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Compare and contrast [[No Hugging, No Kissing]], [[Will They or Won't They?]], [[Ship Tease]], [[Bait and Switch Lesbians]], [[Have You Tried Not Being a Monster?]], [[Ambiguously Gay]], [[But Not Too Bi]] and [[Relationship Reveal]]. See also [[Bury Your Gays]]. Contrast [[Everyone Is Bi]] and [[Cast Full of Gay]]. ''Extremely'' contrast [[Girl On Girl Is Hot]] (when the characters are old enough to make out).
Compare and contrast [[No Hugging, No Kissing]], [[Will They or Won't They?]], [[Ship Tease]], [[Bait and Switch Lesbians]], [[Have You Tried Not Being a Monster?]], [[Ambiguously Gay]], [[But Not Too Bi]] and [[Relationship Reveal]]. See also [[Bury Your Gays]]. Contrast [[Everyone Is Bi]] and [[Cast Full of Gay]]. ''Extremely'' contrast [[Girl On Girl Is Hot]] (when the characters are old enough to make out).


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== Anime and Manga ==
== Anime and Manga ==
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**** There's no contradiction. They won't pursue a relationship in the third season because they're [[Anchored Ship|afraid it will distract them from their mission]]. At the end of that season they announce that [[Relationship Upgrade|their mission has concluded and...]]
**** There's no contradiction. They won't pursue a relationship in the third season because they're [[Anchored Ship|afraid it will distract them from their mission]]. At the end of that season they announce that [[Relationship Upgrade|their mission has concluded and...]]
*** The second case was Usagi/Serena and Seiya. The anime changed Seiya from a crossdressing lesbian to an actual boy, in civilian form, to make their relationship heterosexual. This was done to avoid controversy caused by Uranus and Neptune.
*** The second case was Usagi/Serena and Seiya. The anime changed Seiya from a crossdressing lesbian to an actual boy, in civilian form, to make their relationship heterosexual. This was done to avoid controversy caused by Uranus and Neptune.
* In ''[[Tokyo Mew Mew]]'', Minto was actually allowed to give a love confession to her [[Onee Sama]] Zakuro, but they were fighting at the time, and Zakuro never gives her answer onscreen. Compare to fellow minor teammate Retasu, who was allowed to carry out a long and involved [[Ship Tease]] [[Love Triangle]] with ''two'' males, one of whom she actually kissed.
* In ''[[Tokyo Mew Mew]]'', Minto was actually allowed to give a love confession to her [[Onee-Sama]] Zakuro, but they were fighting at the time, and Zakuro never gives her answer onscreen. Compare to fellow minor teammate Retasu, who was allowed to carry out a long and involved [[Ship Tease]] [[Love Triangle]] with ''two'' males, one of whom she actually kissed.
** It should be noted, however, that the wording used by Minto in the anime is more ambiguous than the way Ichigo and Masaya confess their love to each other, which gives Minto's line a possibility to be taken in a more or less neutral "I pledge my loyalty" sense. Although the anime itself is greatly [[Bowdlerise|bowdlerised]] in that aspect -- in the manga Minto's crush on Zakuro is increasingly more blatant and hardly allows for interpretations outside of the [[Schoolgirl Lesbians]] concept.
** It should be noted, however, that the wording used by Minto in the anime is more ambiguous than the way Ichigo and Masaya confess their love to each other, which gives Minto's line a possibility to be taken in a more or less neutral "I pledge my loyalty" sense. Although the anime itself is greatly [[Bowdlerise|bowdlerised]] in that aspect -- in the manga Minto's crush on Zakuro is increasingly more blatant and hardly allows for interpretations outside of the [[Schoolgirl Lesbians]] concept.
* As ''[[Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch]]'' shows, [[Minion Shipping]] isn't totally immune. Mimi and Sheshe's almost-kiss was cut from broadcast, while the main girls kiss their boyfriends all the time. If you take their group name literally, it could be Hide Your Incest too, but it's also quite plausible that they're not actually sisters and the name comes from either the [[Onee Sama]] tradition or their shared origin -- either way, it's pretty badly hidden, all right.
* As ''[[Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch]]'' shows, [[Minion Shipping]] isn't totally immune. Mimi and Sheshe's almost-kiss was cut from broadcast, while the main girls kiss their boyfriends all the time. If you take their group name literally, it could be Hide Your Incest too, but it's also quite plausible that they're not actually sisters and the name comes from either the [[Onee-Sama]] tradition or their shared origin -- either way, it's pretty badly hidden, all right.
** A third theory is that they really were sisters, but were putting on an act (t.a.T.u., anyone?). Still, the censorship puts them here anyway.
** A third theory is that they really were sisters, but were putting on an act (t.a.T.u., anyone?). Still, the censorship puts them here anyway.
* [[Naruto]] has a male example of this with [[Starter Villain|Starter Villains]] Zabuza and Haku. Although it is never truly explained what their relationship was, it was ''heavily'' hinted that there was more than just mentor/student feelings between them, especially when you consider Haku's absolute devotion and Zabuza's parting words at the end.
* [[Naruto]] has a male example of this with [[Starter Villain|Starter Villains]] Zabuza and Haku. Although it is never truly explained what their relationship was, it was ''heavily'' hinted that there was more than just mentor/student feelings between them, especially when you consider Haku's absolute devotion and Zabuza's parting words at the end.
** [[Justified Trope|Justified]] in that Zabuza wasn't the type to admit romantic feelings, regardless of gender, and Haku would have kept it secret so as not to cause problems for Zabuza.
** [[Justified Trope|Justified]] in that Zabuza wasn't the type to admit romantic feelings, regardless of gender, and Haku would have kept it secret so as not to cause problems for Zabuza.
* ''[[Azumanga Daioh (Manga)|Azumanga Daioh]]'' had, already from its initial run, a fair amount of [[Les Yay]] revolving around Kaorin's obsession with the [[Averted Trope|not really]] [[Tall Dark and Bishoujo]], [[Shrinking Violet|Sakaki]]... Then, in the newly-released 10th anniversary manga, [http://mangahelpers.com/s/megchan-scanlations/readonline/43115/12?t=1251048090 this] situation arose... However, since the series, [[High School|being the kind of series it was]], ended when the main characters graduated, and without any (of the few existing) relationships resolved or expanded upon to boot, it's up to [[Fanon|the readers to decide]] [[Fan Fiction|what happened after that]].
* ''[[Azumanga Daioh (Manga)|Azumanga Daioh]]'' had, already from its initial run, a fair amount of [[Les Yay]] revolving around Kaorin's obsession with the [[Averted Trope|not really]] [[Tall, Dark and Bishoujo]], [[Shrinking Violet|Sakaki]]... Then, in the newly-released 10th anniversary manga, [http://mangahelpers.com/s/megchan-scanlations/readonline/43115/12?t=1251048090 this] situation arose... However, since the series, [[High School|being the kind of series it was]], ended when the main characters graduated, and without any (of the few existing) relationships resolved or expanded upon to boot, it's up to [[Fanon|the readers to decide]] [[Fan Fiction|what happened after that]].
* An odd example occurs in the manga ''Mugen Densetsu Takamagahara: Dream Saga''. In one world, Nachi is female in mind and body, while [[Gender Bender|in another]], she is [[Transsexual]]. Her romantic subplots with Takaomi and Souta, both of whom are male, are almost exclusively given attention in Takamagahara, i.e. when Nachi looks female; in Nakatsukuni, it's reduced to [[Even the Guys Want Him]] gags.
* An odd example occurs in the manga ''Mugen Densetsu Takamagahara: Dream Saga''. In one world, Nachi is female in mind and body, while [[Gender Bender|in another]], she is [[Transsexual]]. Her romantic subplots with Takaomi and Souta, both of whom are male, are almost exclusively given attention in Takamagahara, i.e. when Nachi looks female; in Nakatsukuni, it's reduced to [[Even the Guys Want Him]] gags.
* Nanoha and Fate from the ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]'' franchise likely have something more going on than just a [[Romantic Two Girl Friendship|romantically tinged friendship]]. At least, they share a bed and even adopt a child together. ''If'' that is indeed the case, they keep very quiet about it, since they don't do more in public than exchange glances. Of course, in the real world there are also people who don't like to spill the beans about their (homosexual) relationships either, so then it would be a case of [[Truth in Television]].
* Nanoha and Fate from the ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]'' franchise likely have something more going on than just a [[Romantic Two-Girl Friendship|romantically tinged friendship]]. At least, they share a bed and even adopt a child together. ''If'' that is indeed the case, they keep very quiet about it, since they don't do more in public than exchange glances. Of course, in the real world there are also people who don't like to spill the beans about their (homosexual) relationships either, so then it would be a case of [[Truth in Television]].
** This is particularly odd in that, in contrast, we get to see Subaru wake Tea up by groping her breasts and go on what look like dates. If any of the characters in the series have any romantic connection at all, they tend to be pretty jaded and/or secretive about it.
** This is particularly odd in that, in contrast, we get to see Subaru wake Tea up by groping her breasts and go on what look like dates. If any of the characters in the series have any romantic connection at all, they tend to be pretty jaded and/or secretive about it.
** By ''ViVid'' this has gotten strange. Yuuno is no longer in the picture, and, for the last 4 years, Vivio has considered Fate as her other mother. Nanoha and Fate still live with each other when Fate isn't on a mission that takes her to other worlds; they still refer to each other as "best friends", but are referred to collectively as "The Takamachi Family." (They own a minivan.) The writers are taking it to the molecule-length of the line.{{spoiler|'''Before''' Vivid, Yuuno was explicitly mentioned as an important part of said Takamachi Family (latest official [[Love Chart]] no less).}}
** By ''ViVid'' this has gotten strange. Yuuno is no longer in the picture, and, for the last 4 years, Vivio has considered Fate as her other mother. Nanoha and Fate still live with each other when Fate isn't on a mission that takes her to other worlds; they still refer to each other as "best friends", but are referred to collectively as "The Takamachi Family." (They own a minivan.) The writers are taking it to the molecule-length of the line.{{spoiler|'''Before''' Vivid, Yuuno was explicitly mentioned as an important part of said Takamachi Family (latest official [[Love Chart]] no less).}}
** With the [[Seiyuu|Seiyuus]] and [[Scapegoat Creator|Tsuzuki]] [[Sarcasm Mode|joked about this no less]]...
** With the [[Seiyuu|Seiyuus]] and [[Scapegoat Creator|Tsuzuki]] [[Sarcasm Mode|joked about this no less]]...
** Although it's not just Nanoha and Fate- aside from Chrono and Amy, who never actually appear together after the scene that reveals they got married, ''none'' of the relationships are confirmed to be more than friendship, regardless of the genders involved, so this could be attributed to [[No Hugging No Kissing]].
** Although it's not just Nanoha and Fate- aside from Chrono and Amy, who never actually appear together after the scene that reveals they got married, ''none'' of the relationships are confirmed to be more than friendship, regardless of the genders involved, so this could be attributed to [[No Hugging, No Kissing]].
* ''[[Mariasama ga Miteru (Light Novel)|Mariasama ga Miteru]]'' excels at setting up [[Romantic Two Girl Friendship|beautiful, romantic relationships]] [[Schoolgirl Lesbians|between female characters]] that [[Bait and Switch Lesbians|never quite]] [[Relationship Reveal|make the leap into text]].
* ''[[Mariasama ga Miteru (Light Novel)|Mariasama ga Miteru]]'' excels at setting up [[Romantic Two-Girl Friendship|beautiful, romantic relationships]] [[Schoolgirl Lesbians|between female characters]] that [[Bait and Switch Lesbians|never quite]] [[Relationship Reveal|make the leap into text]].
* Alicia and Akari from ''[[Aria (Manga)|Aria]]'' get ever closer and closer during the course of the series, culminating in the highly romantic ''Arietta'' [[OVA]], only to have things blow up when {{spoiler|Alicia announces to get married--and not to Akari, of course}}. This leads to exactly ''one'' short scene in which [[media:alicia-akari-hug.png|a seemingly heartbroken Akari gets comforted by Alicia]]--and that's that. Then again, she ''might'' {{spoiler|still be marrying ''another'' woman... like her former mentor, "Grandma" Akino, the only one seen constantly with Alicia in the end of the series}}.
* Alicia and Akari from ''[[Aria (Manga)|Aria]]'' get ever closer and closer during the course of the series, culminating in the highly romantic ''Arietta'' [[OVA]], only to have things blow up when {{spoiler|Alicia announces to get married--and not to Akari, of course}}. This leads to exactly ''one'' short scene in which [[media:alicia-akari-hug.png|a seemingly heartbroken Akari gets comforted by Alicia]]--and that's that. Then again, she ''might'' {{spoiler|still be marrying ''another'' woman... like her former mentor, "Grandma" Akino, the only one seen constantly with Alicia in the end of the series}}.
* ''[[Cardcaptor Sakura (Manga)|Cardcaptor Sakura]]''. "Ummm... this show you wanted us to dub? [[Everyone Is Bi|There might be a problem...]]"
* ''[[Cardcaptor Sakura (Manga)|Cardcaptor Sakura]]''. "Ummm... this show you wanted us to dub? [[Everyone Is Bi|There might be a problem...]]"
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** And another from Yubel, talking to Juudai about Johan, in Episode 154: "You truly prefer that boy over me? Even the love you gave me is his now?"
** And another from Yubel, talking to Juudai about Johan, in Episode 154: "You truly prefer that boy over me? Even the love you gave me is his now?"
* Sandra and Greta from ''[[Drama Con]]'' are never said to be a couple, but they certainly act like it: holding hands, sharing a bed, dancing together, etc. Greta even calls Sandra "love" at one point.
* Sandra and Greta from ''[[Drama Con]]'' are never said to be a couple, but they certainly act like it: holding hands, sharing a bed, dancing together, etc. Greta even calls Sandra "love" at one point.
* In ''[[Mahou Sensei Negima (Manga)|Mahou Sensei Negima]]'', [[Bodyguard Crush|Setsuna and Konoka]] are heavily, ''heavily'' implied to be lesbians, but it is never stated outright. In the [[Where Are They Now Epilogue]], it's mentioned that Setsuna got married in 2017, though it doesn't mention to who. [[Getting Crap Past the Radar|Konoka also got married in 2017]].
* In ''[[Mahou Sensei Negima (Manga)|Mahou Sensei Negima]]'', [[Bodyguard Crush|Setsuna and Konoka]] are heavily, ''heavily'' implied to be lesbians, but it is never stated outright. In the [[Where Are They Now? Epilogue]], it's mentioned that Setsuna got married in 2017, though it doesn't mention to who. [[Getting Crap Past the Radar|Konoka also got married in 2017]].
** and they're wearing very obvious wedding outfits. And Setsuna is carrying Konoka. Bridal style. A very, VERY happy looking Konoka...
** and they're wearing very obvious wedding outfits. And Setsuna is carrying Konoka. Bridal style. A very, VERY happy looking Konoka...
* In ''[[Magical Pokémon Journey]]'' a Squirtle has a crush on a male human, Almond. The English translators tried to censor it but the [[Ho Yay]] was still there. There's also Charmander who is implied to have a crush on Eevee, but it's never very explicit.
* In ''[[Magical Pokémon Journey]]'' a Squirtle has a crush on a male human, Almond. The English translators tried to censor it but the [[Ho Yay]] was still there. There's also Charmander who is implied to have a crush on Eevee, but it's never very explicit.
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* In ''[[Jade Empire]]'', both Silk Fox and Sky can be romanced by a character of either gender. A heterosexual coupling will be sealed with a kiss, while the camera will cut away before the kiss with a homosexual pairing.
* In ''[[Jade Empire]]'', both Silk Fox and Sky can be romanced by a character of either gender. A heterosexual coupling will be sealed with a kiss, while the camera will cut away before the kiss with a homosexual pairing.
** There is a fan-made patch that restores the same-sex kiss. Apparently the scripting is still there, it just has to be re-enabled.
** There is a fan-made patch that restores the same-sex kiss. Apparently the scripting is still there, it just has to be re-enabled.
* [[Word of God]] has always had interesting things to say about the antagonists Gulcasa and Nessiah in ''[[Yggdra Union]]'', claiming that Gulcasa trusts Nessiah more than anyone else and that the two are closer than anyone else in the Imperial Army. The issue is resolved in this particular game by never having them both onscreen at the same time, although Nessiah (a strict user of [[Keigo]]) is shown to be [[First Name Basis|on first-name, no-suffix basis]] with Gulcasa regardless. Three years after ''[[Yggdra Union]]'' was released, ''[[Yggdra Unison]]'' came out, which allows everyone to interact with everyone--and even in Nessiah's route, where he's portrayed as a [[Villain Ball Magnet]] hated by almost the entire cast, nary a conversation between Gulcasa and Nessiah goes by without some form of playful flirting being exchanged. ''[[Blaze Union]]'', in which Gulcasa is the protagonist, has their relationship finally graduate into [[But Not Too Gay]] and spents its quota of subtext on the metaphorical equivalent of [[Their First Time]] under [[Mate or Die|extenuating]] [[Sex As Rite of Passage|and symbolic]] circumstances.
* [[Word of God]] has always had interesting things to say about the antagonists Gulcasa and Nessiah in ''[[Yggdra Union]]'', claiming that Gulcasa trusts Nessiah more than anyone else and that the two are closer than anyone else in the Imperial Army. The issue is resolved in this particular game by never having them both onscreen at the same time, although Nessiah (a strict user of [[Keigo]]) is shown to be [[First-Name Basis|on first-name, no-suffix basis]] with Gulcasa regardless. Three years after ''[[Yggdra Union]]'' was released, ''[[Yggdra Unison]]'' came out, which allows everyone to interact with everyone--and even in Nessiah's route, where he's portrayed as a [[Villain Ball Magnet]] hated by almost the entire cast, nary a conversation between Gulcasa and Nessiah goes by without some form of playful flirting being exchanged. ''[[Blaze Union]]'', in which Gulcasa is the protagonist, has their relationship finally graduate into [[But Not Too Gay]] and spents its quota of subtext on the metaphorical equivalent of [[Their First Time]] under [[Mate or Die|extenuating]] [[Sex As Rite of Passage|and symbolic]] circumstances.
** The same games have [[Butch Lesbian|Zilva]] and [[Bi the Way|Elena]], whose relationship reads rather a lot like [[Star Crossed Lovers]]. ''[[Blaze Union]]'' adds credence to the theory that there's something going on between them, implying that Zilva has come to view Elena as a [[Replacement Goldfish]] for another girl she once had a crush on, a character who dies in the canon route of that game.
** The same games have [[Butch Lesbian|Zilva]] and [[Bi the Way|Elena]], whose relationship reads rather a lot like [[Star-Crossed Lovers]]. ''[[Blaze Union]]'' adds credence to the theory that there's something going on between them, implying that Zilva has come to view Elena as a [[Replacement Goldfish]] for another girl she once had a crush on, a character who dies in the canon route of that game.
* ''[[Dragon Age]]'' averts this ''hard''. In ''Origins'', with a female Warden and [[Action Girl|Leliana]] (and Isabela in the Pearl, though that's more casual sex and less relationship). In ''Dragon Age II'', a female Hawke can choose to enter a lesbian relationship with either [[Cloudcuckoolander|Merrill]] or [[Lovable Sex Maniac|Isabela]].
* ''[[Dragon Age]]'' averts this ''hard''. In ''Origins'', with a female Warden and [[Action Girl|Leliana]] (and Isabela in the Pearl, though that's more casual sex and less relationship). In ''Dragon Age II'', a female Hawke can choose to enter a lesbian relationship with either [[Cloudcuckoolander|Merrill]] or [[Lovable Sex Maniac|Isabela]].
** The male side of things averts it just as hard, with a male Warden being able to romance [[Anything That Moves|Zevran]] and Hawke being able to romance [[White Magician Girl|Anders]] or [[Jerkass Woobie|Fenris]], with all the same emotianal depth as the straight variations of those romances.
** The male side of things averts it just as hard, with a male Warden being able to romance [[Anything That Moves|Zevran]] and Hawke being able to romance [[White Magician Girl|Anders]] or [[Jerkass Woobie|Fenris]], with all the same emotianal depth as the straight variations of those romances.
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** In the show's bible, [http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/backstage/wbible/14.gif Montoya] is described as becoming a cop after the death of her '''husband'''. Of course, this clearly didn't affect the show, as it was never mentioned. In that the bible was an early draft of the show's style and several other small aspects didn't make it to air, it may've been put in for the sake of characterization; giving her motivations and what kind of cop she would be.
** In the show's bible, [http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/backstage/wbible/14.gif Montoya] is described as becoming a cop after the death of her '''husband'''. Of course, this clearly didn't affect the show, as it was never mentioned. In that the bible was an early draft of the show's style and several other small aspects didn't make it to air, it may've been put in for the sake of characterization; giving her motivations and what kind of cop she would be.
** Also, Harley and Ivy as stated above. Being that they would cause controversy and possibly have to cancel the show if they outright stated their romance, they put it in [[Getting Crap Past the Radar|as much as they could.]]
** Also, Harley and Ivy as stated above. Being that they would cause controversy and possibly have to cancel the show if they outright stated their romance, they put it in [[Getting Crap Past the Radar|as much as they could.]]
* [[Romantic Two Girl Friendship|Kitty and Bunny]], from ''[[Courage the Cowardly Dog]]''.
* [[Romantic Two-Girl Friendship|Kitty and Bunny]], from ''[[Courage the Cowardly Dog]]''.


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