Honor Before Reason/Live-Action TV: Difference between revisions

** The idea was that it would be wrong because the newly individualized and presumably innocent Borg would also be killed. Also, Picard hoped that its individuality would spread through the collective, so that the Borg would no longer be enemies or would at least be a group that could be negotiated with. {{spoiler|And it worked, except only a part of the Collective was "infected" with individuality (implying that the other, more lethal option would have only taken out part of the Collective as well). Too bad Data's [[Evil Twin]] Lore manipulated them into becoming vicious conquerors.}}

* ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'' gives us the Jem'Hadar. They are programmed to obey the Vorta without question, even when they know better. In one particular instance, a bunch of half-dead Jem'Hadar walk right into a Federation ambush their Vorta sent them into, knowing beforehand he was doing it on purpose so they'd all die and he could defect, simply because they are bred to obey. This serves to make them surprisingly relatable in several episodes.

Remata'Klan: "It is not my life to give up, Captain – and it never was." }}

** The Vorta are likewise bred to obey the Founders. While they never have so suicidal an opportunity to demonstrate this, their loyalty to the Founders is shown to trump reason on occasion.

** Michael Weston is a curious example of this. He lives among shady people and does not mind [[Combat Pragmatist|fighting dirty]]. Yet in a strange sort of way he always [[Knight in Sour Armor|retains a gentlemanly side]]. Even if he would never admit it himself.

* Duncan MacLeod in ''[[Highlander the Series]]'' is another prototype example for this trope. He would accept any challenge, no matter what the the odds, only to prove his honor. He even explained it to Methos in an episode:

'''Methos:''' "--therefore there are occasions when I will not avoid danger." Death before dishonor. }}

** Actually justified considering Duncan is a 16th-century Highland Clansman when such ideals were very much the rule.

** And utterly averted in Methos himself, who only really follows this trope when it comes to his friends. This is illustrated in the episode "Chivalry", right after Duncan MacLeod has disarmed, then released, the episode's ''female'' bad guy, Kristin. As MacLeod starts walking away from Kristin, Methos steps forward.

'''Methos:''' "A man born long before the age of chivalry." (waves his swordpoint toward her sword, which is on the ground next to her) "Pick it up." }}

* Prince Arthur in BBC's ''[[Merlin (TV series)|Merlin]]'' has demonstrated this trope repeatedly, as far back as his risking his life to save Merlin in 1X04, all the way up to {{spoiler|literally putting his neck on the line to keep his word to Morguse}} in late season 2.