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Of the 52 submarines lost by the U.S. Navy in World War II, at least one - the USS ''Corvina'' (SS-226) - was confirmed torpedoed and sunk by a Japanese submarine while running on the surface, while the Japanese lost five submarines to American submarine attacks. Three of the Japanese losses, all of them small RO-class boats, were credited to the USS ''Batfish'' during a single three-day period in February 1945. Two U-boat kills were also credited to American submarines, one being during WWI. Neither was confirmed.
 
However, whilst the crew of the HMS ''Venturer'' only [[AwesomeAwesomeness By Analysis|had paper, pencils and decent maths skills]] to plot a firing solution, modern subs have computers and advanced homing torpedoes - had the [[Cold War]] turned hot after the 1960s (not before then), there certainly would have been underwater submarine battles--andbattles—and in fairness, that is when a large number of such sub battles are set (thank you, [[Tom Clancy]]!). NATO and Warsaw Pact submarines followed each other about all the time. Current American naval doctrine is to have each carrier battle group (structured around a ''Nimitz''- or ''Gerald Ford'' class supercarrier) accompanied by two [[Types of Naval Ships|nuclear attack submarines (SSN)]] which include enemy sub-killing in their tasking - these are generally known as "Hunter-Killer" submarines.
 
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* ''[[The Silent Service]]''
* ''[[Cyborg 009]]'' features a scene where the team's mobile base is being pursued separately by both an American and Soviet sub. The heroes make their getaway when the two subs notice each other and begin fighting.
* [[Blue Submarine No. 6|Blue Sub 6]]
* The final arc of the first season of ''[[Full Metal Panic!]]'' has both "war games" and actual shooting involving two submarines.
 
== [[Film]] ==
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* Another particularly brutal minisub duel occurs in the [[James Bond (film)|James Bond]] film ''[[For Your Eyes Only (film)|For Your Eyes Only]]''. The bad guy's sub was actually piloted by the man who designed it, Graham Hawkes, who, amusingly, tried so hard to make the fight scene realistic (having been ordered to by the director, despite his earlier protests it was unsafe) that he almost killed [[Roger Moore]]'s stunt double.
* ''Run Silent Run Deep'' depends on, and arguably laid the groundwork for this trope {{spoiler|since it turns out the Japanese vessel taking out American subs in the Bungo Straits is not a surface vessel, but another submarine}}.
** It is torpedoed when it is lured to the surface rather then under the surface. The original writer was a submariner himself. andHe knew perfectly well that it was pretty much impossible for one submerged submarine to torpedo another in [[World War II]].
 
== [[Literature]] ==
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* Averted in ''[[Das Boot]]'' and ''The Enemy Below''. Both of these are German U-boats versus Allied surface ships. In ''Das Boot'', the only encounter the U-Boat has with another submarine is almost colliding with one when they are both on the surface.
** And one of their own subs at that.
*** Most WWII sub movies are sub vs surface. [[Hot Sub-On-Sub Action]] is associated with postwar era. At least there [[Hollywood Tactics]] are correct.
*** Though a Japanese sub is sunk in Run Silent, Run Deep. They had to lure it to the surface, and then fire the torpedo under a ship to hit the enemy sub.
* There's a sub v. sub fight in, of all places, [[Zombie Apocalypse]] novel ''[[World War Z]]''. And no, neither sub was piloted by Zombies. If they were, this entry would be on the [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]] page.
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== [[Western Animation]] ==
* An episode of ''[[The Simpsons]]'' {{context}}
 
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