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** The very same book also had this comment, after Log-a-Log shot an arrow into Skaup's paw. There's nothing weird about it, except the comment was "ribald." Look up the word ribald. ''Now'' read this comment and you'll find it to be strange...

{{quote| "Be sure t'bring that arrow with ye, 'twas a good shaft!" }}

** Those aren't even the worst ones within the same book! Rinkul intended to "[[Rape As Drama|do that pair 'ard'n'slow afore dawnbreak]]" and there's a thoroughly disturbing passage about Gurgan Spearback using a spear to poke around in a hole in the side of the hill which is leaking water ... And the unintentional [[Minion Shipping]] archery thing in ''Salamandastron''. ''And'' the [[Unfortunate Names]]. ''And'' the moles have been known to pronounce "came" as "cummed". ''And'' [[Have a Gay Old Time|"quean"]] [[You Keep Using That Word|does not mean what Mr Jacques says it means]]. And by this point one really has to wonder if he's doing it deliberately.

** Those aren't even the worst ones within the same book! Rinkul intended to "[[Rape as Drama|do that pair 'ard'n'slow afore dawnbreak]]" and there's a thoroughly disturbing passage about Gurgan Spearback using a spear to poke around in a hole in the side of the hill which is leaking water ... And the unintentional [[Minion Shipping]] archery thing in ''Salamandastron''. ''And'' the [[Unfortunate Names]]. ''And'' the moles have been known to pronounce "came" as "cummed". ''And'' [[Have a Gay Old Time|"quean"]] [[You Keep Using That Word|does not mean what Mr Jacques says it means]]. And by this point one really has to wonder if he's doing it deliberately.

* [[Adorable Evil Minions]]: If you like rats and mustelids, they can induce a bad case of misplaced squeeing.

* [[Alas, Poor Scrappy]]: {{spoiler|Ovus}}, and to a lesser extent {{spoiler|Prince Bladd}}. Scummy even wrote a poem/eulogy mourning him and {{spoiler|his late captain}}.

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** There's an even ''[[Up to Eleven|bigger one]]'' at the end of ''Taggerung''. Several otters and Redwallers are about to get into an epic and badass battle with the entire Juskabor clan (which was about ''three hundred soldiers''). Suddenly, {{spoiler|Lord Russano conveniently shows up to visit Lady Cregga Red Eyes' grave, and is accompanied with nearly one thousand Long Patrol hares. Ruggan Bor surrenders almost immediately, and the badger forces his entire clan to crawl away from Redwall in shame}}.

** {{spoiler|[[Redemption Equals Death|Veil's death]]}} in ''Outcast'', which came out of ''nowhere''. It seemed like that was thrown in there just...because. And it falls into [[Fridge Logic]], since {{spoiler|Veil}} [[Taking the Bullet|Took The Spear]] for somebeast he had no problem trapping inside of a cave and leaving to die just a few chapters earlier, and he definitely did ''not'' show a change in attitude between then and his [[Heroic Sacrifice]].

* [[Base Breaker]]: Veil Sixclaw from ''Outcast'', so very much. Some people sympathize with him because he's a [[Jerkass Woobie]] with a tragic backstory who always falls victim to [[Fantastic Racism]] by the Redwallers. Others don't give a shit, thought he had an unjustified [[Freudian Excuse]], and considered his subplot [[Trapped By Mountain Lions|to be an absolute waste]]. Some would even go as far as saying [[Ruined FOREVER|he ruined the entire book]].

* [[Base Breaker]]: Veil Sixclaw from ''Outcast'', so very much. Some people sympathize with him because he's a [[Jerkass Woobie]] with a tragic backstory who always falls victim to [[Fantastic Racism]] by the Redwallers. Others don't give a shit, thought he had an unjustified [[Freudian Excuse]], and considered his subplot [[Trapped by Mountain Lions|to be an absolute waste]]. Some would even go as far as saying [[Ruined FOREVER|he ruined the entire book]].

** Felldoh. On one hand, he took the [[Leeroy Jenkins]] route and gradually went from your everyday smart protagonist to a virtually emotionless [[Sociopathic Hero]] who didn't care how many had to die in order to stop Badrang. But on the other hand, he's badass, courageous, and had the balls to {{spoiler|attack Badrang ''by himself'' and humiliate him in front of his entire army by whipping him like a slave}}. And unlike Martin, Felldoh didn't waste his time dealing with a bunch of [[Wacky Wayside Tribe|Wacky Wayside Tribes]]. Killing [[The Mole|Druwp]] certainly helped in his favors as well.

** Horty is either a hilarious [[Butt Monkey]] [[Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass|who has his occasional badass moments]], or he's a [[Wangst|whiny]], [[The Scrappy|annoying]] hare.

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** Jacques' questionable grasp on continuity probably doesn't help.

** Neither does the incessant amount of [[Black and White Morality]] and [[Always Chaotic Evil]] that rubbed some people the wrong way.

** At some point, Redwall subplots were forced into each book, and many of them had little or [[Trapped By Mountain Lions|no relation to the main plot]].

** At some point, Redwall subplots were forced into each book, and many of them had little or [[Trapped by Mountain Lions|no relation to the main plot]].

* [[Kick the Dog]]: Many villains do it a few times per book, but even good guys aren't immune from time to time.

* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Rasconza.

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** {{spoiler|[[Ensemble Darkhorse|Plugg Firetail]]}}.

* [[Toy Ship]]: Canon example - [[Word of God]] is that Matthias and Cornflower were about thirteen during the ''Redwall'' time period, and they married at the end of the book. And had a kid by sixteen, probably a season earlier.

* [[Trapped By Mountain Lions]]: If a novel doesn't involve the [[Big Bad]] trying to take over Redwall, but there is still a Redwall subplot involved, it probably falls under this trope. Some examples include...

* [[Trapped by Mountain Lions]]: If a novel doesn't involve the [[Big Bad]] trying to take over Redwall, but there is still a Redwall subplot involved, it probably falls under this trope. Some examples include...

** The Ironbeak subplot in ''Mattimeo'', which has nothing to do with Matthias' journey to rescue Mattimeo and slay Slagar.

** The Dryditch Fever subplot in ''Salamandastron''.