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* [[Acceptable Targets]]: Religious people, homosexuals ([[[[Girl-On-Girl Is Hot|male homosexuals]] fans of modern music, fans of western animation, and most of all, critics. [[Dude, Not Funny|No one agrees, though]].
* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: Is the Council a group of one-dimensionally evil strawmen who represent everything the author hates, or are they fighting for the rights of those the author hates, only to [[He Who Fights Monsters|tragically succumb to their own biases and persecute those they disagree with]]?
Only the men]]), fans of modern music, fans of western animation, and
most of all, critics. [[Dude, Not Funny|No one agrees, though]].
* [[Accidental Nightmare Fuel]]:
** From the authors descriptions we can deduce the character's
appearance. Ronan has a six inch body, twenty eight foot biceps, blue
hair and a penis that can go from two to forty five feet in length.
Imagine this giant phallus chasing you down with giant arms waving over
it's tiny patch of blue hair, the whole time yelling badly spelled
gibberish and obscenities.
** Giant ''shapeshifting'' phallus.
*** Alternatively may count as a [[Crowning Moment of Funny]] when one is
''watching'' this thing chasing someone, though the one being chased
might not see the humor...or they might die from busting a gut. This
troper, just in reading the above description, cannot stop ''laughing''.
* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: Is the Council a group of
one-dimensionally evil strawmen who represent everything the author
hates, or are they fighting for the rights of those the author hates,
only to [[[[He Who Fights Monsters]] tragically succumb to their own biases and
persecute those they disagree with]]?
* [[And the Fandom Rejoiced]]:
** Perhaps the only well-received development in this fic was the announcement that the author was wrapping it up.
** {{spoiler|Then Benji released his ending, and readers enjoyed seeing Ronan get his comeuppance}}.
announcement that the author was wrapping it up.
* [[Anticlimax Boss]]: The Council. When Ronan reaches them, they start begging for their lives.
** [[spoiler:Then Benji released his ending, and readers enjoyed seeing
* [[Arc Fatigue]]: You know the whole thing about Ronan destroying the world? Yeah, well, it's first mentioned he'll do this in Chapter 16. He doesn't actually do it until '''Chapter 65'''. While in a [[Sarcasm Mode|well written]] story, this would be a nice case of [[Foreshadowing]] and the author having planned things out, in ''this'' fic, you could cut out most of the chapters in between those two and you wouldn't lose much.
Ronan get his comeuppance]].
* [[Ass Pull]]: Repeatedly, especially Ronan being godson of the Shinobi King when he moved to Konoha from elsewhere.
* [[Anticlimax Boss]]: The Council. When Ronan reaches them, they start
** The Shinobi King ''himself'' might count as an ass pull, fanfic or not, since it seems like the author decided to rip off a concept from [[Bleach]].
begging for their lives.
* [[Author's Saving Throw]]: Ronan's first decrees as King of the Shinobi include everyone who likes modern music being put to death "[[Rouge Angles of Satin|in less]] [[Double Standard|they r hot chicks]]", and outlaws homosexuality and religion. In the next chapter, he changes the sentence to life imprisonment for modern music fans (but keeps the death penalty for every modern musician except himself and Sakura), and allows gay people to have sex in their homes but not so much as kiss in public, in response to reviewer complaints about him being intolerant. The chapter after that, Ronan changes the sentence to life imprisonment for modern musicians, and while he orders churches to be bulldozed, says that people can pray in their homes.
* [[Arc Fatigue]]: You know the whole thing about Ronan destroying the world?
* [[Badass Decay]]: Everyone from canon. The Seven Ninja Swordsmen of the Mist go from legendary warriors to [[Mook|Mooks]].
Yeah, well, it's first mentioned he'll do this in Chapter 16. He doesn't
* [[Big Lipped Alligator Moment]]: The beach episode, which may or may not be a dream and is a BLAM by the author's admission.
actually do it until '''Chapter 65'''. While in a [[[[Sarcasm Mode]] well
{{quote|'''Author's Note''': dis chsptr might b a bit weord i cudnt tink ofmuc so it dusnt ha much 2 d wot skura mdra sasuke da coincil nd utff!}}
written]] story, this would be a nice case of [[Foreshadowing]] and the
* [[Canon Defilement]]: Taken to [[My Immortal]] extremes. There are around six characters from canon who appear more than once, all horribly out of character, compared to over a dozen recurring original characters. Early on, none of the canon settings were referred to by name, and in Chapter 6, the rest of Team 7 was killed off (although they eventually came back) and Orochimaru was forgotten about. Chapters in the middle of the fic, including when Ronan travels {{spoiler|looking for a cure for Sakura}} aren't quite as bad as the early story, but are still decidedly [[In Name Only]].
author having planned things out, in ''this'' fic, you could cut out
most of the chapters in between those two and you wouldn't lose much.
* [[Ass Pull]]: Repeatedly, especially Ronan being godson of the Shinobi King
when he moved to Konoha from elsewhere.
** The Shinobi King ''himself'' might count as an ass pull, fanfic or
not, since it seems like the author decided to rip off a concept from
Bleach.
* [[Author's Saving Throw]]: Ronan's first decrees as King of the Shinobi
include everyone who likes modern music being put to death
"[[Rouge Angles of Satin|in less]] [[Double Standard|they r hot chicks]]",
and outlaws homosexuality and religion. In the next chapter, he changes
the sentence to life imprisonment for modern music fans (but keeps the
death penalty for every modern musician except himself and Sakura), and
allows gay people to have sex in their homes but not so much as kiss in
public, in response to reviewer complaints about him being intolerant.
The chapter after that, Ronan changes the sentence to life imprisonment
for modern musicians, and while he orders churches to be bulldozed, says
that people can pray in their homes.
* [[Badass Decay]]: Everyone from canon. The Seven Ninja Swordsmen of the
Mist go from legendary warriors to [[Mook|Mooks]].
* [[Big Lipped Alligator Moment]]: The beach episode, which may or may not be a
dream and is a BLAM by the author's admission.
{{quote|'''Author's Note''': dis chsptr might b a bit weord i cudnt tink of
}}
muc so it dusnt ha much 2 d wot skura mdra sasuke da coincil nd utff!
* [[Canon Defilement]]: Taken to [[My Immortal]] extremes. There
are around six characters from canon who appear more than once, all
horribly out of character, compared to over a dozen recurring original
characters. Early on, none of the canon settings were referred to by
name, and in Chapter 6, the rest of Team 7 was killed off (although they
eventually came back) and Orochimaru was forgotten about. Chapters in
the middle of the fic, including when Ronan travels [[spoiler:looking
for a cure for Sakura]] aren't quite as bad as the early story, but are
still decidedly [[In Name Only]].
* [[Character Rerailment]]:
** To some extent, Sasuke becoming evil for the sake of [[Revenge]] like in canon, although he also becomes a fundamentalist Christian in the process.
** {{spoiler|In Benji's ending, all the characters are returned to their normal selves and kill Ronan}}.
in canon, although he also becomes a fundamentalist Christian in the
* [[Cliché Storm]]: Oh lord.... just ''look at it''. However, [[[[Poe's Law]] in the case that]] [[Troll Fic|it's intentional]], it falls under [[Troperrific]] instead.
process.
* [[Creator's Pet]]: Ronan is described as a great character, and hardlyanyone criticizes him. Naruto's anger toward him is indicated as being ''because'' he believes Ronan is better than he is, as he constantly reminds us. [[[[Alternate Character Interpretation]] Most of the readers think otherwise.]]
** [[spoiler:In Benji's ending, all the characters are returned to their
normal selves and kill Ronan]].
* [[Cliché Storm]]: Oh lord.... just ''look at it''. However, [[[[Poe's Law]] in
the case that]] [[Troll Fic|it's intentional]], it falls under
[[Troperrific]] instead.
* [[Creator's Pet]]: Ronan is described as a great character, and hardly
anyone criticizes him. Naruto's anger toward him is indicated as being
''because'' he believes Ronan is better than he is, as he constantly
reminds us. [[[[Alternate Character Interpretation]] Most of the readers think
otherwise.]]
* [[Critical Research Failure]]:
** As part of his claim to know Japanese history, Jake says that Japan had nukes dropped on it in World War ''I''.
** The author describes Sakura as having "double L cup" breasts. Even disregarding the fact that Sakura is flat-chested in canon, bra sizes do not go that high, and double letters indicate smaller breasts (as AA is smaller than A).
had nukes dropped on it in World War ''I''.
** The author describes Sakura as having "double L cup" breasts. Even
disregarding the fact that Sakura is flat-chested in canon, bra sizes do
not go that high, and double letters indicate smaller breasts (as AA is
smaller than A).
* [[Designated Hero]]: Ronan. ''Dear GOD'', '''RONAN'''.
* [[Designated Villain]]:
** Orochiblahblah and Magora are this, despite not doing anything nearly as horrible as Ronan does.
** The author wants readers to consider Edfred a jerk, although he comes off as reasonable in comparison to Ronan.
as horrible as Ronan does.
** The author wants readers to consider Edfred a jerk, although he comes
off as reasonable in comparison to Ronan.
* [[Die for Our Ship]]:
** This happens to Naruto.... ''twice''. Though it's more like "Die For Our [[Lemon]]". Sasuke and Kakashi also get this treatment.
** Sasuke also gets treated this way, especially considering that {{spoiler|it takes Sakura getting brainwashed for him to get together with her}}
Our [[Lemon]]". Sasuke and Kakashi also get this treatment.
** Sasuke also gets treated this way, especially considering that
[[spoiler:it takes Sakura getting brainwashed for him to get together
with her]]
* [[Dude, Not Funny]]:
** The treatment of anyone Jake doesn't like when portrayed as funny.
** The biggest example of this trope, however, is probably chapter 11. In it, Ronan is having sex with his harem [[Making Love in All the Wrong Places|in public]] when a gay man comes up and comments on his large penis. Ronan freaks out and ''[[Disproportionate Retribution|kills him]]'' just for admiring it. While it could be just ''barely'' justified as [[Paedo Hunt]] under Jake's bizarre logic, it mainly just comes off as [[Moral Event Horizon|monstrous.]]
** The biggest example of this trope, however, is probably chapter 11.
* [[Ending Aversion]]: Inverted. Benji's ending is widely seen as the only ''good'' part of the story.
In it, Ronan is having sex with his harem
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]] / [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]: Edfred, one of the few people who not only opposes Ronan, but calls him out for being a jerk.
[[Making Love in All the Wrong Places|in public]] when a gay man comes up and
* [[Esoteric Happy Ending]]: The (arguably more) evil Council has been defeated, but {{spoiler|Ronan has destroyed the rest of the world in the process and charged Ekaj and Atni with repopulating the world with people like him; one Ronan was already bad enough}}.
comments on his large penis. Ronan freaks out and
* [[Evil Is Sexy]]: Zig-zagged with Taliana. She's described as sexy both when she's on Ronan's side and when she's on Madara's, but around the time the author broke up with his girlfriend, {{spoiler|leading to Taliana's death}}, Taliana is described as "ugly".
''[[Disproportionate Retribution|kills him]]'' just for admiring it.
* [[Fetish Retardant]]: Even ''if'' you had any of the fetishes featured in this fic, they're so poorly written and described there's ''no way'' the scenes featuring them could ever turn you on.
While it could be just ''barely'' justified as [[Paedo Hunt]]
* [[Generic Doomsday Villain]]: Orochimaru has no real plan except for kidnapping Ronan's friends repeatedly. At least Madara was working for the Council and had some side ventures.
under Jake's bizarre logic, it mainly just comes off as
* [[Les Yay]]: Between the two females of the Council, and between the German female and {{spoiler|brainwashed Sakura}}.
[[Moral Event Horizon|monstrous.]]
* [[Misaimed Fandom]]: According to the author, we are not supposed to like [[Ensemble Darkhorse|Edfred]], and he is supposed to come off as a [[Jerkass]]. [[Straw Man Has a Point|However...]]
* [[Ending Aversion]]: Inverted. Benji's ending is widely seen as the only
* [[Moral Event Horizon]]: Ronan does several things that would be considered unforgivable, but the author doesn't consider them as such. However, the President of the Kibusi Corporation offers an arguably straight example when he {{spoiler|kills most of the Land of Earth for not being suitable for doing business in}}.
''good'' part of the story.
** The Council cements their status as being evil by planning on killing all homosexuals. [[Even Evil Has Standards|Even]] [[Politically Incorrect Hero|Ronan]] finds this appalling.
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]] / [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]: Edfred, one of the few
* [[Nightmare Fuel]]:
people who not only opposes Ronan, but calls him out for being a jerk.
** From the authors descriptions we can deduce the character's appearance. Ronan has a six inch body, twenty eight foot biceps, blue hair and a penis that can go from two to forty five feet in length. Imagine this giant phallus chasing you down with giant arms waving over it's tiny patch of blue hair, the whole time yelling badly spelled gibberish and obscenities.
* [[Esoteric Happy Ending]]: The (arguably more) evil Council has been
** Giant ''shapeshifting'' phallus.
defeated, but [[spoiler:Ronan has destroyed the rest of the world in the
*** Alternatively may count as a [[Crowning Moment of Funny]] when one is ''watching'' this thing chasing someone, though the one being chased might not see the humor...or they might die from busting a gut.
process and charged Ekaj and Atni with repopulating the world with
** The sex scenes. [[Eye Scream|Dear,]] [[Squick|sweet]] [[Artistic License Biology|merciful]] [[Body Horror|GOD,]] the ''[[Precision F-Strike|fuck]][[Incredibly Lame Pun|ing]] [[Brain Bleach|sex scenes!]]''
people like him; one Ronan was already bad enough]].
* [[Ron the Death Eater]]: This was what appeared to be happening to Naruto, before he was [[Die for Our Ship|killed off]] (the second time). But then, [[Unexplained Recovery|he somehow came back ''again'']], and {{spoiler| was on the side of the bad guys... before being killed off. AGAIN}}.
* [[Evil Is Sexy]]: Zig-zagged with Taliana. She's described as sexy both when
** Sasuke is not only completely evil, but is also portrayed without the faintest hint of sympathy or redeeming characteristics, and is said to be fat and ugly.
she's on Ronan's side and when she's on Madara's, but around the time
* [[Selective Squick]]: [[Girl-On-Girl Is Hot|Girl on girl]], milking breasts, watersports, farting, barfing, scat, and genital mutilation? "fuking hot". Two guys even kissing? "EW WTF NO IM NUT A FAG DATS SO GROSA!!1!!!!11!" On a lesser scale, the author and Ronan also disapprove of necrophilia.
the author broke up with his girlfriend, [[spoiler:leading to Taliana's
* [[Shocking Swerve]]: Numerous, always feeling like [[Ass Pull|ass pulls]], and usually leading to [[Fridge Logic]], [[Fridge Horror]], and major [[Squick]].
death]], Taliana is described as "ugly".
* [[So Bad It's Good]]: For some. But others who are [[Squick|Squicked]] by the sex scenes or offended by the author ([[Author Avatar|and thus Ronan]]'s) [[Author Tract|ideology]] [[Your Mileage May Vary|disagree]].
* [[Fetish Retardant]]: Even ''if'' you had any of the fetishes featured in
* [[The Scrappy]]: While none of the characters except Edfred are very well liked, Ronan stands out in how widely he is hated for his repulsive personality and [[Marty Stu]] nature.
this fic, they're so poorly written and described there's ''no way'' the
* [[Straw Man Has a Point]]: Edfred comes off as completely reasonable in disliking Ronan.
scenes featuring them could ever turn you on.
* [[High Octane Nightmare Fuel]]: The sex scenes. [[Eye Scream|Dear,]]
[[Squick|sweet]] [[Artistic License Biology|merciful]] [[[[Body Horror]]
GOD,]] the ''[[Precision F-Strike|fuck]][[Incredibly Lame Pun|ing]]
[[Brain Bleach|sex scenes!]]''
* [[Generic Doomsday Villain]]: Orochimaru has no real plan except for
kidnapping Ronan?s friends repeatedly. At least Madara was working for
the Council and had some side ventures.
* [[Les Yay]]: Between the two females of the Council, and between the German
female and {{spoiler|brainwashed Sakura}}.
* [[Misaimed Fandom]]: According to the author, we are not supposed to like
[[Ensemble Darkhorse|Edfred]], and he is supposed to come off as a
[[Jerkass]]. [[Straw Man Has a Point|However...]]
* [[Moral Event Horizon]]: Ronan does several things that would be considered
unforgivable, but the author doesn't consider them as such. However, the
President of the Kibusi Corporation offers an arguably straight example
when he [[spoiler:kills most of the Land of Earth for not being suitable
for doing business in]].
** The Council cements their status as being evil by planning on killing
all homosexuals. [[Even Evil Has Standards|Even]]
[[Politically Incorrect Hero|Ronan]] finds this appalling.
* [[Ron the Death Eater]]:
** This was what appeared to be happening to Naruto, before he was
[[Die for Our Ship|killed off]] (the second time). But then,
[[Unexplained Recovery|he somehow came back ''again'']], and [[spoiler:
was on the side of the bad guys... before being killed off. AGAIN]].
** Sasuke is not only completely evil, but is also portrayed without the
faintest hint of sympathy or redeeming characteristics, and is said to
be fat and ugly.
* [[Selective Squick]]: [[Girl-On-Girl Is Hot|Girl on girl]], milking breasts,
watersports, farting, barfing, scat, and genital mutilation? "fuking
hot". Two guys even kissing? "EW WTF NO IM NUT A FAG DATS SO
GROSA!!1!!!!11!" On a lesser scale, the author and Ronan also disapprove
of necrophilia.
* [[Shocking Swerve]]: Numerous, always feeling like [[Ass Pull|ass pulls]],
and usually leading to [[Fridge Logic]], [[[[Fridge Horror]]
Fridge Horror]], and major [[Squick]].
* [[So Bad It's Good]]: For some. But others who are [[Squick|Squicked]] by the sex
scenes or offended by the author ([[Author Avatar|and thus Ronan]]'s)
[[Author Tract|ideology]] [[Your Mileage May Vary|disagree]].
* [[The Scrappy]]: While none of the characters except Edfred are very well
liked, Ronan stands out in how widely he is hated for his repulsive
personality and [[Marty Stu]] nature.
* [[Straw Man Has a Point]]: Edfred comes off as completely reasonable in
disliking Ronan.
* [[Thirty-Sue Pileup]]:
** [[Jerk Sue]]: '''AND HOW!'''
** [[Tsundere Sue]]: Is supposed to be seen as a loving boyfriend who is often justifiably irritated or angry, but comes off as an abusive jerk.
often justifiably irritated or angry, but comes off as an abusive jerk.
** [[Black Hole Sue]]: The entire story revolves around him and his actions.
** [[God Mode Sue]]: Ronan is more powerful than all of Team 7 combined. While it's unclear at what point in the story this takes place, his being able to defeat Orochimaru and Madara with little effort easily qualifies him as one.
it's unclear at what point in the story this takes place, his being able
to defeat Orochimaru and Madara with little effort easily qualifies him
as one.
** [[Mary Tzu]]
** [[Relationship Sue]]: It's more about the sex, though.
** [[Mary Sue Classic]]
** [[Lemon Stu]]: Ronan is in ''''''''love'''''''' with this trope. Ronan fits the Lemon Stu trope so well in fact, you could easily retitle "Lemon Stu" as "The Ronan".
** To give one an idea of just ''how much'' of a Stu Ronan is, let's take his score on [[http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm The Universal Mary Sue Litmus Test]], which was administered by Benji himself (the person who probably knows the most about Ronan besides Jake). If your character scores 50+, it's recommended you just scrap them. [[My Immortal|Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way's]] score was 195. Ronan's? ''[[Serial Escalation|314]].''
fits the Lemon Stu trope so well in fact, you could easily retitle
* [[One True Threesome]]: First Ronan with Sakura, Mandy and Taliana, then {{spoiler|after Mandy is killed and Taliana turns evil, it's Ronan, Sakura and da cooger, then after da cooger's death, she is replaced by Etni/Atni}}.
"Lemon Stu" as "The Ronan".
** To give one an idea of just ''how much'' of a Stu Ronan is, let's
take his score on [[http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm The
Universal Mary Sue Litmus Test]], which was administered by Benji
himself (the person who probably knows the most about Ronan besides
Jake). If your character scores 50+, it's recommended you just scrap
them. [[My Immortal|Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way's]] score was 195.
Ronan's? ''[[Serial Escalation|314]].''
* [[One True Threesome]]: First Ronan with Sakura, Mandy and Taliana, then
[[spoiler:after Mandy is killed and Taliana turns evil, it's Ronan,
Sakura and da cooger, then after da cooger's death, she is replaced by
Etni/Atni]].
* [[Take That Scrappy]]: {{spoiler|Ronan's death in Benji's ending}}.
* [[Villain Decay]]: Both compared to canon and in-story for Madara and Orochimaru. Their attempts to defeat Ronan routinely fail and cause them to lose all credibility as threats.
* [[Wangst]]: Naruto from his return to the story until his death, (but unlike many fanfics, he repeatedly gets called out for it and is meant to be unsympathetic). Jake is also prone to doing this during his Author's Notes, and on his twitter account.
Orochimaru. Their attempts to defeat Ronan routinely fail and cause them
* [[The Woobie]]: ''Sakura''. She gets raped countless times, by Ronan and her enemies, often gets physical and emotional abuse from Ronan, and is treated like property in and out of bed. One could argue that she brings much of it on herself by sticking around Ronan, but this is disproven when {{spoiler|in Benji's ending, it is revealed that she had been placed under a genjutsu all along. Said ending also implies she has some permanent psychological scars from her experience}}.
to lose all credibility as threats.
* [[Wangst]]: Naruto from his return to the story until his death, (but
unlike many fanfics, he repeatedly gets called out for it and is meant
to be unsympathetic). Jake is also prone to doing this during his
Author's Notes, and on his twitter account.
* [[The Woobie]]: ''Sakura''. She gets raped countless times, by Ronan and
her enemies, often gets physical and emotional abuse from Ronan, and is
treated like property in and out of bed. One could argue that she brings
much of it on herself by sticking around Ronan, but this is disproven
when [[spoiler:in Benji's ending, it is revealed that she had been
placed under a genjutsu all along. Said ending also implies she has some
permanent psychological scars from her experience]].
 
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