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== [[Tabletop Games]] ==▼
▲== Tabletop Games ==
* An old adage in tabletop [[RPG]]s, and similar to this trope, is "If you stat it, they will kill it." This is probably a take-off of the ''[[Predator]]'' quote, "If it bleeds, we can kill it."
** This may be why various RPGs avoid statting certain characters. For instance, ''[[Spirit of the Century]]'' gives only a few ballpark skills for Dr. Methusala, but only as a last resort. GMs are encouraged to treat him as an event, rather than a character.
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* In [[GURPS]], [[Shaped Like Itself|it is impossible to kill anything with Unkillable 2 or 3.]] However, even if the GM gives an NPC one of these traits, player can still attempt to do any number of other nasty things to it, like mind controlling it or chopping off its arms, which kind of exemplifies this trope.
== [[Video Games]] ==
=== Fighting Games ===
* In [[Soul Calibur]] III, the subboss Ceres is supposed to be unbeatable (you are told to endure the battle until time runs out without getting killed) but it is possible to beat Ceres if you attack very quickly and break his guard. Probably because the game designers didn't intend you to beat him, nothing special happens after you do.
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* ''[[City of Heroes]]'' had the Hamidon, a giant blob monster, which was similarly very difficult to kill. For the first year or so, players kept coming up with strategies only to have the Devs change the rules. Eventually the players found an "acceptable" strategy and raiding began in earnest.
** ''[[City of Heroes|CoH]]'' also had Reichsman, who was supposed to be completely invincible... however, when he first came out, he was still susceptible to Sleep abilities, which, while not killing him, completely mitigated him. Also, later on in the same set of missions, you get the means to defeat him... which you can keep, then do the story over again, and use the same weapons to defeat him when you're supposed to be helpless against him!
** The Rikti Invasion events in ''City of Heroes'' featured dropships, which the dev team made virtually unkillable, with oodles of hit points, powerful attacks, and a tendency to simply fly away and escape before anybody can kill
* In ''[[Champions Online]]'', Justiciar in Canada is positioned dangerously close to a pair of explosive barrels which respawn. So long as no one's Nemesis minions show up to draw him into combat (and thus full heal him when he returns to his default position), a persistent player can kill him with the explosive damage from the barrels.
** Another instance of this were statues in one of the endgame lairs. These statues were immune to all damage types, and shot lasers out of their eyes when approached, which the player had to use a mirror to reflect back at the statue to destroy it to progress through the lair. However, characters who had [[Counter Attack|Parry]] could actually guard to ''penetrate the statue's immunity to normal damage'', allowing players to bypass complex mirror puzzles by just waiting in front of statues while blocking.
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* In the last level of ''[[Nethack]]'', a player will meet the [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Riders Riders], three immortal beings who, when killed, will always rise from the dead again. There are only two known ways to dispose of them permanently: kill them, and fill the level entirely with monsters so they have nowhere to reappear, or turn them into green slime. Neither is considered a bug, although most players consider them much more of a hassle than simply finishing the game.
** Amusingly, it's also possible to level-drain two of the three until they become weak enough to enslave with Charm Monster. ''Now'' you're playing with power!
** Some players like to take this to the next level, and kill entire ''species''. This is easy for most monsters, as almost any monster that is created 120 times<ref>3 for the Erinyes, 9 for the [[The Lord of the Rings|Naz'gul]], and never for the Keystone Kops</ref> is considered extinct by the game, and will never be randomly generated again. You'd think this wouldn't apply to unique monsters—by definition, they are created only once, yes? But in fact, a monster that is brought back somehow counts as a new monster for extinction purposes. [[Taken for Granite|Stoning]] and unstoning a monster counts. For monsters that resist stoning, a wand of undead turning will resurrect the monster. For those few stone-resistant monsters that leave no corpse, an [[Auto Revive|Amulet of Life Saving]] will also increase the extinction counter.<ref>gathering 120 of an already-rare item for each unique monster is an exercise in madness, but can be done-- by invoking [[Debug Mode|Wizard Mode]], if nothing else</ref> But there is one monster, [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Juiblex Juiblex], who is unique, stone-resistant, leaves no corpse, ''and'' will never pick up an amulet, and thus cannot be made extinct. But even he can be killed again, just the one extra time, if he randomly spawned with the amulet in his inventory.
** In earlier versions, it was possible to [[Sealed Evil in a Can|tin Death.]] Eating him had the [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|expected result.]] (With the bonus of having a Hall of Fame scoring: approximately, "[[One-Hit Kill|Died by eating Death]]".
** [[Nethack]] also gives us the [[Mailer Daemon|Mail Daemon]], who appears and disappears within the span of one turn and, therefore, can't normally be interacted with at all, much less killed. So, naturally, sufficiently [[Crazy Prepared]] players have found a way to kill it, [[The Dev Team Thinks of Everything|preventing further messages from being delivered]]; to do this, the player needs to {{spoiler|stone-to-flesh a statue of a mail daemon, which is not something that occurs naturally but needs to be wished for, and to be prepared to kill the resulting daemon in one turn as it otherwise disappears with a cry of "I'm late!"}}.
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