].|| ''[[Merlin (TV)|Merlin]]'' is still filming new episodes while ''[[Camelot (TV)|Camelot]]'' was cancelled after ten episodes.

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| ''[[Friday the ~~13 th~~ The Series]]'' || ''[[Freddys Nightmares]]'' || [[Genre Anthology|Horror Anthology]] show vaguely related to a famous [[Slasher Film]] series || ''Friday The 13th'' had no real connections to the films other than the name while ''Freddy's Nightmares'' actually had Robert Englund reprising his role as Freddy Krueger, although his role was usually limited to serving as the host and narrator of each episode. ''Friday The 13th'' had a [[Myth Arc]] behind the stories and featured a regular cast while in ''Freddy's Nightmares'' the stories were mostly unrelated. || Both of them ended around the same time but ''Friday The 13th'' had lasted one more season, had more episodes and got more respect critically.

| ''[[Friday the 13th: The Series]]'' || ''[[Freddys Nightmares]]'' || [[Genre Anthology|Horror Anthology]] show vaguely related to a famous [[Slasher Film]] series || ''Friday The 13th'' had no real connections to the films other than the name while ''Freddy's Nightmares'' actually had Robert Englund reprising his role as Freddy Krueger, although his role was usually limited to serving as the host and narrator of each episode. ''Friday The 13th'' had a [[Myth Arc]] behind the stories and featured a regular cast while in ''Freddy's Nightmares'' the stories were mostly unrelated. || Both of them ended around the same time but ''Friday The 13th'' had lasted one more season, had more episodes and got more respect critically.

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| ''[[Downton Abbey]]'' || ''[[Upstairs, Downstairs]]'' (2010 series) || Ensemble drama about the relationships between the family and staff of a large Edwardian house || ''Downton'' (like the original series of ''Upstairs Downstairs'') is set in the 1910's, in the leadup to [[World War I]]; ''[[Upstairs, Downstairs]]'' is set in the 30s in the leadup to [[World War II]] - aside from that the storylines are strikingly similar, including one of the sisters having an affair with the driver, and the lady of the house dealing with a late pregnancy. || ''Downton'''s first season finished in December 2010, ''Upstairs'' is still running. Both have been fairly well received.

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| ''Win, Lose or Draw'' || ''Pictionary'' || "Picture charades" [[Game Show]]. || Although ''Win, Lose or Draw'' came on the air before its rival, the ''Pictionary'' board game predated both. ''Fast Draw'', a 1968 game hosted by Johnny Gilbert, predated '''that'''. || ''Win, Lose or Draw'' for lasting three seasons (two on [[NBC]]) as opposed to ''Pictionary'''s two (both in syndication, and one of which was a children's show).

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| ''[[The Singing Bee]]'' || ''[[Don't Forget the Lyrics (TV)|Don't Forget the Lyrics]]'' || Karaoke [[Game Show]]. || In a double duel, [[NBC]] announced ''Singing Bee'' for fall 2007. [[FOX]] rushed the ripoff into production for summer 2007, which led NBC to announce an earlier start date before casting a host or taping an episode. The shows premiered on consecutive nights in July 2007. ''DFTL!'' has one contestant and an overall format [[Who Wants to Be Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?|echoing other big money game shows]], , whereas ''SB'' has multiple contestants in an elimination format, much like a spelling bee. ''Don't Forget the Lyrics!'' lasted three seasons on [[FOX]] before being canceled, while ''Singing Bee'' lasted only one season on [[NBC]]. The former went into syndication for a season, and the latter got [[~~Un Canceled~~]] for CMT. || ''Singing Bee'', which has outlasted both of ''Lyrics'' ' cancellations.

| ''[[The Singing Bee]]'' || ''[[Don't Forget the Lyrics (TV)|Don't Forget the Lyrics]]'' || Karaoke [[Game Show]]. || In a double duel, [[NBC]] announced ''Singing Bee'' for fall 2007. [[FOX]] rushed the ripoff into production for summer 2007, which led NBC to announce an earlier start date before casting a host or taping an episode. The shows premiered on consecutive nights in July 2007. ''DFTL!'' has one contestant and an overall format [[Who Wants to Be Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?|echoing other big money game shows]], , whereas ''SB'' has multiple contestants in an elimination format, much like a spelling bee. ''Don't Forget the Lyrics!'' lasted three seasons on [[FOX]] before being canceled, while ''Singing Bee'' lasted only one season on [[NBC]]. The former went into syndication for a season, and the latter got [[Uncanceled]] for CMT. || ''Singing Bee'', which has outlasted both of ''Lyrics'' ' cancellations.

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| ''[[Bewitched (TV)|Bewitched]]'' || ''[[I Dreamof Jeannie]]'' || [[Sit Com]] in which a guy tries to live an ordinary life despite having a long-term relationship with [[Magical Girlfriend|a blonde with magical powers]]. || ''[[Bewitched (TV)|Bewitched]]'' had Elizabeth Montgomery, Agnes Moorehead and [[The Other Darrin]]. ''[[I Dreamof Jeannie]]'' had JR Ewing and [[Ms. Fanservice|Barbara Eden in revealing clothing]]. Actually, if you like 1960s sitcoms, these are both pretty good. || Both won -- and so did viewers.

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| ''Any Dream Will Do'' (aka ''Joseph'') || ''Grease Is The Word'' || [[Talent Show]] in which a panel of experts search for the lead for an upcoming [[The Musical|musical production]]. || ''Joseph'' was, essentially, [[The BBC]]'s second season of their Musical Talent Show brand, which they debuted the previous year with ''How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria?''. ''Grease Is The Word'' was [[ITV]]'s adaptation of the U.S. version of ''Maria''. ''Joseph'' had [[Andrew Lloyd Webber]], [[John Barrowman]] and [[Denise Van Outen]] judging, ''Grease'' had [[David Gest]], musical producer David Ian, Brain Friedman from ''[[The X Factor]]'' and... Sinetta. || "Grease" was a ratings flop because it was in ''[[~~Doctor Who (TV)|~~Doctor Who]]'''s time slot and didn't have the star pull.

| ''Any Dream Will Do'' (aka ''Joseph'') || ''Grease Is The Word'' || [[Talent Show]] in which a panel of experts search for the lead for an upcoming [[The Musical|musical production]]. || ''Joseph'' was, essentially, [[The BBC]]'s second season of their Musical Talent Show brand, which they debuted the previous year with ''How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria?''. ''Grease Is The Word'' was [[ITV]]'s adaptation of the U.S. version of ''Maria''. ''Joseph'' had [[Andrew Lloyd Webber]], [[John Barrowman]] and [[Denise Van Outen]] judging, ''Grease'' had [[David Gest]], musical producer David Ian, Brain Friedman from ''[[The X Factor]]'' and... Sinetta. || "Grease" was a ratings flop because it was in ''[[Doctor Who]]'''s time slot and didn't have the star pull.

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| ''[[American Bandstand]]'' || ''[[Soul Train (TV)|Soul Train]]'' || Teens dancing to the popular music of the day. The day's hottest musical acts appeared as well. || To put it bluntly: ''[[American Bandstand]]'' was for white kids, and ''Soul Train'' was for black kids. Or to be a bit less blunt -- ''Bandstand'' emphazised the music, ''Train'' highlighted the dancing. A difference that was highlighted by both shows' signature segments: ''Bandstand's'' song ratings ([[Memetic Mutation|"It's got a good beat and you can dance to it!"]]) and the Soul Train Line. || Both lasted the same amount of seasons, with ''Bandstand'' having a 13-season headstart and ''Tain'' lasting thirteen seasons after ''Bandstand'''s cancellation. ''Soul Train'' seems to be more fondly remembered, though both have their [[Never Live It Down]] factor: ''Bandstand'' for [[Acceptable Targets|its overwhelming whiteness]] and ''Train'' for its inescapable link to [[Disco Dan|'70s fashion, music and afros.]]

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