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* Mr. Hyde in ''[[The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen]]'': '...sorrow is like fine wine....'

* X-51 attempts a [[True Neutral]] version of this in ''Earth X'' after Uatu the Watcher convinces him to {{spoiler|pretend to}} delete his human programming. {{spoiler|Surprisingly, Uatu doesn't see through him.}}

'''X-51:''' There is no good, Uatu. You told me this yourself. Just as there is no evil. }}

* In ''Judgement on Gotham'', [[Batman|The Scarecrow]] is able to incapacitate [[Judge Dredd|Judge Death]] by injecting him with a formula that causes him to hallucinate his greatest fears - fluffy bunnies, [[My Little Pony|pink ponies]], and [[Good Hurts Evil|other cute things]].

* The Blue Meanies in ''[[Yellow Submarine]]''. They even say "no" instead of "yes". [[Fridge Logic|Try not to think too hard about that..]]

* The movie ''[[Igor]]'' is set in this kind of world.

* The inhabitants of Halloweentown in ''[[The Nightmare Before Christmas]]''. They say "How awful" when they see something they like and Dr. Finklestein says "Curiosity killed the cat" when he is praising Jack for wanting to do scientific research.

** Subverted when Jack's girlfriend Sally is - in all seriousness - trying to tell him that his plan to take over the Christmas holiday will likely end in disaster, which is something he does ''not'' want.

'''Jack [misunderstanding]:''' Wonderful! }}

 

== Films -- Live-Action ==

* ''[[Time Bandits]]''

'''Evil:''' No, it'll pass, it'll pass. }}

* This is how the devils speak in ''H-E Double Hockey Sticks'':

** Of course, the original definition of ''awful'' was "filling one with awe," so that it meant almost exactly the same thing as ''awesome''. A subversion, then?

* ''[[Batman (film)|Batman]]'': [[The Joker]] joins Vicki Vale for a "date" in a museum café and looks over her portfolio of photographs. He dismissively flips through some shots of fashion models ("Crap, crap, crap...") before coming to a group of photos depicting mass graves in a war-torn foreign land. He reacts as if they are works of great beauty and genius.

* ''[[The Princess Bride (film)|The Princess Bride]]'':

'''Count Rugen:''' You must be that little Spanish brat I taught a lesson to all those years ago. Simply incredible. Have you been chasing me all your life, only to fail now? I think that's the worst thing I've ever heard. How marvellous. }}

** Rugen takes delight in torture and imprisonment; while he's [[The Dragon]] instead of the villain, he's a far, far more vile character for his open and brutal sadism. [[Even Evil Has Standards|Even he, though, is repulsed by the concept of draining fifty years out of Wesley]] - unless it's only that now he doesn't have a subject for his torture experiments.

* [[The Bible|Isaiah 5:20]] has "woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter", making this [[Older Than Feudalism]].

* There are hints of this in the vermin's behaviour in [[Redwall]], though it doesn't entirely define them and some of them have expressed good traits (though that really just throws their horrible behaviour into sharp relief). A [[Villain Song]] in ''Triss'' expresses the GIB&BIG view specifically:

Aye, us bad'uns loves to 'ear that mournful sound!" }}

* [[Friedrich Nietzsche]] describes those who consider pity good and power and success bad as slave moralists; he believes this to be an anti-human mentality.

== Live-Action TV ==

* ''[[Doctor Who]]'', "Pyramids of Mars":

'''Sutekh:''' Evil? Your evil is my good. I am Sutekh the Destroyer. Where I tread, I leave nothing but dust and darkness...I find that good! }}

** A more subtle example occurs in "Blink":

'''Sally Sparrow''': It's happy for deep people. }}

* In ''[[LazyTown]]'', one of Robbie Rotten's songs is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4CTC_01mAQ "Good to be Bad"].

But smiling makes my face hurt and happiness is vile. }}

* ''[[The Addams Family]]'' are a lesser version of this. Specifically, they find disgusting things lovely, and torture as good family fun. But they are very polite and try not to comment on those weirdos with the sickening love of flowers.

* Oscar the Grouch from ''[[Sesame Street]]'' is like this at times. He once got into [[Logic Bomb|a bit of a logical conundrum]] when he realized being mad made him happy, and being happy made him mad, "Which makes me happy, which makes me mad, which makes me happy, which makes me mad..."

** He even had a song about this:

To be happy when you're sad! }}

::(Yes, that was [[Ear Worm|written from memory]])

* In ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'', bad guys often celebrate evil as though it were a religion. Spike once makes a reference to helping Giles "out of the evilness of his heart".

* Lexi from ''[[ANT Farm]]''

* Villains in ''[[Charmed]]'' can harbor this attitude at times. For example, during one of Cole's attempts to get Phoebe back in his mad downfall period Piper once asked him how he could be so evil. His reply?

* Gittle the [[Cute Witch]] on the 1970s educational show ''Curiosity Shop'' would sometimes exclaim, "Oh my badness!" (She was actually about as evil as [[Winnie the Pooh]]).

* A cat food commercial showed a [[Hot Witch]] who, every time she said something about how her [[Familiar]] cat loved this particular food, would pause to add, "I hate that word 'love'."

== Music ==

* Played straight in Seven Stones by Genesis.

* [[The Rolling Stones]] "Sympathy for the Devil":

And all the sinners saints }}

* From the ''[[Austin Powers]]'' soundtrack, "Dr Evil" by [[They Might Be Giants]]:

Which is the evilest thing of all... }}

* Voltaire's "Evil".

* [[They Might Be Giants|John Linnell's]] "Maine" from ''State Songs'', is like this for the viewpoint character - "Th Hell from above" and "The Heaven below" in different choruses.

 

* Demons in ''[[Disgaea]]'' do this; it's mostly [[Poke the Poodle|played for comedy]].

* Eddie Riggs does this while trying to control some sort of demon-walker-thing in ''[[Brutal Legend]]''.

'''Eddie''': Evil, I meant evil graces! Aah, sonofa- }}

* Played perfectly straight in ''[[Overlord]]'' series. The main voice of this is Gnarl.

* [[Super Mario Bros.|Bowser Koopa]] has some minor traits of this, with at least one example present in the spin-off ''Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time'', where he loves Thwomp Volcano for being "hot, stinky, dangerous, and one humongous fire hazard". [[Super Mario Bros Super Show|King Koopa]] (his cartoon alter-ego) invoked this trope a lot more often, however.

** Liking Thwomp Volcano could just be a case of narcissism though.

* The Dimension of Pain demons from ''[[Sluggy Freelance]]'' are like this big time. They can't stand the scent of flowers, consider relaxing massages a form of torture, and will refuse to use anything they deem too "efficient and functional."

* A long defunct webcomic called ''[[Bards Tale]]'' featured a god of evil and his daughter, who invariably spoke like this.

'''Daughter:''' ''with cheery smile'' I hate you, too, daddy! }}

* Castle Heterodyne of ''[[Girl Genius]]'', having the [[Genius Loci|personality]] of evil, bloodthirsty, and megalomaniacal Faustus Heterodyne, acts in this manner.

'''Castle Heterodyne:''' "Good." ...Hrm, perhaps...You could phrase it some '''other way'''? }}

* In ''[[Dinosaur Comics]]'', [http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=35 Evil T-Rex] from the [[Mirror Universe]] describes his glee thus:

* Khrima of ''[[Adventurers]]'' challenges when his henchman plays "Nice" in a game of Scrabble, attempting to pronounce the word as "nee-kay".

* ''[[Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures|DMFA]]'': Kria is dissapointed that her daughter [http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_341.php doesn't go on rampages] and [http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1045.php break the furniture]:

'''Kria''': Lorenda! You get back down here and throw a tantrum in this room full of rare fragile vases or else! }}

* ''[[Blip]]'': An [[Horny Devil|incubus]] nearly dies of a purifying infection, and his heart transplant needs to corrupted before it starts functioning.

** Not played completely straight, since when Jim tells him that since Jim hates losing, Evil Jim must revel in it, but Evil Jim says that he shouldn't be so literal.

* In ''[[Barbie and the Diamond Castle]]'', the extended version of Lydia's [[Villain Song]] is like this.

** Also, one of her first lines is "The world is really a very small and dark place. Just how I like it!"

* Sir Darkly from ''[[Sushi Pack]]'' is made of this trope.

* Bramble, [[The Big Bad]] of the ''[[Bitsy Bears]]'' pilot cartoon not only cuts the heads off a bouquet of flowers and declares it a marked improvement, but hates the "happy sounds" of the Honey Bear Fair amusement park and plots to put a stop to it for good. In fact, the Bitsy Bears describe her as a bear that "forgot how to be happy."

* The villains for the ''[[P.J. Sparkles]]'' pilot cartoon are probably the most distilled version of this trope. The Cloak and his wife Betty revel in the dreary Twinkle Town, enjoy spreading filth, and get a headache and indigestion, respectively, when exposed to sunlight. So they're not pleased to find that PJ has suddenly made Twinkle Town match its name.

* Lucius Heinous VII from ''[[Jimmy Two-Shoes]]''.

** His father, Lucius Heinous VI, even more so. Presumably all of his other predecessors also qualify. Heloise is also an example.

** In one episode, Natasha is giving Boris CPR (or something) while reciting, "In with the bad air; out with the good."

** In another, the following exchange takes place:

'''Boris:''' You know me, I got nothing good! }}

* The Shushu of ''[[Wakfu]]'' run on this being an [[Always Chaotic Evil]] demonic race that lives for destruction. Words like "despicable" are considered compliments and cute things are abhorred.