Automoderated users, Autopatrolled users, Bureaucrats, Comment administrators, Confirmed users, Forum administrators, Interface administrators, Moderators, Rollbackers, Administrators
117,086
edits
Good Old Ways: Difference between revisions
standardized headers
No edit summary |
Looney Toons (talk | contribs) (standardized headers) Tag: Disambiguation links |
||
Line 1:
{{trope}}
{{quote|''"[[Ancestral Weapon|It's your father's lightsaber]]. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. [[Elegant Weapon for a More Civilized Age|An elegant weapon for a more... civilized age]]."''
|'''Obi-Wan Kenobi''', ''[[Star Wars]]''}}
This character [[Awesome Anachronistic Apparel|dresses in an old-fashioned manner]], uses old courtesies and practices things that have fallen by the wayside since [[Ye Goode Olde Days]]. Obviously a good man—the writer is using his adherence to the
[[The Hero]], the [[Old Master]], and other characters may explicitly affirm their loyalty to the
Not all
May overlap with [[Good Is Old-Fashioned]], with villains and other characters taunting him as old-fashioned, but this is when the writer uses the shorthand, or the character himself, and those who admire him. Note that being uniformly old-fashioned is not necessary; the character can pick and chose the best of both eras, as long as those characters he is contrasted to reject the best of old times as old-fashioned.
Line 12 ⟶ 13:
The [[Noble Savage]] and the [[Arcadia]]ns run on this trope. [[Ludd Was Right]] is a subtrope. [[Sacred Hospitality]] often invokes this.
In [[Real Life]],
It's similar to [[Disco Dan]], in that both involve someone longing for a "simpler," or "better time." The main difference, though is that
Contrast [[Man of Wealth and Taste]]. Compare [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]; [[Nostalgia Filter]]; and all of their related tropes.
{{examples}}
==
* "Pepperidge Farm remembers"▼
** Parodied on ''[[Futurama]]'' with [[Human Popsicle|Fry]] watching recordings of old TV shows which include lines such as▼
{{quote|'''TV:''' Remember when women couldn't vote and certain folk weren't allowed on golf courses? Pepperidge Farm remembers.▼
'''Fry:''' Those were the days. }}▼
* Then there was the ''[[Family Guy]]'' version;▼
{{quote|Remember when you hit that pedestrian with your car at the crosswalk and then just drove away? Pepperidge Farm remembers, but Pepperidge Farm ain't just gonna keep it to Pepperidge Farm's self free of charge. Maybe you go out and buy yourself some of these distinctive Milano cookies, maybe this whole thing disappears.}}▼
== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
* Played with in [[Samurai Champloo]]—set in medieval Japan, most characters behave like it's modern day, which is the whole premise of the show. Jin, the one character who acts appropriate to the age, is remarked upon as being "old fashioned."
* ''[[Rurouni Kenshin]]'' The titular character speaks in the same way one would speak to a Japanese feudal lord (even though it's the Meiji era), and this is commented on by other characters more than once.
* [[Bartender]] dwells a lot on the difference between traditional cocktail bartending and modern nightclub bartending, usually to the effect of how much better the old ways are.
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* [[Captain America (comics)|Captain America]] is sometimes seen as a practitioner of these. He grew up in New York during the Great Depression, and sometimes he attributes his [[The Cape (trope)|Cape-like]] morality to his past.
** This is more pronounced in [[Ultimate Marvel]], where there's a bigger gap between Cap getting frozen and thawed, and he has had far less time to get adjusted. For instance, while dating the Wasp, she was annoyed that his chivalry bordered on patronizing, he was bewildered by what she wore and watched on TV, and talked like her grandfather. To his credit, Cap was ahead of his time in some respects such as in the ''Ultimates Annual'' which has a World War II photo of him in costume, proudly standing with the African
* There is also Turner D. Century, a supervillain who is dedicated to forcing society to change back to what it was before [[World War I]]. He was eventually killed off by the Scourge of the Underworld, a character created ''specifically'' for killing off minor and/or ill-conceived villains.
* [[Hawkman]] and his partner/lover Hawk<s>girl</s>'''woman''' frequently use maces, spears and other primitive weapons against criminals. Justified in that they're reincarnations of ancient Egyptian lovers. Subverted during the Silver Age when they were extra-terrestrials from a world that had developed FTL starships.
▲* "Pepperidge Farm remembers"
▲** Parodied on ''[[Futurama]]'' with [[Human Popsicle|Fry]] watching recordings of old TV shows which include lines such as
▲{{quote|'''TV:''' Remember when women couldn't vote and certain folk weren't allowed on golf courses? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
▲'''Fry:''' Those were the days. }}
▲* Then there was the [[Family Guy]] version;
▲{{quote|Remember when you hit that pedestrian with your car at the crosswalk and then just drove away? Pepperidge Farm remembers, but Pepperidge Farm ain't just gonna keep it to Pepperidge Farm's self free of charge. Maybe you go out and buy yourself some of these distinctive Milano cookies, maybe this whole thing disappears.}}
== [[Film]] ==
Line 46 ⟶ 47:
* ''[[Ghost Dog]]'' is entirely about this trope. The title character lives as a samurai in nineties Jersey City, working as a hitman for the mob. The film is interspersed with quotes from the ''[[The Hagakure|Hagakure]]'' demonstrating how Ghost Dog is doing his best to live by the code of the samurai in the modern age. {{spoiler|It doesn't go so well.}}
* ''[[Casino Royale 1967]]'' features David Niven as the original, retired James Bond, who considered spying to be a noble calling and expressed contempt for the current breed exemplified by his namesake.
* A persistent Chinese legend is of a traveler who finds an [[Arcadia]]n village living peaceful and happily in some out-of-the-way corner. Talking with them, he learns they are under the impression that they are still living under the last dynasty, or the one before that. In Communist China, they are said to have asked "Who now sits on the Dragon Throne?"▼
** The Mao Dynasty, of course.▼
* There is a persistent myth in the study of Greek warfare that the Greeks in the [[Ye Goode Olde Days|Olden Days]] used to fight honourably, agreeing where and when to engage, refusing to exploit advantages and even banning missiles to keep fights fair. This myth is almost entirely based on a single passage in Polybius praising the Good Old Ways. There is practically no real evidence backing up his statement.▼
** More likely they fought the same way because they had low training and their way worked with low taxes. They fought in the same place, because that is how geography worked out. And they refused to exploit advantage because they wanted to be back on their farms.▼
== [[Literature]] ==
Line 88 ⟶ 83:
* [[Alice, Girl from the Future]] features an old fashioned man who doesn't trust modern tech. That is, he refuses to use air cars, preferring the old fashioned personal wings, he doesn't like a new electronic food distribution computer installed in the zoo, insisting old fashioned robots are better (well, the computer does prove to be bugged)... and he is the only man capable of urgently repairing some advanced alien equipment.
== [[Live
* Leonard McCoy from ''[[Star Trek: The Original Series]]'' both enforces and subverts this trope. He's rabidly in favor of fighting the dehumanizing effects of too much technology (especially the transporter) in favor of enjoying "the simple things in life", and yet sees "primitive 20th-century medicine" as just above trepanation, leeches, and blood-letting in its barbarity, preferring the "high tech approach" to healing.
** In general, he embraces the positive, constructive aspects of technological progress rather than the destructive or dehumanizing ones.
Line 96 ⟶ 91:
** [[Word of God]] says that the Minbari were modeled on the Japanese. Personally the connection doesn't seem that obvious; they seem like a number of human cultures and in some ways more typical of humanity throughout history then the humans on the show which are more like modern westerners.
== [[Music]] ==
* "Gimme that old time religion / 'cuz it's good enough for me."
* "[[O Brother, Where Art Thou?|As I went down in the river to pray /]] studying about that ''good old way...''"
* [[Chap-Hop]] works often incorporate this, targeting [[The Edwardian Era]].
== [[Oral Tradition]], [[Folklore]], Myths and Legends ==
▲* A persistent Chinese legend is of a traveler who finds an [[Arcadia]]n village living peaceful and happily in some out-of-the-way corner. Talking with them, he learns they are under the impression that they are still living under the last dynasty, or the one before that. In Communist China, they are said to have asked "Who now sits on the Dragon Throne?"
▲** The Mao Dynasty, of course.
▲* There is a persistent myth in the study of Greek warfare that the Greeks in the [[Ye Goode Olde Days|Olden Days]] used to fight honourably, agreeing where and when to engage, refusing to exploit advantages and even banning missiles to keep fights fair. This myth is almost entirely based on a single passage in Polybius praising the Good Old Ways. There is practically no real evidence backing up his statement.
▲** More likely they fought the same way because they had low training and their way worked with low taxes. They fought in the same place, because that is how geography worked out. And they refused to exploit advantage because they wanted to be back on their farms.
== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
Line 120 ⟶ 121:
** This very history made the town a great tourist trap, however. So the locals are still proud of their roots, but as they still prosper, happy to have it either way, or both, and most of them would gladly follow the old Heterodynes, Heterodyne Boys or Agatha. A few ''did'' prefer the new ways enough to see the return of Heterodynes as a threat. But this being Mechanicsburg, their conspiracy was noticed by a guy whose loyalty was set to "fanboy", and a series of "unfortunate accidents" happened before their plans could go too far.
** Meanwhile, the Jägermonsters, the [[Super Soldier]] minions of the Heterodynes who were banned from Mechanicsburg until "The Heterodyne" was found, are still trying to figure out what kind of Heterodyne Agatha will be, and hoping that she'll turn out to be ''vun ov de '''fun''' vuns!''
* ''[[The Dreamland Chronicles]]'': [https://web.archive.org/web/20120622061632/http://www.thedreamlandchronicles.com/the-dreamland-chronicles/chapter-08/page-496/ The king defends receiving humans as this trope]. Nicodemus is less than impressed.
{{reflist}}
| |||