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*''[[Bleach]]'': Orihime Inoue, Momo Hinamori and Rangiku Matsumoto are the biggest victims of this, to unbelievable levels. The paragraphs below describe the reasons why they get bashed, [[Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment|but let's be careful when citing them]]:
**Orihime: Being more of a healer and [[Barrier Warrior]], as well as rather feminine and busty and having a deep crush on Ichigo, apparently makes her "a piece of shit", "an offensive whore" and "infinitely inferior to Rukia". Many of these phrases come from [[Die for Our Ship|shipping wars that pit Orihime against Rukia]], yes, but misogyny keeps seeping in when you consider how Rukia is often held up as "The Most Feminist Bleach Character Ever" while Orihime gets slamed and slutshamed by the same Rukia fans that [[Mary Sue|Mary Sue-ize]] her.
**Momo: Momo was a kind [[Yamato Nadeshiko]] who experienced the heavy downfalls of her character type, especially after [[Break the Cutie|being horribly broken by the plot]] and showing ''realistic'' reactions to things like the betrayal of her mentor, Aizen, who even came to get her almost killed twice. The fangirls' reaction? "WHORE! BITCH! SLUT!, COCKSUCKER! WEAK! KILL HER!" Specially [[Double Standard|Double Standard-ish]] when we consider that her old friend Kira, who ''also'' was betrayed (this time by Aizen's [[The Dragon|Dragon]] [[Dragon with an Agenda|Gin]]) is adored and coddled by the same fans that bash Momo.
**Rangiku: She's far more popular than Orihime and Momo due to her [[Action Girl]] skills and her [[Ms. Fanservice]] looks, but she's often demeaned by fans due to having ''[[Gag Boobs|huge]]'' [[Boobs of Steel]], which makes fans refuse to see beyond her "big, nasty titties" and treat her as a total [[Flat Character]] despite the surprisingly complex characterization that she was given. And let's not forget how refusing to grieve and hold up a torch for Gin after the reveal of his true motivations has marked Rangiku a "total [[Ungrateful Bastard|Ungrateful Bitch]]" who should be ''punished'' for [[Hypocritical Fandom|not bowing to the cock]] of the guy who ''may'' have wanted to protect her in his own way but still made her suffer.
*[[Childhood Friend Romance|Winry]] [[Wrench Wench|Rockbell]] from ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist]]'' gets a ton of this. Despite the fact that she is a genuinely good person and helps Ed in her own way (indeed, he'd be useless without the automail limbs she makes for him), she'd constantly hated on because she's never on the battlefield like counterparts [[The Gunslinger|Riza Hawkeye]] and [[Ninja|Ranfan]], and that it somehow makes her weaker. Protip: it doesn't. Of every single character in the series, Winry is arguably the strongest in the emotional department, and she's an excellent example of feminism in her own right— she works in mechanics, a traditionally male-dominated profession, is a child prodigy in her chosen field (she surpasses her grandmother by the age of sixteen and grew up reading medical books), works hard to the point of staying up two days straight, and has the courage to leave home for an apprenticeship in a place far, far away. And all of this is before her backstory figures in. Plus, as flashbacks reveal, she is much stronger and more determined than [[Shrinking Violet|Hawkeye was at her age]]. ([[Abusive Parents|Though it's not]] [[Broken Bird|like Hawkeye]] [[Break the Cutie|doesn't have her reasons]])
**Don't forget about Rose from the first ''Fullmetal Alchemist'' anime, who ''[[Sarcasm Mode|dared]]'' to have a ''baby''! Despite that there wasn't much she could do about her situation even if she didn't want it, [[Iron Woobie|and she was just trying to make the best out of her situation]]. Disregarding as well the fact that Rose, who had no alchemist powers or military training to fight back, [[Moment of Awesome (Sugar Wiki)|shielded a bunch of children with her body from soldiers attacking the town]]. With no help from anyone else, she took it upon herself to be the [[Mama Bear]] to them. Fans also [[Never Live It Down|blame her for being fooled by Cornello with the hope she had that her boyfriend would come back from death]], despite the fact that he was a skilled con artist who tricked everyone in the town using alchemy and feeding them false promises. Instead of seeing that Rose grew from this experience and became stronger and more independent from it, fans continue to attack her for being [[Neutral Female|useless]]. This of course probably has ''nothing'' to do with the fact that [[Die for Our Ship|Ed and Rose have a fair amount of ship tease in the anime]]. [[Blatant Lies|Certainly not]].
***Aaaaand there's also how it's ''Rose's'' fault that she and her baby were kidnapped by Dante, and Rose herself almost ended up as [[Grand Theft Me|Dante's next host]]. Yeah, try being a young woman without fighting/alchemist abilities and with a little baby on tow... how on Amestris would you singlehandedly get free from ''that''?!
**Believe it or not, even Riza is sometimes a victim of this. The "[[Chickification]]! Stupid weak bitch! How dare you cry, STOP WHINING!" cries that were spit at her when she ''dared'' to show despair and almost give up after believing that her commander and [[Love Interest]] [[Colonel Badass|Roy]] was dead were a sight to behold.
*In ''[[Fruits Basket]]'', Akito Sohma was introduced as a violent [[Manipulative Bastard]] and a huge asshole to Tohru Honda and the whole Sohma clan. Many fangirls squealed and made him a [[Draco in Leather Pants]], cheering at almost all of his evil actions and especially at his hospitalization of [[Broken Bird|his cousin Isuzu, aka Rin]], [[The Scrappy|the most hated female back then]]. When Akito was revealed to have been a ''woman'' all along in the manga, lots of fangirls ''immediately'' started ''bashing'' her, saying (among other things) that she was too hot to be female and wasn't interesting anymore ''[[Fan Dumb|because of her gender]]''. The end of the series showed Akito come to terms with herself and act rather more conventionally feminine (like wearing a frilly tank top, and later a dress), which some fans seemed to consider as the ultimate insult.
**Also, Tohru Honda is a prime target among the Furuba [[Hatedom]], despite being the protagonist who ultimately breaks the Sohma family curse with her [[The Power of Love|Power of Love]]. While Tohru ''is'' an insecure [[Yamato Nadeshiko]] who often describes herself as "weak", "stupid", and "a burden", and she only really feels confident or "useful" when able to help the Sohmas, she's ''never'' helpless; in a pinch or stressful situation, she always acts or at least tries to, and usually to her own detriment. Two huge example are her trying to calm down a Kyo who's been reverted to his monster form and an [[Ax Crazy]] Akito in her [[Villainous Breakdown]], standing up to both of them and telling them "[[You Are Not Alone]]" - ''even when one is a foul and desperate monster and the other was swinging a knife around''. But "feminist fangirls" only see Tohru's gentleness and [[Heroic Self-Deprecation]], thus they refuse to see her stronger and helpful side - unless they can use it to accuse her of being a [[Purity Sue]].
**Also worth pointing out is the fact that Akito's hidden identity as a man is basically one of the reasons her life is hell - it was just a reminder of how jealous her [[Evil Matriarch]] mother was over her loving (but dead) father. Not to mention the fact that Akito's wearing of traditionally feminine clothing is also symbolic of the fact that she finally found the strength to take back her own life and live the way she wants to.
*In the show ''[[Samurai Champloo]]'', Fuu is a [[Plucky Girl]] who occasionally cries when she has good reason to, [[Bodyguard Crush|crushes on her]] [[Estrogen Brigade Bait|bodyguards]], and is usually the nicest and most level-headed character on the show, despite being a bit bossy sometimes. According to her personal [[Hatedom]], not only is she weak and useless for not being an [[Action Girl]], but she's also a ditzy, whiny, overbearing bitch that [[Blood Knight|Mugen]] and [[The Stoic|Jin]] would be much better off without. Never mind that she was the only thing that kept them from killing each other, or that an [[Action Girl]] [[Fridge Logic|wouldn't need two bodyguards to begin with]].
*In-universe: Kanae, AKA Moko, on ''[[Skip Beat|Skip Beat!]]'' deliberately calls out Kyouko when they meet, only because she perceives Kyouko as a [[Yamato Nadeshiko|"housewife" type of woman] who [[Stay in the Kitchen|shouldn't stay near the show business]]. Even later in the manga, when both have a kind-of-friendship and Kyouko has shown [[Plucky Girl|how scarily competent she can be when acting]], Kanae still feels uncomfortable with Kyouko due her own perceived contradiction between being able of do any domestic chores and being an reputed actress and entertainer. There is a twist though, Kanae also acts as a housewife for her own very large family, as her parents are always traveling and her older brothers are no help, [[Not So Different|seeing Kyoko reminded her of herself]]. Kanae's type of housewifing is more like an extreme sport, and it's kind of easy to understand why is she is so annoyed by it.
*There's an infamous article in which a Japanese mother bashes ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure]]'' left, right and center for having cute heroines, putting them in skirts, and advertising dolls for them. She also claims that her daughter is already tainted by the patriarchy because she likes the color pink...
*Jun the Swan in ''[[Science Ninja Team Gatchaman]]'' is well-liked among the fans, but every now and then is the subject of complaints that her character is "too stereotypically feminine" for having a crush on the hero, being afraid of bugs and liking pretty things. Now to be fair to the dissenters she ''did'' (sadly) fall victim to the era's sexism quite often, but considering this was ''a Japanese series made in the 1970s'', Jun was actually pretty progressive: not only did she get to fight with the guys and is more than capable at knocking goons around, but she was also [[Stuff Blowing Up|an explosives expert]] [[Biker Babe]] ''and'' ran a snack bar at the age of 16. Plus, looking after [[Mouthy Kid|Jinpei]] and his [[Pet Baby Wild Animal]] tendencies [[Captain Obvious|ain't exactly Easy Street]].
**Ironically, she can't cook. Jinpei does that for her, and most of the cleaning, so it is implied that her stereotypically female domestic skills aren't that great.
*Similar complaints have been directed towards Françoise Arnoul aka [[You Are Number Six|003]] from ''[[Cyborg 009]]'', ''also'' from a franchise that started in the 1970s. It doesn't help that Françoise lost the [[Superpower Lottery]] by only having [[Super Senses]], which puts her in a disadvantage in regards to her partners, and she ''knows that'' quite painfully. The 2001 series makes her a [[Team Mom]] [[Plucky Girl]] with [[Action Girl]] moments, but a good part of the fandom still bashes her solely for her girliness, ignoring that Fran is still ''very'' progressive for her age.
*[[Moe|Cute girl]] Princess Nia Teppelin from ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' has received more than her fair share of flak for being charming and girlish, and for being unlike gun-toting [[Action Girl]] [[Cool Big Sis|Yoko Littner]]...who then gets her [[Character Development]] hand-waved and is accused of being nothing but a [[Ms. Fanservice]].
**Any notions of [[Moe]] that Nia has going for her are far outweighed by her ''[[Plucky Girl|massive balls]]''. Sure, she relies on her [[Love Interest]] (as plenty of people in a relationship tend to do) and the leader of her group (as groups also tend to do), while being generally confused about the world [[Justified Trope|she didn't grow up in]], not unlike two other characters who happened to have come up from the ground into a similar situation, but that doesn't stop her from talking down to, in order: [[Giant Enemy Crab|A giant enemy robot]] [[Moment of Awesome (Sugar Wiki)|that had her in its claws at the moment]], an enemy general who had a gun in her face, and a god who was killing her mid smack talk.
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*To many fans, Digimon Adventure 02's [[Grand Finale]] was [[Anticlimax|disappointing]], [[They Just Didn't Care|poorly written]], and that some of the kids' destinies were, well, [[Strangled by the Red String|ill-fitting]]. But that does ''not'' excuse the screaming hatred of Miyako Inoue's share of the finale. So, according to the fans' logic, being the mother of Ken Ichijouji's children and raising them with the help of her Digimon (and mind you, one of the kids is a baby, possibly a newborn) ''completely'' invalidates her ''numerous'' in-series feats (which include [[Indy Ploy|Indy Ploying]] her way through the Digital World many times, [[Get a Hold of Yourself, Man!|slapping people out of their depressions]], ''and'' facing a [[Dark Action Girl]] Digimon [[The Worf Effect|who had already overwhelmed her Digimon]] ''[[Badass Normal|with only a skateboard as her weapon]]''), and gives fans "permission" to not only [[Die for Our Ship|scream at her for being her husband's]] [[Victorious Childhood Friend]], but to also give her flak for "being reduced to a housewife", "ending up as the less cool of the girls" and "[[Fridge Logic|betraying feminism]]"? [[Fan Dumb|What in the ''FUCK'', ''Digimon'' fandom?!]]
**Poor, poor Sora. In ''[[Digimon Adventure]]'', she wore jeans for most of the series (what with getting sucked into the Digital World while at summer camp.) She is known to have been on Taichi's soccer team. Come ''Adventure 02'', she's playing tennis and is wearing a skirt while doing so. This apparently qualifies as epic [[Chickification]] and the utter destruction of her character.
***Let's not forget that one time when Sora caught the [[Distress Ball]] by panicking ''when she was about to get crushed by debris'', and her boyfriend Yamato had to bail her out while the others ran away. Somehow that's [[Chickification]] too, even when Sora [[Win Back the Crowd|made a comeback]] by [[Lovely Angels|teaming up]] with the also [[White Knighting|"feminist"-maligned]] Miyako in Moscow. ''Noooooo'', having a [[Shorttank]] get scared ''once'' in a ''single scene'' [[Never Live It Down|apparently means she's an horrible weakling for the rest of her life]].
***And then there's how Sora both needed and gave help to others in both series, and a big theme in her [[Character Development]] was how she had horrible self-esteem and thought she didn't deserve love and support, and had to get over it ''with the help of others'' (Taichi, Piyomon, Yamato and Jou). But that doesn't matter, let's just remark how she fails forever and chalk it ALL on mere, pure [[Chickification]]...oh wait. (And how many times has she been added to that trope ''despite'' how it's been discussed more than once that ''it's not that freaking simple''?!)
*In ''[[Demashita! Powerpuff Girls Z]]'', Buttercup is shown to be reluctant to join the group because it would require her to wear a skirt. Later she breaks her own code by wearing one in order to get the attention of a boy she has a crush on, but realizes that she prefers her boyfriend to like her as she is and not for what she pretends to be.
**Simultaneously averted by the other girls who, despite being more feminine, are not shown to be any weaker or less determined, just having different personalities.
**Despite the fact that she isn't complaining about the skirt anymore, [[Berserk Button|don't mention it to Buttercup]]. [[Never Live It Down|Just don't.]]
*''[[Fate Stay Night]]'' [[Deconstructed Trope|deconstructs this trope]] with [[Lady of War]] Saber. She pretended to be a man and fought on the front lines of battle for all of her human life. At some level she never really wanted to do these things, but she accepted them because they were her duty as [[King Arthur]]. As a result, though, she has no sense of self-worth, and can only feel fulfilled by serving other people. The main character Shirou realizes that even though she is a supremely skilled warrior, she would be happier if she didn't ''force'' herself to fight.
**Let's not forget Rin Tohsaka, who wears her hair in [[Girlish Pigtails]] and uses skirt-based [[Zettai Ryouiki]], yet she manages to both be pretty ''and'' badass regardless.
**Sakura Matou tends to receive this, as she's [[Tomboy and Girly Girl|more homely and girlier]] than Rin, even though she has [[Rape as Backstory|a very good]] [[Training From Hell|reason]] [[Freudian Excuse|for being like this]]. Her actions in ''Heaven's Feel'' tend not to help either (even though it's rather debatable if she's to blame for ''any'' of them, and she's certainly not to blame for the most serious ones).
***Also inverted in that Shirou, the main hero of the story, has so many features of [[The Chick]], especially in contrast to the female characters. Moreso in the visual novel, where he's shown to be on top of all things domestic, [[Supreme Chef|and the one Sakura learned to cook from]].
***Ironically, he often takes a [[Stay in the Kitchen]] attitude towards girls, especially Saber and (more justifiably, since she's very ill and actually ''does'' need his help) Sakura, although this is seemingly less about them being weak and more because he doesn't want them to get hurt since [[Martyr Without a Cause|he's got such low self worth]] that he can't believe others would sacrifice themselves for him.
**A recurring element in the [[Nasuverse]] is extremely powerful females (often most powerful in the series), both physically and mentally, with big responsibilities. Nonetheless, every single one of them wear either a dress, a skirt, a kimono, or some kind of dressy attire. The only exceptions are the Aozaki sisters and Rider in her casual clothing (though Aoko does wear a skirt as part of her school uniform in her younger days). The dresses do nothing that diminishes their strength as a character, though, and most have better things to worry about than what it is they're wearing and petty gender wars on dress codes; with the exception of Saber, since her battle dress manages to provide her with protection.
*The ''[[Inuyasha]]'' fandom was literally up in arms with RAEG when the [[Grand Finale]] revealed that Sango was [[Happily Married]] to Miroku ''and'' was the mother of their three kids. Nevermind that she had ''just given birth'' to their youngest, that Sango actually ''lost'' her whole family ''very'' early in the story (except for Kohaku, but the deal with the poor boy was ''[[Brainwashed and Crazy|a whole other bag of cats]]'') ''and'' that she had willingly agreed to marry Miroku (AKA Mr. "Please Bear My Child") quite a while ago, already knowing ''exactly'' what she was getting into and what to expect from her soon-to-be [[Handsome Lech]] husband, the [[Fan Dumb|Fan Dumb's]] cries of "SANGO GOT TURNED INTO A STUPID BABY POPPER" and "TAKAHASHI IS SEXIIIIIIIST!" were heard from miles away.
**And before ''that'', there were fans who called Kagome "weak" and "useless" because she didn't ''immediately'' begin kicking ass when she first dropped into [[Jidai Geki|Feudal Japan]] like Sango did in her first appearance, and - le gasp! - [[Neutral Female|needed to be rescued from some monsters]] by [[The Hero|Inuyasha]]. Never mind that Kagome was an [[Ordinary High School Student]] who most likely wouldn't have prior monster-slaying experience, unlike Sango, who was ''specifically trained'' for it, or that Inuyasha [[Sealed Badass in a Can|wouldn't even have been released from the tree]] were it not for her, or that she ''did'' develop into a true [[Action Girl]] over the course of the series; she's not the [[Action Girl]] paragon that Sango (who, incidentally, is constantly seen [[Silk Hiding Steel| wearing very feminine kimonos outside of combat]] ''and'' [[Hime Cut|has extremely long and femininely-worn hair]]) is! She's also been derided as "emo" and "whiny" by fans who take offense to her actually being ''affected'' by the fact that her past self Kikyo has been resurrected and has proven herself to be better than Kagome in many things, even though she pretty much stopped angsting after the volume where Inuyasha told her that he didn't think of her as Kikyo's replacement; or even as a "slut/whore" by those who accuse her of flirting with every guy that crosses her path, even though she never showed anything more than friendly respect to any guy who wasn't Inuyasha.
***What makes it worse is that Kagome was actually the one who dealt the final blow to [[Big Bad|Naraku]] with her arrow.
*Despite her [[Action Girl]] qualities, Lenalee Lee of ''[[D Gray Man]]'' is abhorred by some fans, who just love to fling accusations of her being either a [[Purity Sue]] or a [[Flat Character]] because she's girlish, pretty and sweet outside of battle. Ah, and because [[Ms. Fanservice|she dares to]] [[She's Got Legs|have nice legs]].
**And she gets accused of being a [[Faux Action Girl]] just because she was temporarily [[Brought Down to Normal]] because of a [[Game-Breaking Injury]], even though [[Double Standard|the same thing happened to Allen and nobody hates him for it]].
**Mostly averted with Miranda, fortunately. [[Barrier Warrior|Non-action role?]] Check. [[Shrinking Violet|Shy, gentle nature?]] Check. [[Silk Hiding Steel|Wears dresses sometimes?]] Check. Yet she's liked by a good portion of the fanbase, even by some of the most rabid Lenalee-haters.
*''[[Death Note]]'' doesn't portray ladies that well, yeah. But fandom makes it even worse by bashing Takada and Misa for being "whores" because of their behavior towards Light, even when their devotion to him makes it very likely that their only sexual partner was him... meaning they're the opposite. Then there's the Halle hate and how her [[Shower Scene]] makes her a cheap hooker, and how dare Sayu not be an [[Action Girl]] and free herself from Mello singlehandedly, despite being just an [[Ordinary High School Student]].
**Naomi Misora, despite being arguably the strongest, smartest and most well-developed female character in Death Note, tends to get bashed a lot and have her badassery negated by those who focus on her positive reaction to her boyfriend's reluctance to let her become involved and risk herself, even worse in that he mentioned a possible future of motherhood as part of the reason. These same fans also blame her for Light managing to trick her name out of her, even though it was an incredibly intelligent ploy that played on her vulnerability, her knowledge that the police had a leak to Kira so it wasn't safe to contact them through normal channels, and the sheer unliklihood that she would run into Kira by pure chance.
*Heck, this subset of [[Fan Dumb]] is so ''incredibly'' prominent in anime fandom it's actually been noted as a weird thing and an uncommon [[Averted Trope|aversion]] that the ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]'' fandom has (almost wholly) taken Nanoha [[Retired Badass|going on leave from her military career]] for a long while to become a mother to Vivio incredibly well, as well as the fact that extremely few fans demean Fate Testarossa [[Yamato Nadeshiko|for being a softspoken, motherly, pacifistic, and caring (to the point of being addressed as "Girly Worrywart" in-story) woman]]. Of course, this might be because [[Badass Adorable]] is like half the point of the show, so the intended demograhic is by definition perfectly aware one can be cute or feminine and ''still carry a damn big stick''...
*In the original ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' dub, where the main focus is on [[The Power of Friendship]], no matter what shape those friends take, who is the one character that gets bashed for making speeches to this effect? [[The Heart|Tea]], who is accused of being stupid and useless because that's "all she does". One might ask what they were expecting from [[Ordinary High School Student|an entirely un-supernatural teenage girl]], and the answer would probably have been "learn to play Duel Monsters". [[Sarcasm Mode|Because obviously, having different interests than the male protagonists makes her worthless]]. Not to mention that for a relatively ordinary schoolgirl being thrown into a series where [[Serious Business|Card Games are Serious Business]], magic exists, and her friends' souls are regularly in danger, [[Plucky Girl|she deals with it pretty well]]. But instead of praising her for not freaking out or fleeing at any point, and instead helping out in whatever ways she can, much of the fandom hates her for not being a part of the action.
**Tea ''does'' know how to play Duel Monsters ([[New Rules as the Plot Demands|at least to the extent that anyone in this world does]]) and has once defeated professional duelist Mai Valentine in a duel. Even when Mai forfeited that duel (she had a copy of Harpie's Feather Duster face down, which would have single handedly reversed the tide back in her favor) in order for Tea to receive the star chips to pass on to Yugi, the fact that a [[Plucky Girl]] who knows the basics but has never been in a competition still wants to duel with a professional and is detemined to win still makes Tea pretty awesome.
**To show the extent of this irrational hatred, Tea does roughly as much as Tristan in any given situation and is about as good at Duel Monsters, yet Tristan has no hatedom.
***Really? Tristan is portrayed as a blithering idiot by the fandom. Is that any better?
**Also, to really hammer the nail in, [[The Hero|Yugi]] and [[The Lancer|Joey]] actually make a lot more friendship speeches than she does. Hell, a fair chunk of their dialogue is about friendship in some way or another. One of the complaints against her is how she's "a useless cheerleader", but reading the manga, guess who the main cheerleader is when Joey is duelling? ''Yami and Yugi''. [[Double Standard|Are they bashed for this? No.]] And it's ''really'' quite scary to see how badly she's bashed and gets called a whore due to the fact that she has both Yugi and Atem as love interests, despite the fact that she doesn't properly date either of them. Despite the fact that she's trying to deal with who she loves more, her close friend or the mysterious stranger, the fact that there's even a ''choice'' makes her a complete slag hoe.
*Lucy from ''[[Fairy Tail]]'' gets this quite a lot. Never mind that she's a strong person who stood up to her [[Jerkass]] of a father, apparently she's no good just because she [[Can't Catch Up]] (how dare she, even though she's been in the guild for nowhere near as long as the others and is slowly but surely improving) and uses [[Summon Magic]] rather than brute strength. [[Sarcasm Mode|Ugh, heresy!]]
**Averted with Erza, who likes to dress up, but is one of the most [[Badass]] characters in the series, and gets little to no flak for it. Then there's [[Beware the Nice Ones|Mirajane]].
*Subverted ''and'' averted with Roberta from ''[[Black Lagoon]]'' This woman is practically the embodiment of [[Badass]] and wears her hair in braids as well a maid dress 95% of the time. Ah, and her motherly/sisterly love for [[Morality Pet|Garcia]], the child she takes care of, is one of her defining traits...[[Mama Bear|and one of the reasons]] ''[[Dark Action Girl|why]]'' [[Implacable Man|she is]] [[Made of Iron|so badass]].
**Balalaika, too. The most powerful and badass woman in [[The Mafiya]] is a long-haired [[Lady of War]] who is seen more often than not [[Hot Chick in a Badass Suit|in a business suit with a long skirt]], and her feminine attire doesn't disminish her badassery either. Maybe [[Good Scars, Evil Scars|the scars have something to do with it]]...or maybe the [[Slasher Smile]]...
*Beautifully averted in ''[[Saiunkoku Monogatari]]''. Female lead Shuurei is able to be successful in a male-dominated society through brains and hard work, and she's allowed to be as feminine as she wants while she's doing it, dammit.
*In the ''[[Code Geass]]'' fandom, Shirley gets bashed to the point of being a [[Ron the Death Eater]], which some people claim is just because she's "weak and stupid" for loving Lelouch and not being more badass and stoic about her situations, even when she's ''genuinely scarred'' by something terrible that happens to her! Her girliness may or may not be cited as a reason, but it's a likely part of it.
**There's also people who bash fearless [[Action Girl]] Kallen for having feelings for Lelouch, saying it makes her seem "weaker".
*And while on the subject of ''[[Code Geass]]''... many, ''many'' female characters from series by [[CLAMP]] have fallen prey to fangirl hate for their femininity, with the most blatant examples being Kotori and Kanoe from ''[[X/1999]]''. Kotori is bashed for being a soft-spoken and mentally-fragile [[Shrinking Violet]], Kanoe is hated for being a sexy [[Femme Fatale]]. Many rants against this [[Double Standard]] are stored in this...[http://clamp-rants.livejournal.com/tag/your%20vagina%20is%20not%20a%20dark%20abyss ''special'' tag from the CLAMP rants comm].
*When ''[[Tsubasa]]'' was released, one of the biggest complains was how Sakura was "reduced into a fucking [[Damsel in Distress]]" and "a weak piece of shit" because she wasn't a carbon copy of her [[Magical Girl Warrior]] original self. Nevermind that she had [[Hidden Depths]] like everyone in the series and she upgraded to [[Action Girl]] [[Girls With Guns|with guns]] in the Tokyo arc, since Sakura wasn't ultra physically active in the beginning she had to OMG DIE.
**The end of the Tokyo arc, involving Sakura going off by herself to retrieve a feather proved that Sakura to be one of the most badass characters in the series when she sets her mind to it. The fight against the monster and the trek leading up to it is one of the most brutal scenes in the series up to that point, along with the injuries she sustains, including [[Fingore|getting her fingernails ripped out]] trying to stop herself from sliding down a sheer cliff, [[Eye Scream|suffering eye injury]], and having a metal pipe ''[[To The Pain|skewered through her ankle.]]'' And despite all this, she still manages to get the feather and make it back. And keep in mind that Sakura had no combat experience up to this point, and that this was all in ''acid rain''. If that doesn't earn her some [[Plucky Girl]] points with the fanbrats, then ''what will''?
*What's that, you say? [[Reolutionary Girl Utena|Utena]] is having an identity crisis over whether or not her desire to be a prince is part of her real personality, and what path she should take in life as part of this [[Coming of Age Story]]? Nonsense! [[Double Standard|She's a dumb slut for daring to be attracted to]] [[White-Haired Pretty Boy|Akio]] and lose her virginity to him! Who cares if she's [[Plucky Girl|strong-willed, determined, and does her best to overcome any character faults that would stop her from making the world a better place?]] Because she challenged Saionjii [[Love Letter Lunacy|over her friend's rejected love letter]], but then was affected by Touga's mind games to the point of an [[Heroic BSOD]], [[Fan Dumb|she's just a girly, airheaded]] [[Attention Whore]]! She should soak her uniform in the blood of anyone who dares look at her funny! And yes, there ''are'' Utena fans who follow this line of reasoning, and it's ''exactly'' as depressing as it sounds.
**This trope is also behind some of the Anthy-bashing that goes on in the fandom; apparently, it's peachy-keen that Akio manipulates and regularly forces himself on his younger sister, but because she's the recipient of it, she's a horrible role model and a disgrace to the female sex. Nevermind that pretty much all of the [[Character Development]] is based on pointing out that these kinds of attitudes are wrong and actively stop people from changing. [[Fan Dumb|Le Sigh.]]
***Ironically, this was actually [[Deconstruction|Deconstructed]] in-series. Some people hate Anthy because they think she's a weak, outwardly emotionless doll who claims to have no opinions outside of the Victor's whims; others hate Anthy because they think she's too powerful and manipulative and evil. And some just hate her because ''she'' gets to sleep with Akio, [[Green-Eyed Monster|and they don't]]. Interestingly, ''the entire spectrum of the fanbase's Anthy-haters are present in the story one way or another:'' Saionji hates her because he thinks she's not obedient enough. (Well, he loves her too, [[Bastard Boyfriend|but beats her often enough to make anyone wonder]]); Juri and Kanae feel threatened both by her [[Emotionless Girl]] persona and [[Devil in Plain Sight|the fear that she might be more sinister]]; several of the Black Rose Duelists (specially Kozue and Wakaba) envy her for "being loved" and "stealing their love interests". Then there's Akio himself, who needs to keep "his woman" under his control in order to keep playing the [[Big Bad]] of the show...Ikuhara really seems to know how society views feminine archetypes, and those views are reflected even in the Utena fandom.
**It's not just the haters; it's her fans too. Some fans, like the characters Miki or at first, Utena, see her as a classic [[Damsel in Distress]] archetype for them to rescue/defend on the forums, in order to boost their own egos. However, it should be noted that people who view Anthy as such are much rarer than the [[Ron the Death Eater|Anthy-Is-Satan variety]], because the series does eventually make clear that Anthy is most definitely not an emotionless doll, but that she is an extremely screwed up [[Broken Bird]] due to how she deconstructs the [[Damsel in Distress]] archetype.
*A wedding motif automatically means that ''[[Wedding Peach]]'' ''must'' be a pile of misogynistic brainwashing destined to convince young girls that they should get married, married, ''married'', and not wish for anything else in their lives? ''Really!?''
*''[[Monster]]'' is a series that brutally deconstructs many, many shonen/seinen tropes. Nina Fortner/Anna Liebert is a [[Deconstruction]] of [[Action Girl]], showing that just because a woman has ass-kicking physical abilities does NOT mean she's automatically immune to the horrifying trauma that Johan (himself a [[Deconstruction]] of the [[Complete Monster]] and [[Magnificent Bastard]] tropes) puts her through. The fandom, however? They refuse to stop think of it and immediately start the wails of [[Chickification]] on sight. One thing is not being satisfied with Nina's [[Character Development]] and thinking it could've handled and/or Deconstructed her trope better, but another is simply pegging her as weak and idiotic for not killing Johan in cold blood when she has the chance.
*Mikan from ''[[Gakuen Alice]]'' gets shit for similar reasons to the previously-mentioned Lucy from ''[[Fairy Tail]]''. So instead of beating up Natsume, Hotaru and others for their treatment of her, she decided to apparently take it, while resolving to start strenghtening herself so they would stop calling her weak? [[Sarcasm Mode|Urgh, what a stupid]] [[Extreme Doormat]] [[Sarcasm Mode|bitch and ''bad'' role model for little girls she is,]] ''[http://caithyra.insanejournal.com/31553.html indeed]''.
*Miaka from ''[[Fushigi Yuugi]]'' gets hit with this a lot. Okay, so can she can be quite [[The Ditz]], she isn't the best in her class, [[Distress Ball|she does have to be rescued by others at times]], and she is a [[Big Eater]]; but according to her haters, she is "extremely stupid", "very weak", "always has to be rescued" and "has every guy in love with her", despite the fact that only four or five guys at most feel that way about her, and certainly not the entirety of the Suzaku Seven. Meanwhile, her [[Plucky Girl]] qualities get completely ignored for the sake of the aforementioned bashing. There's a reason why she is used as the icon for the "Hated Characters" group from [[Live Journal|LiveJournal]], you know.
**It gets worse. Fans of the prequel series ''[[Fushigi Yuugi Genbu Kaiden]]'' love to crow on about how Takiko is superior to Miaka in every way for being a "strong" and "mature" [[Action Girl]] who can take care of herself. This would be annoying enough by itself (for starters, the fans forget that Takiko is both older than Miaka and from an earlier time period, so she'll naturally be more mature because of the culture she grew up in) but a few people have gone as far as to say they'd be personally offended if Takiko dies at the end of Genbu Kaiden while Miaka got to live and be with Tamahome... even though that's a [[Foregone Conclusion]] ''as indicated in the original manga''! That's right, there are fans who want to see a [[Retcon]] ''solely'' because they hate Miaka and love Takiko so much. [[Fan Dumb|Make of that what you will.]]
*Kaoru Kamiya, full stop. Sure, she's not the top fighter in the RK world, but the utter crap she gets for being emotional and not having nerves of steel... eugh. And for worse, those who bash Kaoru the most often call themselves "feminists who protest for how anime/manga craps on women!" Such hypocrites.
**The Jin-E incident has to be seen to be believed. As far as her bashers are concerned, all Kaoru did was end up fainting. Not only that, they assume that she only recovered because Jin-E killed himself....which is made doubly ridiculous because: a) until she was put in the [[And I Must Scream]] situation, Kaoru was remarkably calm about being kidnapped by the local Knight of Cerebus, something that would very understandably send others in absolute BSOD's; b) Kaoru broke off said [[And I Must Scream]] situation ''by herself'', which Jin-E himself acknowledged; c) Kaoru breaking free and thus outgambitting him was one of the reasons why Jin-E killed himself in the first place (aside of having Kenshin-as-Battousai cripple him before almost giving him the fatal hit that Kaoru ultimately stopped.)
*Sanae Nakazawa's pluckiness and cheerful disposition is often ignored or handwaved by "feminist" fangirls, who bash her by falsely accusing her of being "weak", "a stalker", "a whore" and "a bad example for girls" because she's less tomboyish as time passes. Blame the Values Dissonance of the 80's shonen manga, not her!
• Maka Albarn from Soul Eater went through rather emotionally-hard experiences in the Envy and Sloth chapters of the Book of Eibon, needing Soul's help (as any person in her position would) to both pull through it and also to defeat an ultra Ax Crazy Giriko in full Yandere-for-Arachne mode. According to fandom, though? Aknowledging that bravery isn't the only thing needed to overcome difficulties and that punching evils with the Fist Of Courage isn't the magical key to victory is "OMFG CHIIICKIFICAAAAATIOOOOON". Bet that if Soul had been though exactly the same thing, these "feminists" would cream their panties and call him the biggest Woobie ever, instead. ◦ Not to mention, Death the Kid was a Distressed Dude and even had a brief Face Heel Turn in that same arc, but Maka is a weak and stupid bitch because of what happened to her while they don't say anything about him. Double Standard, indeed.
• Aoi Sakuraba. Dear Gods, Aoi Sakuraba. She's a slut, she's a Extreme Doormat, she's a stupid bitch, she is less worthy of Kaoru's love than "super strong girl" Tina... any kind of sexist insult, Aoi has had it thrown at her for being a Yamato Nadeshiko.
• Poor Keiko Yukimura. Not only she is being assaulted by the Yaoi Fangirls, she is also being accused by "anime feminists" for not being an Action Girl.
• Madoka Kaname from Puella Magi Madoka Magica is accused of being "weak" and "a bad role model for girls" because she is more hesitant at being a magical girl than the others because of the emotional damage she's gone through and because she reacted in a realistic way when she and Sayaka witnessed her Big Sister Mentor Mami getting horribly eaten alive. And what's worse, fans of Kyouko Sakura used this platform to bash Madoka on how she's an "ultra-cool-and-strong" girl instead of a "weak, angsty" girl like Madoka. (Not to mention, in their quest for a "feminist role model" in the series, the Fan Dumb also flanderizes Kyouko into an Ax Crazy Draco in Leather Pants, instead of the very complex character she truly turned out to be). Geez... ◦ Mind you this only applies to the current time-line that Madoka is in. In the other time-lines that are shown, she is a lot more headstrong that her current portrayal. In a odd sense of irony, the same traits used to vilify Madoka can be used against Homura Akemi, since it turns out that when she first started, Homura then and the current Madoka are alot alike. Still this being Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Homura being all cute, weepy, shy and adorable simply doesn't last nearly as long.
◦ And while a part of the Hitomi Shizuki hatedom comes from her being more assertive in romance than Sayaka, at least enough to tell Sayaka straightforwardly that she will confess her feelings for Kamijou if Sayaka doesn't take the initiative - and doing it, a part of it comes back to this trope. Apparently being both a girly girl and more honest/outspoken with her thoughts and feelings than a tomboy is forbidden, and if a said girly girl dares "break" that unspoken rule, she's a whore and a bad person. ◾ And the "feminist fandom" also conveniently "forgets" that Magical Madoka is likely to be the most powerful Magical Girl... and then become almost instantly the most powerful Witch as well as the destructor of the Earth. Taking levels in badass brings huge consequences in this series, but that particular Fan Dumb group doesn't seem to give a shit and DEMANDS for Madoka to ignore them so she can "become a strong female character" that fits their inhumanly huge standards of what a "worthy woman" should be. URGH.
◾ And for that matter, girls young enough to need role models probably shouldn't be watching Madoka Magica.
• In Freezing, it's interesting to try to apply this trope to the main character, Sattelizer L. Bridgette. As a child, she was sexually abused by her half-brother, resulting in her have a paralyzing fear of being touched. At her mother's deathbed, she was told to never give up and not take shit from anyone any longer, and a little later on she became a Super Soldier Action Girl. However, rather that this solving all her problems as per this trope, this in fact did not help at all, as this did nothing for her fear and resulting in her savagely beating the crap out of anyone who came close to her, causing her to be feared and hated by all. It's only when she falls in love with a male, Aoi Kazuya, the first guy to be nice to her, that she slowly starts to get over her problems and work on them.
*Fans of Mai Hime have accused Akira Okuzaki of Chickification for wearing girlier clothes towards the end of the story. Not only it ignores that several of the HiMe are actually rather feminine girls or use their feminine wiles for their purposes (Shizuru is a Lady of War, Natsuki is a Gunslinger who wears her hair very long and loves collecting lingerie, Mai herself is very motherly and a [[Supreme Chef]], Nao is a [[Fille Fatale]] who uses [[Zettai Ryouiki]], etc.), but also "forget" that the main reason Akira dressed up as a guy is that she was trying to hide the fact that she was a HiMe in the first place, thus she started wearing skirts only when her mission was over and had no real reason to hide her gender, therefore it was okay to indulge herself a little in girlier stuff if she wanted to. Girliness Upgrade, yeah; Chickification, uhm, no.
*Both averted and not-so-averted in Tiger & Bunny:
**There hasn't been much backlash against the scene in the Grand Finale during which Pao-Lin/Dragon Kid puts on a cute sundress before an outing with her parents. This is probably because it's easy to interpret it as her reaching a compromise with them about acting a little girlier instead of rebelling all the time, rather than as a sign of her relinquishing her determined boyishness.
**In contrast, many people complain about Karina/Blue Rose's role as [[Smitten Teenage Girl]] where Kotetsu is concerned, under the notion that it has become "her only character trait", whining about how she "never gets any character development". Note that Karina is not a main character, and yet is the only member of the supporting cast to get anything resembling a proper backstory; her role as an [[Ordinary High School Student]] is intentionally played to provide grounds for her doubts about full-time superheroing and her eventual developement of confidence as a superhero — despite how her sponsors are specifically marketing her as HeroTV's [[Ms. Fanservice]] + [[Faux Action Girl]].
*Nanako Misonoo from Oniisama E gets this from viewers of the anime (especially on YouTube) for being not fighting back from her bullies.
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* The creation of ''[[Wonder Woman]]'' was William Moulton Marston's attempt to address this in society:
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** Completely averted by [[Trish Stratus]] who started out as just another busty, blonde, bit of eye candy, but who took the sport seriously and went on to become one of the most popular and respected female wrestlers in history.
* [http://www.diva-dirt.com/2011/12/21/a-londoners-eye-models-vs-wrestlers-when-did-the-battle-lines-get-drawn-and-why-do-we-have-to-choose/ This article] discusses this trope in relation to the WWE Divas and offers a neutral stance on the debate.
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