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* [[Fridge Logic]]: This series has never done a very good job of acknowledging street-level civilians, but the cemetery scene at the end is especially problematic:
* [[Fridge Logic]]: This series has never done a very good job of acknowledging street-level civilians, but the cemetery scene at the end is especially problematic:
** For one thing, {{spoiler|why the hell is the cemetery ''always'' empty when Snake and/or Big Boss decide to visit it? It's a military cemetery, so shouldn't it have guards or soldiers on duty?}}
** For one thing, {{spoiler|why the hell is the cemetery ''always'' empty when Snake and/or Big Boss decide to visit it? It's a military cemetery, so shouldn't it have guards or soldiers on duty?}}
** For another, {{spoiler|how would an innocent bystander have reacted if they'd seen two old guys having a fist-fight in a public cemetery? Wouldn't somebody have called the cops?}}
** For another, {{spoiler|how would an innocent bystander have reacted if they'd seen two old guys having a fist-fight in a public cemetery? Wouldn't somebody have called the cops?}}
*** This may surprise you, but cemeteries, outside of when an actual funeral is going on, aren't hugely buzzing with activity. I don't think there's any real problem with a cemetery being empty in and of itself. And no, I don't think Arlington Cemetery has guards, at least not more than a couple at the gate, maybe.
*** This may surprise you, but cemeteries, outside of when an actual funeral is going on, aren't hugely buzzing with activity. I don't think there's any real problem with a cemetery being empty in and of itself. And no, I don't think Arlington Cemetery has guards, at least not more than a couple at the gate, maybe.
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** {{spoiler|How the hell was Big Boss planning on disposing of the bodies? Did he think the local garbage man was just going to come by and wheel them off?}}
** {{spoiler|How the hell was Big Boss planning on disposing of the bodies? Did he think the local garbage man was just going to come by and wheel them off?}}
*** He wasn't planning on it, on account of being, you know, dead by the end of the scene. And no, two extremely old people dying isn't such a huge deal that it's going to garner ''that'' much attention. Snake could call the cops, let them know that two old geezers kicked, and that's that.
*** He wasn't planning on it, on account of being, you know, dead by the end of the scene. And no, two extremely old people dying isn't such a huge deal that it's going to garner ''that'' much attention. Snake could call the cops, let them know that two old geezers kicked, and that's that.
* [[Fridge Brilliance]]: {{spoiler|The identities of the Patriots being Naked Snake's former support crew from ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater]]'' seems like a bit of an [[Ass Pull]], until one realizes that it was Major Zero who coined the name of the organization, as well as the use of the term "La-li-lu-le-lo" (although the Director's commentary in the aforementioned game mentioned that "patriots" in that case were more a reference to the term rather than the name of the organization). It's also worth remembering that they aren't revealed to be the Patriots anyway, only the founders; it's just that the ''current'' Patriots, the AI system, aren't seen after the end of ''Sons of Liberty.''}}
* [[Fridge Brilliance]]: {{spoiler|The identities of the Patriots being Naked Snake's former support crew from ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]]'' seems like a bit of an [[Ass Pull]], until one realizes that it was Major Zero who coined the name of the organization, as well as the use of the term "La-li-lu-le-lo" (although the Director's commentary in the aforementioned game mentioned that "patriots" in that case were more a reference to the term rather than the name of the organization). It's also worth remembering that they aren't revealed to be the Patriots anyway, only the founders; it's just that the ''current'' Patriots, the AI system, aren't seen after the end of ''Sons of Liberty.''}}
** One of the more subtle callbacks of the game--when Raiden makes his first appearance, he holds his sword out in front of Snake and Naomi in exactly the same way that Olga did when saving him in the second game. As if to say "You will go no farther."
** One of the more subtle callbacks of the game--when Raiden makes his first appearance, he holds his sword out in front of Snake and Naomi in exactly the same way that Olga did when saving him in the second game. As if to say "You will go no farther."
** Also, in ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater]]'', The Boss made EVA and Ocelot swear never to kill nor aid in killing Naked Snake (the former was explicitly stated whereas Ocelot was more implied). When taking that into account, it's really no wonder why EVA and Ocelot ended up betraying (the former openly, and the latter covertly) the Patriots and attempting to destroy them after Zanzibar Land.
** Also, in ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]]'', The Boss made EVA and Ocelot swear never to kill nor aid in killing Naked Snake (the former was explicitly stated whereas Ocelot was more implied). When taking that into account, it's really no wonder why EVA and Ocelot ended up betraying (the former openly, and the latter covertly) the Patriots and attempting to destroy them after Zanzibar Land.
** The nationalities of the three most prominent founders of the Patriots ( {{spoiler|Big Boss (American), Revolver Ocelot (Russian), and EVA (Chinese))}} corresponds to the three countries that founded the Philosophers. This is fitting, since {{spoiler|the Patriots used the Philosophers as their cover to make it look like they had been around longer than they really had}}.
** The nationalities of the three most prominent founders of the Patriots ( {{spoiler|Big Boss (American), Revolver Ocelot (Russian), and EVA (Chinese))}} corresponds to the three countries that founded the Philosophers. This is fitting, since {{spoiler|the Patriots used the Philosophers as their cover to make it look like they had been around longer than they really had}}.
* Since Liquid was a clone just like his brother, he would have eventually fallen victim to the same accelerated aging that Snake did. This means that had Liquid survived [[Metal Gear Solid|the Shadow Moses takeover]], he would probably look a lot like the seventy-something year old Ocelot does in MGS4. When you think about it, this makes Ocelot's masquerade just that little bit more believable: he looks just like Liquid would look if he were still alive.
* Since Liquid was a clone just like his brother, he would have eventually fallen victim to the same accelerated aging that Snake did. This means that had Liquid survived [[Metal Gear Solid|the Shadow Moses takeover]], he would probably look a lot like the seventy-something year old Ocelot does in MGS4. When you think about it, this makes Ocelot's masquerade just that little bit more believable: he looks just like Liquid would look if he were still alive.
* {{spoiler|In ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater]]'', we learned that Major Zero is a huge fan of the [[James Bond]] movies. Here, we see how much he resembles a James Bond villain himself. He's an affable, witty British man with an evil-looking scar over his eye, and he takes over America with supercomputers. But unlike a classic Bond bad guy, his plan actually succeeds. His Bond-like nemesis (Big Boss) doesn't defeat him until over fifty years later...when he's an invalid old man, and he only needs to unplug his breathing machine. Maybe watching all those Bond movies make him [[Genre Savvy]] enough to succeed}}.
* {{spoiler|In ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]]'', we learned that Major Zero is a huge fan of the [[James Bond]] movies. Here, we see how much he resembles a James Bond villain himself. He's an affable, witty British man with an evil-looking scar over his eye, and he takes over America with supercomputers. But unlike a classic Bond bad guy, his plan actually succeeds. His Bond-like nemesis (Big Boss) doesn't defeat him until over fifty years later...when he's an invalid old man, and he only needs to unplug his breathing machine. Maybe watching all those Bond movies make him [[Genre Savvy]] enough to succeed}}.
* In Chinese Big Boss translates as Taipan, which is also the name of a group of the most deadly poisonous snakes in the world. (Though it's unknown if this was intentional).
* In Chinese Big Boss translates as Taipan, which is also the name of a group of the most deadly poisonous snakes in the world. (Though it's unknown if this was intentional).
* [[Fridge Logic]]: This game represents Kojima's last attempt to duct tape every errant thread in the cloth of the pre-existing [[Metal Gear]] continuity into a coherent whole, therefore an iota of [[Your Mileage May Vary|contestable]] confusion was inevitable. That there aren't more is a testament to Kojima's writing skill.
* [[Fridge Logic]]: This game represents Kojima's last attempt to duct tape every errant thread in the cloth of the pre-existing [[Metal Gear]] continuity into a coherent whole, therefore an iota of [[Your Mileage May Vary|contestable]] confusion was inevitable. That there aren't more is a testament to Kojima's writing skill.
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