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* So does Dedede actually rule over anywhere?

** In Brawl, Roy Campbell actually points out, "He's the ruler of Dream Land, or so he says".

*** Like the [[Homestar Runner|King Of Town]]?

**** Kind of, except Kirby's the one known for non-stop eating.

***** No, Dedede's a worse glutton than Kirby. Remember, the plot of the very first Kirby game was Dedede stealing all the food on the entire planet as "taxes" so he could have a ginormous picnic. He pretty much is the King of Town.

** Maybe whether or not Dedede is a king is for you to decide, kind of like a [[Noodle Incident]].

** I personally believe that King Dedede commands the loyalty of his Waddle Dee army by giving them food, and all his other kingly flairs come naturally from this - they helped build his castle, spread his "rule" throughout the land by sheer numbers, etc. etc. - But it's pretty clear that he's not Dream Land's king in any sense of the word, as his Melee trophy outright states that he performs no administrative duties whatsoever. The peaceful Dream Land probably has no need for a ruler and its citizens just oblige Dedede's delusion to keep on his good side.

* Is anyone else kind of annoyed by how some people think ''every'' single villain in the series is some subsidiary of the Dark Matter? I understand that yes, Zero/02 is pretty much the biggest evil in that universe, but not ''everything'' was caused by him. We have the villains who were obviously part of the Dark Matter: that singular swordsman Dark Matter in KDL2, the Dark Matter drone and Zero in KDL3, and then 02 in K64. They're the definite ones. Then there's Drawcia, who made a deal with Zero to give herself power, and then when Kirby defeated her, Zero decided "fuck it" and took over for a moment to have another shot at Kirby. That's canon too. Here we move into the slightly dubious ones, like Dark Mind and Dark Nebula. Dark Mind is probably the Mirror World counterpart of Zero, so that makes sense, and Dark Nebula could be some offshoot of the Dark Matter? But that's it! It gets really annoying when people try to claim that villains like ''Marx'' are part of the Dark Matter. There's no link between them whatsoever, and it's the same with Magolor. He wasn't possessed by Dark Matter, he was possessed by the ''Crown,'' and it was puppeting his body. Is anyone else irked by that?

** Nightmare is also not connected, but equally annoying is that the show made Dark Matter Nightmare's minion, [[Mooks|a throwaway minion]]! Marx is not connected and it is strange people try. Super Star was better received in sales and reviews than the Dark Matter trilogy but Dark Matter to Zero 2 are the most nightmarish monsters to be bosses, and a subsection of the fandom is always gushing about Kirby defeating nightmarish abominations. Maybe they try to tie Dark Matter/Zero into everything to justify is status as a monster worth gushing about? It would probably be better if Dark Matter had a proper return and more villains were designed to stand alone, unconnected to it. Drawcia, Dark Nebula and Dark Mind kind of rob Dark Matter of its mystique.

* Was Meta Knight under the influence of Dark Matter during the ''Revenge of Meta Knight'' storyline in Kirby Super Star or he's just actually evil?

*** It was never stated anywhere that Dedede rules Dreamland or that he has any sort of political power. Going by his description on Smash Bros.com, his "rule" is probably all in his head. That, or no one takes his rule seriously.

** He's just a [[Grumpy Bear]].

*** This troper thinks that Meta Knight is the only one that takes seriously the threat posed by all the nightmarish that lurk in the setting, and he is desperately trying to rouse the [[Sugar Bowl]] inhabitants into doing something about it, hence his decision to hide his [[Sugar Bowl]] appearance behind a darker and grittier mask.

** This troper (mariic) points out that in the Japanese version, he mentions something about corruption, which probably means that he's trying to stop Dedede from making another boneheaded mistake (again, for like the 1,000,000th time).

** [[Berserk Button|The Squeaks should have known to never fuck with Kirby when it involves food.]]

*** This is KIRBY we're talking about! They don't die. They turn into magical stars and go to another dimension with lots of candy.

** He could always go get another slice of cake, true, but if he hunted down his original cake first, he would then have TWO cakes.

* Related to the above: In Kirby Squeak Squad, WHY THE HECK COULD HE NOT GO GET ANOTHER SLICE OF CAKE?! Surely it couldn't be the only slice of strawberry shortcake in the whole of Pop Star? Sheesh, Kirby!

** Well, have you ever seen another slice of strawberry shortcake as any health pickups in any of the other games?

** Clearly it must have been homemade. Nobody messes with Kirby's Homemade strawberry shortcake.

** Because if he let those mice get away, it would set a bad example. What next? People will start borrowing his cans of pop. Someone will make a sandwich with his bread. Things will continue on in this vein until someone makes spaghetti sauce with his Maxim Tomatoes. And woe for existence on that day, for Kirby will decide that any universe that steals his food is no longer worthy of existence, and consume it all. Dedede 12:17.

** [[Darker and Edgier|GRIMDARK Kirby?]]

** Silly troper, cuteness is for Japan!

* In the Meta Knightmare section of KSSU, why does he blow up his own damn ship? Just because he wants to prove he's just as good as that goddamned marshmallow boy?

** Meta Knight is just that hardcore. And possibly GRIMDARK.

** How much food can you fit into your mouth before you instinctively swallow it? I guess we know Kirby's limit now.

** Plus you saw the inside of his stomach, there are freaking STARS in there, maybe if it gets knocked away too far it'll be lost in his stomach-verse forever and he won't be able to reach it.

** Kirby poops stars. You just can't see it with the low-resolution sprites.

*** Which begs the question of what Popstar REALLY is......

* What's with all the [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]] also known as final bosses? Zero Two and Dark Matter were probably the most creepy ones, with Drawcia being a close second.

** I know, isn't it awesome?... As a more serious answer, doesn't it make sense that the [[Big Bad|Big Bads]] of [[Dream Land]] represent nightmares and all that is evil?

** A thick and reflective atmosphere, maybe? It could work in reverse to why we see the sky blue, when space is actually pitch black(as seen on the Moon).

*** That might work, but you'd also have to explain why the sky looks blue from the ground.

* Zero. A boss that cries [[Tears of Blood]] whenever hit in the eye in ''Kirby 64''. Even worse, in his original appearance in ''Kirby's Dream Land 3'', it actually cuts itself to shoot blood as a projectile weapon and when out of HP, its bloody iris pops out of its eye in a last-ditch attempt to take you down. How the hell did those scenes not only still get the games an E and K-A rating respectively, but also get by Nintendo of America's [[Bowdlerization]] practices back in the day?

** Clearly the censors couldn't bring themselves to 100% the game and get to said secret bosses.

** Or Kirby games are just automatically rated "E."

** Source Please

* So... are those red things Kirby's feet, or are they cute little booties?

** Presumably they're his feet.

* A mystery that's been present in most of the games... Why ''does'' Meta Knight wear that mask? To be grimdark? To say, 'Screw you [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]], I can be even more badass than you!'?

** [[Badass|That's]] [[Rule of Cool|exactly]] [[Cool Mask|why.]]

** Kirby's got a near-instinct to defeat [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]]. Unfortunately, that translated into his clone.

** It's implied that the Mirror World isn't naturally evil. The real question is why Dark Meta Knight is so mean compared to Dream Land's Meta Knight. Possessed by Dark Mind? Chose a darker path because of natural variations between the parallel universes? Or was the one we fought just a creation of Dark Mind, and the real mirror Meta Knight was somewhere doing something else?

** Perhaps he was cold that day, and it was an extra cape on top of his wing cape?

** Meta Knight's wings sprout from his back (from the looks of it) when he chases you at the end of Revenge of Meta Knight, and he doesn't wear a cape in Meta Knightmare Ultra, so my guess is his wings are a part of his body and are retractable.

 

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