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== Fan Fiction ==
== Fan Fiction ==
* This comes up in the ''[[Harry Potter and The Methods of Rationality]]'' outtake dealing with ''[[The Matrix]]'', at the bottom of [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5782108/64/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality this page].
* This comes up in the ''[[Harry Potter and The Methods of Rationality]]'' outtake dealing with ''[[The Matrix]]'', at the bottom of [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5782108/64/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality this page].
{{quote| '''Morpheus''': The machines tell elegant lies.<br />
{{quote|'''Morpheus''': The machines tell elegant lies.
''(Pause.)''<br />
''(Pause.)''
'''Neo''' ''(in a small voice)'': Could I please have a real physics textbook?<br />
'''Neo''' ''(in a small voice)'': Could I please have a real physics textbook?
'''Morpheus''': There is no such thing, Neo. The universe doesn't run on math. }}
'''Morpheus''': There is no such thing, Neo. The universe doesn't run on math. }}


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* ''[[Good Omens]]'' fits this pretty nicely, since within the book the universe really is about 6000 years old (having been created in 4004 BC), [[The Bible]] is pretty literally correct, etc. Scientists aren't exactly portrayed as ''bad,'' just kind of pointless. ("The whole business with the fossilized dinosaur skeletons was a joke the palaeontologists haven't seen yet.")
* ''[[Good Omens]]'' fits this pretty nicely, since within the book the universe really is about 6000 years old (having been created in 4004 BC), [[The Bible]] is pretty literally correct, etc. Scientists aren't exactly portrayed as ''bad,'' just kind of pointless. ("The whole business with the fossilized dinosaur skeletons was a joke the palaeontologists haven't seen yet.")
** Let's not forget that by the end {{spoiler|it's been proven that even the immortal creatures who have existed more or less since the dawn of time (the angels and demons) don't really have any idea what's going on either; they're just better at pretending they do.}} As the book puts it,
** Let's not forget that by the end {{spoiler|it's been proven that even the immortal creatures who have existed more or less since the dawn of time (the angels and demons) don't really have any idea what's going on either; they're just better at pretending they do.}} As the book puts it,
{{quote| "God does not play dice with the universe. He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players <ref>i.e., everybody </ref>, to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who ''smiles all the time''."}}
{{quote|"God does not play dice with the universe. He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players <ref>i.e., everybody </ref>, to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who ''smiles all the time''."}}
* In ''[[American Gods]]'' one character comments on the pity he feels for confused scientists when they find a skull or skeleton which doesn't quite fit the established patterns in the area. This is because the scientists are completely ignorant of the real reasons these objects are there: Egyptians landed in America thousands of years ago. He insinuates that they will always be incorrect because their scientific reasoning will not allow them to reach this conclusion.
* In ''[[American Gods]]'' one character comments on the pity he feels for confused scientists when they find a skull or skeleton which doesn't quite fit the established patterns in the area. This is because the scientists are completely ignorant of the real reasons these objects are there: Egyptians landed in America thousands of years ago. He insinuates that they will always be incorrect because their scientific reasoning will not allow them to reach this conclusion.
* Aversion (and possibly deconstruction): ''Distress'' by [[Greg Egan]] has [[Strawman Political|characters]] attempting all three originally mentioned attacks on science, and corresponding defenses of science. His repudiation of the notion of science "only being valid for white men in Europe" is given in a speech by a black South African physicist, who points out that what she and all her colleagues have discovered applies equally to every cubic Planck in the observable universe and that logic doesn't care what gonads you have.
* Aversion (and possibly deconstruction): ''Distress'' by [[Greg Egan]] has [[Strawman Political|characters]] attempting all three originally mentioned attacks on science, and corresponding defenses of science. His repudiation of the notion of science "only being valid for white men in Europe" is given in a speech by a black South African physicist, who points out that what she and all her colleagues have discovered applies equally to every cubic Planck in the observable universe and that logic doesn't care what gonads you have.
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== Live-Action TV ==
== Live-Action TV ==
* ''[[Arrested Development (TV series)|Arrested Development]]'' has this wonderful scene
* ''[[Arrested Development (TV series)|Arrested Development]]'' has this wonderful scene
{{quote| '''Gob:''' So, a young neighborhood tough by the name of Steve Holt's gonna be here any minute...<br />
{{quote|'''Gob:''' So, a young neighborhood tough by the name of Steve Holt's gonna be here any minute...
'''Michael:''' Your son.<br />
'''Michael:''' Your son.
'''Gob:''' According to him...<br />
'''Gob:''' According to him...
'''Michael:''' And a DNA test.<br />
'''Michael:''' And a DNA test.
'''Gob:''' I heard the jury's still out on science. }}
'''Gob:''' I heard the jury's still out on science. }}
* Krzysztof Kieślowski's ''Decalogue I'': professor father and genius son think everything can be understood in mathematics and solved through their computer. The computer is able to calculate what the mother is doing, but comes up blank when the son asks what she is dreaming of (a religious aunt is able to provide the answer: she is dreaming of her son of course). The son goes skating on a frozen lake, because the computer says the ice will hold three times his weight. The ice breaks and the son is frozen to death.
* Krzysztof Kieślowski's ''Decalogue I'': professor father and genius son think everything can be understood in mathematics and solved through their computer. The computer is able to calculate what the mother is doing, but comes up blank when the son asks what she is dreaming of (a religious aunt is able to provide the answer: she is dreaming of her son of course). The son goes skating on a frozen lake, because the computer says the ice will hold three times his weight. The ice breaks and the son is frozen to death.
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** "[[Subverted Trope|For scientists, this can be the hardest thing about dreams.]]" Averted in general. "[[Catch Phrase|Science: It works, bitches.]]"
** "[[Subverted Trope|For scientists, this can be the hardest thing about dreams.]]" Averted in general. "[[Catch Phrase|Science: It works, bitches.]]"
* In ''[[Gunnerkrigg Court]]'', Gillitie Wood holds to Ethereal Tenet, which seems to boil down to belief that magic and the universe can't (and shouldn't) be explained.
* In ''[[Gunnerkrigg Court]]'', Gillitie Wood holds to Ethereal Tenet, which seems to boil down to belief that magic and the universe can't (and shouldn't) be explained.
{{quote| '''Tom Siddell:''' Etherial Tenet can be summarised as "It just does, okay?"}}
{{quote|'''Tom Siddell:''' Etherial Tenet can be summarised as "It just does, okay?"}}
** The court itself is quite keen on "ethereal science" whether they can come up with a working theory of magic is yet to be seen.
** The court itself is quite keen on "ethereal science" whether they can come up with a working theory of magic is yet to be seen.