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** Further, the hardest defeat so far, 100 skeletons versus a full Grand Frigate of top players, had one of the [[Game Master]]s fighting on the Black Ship, for full Lord British Postulate goodness, no less!
** Further, the hardest defeat so far, 100 skeletons versus a full Grand Frigate of top players, had one of the [[Game Master]]s fighting on the Black Ship, for full Lord British Postulate goodness, no less!
** They are mostly beaten through boarding and stalling.
** They are mostly beaten through boarding and stalling.
* In the MMORPG ''[[Runescape]]'', one update brought a seemingly invincible enemy called the Vyrewatch. They've got a combat level, so they must be killable somehow, right? Someone went to the trouble of getting one to attack him while a group of friends dropped him rings of recoil and massive amounts of food. Eventually, the Vyrewatch died, with no death animation and no drops, proving that they really were intended to be invincible.
* In the MMORPG ''[[RuneScape]]'', one update brought a seemingly invincible enemy called the Vyrewatch. They've got a combat level, so they must be killable somehow, right? Someone went to the trouble of getting one to attack him while a group of friends dropped him rings of recoil and massive amounts of food. Eventually, the Vyrewatch died, with no death animation and no drops, proving that they really were intended to be invincible.
** They're now killable if you use a weapon you get from the Legacy of Seergaze Quest.
** They're now killable if you use a weapon you get from the Legacy of Seergaze Quest.
** And likewise, Runescape used to(?) have random events that would punish you if you were botting or doing nothing but practicing a gathering profession for hours-on-end. River trolls would attack fishers, wood spirits would attack woodcutters, and golems would attack miners. They were intended to be invincible to kill the player and force them to drop all their items (thus punishing botters) but people would actually turn around and kill their attacker, which would often drop something (But nothing ''really'' good, mostly bones or something like a fishing net that you likely already have or don't need)
** And likewise, Runescape used to(?) have random events that would punish you if you were botting or doing nothing but practicing a gathering profession for hours-on-end. River trolls would attack fishers, wood spirits would attack woodcutters, and golems would attack miners. They were intended to be invincible to kill the player and force them to drop all their items (thus punishing botters) but people would actually turn around and kill their attacker, which would often drop something (But nothing ''really'' good, mostly bones or something like a fishing net that you likely already have or don't need)
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** Note that 65535 is obviously 2^16-1, and so is likely the maximum possible health the technical limits would allow the devs to give him.
** Note that 65535 is obviously 2^16-1, and so is likely the maximum possible health the technical limits would allow the devs to give him.
** Also note that PC damage is capped at 9999, and the party limit is 4. At that point, it's ''quite impossible'' to deal more than 39996 damage in a round, then he full-heals. (In reality, that 39996 is more akin to, say, 400.)
** Also note that PC damage is capped at 9999, and the party limit is 4. At that point, it's ''quite impossible'' to deal more than 39996 damage in a round, then he full-heals. (In reality, that 39996 is more akin to, say, 400.)
* In ''[[Earthbound]],'' Giygas is supposed to be killable through one means and one means only: Paula's "Pray" command. While he does have a "real" HP value, calculational trickery otherwise keeps him alive. However, in the [[Game Boy Advance]] [[Compilation Rerelease]], using a Viper on Giygas can poison him... and the poison will eventually kill him. On the other hand, since the battle wasn't ended the scripted way, glitchery ensues and you end up in a world preconfigured for the game's ending... an ending which won't happen now.
* In ''[[EarthBound]],'' Giygas is supposed to be killable through one means and one means only: Paula's "Pray" command. While he does have a "real" HP value, calculational trickery otherwise keeps him alive. However, in the [[Game Boy Advance]] [[Compilation Rerelease]], using a Viper on Giygas can poison him... and the poison will eventually kill him. On the other hand, since the battle wasn't ended the scripted way, glitchery ensues and you end up in a world preconfigured for the game's ending... an ending which won't happen now.
** Master Belch is immune to damage of any kind until you use the Fly Honey on him. However, the Hungry HP-Sucker doesn't ''count'' as damage, because it's a draining effect. It's possible to kill him the long way by exploiting his vulnerability to status effects and drawing his hit points out the long way.
** Master Belch is immune to damage of any kind until you use the Fly Honey on him. However, the Hungry HP-Sucker doesn't ''count'' as damage, because it's a draining effect. It's possible to kill him the long way by exploiting his vulnerability to status effects and drawing his hit points out the long way.
** In ''[[Mother 3]]'', the only way to kill the [[Bonus Boss]] Pig King Statue is supposed to be with either a lucky shot of [[One-Hit Kill|PK Flash]], or use the [[HP to One|New Year's Eve Bomb]]. He has ''[[Beyond the Impossible|100 million HP]]'' otherwise, and regularly hits you for more HP than you probably have. It's just not possible to beat him conventionally without cheat codes, if only because, at the end of the day, long after you've run out of [[Mana|PP]] and healing items, he still has ''99,000,000 HP left to go''. It's a numbers game and his are just far, ''far'', '''far''' superior to yours. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oNvzRrTthA That hasn't stopped people from trying, though.] Problem is, for the people strong enough to go the distance, it turns out he has another dirty trick: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgi2jHPSihc freezing the game.] He hadn't even worn down all 99,999,999 HP—according to a comment, it was somewhere around 2 million.
** In ''[[Mother 3]]'', the only way to kill the [[Bonus Boss]] Pig King Statue is supposed to be with either a lucky shot of [[One-Hit Kill|PK Flash]], or use the [[HP to One|New Year's Eve Bomb]]. He has ''[[Beyond the Impossible|100 million HP]]'' otherwise, and regularly hits you for more HP than you probably have. It's just not possible to beat him conventionally without cheat codes, if only because, at the end of the day, long after you've run out of [[Mana|PP]] and healing items, he still has ''99,000,000 HP left to go''. It's a numbers game and his are just far, ''far'', '''far''' superior to yours. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oNvzRrTthA That hasn't stopped people from trying, though.] Problem is, for the people strong enough to go the distance, it turns out he has another dirty trick: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgi2jHPSihc freezing the game.] He hadn't even worn down all 99,999,999 HP—according to a comment, it was somewhere around 2 million.
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*** ''[[Aberrant]]'' gives only a partial set of stats, and those largely being estimated values, for Divis Mal and Caestus Pax for precisely the same reason. (And what stats you do have are so ridiculously high that unless you're playing with vastly-more-powerful-than-average PCs, you're not so much as mussing their hair.)
*** ''[[Aberrant]]'' gives only a partial set of stats, and those largely being estimated values, for Divis Mal and Caestus Pax for precisely the same reason. (And what stats you do have are so ridiculously high that unless you're playing with vastly-more-powerful-than-average PCs, you're not so much as mussing their hair.)
** Similarly, the tongue-in-cheek First Law of [[Munchkin]]ism: "Any finite number can be reduced to zero."
** Similarly, the tongue-in-cheek First Law of [[Munchkin]]ism: "Any finite number can be reduced to zero."
** The first edition of ''[[Dungeons and Dragons]]'' gave the gods stats. This led a lot of players to treat them just like really tough monsters and try to kill them. Later editions generally avoided statting the gods themselves, and if they needed to make a personal appearance, would send [[God in Human Form|an avatar]] with a fraction of their powers (but still really tough).
** The first edition of ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' gave the gods stats. This led a lot of players to treat them just like really tough monsters and try to kill them. Later editions generally avoided statting the gods themselves, and if they needed to make a personal appearance, would send [[God in Human Form|an avatar]] with a fraction of their powers (but still really tough).
*** The 3rd ed book ''Deities and Demigods'' contained almost exclusively stats and info on most gods in the game, including the Faerunian pantheon and the Greek, Norse and Egyptian pantheons. A majority of them are grossly underpowered and badly built, ripe for having player parties kill them and steal their divine powers unless the DM enforces the [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/divineRanksAndPowers.htm special rules for deities.]
*** The 3rd ed book ''Deities and Demigods'' contained almost exclusively stats and info on most gods in the game, including the Faerunian pantheon and the Greek, Norse and Egyptian pantheons. A majority of them are grossly underpowered and badly built, ripe for having player parties kill them and steal their divine powers unless the DM enforces the [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/divineRanksAndPowers.htm special rules for deities.]
** The ''[[Planescape]]'' entity known as the Lady of Pain has no stats for this very reason. The fans wouldn't have it any other way, to the degree that when the 3rd edition Planar Handbook statted her [[Character Alignment]] and nothing else it was met with disapproval.
** The ''[[Planescape]]'' entity known as the Lady of Pain has no stats for this very reason. The fans wouldn't have it any other way, to the degree that when the 3rd edition Planar Handbook statted her [[Character Alignment]] and nothing else it was met with disapproval.
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** Though the thing that makes him this trope is what happens if you do kill Cthulhu. He reforms a few minutes later, fully recovered. Nuke him and he comes back radioactive.
** Though the thing that makes him this trope is what happens if you do kill Cthulhu. He reforms a few minutes later, fully recovered. Nuke him and he comes back radioactive.
* ''[[Rifts]]'' being ''Rifts'', when it added "Pantheons of the Megaverse", the first thing many players tried to do was take on Odin, Ra, Marduk, or whoever was handy. But the book also described beings far more powerful with lines as succinct as "tick them off and it's time to roll up new characters." No stats or names were provided, but presumably the writers were referring to capital-G God and distinguishing Him from those wannabes on Olympus. (It also suggested that [[Game Master]]s didn't including Him in the campaign, since constant divine intervention makes the game kind of boring.)
* ''[[Rifts]]'' being ''Rifts'', when it added "Pantheons of the Megaverse", the first thing many players tried to do was take on Odin, Ra, Marduk, or whoever was handy. But the book also described beings far more powerful with lines as succinct as "tick them off and it's time to roll up new characters." No stats or names were provided, but presumably the writers were referring to capital-G God and distinguishing Him from those wannabes on Olympus. (It also suggested that [[Game Master]]s didn't including Him in the campaign, since constant divine intervention makes the game kind of boring.)
* ''[[Seventh Sea]]'' has one of its most infamous villains, Captain Reis, on the cover. He has stats. He's also nearly impossible to hit... with a sword. However, he doesn't wear armor and you can't block bullets. Shoot him and throw in all your drama dice and you can put a hole in his skull.
* ''[[7th Sea]]'' has one of its most infamous villains, Captain Reis, on the cover. He has stats. He's also nearly impossible to hit... with a sword. However, he doesn't wear armor and you can't block bullets. Shoot him and throw in all your drama dice and you can put a hole in his skull.
* In [[GURPS]], [[Shaped Like Itself|it is impossible to kill anything with Unkillable 2 or 3.]] However, even if the GM gives an NPC one of these traits, player can still attempt to do any number of other nasty things to it, like mind controlling it or chopping off its arms, which kind of exemplifies this trope.
* In [[GURPS]], [[Shaped Like Itself|it is impossible to kill anything with Unkillable 2 or 3.]] However, even if the GM gives an NPC one of these traits, player can still attempt to do any number of other nasty things to it, like mind controlling it or chopping off its arms, which kind of exemplifies this trope.


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* In the webcomic ''[[Kid Radd]]'' (which plays with and [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshades]] a number of videogame tropes) the final boss of the game ''Mofo'' was supposed to be only vulnerable to a special ability none of the characters had. It turned out that he just had a lot of hit points and regenerated them each turn, which allowed the team to defeat him.
* In the webcomic ''[[Kid Radd]]'' (which plays with and [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshades]] a number of videogame tropes) the final boss of the game ''Mofo'' was supposed to be only vulnerable to a special ability none of the characters had. It turned out that he just had a lot of hit points and regenerated them each turn, which allowed the team to defeat him.
** In an in-universe nod to the Postulate, this [[Multiple Endings|unlocks a tongue-in-cheek ending to the game]] where they are chided for "cheating".
** In an in-universe nod to the Postulate, this [[Multiple Endings|unlocks a tongue-in-cheek ending to the game]] where they are chided for "cheating".
** Said game was a [[Lawyer-Friendly Cameo]] of ''[[Earthbound]]'', and as discussed above, Giygas has similar protection.
** Said game was a [[Lawyer-Friendly Cameo]] of ''[[EarthBound]]'', and as discussed above, Giygas has similar protection.
* In ''[[Homestuck]]'', the leader of criminal gang The Felt is named Lord English, after a particular spin put on a cue ball in pool. Creator Andrew Hussie hadn't even ''heard'' about Lord British until later and, when he was informed about similarity between the names, decided to make Lord English a Lord British Postulate, mentioning in a character's narration that he can only be killed by exploiting "numerous bugs and glitches in spacetime."
* In ''[[Homestuck]]'', the leader of criminal gang The Felt is named Lord English, after a particular spin put on a cue ball in pool. Creator Andrew Hussie hadn't even ''heard'' about Lord British until later and, when he was informed about similarity between the names, decided to make Lord English a Lord British Postulate, mentioning in a character's narration that he can only be killed by exploiting "numerous bugs and glitches in spacetime."
** This particular [[Retcon]] surprisingly fits very well within the [[Time Travel]]-related powers that the rest of The Felt possess.
** This particular [[Retcon]] surprisingly fits very well within the [[Time Travel]]-related powers that the rest of The Felt possess.
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