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[[File:CesareLucreziaJuan_4576.png|frame| An epic [[Sibling Rivalry]] [[Sibling Triangle|over the heart]] of... [[Brother-Sister Incest|their little sister]].]]

Shipping preferences, based on the [[Incest Subtext]] in a story.

Incest is a serious, possibly instinctive taboo among human beings--every known culture has an incest taboo, and every known culture generally finds incest disgusting. (Now, the sticking point and source of [[Values Dissonance]] is that while all these cultures agree that incest is wrong, most of them have different ideas of what constitutes incest--but further exploration of this topic is better suited to your anthropology textbook). Anyhow, despite the above, ([[Forbidden Fruit|or perhaps because of it]]), there is a significant amount of people with this fetish, [[Rule 34|and this being]] [[The Internet Is for Porn|the Internet]], they can't wait to share their [[Shipping]] theories with you.

Even with the taboo, they might have an easier job than even the [[Ho Yay]] [[Shipping|shippers]], since normal family members are often so close to each other, both physically and emotionally, that with any other partner, it would be considered erotic by anyone. Just pick up any dialogue between relatives, [[Selective Obliviousness|ignore the obvious intentions]], and Ta-da! you have subtext.

This is a subpage for fandom theories. When the same effect is actually invoked in the plot, with a particular scene, that is actual [[Incest Subtext]].

See also [[Ho Yay Shipping]] and [[Foe Yay Shipping]] for other shipping tropes that are based on fan-speculation, and [[Incest Is Relative]] page for a collection of other incest-related tropes.

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== Anime & Manga ==

* The anime for ''[[.hack|.hack//Legend of the Twilight]]'' was notorious for this to the point that it's what a lot of non-fans of the series in general tend to know it for. The manga it was based on, on the other hand, was vague about it at best.

* The number of ItachixSasuke fans in the ''[[Naruto]]'' fandom would surprise newbies, and the size of the fandom only seemed to ''increase'' {{spoiler|when Itachi died.}} Outside of NejiHina, this is '''the''' most popular incest pairing.

** Don't forget [[Kissing Cousins|Neji, Hinata]] and [[Memetic Molester|Neji's dangerous smirks]].

* In ''[[Peacemaker Kurogane]]'' Tatsunosuke's overprotectiveness over his younger brother Tetsunosuke sometimes causes this.

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** Then there are the cases in which they're [[Not Blood Related]], like England and America, or China and Japan.

** Then there's Norway and Iceland, who really ''are'' blood-related. Shipping them together actually ''increased'' somewhat after this revelation came out because it attracted shippers who liked the "forbidden" appeal of one of the few truly related pairs to be romantically involved.

* ''[[Pandora Hearts]]'': Gil's younger brother, Vincent, is [[Yandere|extremely possessive]] of him.

* ''[[Pandora Hearts]]'': Gil's younger brother, Vincent, is [[Yandere (disambiguation)|extremely possessive]] of him.

* ''[[Vampire Knight]]'' had Zero and Ichiru.

** And the {{spoiler|Kuran}} family has a history of incest, as seen in the current generation between {{spoiler|Kaname and Yuuki}} And many people do ship them.

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== Film ==

* In ''[[Repo! The Genetic Opera]]'', Luigi and Amber. Particularly the bit where she knees him in the groin and licks his ear at the same time.

** According to their brother Pavi's myspace page, ''he'' and Amber are also rather unhealthily close. And a surprising number of fans [[Foe Yay|ship Luigi and Pavi]] (or [[Portmanteau Couple Name|"Pavigi"]]).

* In a director's-cut scene from ''[[Lord of the Rings|The Two Towers]]'', a lot of what we'll call Stewardcest fangirls point for evidence to this moment that's very subtle, but oddly difficult to explain otherwise when you notice it: Denethor dismissively comments about his younger son, Faramir, "I know his uses. They are few." Now think about the implications of the word "use." And rewind and look at Boromir's expression again: It's not "Oh, dad, you're so mean," it's ''embarrassed.'' Arguably more of an Incest Eep! than an [[Incest Subtext]], depending on just how abusive you think this family is, but ... hoo ''boy.''

== Literature ==

* In ''[[Harry Potter]]'', many fans think that Bellatrix and Narcissa fit the bill for this and write extensive fanfics about it. [[Word of God]] confirmed that Bellatrix loves Voldemort above all else, some fanfics manage to get around this fact.

** Fred and George have a veritable library of slash work dedicated to them, even though [http://i29.tinypic.com/zwib29.jpg their actors are disgusted by it all].

** Ron/Ginny. Ron is quite annoyed by the fact that Ginny dates Dean and he silently interferes between her and Harry at first, but he relents later and becomes more accepting of their relationship.

** In the film version of ''The Half-Blood Prince'', while Draco is confronting Dumbledore, Bellatrix arrives on the scene, praises her nephew saying "Good boy" and kisses him on his neck!

* Some ''[[Chronicles of Narnia]]'' fans insist this about [[Ship Mates|Peter/Susan and Edmund/Lucy]] in ''[[Chronicles of Narnia]]'' just for the sake of the considerable amount of [[Fan Fiction|fanfics]]. One of the reasons may be that the first book (and movie) implies they're the only humans that live there, without mentioning the fact that there are other lands around Narnia in which reside other people.

** In the beginning of ''[[Voyage of the Dawn Treader]]'' there is this scene where Lucy sees a girl flirting with a boy, then she does the exact same gesture that girl did... in front of Edmund. This results in him frowning confused and asking her what she's doing, to which she widens her eyes and blurts 'nothing' guiltily, giving the impression that she did the gesture intentionally, for [[Incest Subtext|ambiguous purposes]]. The explanation is given later.

** In the third movie, this troper heard [[Call My Name|"Edmund!"-"Lucy!"]] so many times that the [[Titanic]] idea constantly popped in her head. [[Sarcasm Mode|The fact that most action takes place on a ship didn't really help much]].

** This case is applied to Peter and Susan as well, due to the actors' chemistry and close friendship that has been interpreted in the wrong way.

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* Merry and Pippin are first cousins and are often shipped together by ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' fans. Sometimes Frodo, more distantly related to both of them, is thrown into the mix as well. See ''[[Bag Enders]]'''s "Random Slashy Interludes" for a prime example.

** Perhaps one of the most popular pairing in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' is Maedhros/Fingon; these two share a grandfather, Finwë. As do Celegorm and Aredhel, also paired rather often. And then the house of Finwë as a whole is very popular and more generally [[Everyone Is Related]].

*** Hell, even in the ''canon'' pairings one begins to wonder if Aragorn and Arwen are actually getting off on the fact that Aragorn's ancestry is awesome because it traces to her uncle; Faramir and Eowyn are some kind of cousin, too.

*** During the First Age, there's something of a genetic bottleneck among elves in that only a few families come back to Middle-Earth, and they promptly kill a large number of the same-species mating possibilities who aren't blood kin to them. Even then, the first few ''non''-related pairings among elves tend to go horribly wrong, to the extent that ... well, you start to wonder if Tolkien was taking some kind of revenge on people like Eol who made his back-to-Valinor family trees not fit neatly on one page. Making the author himself a bit of a kissing-cousins shipper.

*** Most fanfic treats the canon [[Brother-Sister Incest|Turin/Nienor]] pairing as tragic, like the book in which they're the title characters -- but there's fanfic.

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* ''[[Havemercy]]''. Oh dear god, this book smacks of it {{spoiler|with Rook and Thom. Even worse is that you don't find out they're related for 2/3 of the book and you expect them to break out into angry sex until the revelation.}}

** Apparently, the authors' original intention was to have them [[Brother-Sister Incest|get together]], but they decided against it. YMMV on whether this is a good or bad thing.

* [[A Series of Unfortunate Events]] had a small Violet/Klaus fandom that got quite a bit larger after the release of the movie adaptation.

== Live Action TV ==

* This is referred by the ''[[Firefly]]'' fandom as "CSI" or "Crazy Space Incest".

** [[Summer Glau]]'s [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JCvpFG-Ll4&feature=related opinion on the matter at 0:35].

* Justin and Alex in ''[[Wizards of Waverly Place]]'' - the point where the pairing used to have a separate Incest Yay page, until it was sent [http://fetishfuel.wikia.com/wiki/Incest_Yay%3AWizards_of_Waverly_Place here].

* Quite common in recent ''[[Kamen Rider]]'' series. Especially ''[[Kamen Rider Kiva]]'' and its many bathing scenes. However, "Kivacest" typically refers not to Wataru and Otoya despite their ''epic'' [[Time Travel]]-enabled bath scene (with back scrubbing!) but to Wataru and {{spoiler|Taiga}}, who turns out to be his brother.

* Some members of the ''[[Supernatural]]'' fandom, known as Wincest shippers, see this between Sam and Dean Winchester.

* In ''[[Heroes (TV series)|Heroes]]'', Maya and Alejandro Herrera are twins who seem to be a little too close to each other; even their powers require physical connection. Also, Maya clearly hated Alejandro's bride, implying jealousy.

** Peter and Nathan Petrelli are brothers who are extremely close, despite an age difference of at least 13 years. There is a reason they're the most popular slash pairing in the show. Not helping is how friendly Adrian Pasdar and Milo Ventimiglia are in real life.

** Not to mention that Peter and Claire seem to be closer than one would expect of uncle and niece. This of course is largely due to [[Cast Incest|Milo and Hayden's off-screen relationship.]]

* ''[[Degrassi the Next Generation]]'' always had their fair share of brothers and sisters and occasionally there would be shippers of any [[Brother-Sister Incest]], but season nine provided fraternal twins Declan and Fiona. The subtext between them is ''so''thick that it must be intended by the writers. When Victoria, later revealed to be their cousin, brings up their closeness in the season premiere, she is simply told to shut up without being offered much correction.

* [[Dexter]] and {{spoiler|his brother Rudy/Brian.}}

** Not to mention his sister [[The Ladette|Deb]]. The fact that Michael C. Hall and Jennifer Carpenter were [[Cast Incest|married]] for a time doesn't help.

** The show runners actually tried to keep the Michael C. Hall and Jennifer Carpenter relationship quiet for a while, specifically to avoid this trope. They've clearly changed their minds, though - as of Season 6, Deb lusting after her brother is now canon. And disturbing.

* [[Parental Incest|Richard and Alexis]] in ''[[Castle]]''. In a recent Halloween episode where it looks like Alexis' long distance relationship is going down the tubes he tells her that some relationships are just fated to not work. When he asks "Did that help?" She says "No. But this does." and proceeds to cuddle with him.

* ''[[Chuck]]'' was originally intended to have an extra character in the main cast, a love interest for the titular hero. After it was decided she overcomplicated things, she was cut, and all her important lines given to Chuck's sister. The slightly flirty dialogue, coupled with the siblings' chemistry, made this stand out to more than one fan.

* When ''[[Home and Away]]'' revealed that sisters Charlie and Ruby Buckton were actually mother and daughter, one website brilliantly proclaimed that it made shipping them feel even more wrong. They even seem to have acquired their own couple portmanteau, even if it is mostly used in a familial context.

* In the remake of ''[[Hawaii Five-O]]'', Kono's affection and sympathy for her cousin Chin seems to verge on the more than cousinly.

* ''[[Glee]]'' gave us Hummelcest between Burt and Kurt Hummel, a rare example of a father/son incest. Considering that they cannot have a scene without declaring their love for each other, it shouldn't be a surprise.

** And now that Blaine has an actual blood brother who is [[Estrogen Brigade Bait|even more handsome]] than he is, we have Andercest. Not at all helped (or immensely helped, for those who [[Fetish Fuel|like this sort of thing]]) by the line "We're not just brothers, right?" said while standing with their [[Almost Kiss|faces mere inches apart]]. Oh, ''[[Glee]]''. [[Trolling Creator|One might almost suspect you do this on purpose.]]

* There's no [[Incest Subtext]] shown between [[Angel|Connor]] and his parents in the show itself, but there ''are'' fans who have written Darla/Connor and Angelus/Connor stories.

** Yeah but don't forget Angelus taunting Connor about sleeping with the woman who used to change his diapers (closest thing he had to a mother.) [[Oedipus the King|"There should be a play."]]

* [[Brother-Sister Incest]] is all but canon between Cesare and Lucrezia on [[The Borgias]] (considering that the real life Lucrezia was rumoured to be in an incestuous relationship with both Cesare ''and'' her father Rodrigo, it's pretty much fair game). Cesare is incredibly protective of his little sister, and only shows his softer side to her--claiming to love her more than God (which... is complicated when he's a [[Sinister Minister|cardinal]] of the Catholic church) and she loves him more than she could ever love a husband. Also, both find suspiciously similar [[Replacement Goldfish]] after events tear them apart.

** [[Parental Incest|Rodrigo]]/[[Daddy's Girl|Lucrezia]] and [[Sibling Rivalry|Cesare]]/[[Foe Yay|Juan]] shippers also exist in abundance.

* ''[[Frasier]]'' fandom has some Frasier/Niles shipping, otherwise known as "Cranecest".

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* [[Brother-Sister Incest/Fire Emblem|A lot]] in the ''[[Fire Emblem]]'' series. The king and queen of this trope would be [[Fire Emblem Jugdral|Eltoshan X Lachesis]]. The Prince and Princess would be [[Fire Emblem the Sacred Stones|Eirika and Ephraim]].

** Really, all but one instance of incest in the series is subtext. The one text example is {{spoiler|Alvis/Diadora}}, also from ''[[Fire Emblem Jugdral|Geneaology of the Holy War]]''.

* From ''[[Final Fantasy X 2|FFX-2]]'', we have [[Kissing Cousins|Yuna and Rikku]].

* From ''[[Final Fantasy X-2|FFX-2]]'', we have [[Kissing Cousins|Yuna and Rikku]].

** And in ''[[Final Fantasy XIII]]'', there is Lightning and Serah.

* [[Metal Gear|Solid Snake and Liquid Snake]]. It only gets worse once Liquid possesses Ocelot, who had a big gay crush on their father.

* [[Jak and Daxter|Gol and Maia]] are ''extremely'' affectionate with one another, talking to each other more like old lovers than brother and sister.

* ''[[Golden Sun]]'', oh ''[[Golden Sun]]''. The first and most obvious is Felix and Jenna, who are siblings. Then ''The Lost Age'' introduces Karst, who is absolutely ''obsessed'', easily to a [[Clingy Jealous Girl|Clingy Jealous]] [[Yandere]] degree, with her (late, by that point) older sister Menardi. Fans also like to pair up [[Foe Yay|Alex and Mia]], who were confirmed to be cousins by ''Dark Dawn''.

* ''[[Golden Sun]]'', oh ''[[Golden Sun]]''. The first and most obvious is Felix and Jenna, who are siblings. Then ''The Lost Age'' introduces Karst, who is absolutely ''obsessed'', easily to a [[Clingy Jealous Girl|Clingy Jealous]] [[Yandere (disambiguation)]] degree, with her (late, by that point) older sister Menardi. Fans also like to pair up [[Foe Yay|Alex and Mia]], who were confirmed to be cousins by ''Dark Dawn''.

** A 4koma doujinshi, ''Golden Sun Gag Battle'', has Ivan [[Power Perversion Potential|trying out his new Reveal power]] on {{spoiler|Hama and Feizhi's clothes.}} To be fair, ''Gag Battle'' was published before ''The Lost Age'' outed {{spoiler|Hama as Ivan's sister.}}

* ''[[Ace Attorney]]'' caters to this trope, but when you think about it, it's not that surprising: there's shippers for Mia/Maya, Lana/Ema, Jake/Neil, Edgeworth/Franziska (although, to be fair, [[Not Blood Siblings|they're not biologically related]]), and even {{spoiler|Apollo/Trucy}}, all of which have a fair bit of subtext to them. The two incestuous pairings that are by far the most popular in the fandom are {{spoiler|Dahlia/Iris}}, from ''Trials and Tribulations'' and Kristoph/Klavier, from ''Apollo Justice''. As always, though, your mileage may vary.

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== Western Animation ==

* ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'' always had a significant Azula/Zuko shipper fandom, but the creators surely aren't making it too difficult with [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-eWsMMJwZ4 such scenes] (appropriate music added). They have even (jokingly?) shipped Zuko's alter ego with Azula at a convention. On the flip side, Azula acts that way [[The Vamp|just about everyone]].

** ''[[The Legend of Korra]]'' has already sparked a Mako/Bolin fandom. Korra is ''usually'' in the [[~~OT 3~~|tangle]], but not always.

** ''[[The Legend of Korra]]'' has already sparked a Mako/Bolin fandom. Korra is ''usually'' in the [[OT3|tangle]], but not always.

* Yin and Yang from ''[[Yin Yang Yo!|Yin Yang Yo]]'' have a lot of this going on, especially since they're, you know, [[Opposites Attract|opposites]].

* For a while pairing the title characters of ''[[Phineas and Ferb]]'' seemed to be the most popular ship, though that's ''mostly'' died down since then. Technically they're [[Not Blood Siblings|stepbrothers]], but they qualify since they refer to each other as "brothers" and have known each other since they were toddlers. Pairing one of them with their older sister Candace (biological for Phineas) is rarer but still done.

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* ''[[The Amazing Chan and The Chan Clan]]'' has almost no fandom and was made long before the internet and Rule34, but Tom still manages to have a few [http://sarajaye.superbusnet.com/Pictures/inabarrell.PNG choice] [http://sarajaye.superbusnet.com/Pictures/look.PNG moments] with Alan ''and'' have a dynamic with [http://sarajaye.superbusnet.com/Pictures/flirtylookidk.PNG Anne] that sometimes screams "they'd be strongly hinted at as a couple if they weren't siblings".

* In ''[[Rugrats]]'' and ''[[All Grown Up]]'' some people [[Ship]] Chuckie and Kimi together. At least they are only step brother and step sister.

** ''Any'' shipping between the Rugrats is vaguely squicky. Having known each other since they were infants, [[wikipedia:Westermark effect|the Westermarck effect]] should be in full force.

* Papa Smurf and Smurfette in ''[[The Smurfs]]'', while not biologically related, get constantly shipped together in this fashion. It doesn't really help that [[Ephebophile|Papa Smurf even has]] [[Pervert Dad|that type of interest in Smurfette]].

* Cousins Ben and Gwen from ''[[Ben 10]]''.