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** Those aren't even the worst ones within the same book! Rinkul intended to "[[Rape As Drama|do that pair 'ard'n'slow afore dawnbreak]]" and there's a thoroughly disturbing passage about Gurgan Spearback using a spear to poke around in a hole in the side of the hill which is leaking water ... And the unintentional [[Minion Shipping]] archery thing in ''Salamandastron''. ''And'' the [[Unfortunate Names]]. ''And'' the moles have been known to pronounce "came" as "cummed". ''And'' [[Have a Gay Old Time|"quean"]] [[You Keep Using That Word|does not mean what Mr Jacques says it means]]. And by this point one really has to wonder if he's doing it deliberately.

* [[Adorable Evil Minions]]: If you like rats and mustelids, they can induce a bad case of misplaced squeeing.

* [[Alas, Poor Villain]]: Even if he was a [[Complete Monster]], the way {{spoiler|Ungatt Trunn}} died was absolutely pitiful and painful to read about. Not even he deserved such a cruel death, especially when you look at some other Redwall villains, like [[Moral Event Horizon|Badrang]], [[Chronic Backstabbing Disorder|Mokkan]] and [[Wicked Cultured|Vilu]] [[It's Personal|Daskar]].

** {{spoiler|Captain Plugg Firetail}}, the only interesting villain from ''Triss'' who wasn't a [[Dirty Coward|complete coward]] and [[A Father to His Men|didn't treat his crew like crap]]. All of them were openly upset about his death and even cried over it.

* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: So, was Veil [[Evil All Along]], or was he [[Then Let Me Be Evil|driven to evil]] as a result of a [[Self-Fulfilling Prophecy]] and the self-righteous prejudice of the Abbeydwellers, only to rise above his circumstances to make a [[Heroic Sacrifice]]?

** One season old babes get in fights ''[[Child Soldiers|and kill]] other beasts''. Young teenagers watch close friends die, sometimes in very horrible ways. ''Salamandastron'' is a particularly fun case: Samkim stumbles upon a dead Brother Hal, then is accused of murdering him, and just days later sees several shrews and Spriggat partially eaten by a giant snake. On the Western Shore, a surly teenager is almost eaten alive by reptiles after seeing that her adoptive father is about to be attacked by a military force that vastly outmatches him. To the north, a young otter and a Dibbun are attacked by crows who'd quite like to eat them alive, and is so vastly outnumbered that the next charge will doom him. Back at the Abbey, everyone is dying of the plague. ''No [[Angst]]!''

** Characters tend to cheer up instantly. In ''Loamhedge'', when {{spoiler|Martha learns to walk}}, she is sad because {{spoiler|Bragoon and Saro have risked their lives for no reason.}} When told she would not have managed if they had been there, she replies: "Oh yes. What a silly creature I am." That said, the way that line is acted in the unabridged, full cast audio book, it came across more as her still being upset but accepting someone ''trying'' to make her feel better by saying that.

* [[Anticlimax Boss]]: Pretty much every fight between the protagonist and the [[Big Bad]] that's a [[Curb Stomp Battle]]. It is far easier to list the major villains who ''weren't'' this and put up a good fight or managed to take someone with them in the final battle: Cluny the Scourge, Queen Tsarmina, Ferahgo the Assassin, Ungatt Trunn, Riggu Fells, Gulo the Savage, Zwilt the Shade, and a couple of vipers. Pretty much everyone else were only dangerous as army commanders at best.

** Strangely averted with Badrang in the TV series. The battle between him and Martin was somewhat longer and more epic than in the book.

* [[Ass Pull]]: Some of the [[Big Damn Heroes]] moments. One of the biggest ones occurs in ''Marlfox'' when {{spoiler|Song and Mighty Megraw save Burble, Dann and Dippler from bloodthirsty reptiles}}. What makes it an ass pull is that somehow, {{spoiler|Song found her long lost grandfather ''and'' her long lost aunt ''AND'' it turns out that her grandfather had raised a small group of hedgehog warriors who managed to kill all the reptiles. '''''AND''''' they all managed to find and practically patch up the ''Swallow'', even though it almost split in two after plunging down the waterfall}}. This all happened in about a day by the way.

** There's an even ''[[Up to Eleven|bigger one]]'' at the end of ''Taggerung''. Several otters and Redwallers are about to get into an epic and badass battle with the entire Juskabor clan (which was about ''three hundred soldiers''). Suddenly, {{spoiler|Lord Russano conveniently shows up to visit Lady Cregga Red Eyes' grave, and is accompanied with nearly one thousand Long Patrol hares. Ruggan Bor surrenders almost immediately, and the badger forces his entire clan to crawl away from Redwall in shame}}.