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{{Useful Notes}}
 
{{Cleanup|The current division of examples into "Ancient fictional titled people" (one example) and "Modern fictional titled people" (all of the other examples) does not work, especially considering the futuristic/science-fiction examples are lumped in with the modern examples. The examples need to be sorted into the usual All The Tropes categories: Advertising, Anime and Manga, Comic Books, etc. Also, either the examples that do not relate to ''British'' honours need to be moved to a different page, or this page needs to be completely re-written to be about all countries' honours.}}
{{quote|'''Hacker:''' What has Sir Arnold to fear, anyway? He's got all the honours he could want, surely.
'''Bernard:''' Well, naturally he has his 'G'.
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'''[[Blue Blood|Hereditary Peerages]]''' (all titles have female equivalents):
* Duke (Duchess): The highest title of the lot. Address as "Your Grace" when you are talking to him. Prince Philip iswas the Duke of Edinburgh. Of course Prince Philip iswas a Royal Duke, which is to say a prince of the [[Royal Blood|Royal family]] who holds a ducal title. There are non-Royal dukes also, who feature lower in the pecking order. The overwhelming majority of Dukes (2523 of 3130, as of FebruaryOctober 20192021) are non-royal.
** Parodied by [[Mark Twain]] in the story of ''The Million Pound Banknote'' where the owner of the note becomes so famous that the Times reports his doings above those of "Any duke not royal".
** The Grace bit is mentioned in ''[[Blackadder the Third]]''. Prince George in disguise calls the Duke of Wellington 'My Lord', who then proceeds to correct him with a blow to the head.
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** Motion is hereby put that the cartoon character Bartholomew J Simpson be created baronet just so that he gets to sign his name "Sir Bart Bart."
** In [[Gilbert and Sullivan]]'s Ruddigore, the main character, "The Bad Baronet of Ruddigore," is called a "Bad Bart" by himself and others quite often.
*** This is referenced in one episode in ''[[The Simpsons (Animationanimation)|The Simpsons]]''{{'}} fifth season, when the self-help guru ask Bart what his name is, the response is "Ruddigore, sir!"
 
'''Knights for Life''' (in most cases - it is possible to get stripped of a knighthood, like Anthony Blunt was when it became known he was one of the Cambridge Five group of Soviet moles or more recently Robert Mugabe for general oppressiveness)
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** Judith Anderson was credited as "Dame Judith Anderson" in ''[[Star Trek III: The Search For Spock]]''
** [[Julian Fellowes]] got a full peerage.
* Be a hugely popular and very long-lasting pop music phenomenon: Sir Cliff Richard, Sir [[ThePaul Beatles|PaulMcCartneyMcCartney]],<ref>All Beatles earned MBEs, but only Paul was knighted</ref> Dame [[Vera Lynn]], Sir [[Elton John]], Sir [[The Rolling Stones|Mick Jagger]], Sir [[Tom Jones]], Dame [[Shirley Bassey]]... You won't find any of them using their title on an album cover except the latter, who is apparently subject to Ben Kingsley Syndrome: she must at all times be referred to as "Dame Shirley" or more puzzlingly "The Dame" (which seems to be approximately a case of confusing a damehood with a peerage: a man calling himself "the Knight" would sound very weird, wouldn't it?) - most [[egregious]]ly her [http://www.dameshirleybassey.com/ website] not only uses "DSB" as her initials now, but has listed The Dame appearing alongside "Elton John" [[Double Standard|shorn of his equivalent 'Sir']].
* Sell ''a lot'' of computer programs, in the case of William S. Gates III, OBE, former CEO of Microsoft.
* Give the government or governing party a lot of money. Baronetcies were originally always purchased. Even without direct payment, rich people were always more likely to receive any honour, partly because some honours required the holder to live in a certain way (knights, for instance, were originally military officers who had to afford a horse, armor, grooms, servants, etc.) and because poor people wouldn't be able to do any of the things that would bring them to the sovereign's attention. (To be fair, they wouldn't likely be interested in doing any of those things either, since the attitude of the poor of the time was that it was best to keep one's head down and not be noticed.) Officially the grant of titles or honours in exchange for donations to the government, political parties or individuals has been illegal since the Honours (Prevention of Abuses) Act 1925, which was introduced after a major scandal involving the near-open sale of titles by [[David Lloyd George]]'s Liberal administration. However, there have been strong public and media suspicions about the number of party donors who have been granted honours by both Labour and Conservative governments in the last thirty years or so. Pissing away vast quantities of money, oddly enough, can work (Sir Fred Goodwin), [http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/news/goodwin-knighthood-decision but only temporarily.]
* Be a [[Teen Genius|Teenage Girl]] who sails around the world in a yacht. Jessica Watson won the [[Awesome Aussie|Order of Australia]] by doing this at the age of 16. She is not quite a Dame (the Order of Australia has several levels), but she is not to be sneezed at.
* Buy/own literally any amount of land in Scotland, no matter how small. By Scottish law and custom you are then a lord (or lady).
* Throw (surprisingly little) money at a micronation like the [https://sealandgov.org/ Principality of Sealand].
* Have an ancestor who signed on with the right faction in a [[Succession Crisis]].
* Have an ancestor who was a rich commoner when there were [[Wars of the Roses|no nobles left alive]] to compete for disputed estates.
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* By being the King's drinking buddy. Charles II handed them out like candy. The Georges weren't much better, except that with George III they were more like tea-drinking buddies.
* Be eaten by a King who really likes his steak (according to an unlikely but charming legend, one King was impressed enough with his meal to dub it ''Sir'' loin).
 
{{noreallife|we'd be here all day. [[The Other Wiki]] does a better job of keeping track of these people, anyway.}}
 
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== Ancient fictionalEnglish or Scottish honoured titledcharacters people:==
=== Oral Tradition, Myths and Legends ===
* Any number of the [[King Arthur|Knights of the Round Table]].
 
== Modern fictionalBritish honoured titledcharacters people:==
=== Anime and Manga ===
* Sir Integral Fairbrook Wingates ''[[Hellsing]]''
 
=== Comic Books ===
* Not really a "person", but [[Mirror Universe|Soundwave]] was knighted for his heroic deeds in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass]]''.
 
=== Film ===
* Sir Miles Axelrod and {{spoiler|Sir Tow Mater}} from ''[[Cars 2]]''.
 
=== Literature ===
* Jack Ryan from the [[Tom Clancy]] books.
* {{spoiler|Sir Harry Pearce}} from ''[[Spooks]]''.
* [[Flashman|Brigadier-General Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC KCB KCIE]].
* Sir Integral Fairbrook Wingates ''[[Hellsing]]''
* [[Yes Minister|Sir Humphrey Appleby]]
* [[The Brigadier]] from ''[[Doctor Who]]'' and ''[[The Sarah Jane Adventures]]'' was knighted off-screen by ''Doctor Who''{{'}}s fourth series, so is now Brigadier Sir Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart.
** The Doctor and Rose get accoladed by Victoria as "Sir Doctor of TARDIS" and "Dame Rose of the Powell Estate" in "Tooth and Claw". Then they are 'invited' to leave the country. The late owner of Torchwood House in that episode was Sir Robert MacLeish, who was the son of a knight that conspired with Prince Albert to fight the werewolf.
** Sir Robert was presumably a baronet if his father was also a "sir".
** Technically, the title "Sir Doctor of TARDIS" is a misnomer because that's not how Victorian knighthoods worked. Mediaevel knighthoods would have worked like that (e.g. Sir Godfrey of Bouillon) but knighthoods (and baronetcies) then and now would be "Sir First-name Surname" (e.g. Sir Hugh Gough, later Viscount Gough). The only way that would work is if the Doctor were a Scottish baronet where their titles are "Sir First-name Surname of Place-name" (e.g. Sir Archibald Grant of Monymusk). Really he should be "Sir Doctor" as he has no apparent first name (or surname for that matter).
** Ian Chesterton is knighted Sir Ian of Jaffa in ''The Crusade''.
* Sir Joseph Porter KCB, First Lord of the Admiralty in [[Gilbert and Sullivan]]'s ''[[H.M.S. Pinafore]]''.
* Lady Lara Croft, of the ''[[Tomb Raider]]'' games, a hereditary title. There was a letters column discussion in ''[[Private Eye]]'' over whether she is the Countess of Abingdon.
* Commander [[James Bond]] CMG, RNVR.
** He is offered a knighthood at the end of the novel of ''[[The Man with the Golden Gun]]'' - he declines.
* [[Sherlock Holmes]] declined a knighthood after a [[Noodle Incident]], mentioned in "The Adventure of the Three Garridebs".
** In the BBC television adaption, Sherlock makes a comment that the government "threatened me with a knighthood. Again." after he solves a serial murder case.
* Sir [[Babylon 5|G'Kar]] of a new Round Table, though the [[King Arthur]] who knighted him was [[Napoleon Delusion|not entirely kosher]].
* Admiral Sir [[Wing Commander (video game)|Geoffrey Tolwyn]], though the specifics aren't given.
* [[Lord Peter Wimsey]] is second son of the 15th Duke of Denver. His brother is the 16th Duke, his brother's wife is the Duchess of Denver, their son is the Viscount St George (a courtesy title), and his mother is referred to as the Dowager Duchess. Wimsey's "Lord" is properly a "style", not a title of any kind. (Word of God has it that Lord St.George joined the RAF in WWII and was killed, and that Peter became the 17th Duke; presumably his son Bredon is now the 18th Duke, although he'd be rather old.)
 
=== Live-Action TV ===
* {{spoiler|Sir Harry Pearce}} from ''[[Spooks]]''.
* ''[[Yes Minister]]''{{'}}s Sir Humphrey Appleby and other senior civil servants in the same setting, as discussed in the page quote.
* [[The Brigadier]] from ''[[Doctor Who]]'' and ''[[The Sarah Jane Adventures]]'' was knighted off-screen by ''Doctor Who''{{'}}s fourth series, so is now Brigadier Sir Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart.
** The Doctor and Rose get accoladed by Victoria as "Sir Doctor of TARDIS" and "Dame Rose of the Powell Estate" in "Tooth and Claw". Then they are 'invited' to leave the country. The late owner of Torchwood House in that episode was Sir Robert MacLeish, who was the son of a knight that conspired with Prince Albert to fight the werewolf.
** Sir Robert was presumably a baronet if his father was also a "sir".
** Technically, the title "Sir Doctor of TARDIS" is a misnomer because that's not how Victorian knighthoods worked. Mediaevel knighthoods would have worked like that (e.g. Sir Godfrey of Bouillon) but knighthoods (and baronetcies) then and now would be "Sir First-name Surname" (e.g. Sir Hugh Gough, later Viscount Gough). The only way that would work is if the Doctor were a Scottish baronet where their titles are "Sir First-name Surname of Place-name" (e.g. Sir Archibald Grant of Monymusk). Really he should be "Sir Doctor" as he has no apparent first name (or surname for that matter).
** Ian Chesterton is knighted Sir Ian of Jaffa in ''The Crusade''.
* [[Inspector Lynley|Detective Inspector Thomas Lynley, Lord Asherton]] (he's the eighth Earl of Asherton).
** His wife Helen {{spoiler|was}} Helen Lynley, Lady Asherton (and can also be referred to as the Countess of Asherton).
* ''[[Downton Abbey]]'' is about Robert Crawley, Earl of Grantham (Lord Grantham) and his family. His wife Cora is the Countess of Grantham (Lady Grantham), his mother is the Dowager Countess (also known as Lady Grantham), and his daughters are all known as 'Lady' (Lady Mary, Lady Edith, and Lady Sybil). The courtesy title that would the eldest son would hold if there was one would be Viscount Downton (Lord Downton). Several other titles also feature. The highest-ranking nobleman to appear is his Grace the Duke of Crowborough (who would never be referred to as 'Lord Crowborough'), but there is also the Marquess of Flintshire (Lord Flintshire) and his wife the Marchioness (Lady Flintshire, Lord Grantham's cousin). There are also two 'sirs': Sir Anthony Strallan (who may be a baronet and his deceased wife was Lady Strallan) and Sir Richard Carlisle (who is definatelydefinitely not a baronet; and if Lady Mary married him, she would still Lady Mary Carlisle rather than just Lady Carlisle because her already-existing courtesy title holds precedence).
* [[Halo|Fleet Admiral Lord Terrence Hood]]. No specifics provided but we can assume he's the latest Viscount Hood, in which case he's following the [[wikipedia:Samuel Hood, 1st Viscount Hood|family tradition]]
 
* [http://irregularwebcomic.net/1347.html The Honourable Sir Schliemannian Chair Professor Doctor Doctor Jones, CBE, DCM, JP, FRS] from [[Irregular Webcomic]]
=== Theatre ===
* Sir Miles Axelrod and {{spoiler|Sir Tow Mater}} from ''[[Cars 2]]''.
* Sir Joseph Porter KCB, First Lord of the Admiralty in [[Gilbert and Sullivan]]'s ''[[H.M.S. Pinafore]]''.
* Most Britannians in ''[[Code Geass]]''.
 
* ''[[Downton Abbey]]'' is about Robert Crawley, Earl of Grantham (Lord Grantham) and his family. His wife Cora is the Countess of Grantham (Lady Grantham), his mother is the Dowager Countess (also known as Lady Grantham), and his daughters are all known as 'Lady' (Lady Mary, Lady Edith, and Lady Sybil). The courtesy title that would the eldest son would hold if there was one would be Viscount Downton (Lord Downton). Several other titles also feature. The highest-ranking nobleman to appear is his Grace the Duke of Crowborough (who would never be referred to as 'Lord Crowborough'), but there is also the Marquess of Flintshire (Lord Flintshire) and his wife the Marchioness (Lady Flintshire, Lord Grantham's cousin). There are also two 'sirs': Sir Anthony Strallan (who may be a baronet and his deceased wife was Lady Strallan) and Sir Richard Carlisle (who is definately not a baronet; and if Lady Mary married him, she would still Lady Mary Carlisle rather than just Lady Carlisle because her already-existing courtesy title holds precedence).
=== Video Games ===
* Not really a "person", but [[Mirror Universe|Soundwave]] was knighted for his heroic deeds in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass]]''.
* Lady Lara Croft, of the ''[[Tomb Raider]]'' games, a hereditary title. There was a letters column discussion in ''[[Private Eye]]'' over whether she is the Countess of Abingdon.
* Admiral Sir Geoffrey Tolwyn from ''[[Wing Commander (video game)|GeoffreyWing TolwynCommander]]'', though the specifics aren't given.
* ''[[Halo|]]''{{'}}s Fleet Admiral Lord Terrence Hood]]. No specifics provided but we can assume he's the latest Viscount Hood, in which case he's following the [[wikipedia:Samuel Hood, 1st Viscount Hood|family tradition]]
 
=== Web Comics ===
* [http://irregularwebcomic.net/1347.html The Honourable Sir Schliemannian Chair Professor Doctor Doctor Jones, CBE, DCM, JP, FRS] from ''[[Irregular Webcomic]]''
 
=== Web Original ===
* [[The Spiffing Brit]] has ''bought'' several [https://sealandgov.org/buy-noble-titles/ noble titles] from [[w:Principality of Sealand|the Principality of Sealand]] (which follows British usage), usually as a strange incentive for viewers to add "likes" to his videos. And as part of an early 2021 video he has [https://www.establishedtitles.com/ acquired several square feet of land in Scotland], which by Scottish law and custom actually makes him a lord.
 
== Analogous (not English/Scottish or British) honoured characters ==
=== Anime and Manga ===
* Most Britannians in ''[[Code Geass]]''.{{verify}}
 
=== Literature ===
* [[Honor Harrington]] got the title of Duchess to give her enough local status to attend parties on her homeworld at roughly the level that she would at an allied planet where she [[Going Native|went native]] and which had a different system. She very much earned the title of Dame in battle. White Haven is her husband's estate toward the end of her career. All that is relevant as the Manticoran aristocracy resembles the British one except in the time of writing it still has political teeth (that is a noble can serve on cabinet, and resigning from the Lords to run in Commons was an interesting gambit but not a politically necessary one as it is in [[Real Life]] Britain).
 
=== Live-Action TV ===
* Sir [[Babylon 5|G'Kar]] of a new Round Table, though the [[King Arthur]] who knighted him was [[Napoleon Delusion|not entirely kosher]].
 
=== [[Tabletop Games]] ===
* In ''[[GURPS]] [[Traveller]]'' the volume ''Nobles'' details the system of Nobility of the Third Imperium. The titles are for the most part drawn from the British system. One quirk is that the duties are separated from the fiefdoms (a Baron is effectively hereditary mediator between a single planet and the Emperor but this fief is not his planet; in even higher grades, the fief is likely to be far away from the world where their duties take place). The fief is officially given to provide expenses for the noble life, and unofficially to provide a hostage for the Noble's behavior, and is traditionally a landed estate but may take another form. It is to be noted that there are several levels of nobility, including "honor" nobility who got it for achievement, "rank" nobility to adjust the level of precedence of Imperial military or civil servants, and "high" nobility who are actually a type of satrap or as has been said a mediator with the public of a given planet or group of planets.
**As the Imperium is [[The Federation|decentralized]] and has planets who were acquired by willing annexation, conquest, colonization or some combination thereof some planets have local systems of nobility some of which existed even before the Imperium. If there is likely to be confusion between titles the adjective "parochial" is placed on (I.E. it is illegal to have a planetary ruler be an Emperor for obvious reasons but he can be a "parochial emperor").
 
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