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** First, now you're handing Teana the [[Idiot Ball]] to facilitate her defection on top of completely rewriting her character, and I for one will have nothing to do with a plot like that. Second, this doesn't belong in JBM or in Discussion, it belongs on a proper fanfiction forum like [http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=60648 AnimeSuki's Nanoha Fanfiction thread].
** Done and done!! I'm outta here!
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* Why the bloody blue blazes do the dimensional ships have no weapons other than the [[Wave Motion Gun|Arc-en-Ciel]]? It makes it impossible for them to simply disable a ship, rather than destroying it, and it also means that they don't have any weapon that doesn't have a hideously large charge time. At least the [[Forgotten Superweapon|Saint's Cradle]] had magic laser banks. You'd think that an organization as devoted to peace as the TSAB would have some kind of less-guaranteed-lethal weapons.
** Any source for this? As far as I can recall, the only times when this could have come up was with the Book of Darkness (when anything less than the Arc-en-Ciel wouldn't have been enough), and against the Cradle (when they were worried that the full force of the interdimensional fleet would be insufficient). I had assumed that the ships had other combat capabilities that were simply not mentioned due to the lack of [[Ship-to-Ship Combat]] (hah) in the series.
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*** Nanoha mentions that Teana's physical and magical condition are less than optimal.
** There's also one of Teana's flaws as a character that creates a vicious cycle; whenever she makes a mistake, she gets depressed and tries to work harder to make up for it, which often leads to making another mistake (the problem started when she wanted to work hard to make up for almost shooting Subaru during the hotel mission, and her deciding to go on the offensive there was influenced by a desperate need to contribute after believing she didn't do much in Episode 5 or [[Striker S]] Sound Stage 1). This lesson appears to have stuck, because in [[Striker S Sound Stage X]], after {{spoiler|Runessa, Teana's partner for the case gets outed as [[The Mole]]}}, something Teana feels responsible for, she takes a leave of absence and returns to reduced duties for a while.
** It was Nanoha's duty as an instructor to control the situation and mete out discipline, but she chose an overly forceful and counterproductive way to do it. It doesn't matter how safe the shots Nanoha fired were, shooting Teana down was a declaration of hostile intent, whether Nanoha wanted to send that message or not. Mages launch attacks like that at their ''enemies''. Blasting Teana in such a fashion qualifies as assault since it was clearly painful, it caused unconcsiousness (even though that unconsciousness was exacerbated by Teana's physical condition) and it caused low-grade medical trauma. (The show states that Teana can't help the Forwards repel the drones that show up, since Teana can't risk further strain on her body after being hit with Nanoha's shots.) Shooting Teana like that was along the bounds of a [[Real Life]] drill instructor tasering a recalcitrant student.
*** Did you not notice the knife-attack Teana used on Nanoha? You know... how it cut up Nanoha's hand, and how Tea's intended strategy was for Subaru to distract Nanoha so she ''wouldn't be able to defend against it''? Nanoha's "declaration of hostile intent" is irrelevent, because Tea had already declared her own hostile intent. Shooting Teana like that was along the bounds of a [[Real Life]] drill instructor tasering a recalcitrant student ''who had just opened fire on them with live ammunition'' (probably with intent to "only wound" rather than kill, but ''hardly'' disproportionate or out-of-bounds).
*** Nanoha clearly wasn't acting in self-defense when she shot Teana; Nanoha had stopped Teana's strike cold already. If Nanoha had shot Teana immediately when Teana prepared to shoot her, then I would have no problem considering Nanoha's actions as a case of self-defense. However, Nanoha deliberately waited a few seconds before opening fire. Furthermore, Nanoha's words to Teana ("I guess I'll cool your head a bit") and Nanoha's words to Subaru ("stay put and watch closely") make it clear that the Nanoha's actions were intended as punishment. No amount of bad behavior justifies being shot at, even if the blast is only made with stun-ammo that puts the target in the hopsital for nearly half a day. ''It doesn't matter'' what Teana did, there are ways to punish her that don't involve scaring her and making her feel pain. Consider: how would you feel about listening to Nanoha if she punished you by shooting you, as opposed to punishing you by confining you to quarters for two weeks?
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** Consider what would happen if Nanoha was an actual enemy. She would've easily killed both Subaru and Teana because of their plan not being well thought out and therefore easy to anticipate and the fact that one of them was not in the best shape. If anything, Nanoha was demonstrating to Subaru what would happen to Teana if she continues her training philosophy and rash behavior in the most realistic, though cold hearted, way possible. And don't forget that Nanoha is willing to do anything just to get her point across.
*** Nanoha's "demonstration" put Teana in the hospital and did short-term damage to Teana's body. Drill sergeants are tough, mean bastards for a reason; if military recruits can't stand up to the rigors of basic training, then they have no business trying to handle the stress of live combat. There's a line between hazing your trainees, and physically abusing them. I'd have to say that any action that puts someone in the hospital falls in the latter category. Besides, what's Nanoha's White Devil Moment supposed to accomplish that something less extreme can't? If Teana can't figure out that she fucked up then she has no business being in the military anyway. What's more, such extreme disciplinary measures invite fear, resentment, or both. It doesn't matter if those reactions are inappropriate for a trainee, Teana would have to be superhuman not to have some sort of negative reaction towards Nanoha for what she did. And those feelings only serve to complicate the lesson Nanoha was trying to deliver and make it less likely Teana understand why she was in the wrong. (I'm not saying Teana would be correct in aforementioned defiance, just that they're a likely byproduct of Nanoha's actions.)
*** Teana was well aware of her condition (or at least she seems to be) before the mock battle commenced but due to her desire to get stronger, deliberately ignores it. Nanoha's training shots probably doesn't hurt that much if one is in top physical condition but since Teana had been overworking herself and was lacking rest, to her the training bullets seemed and felt like lethal ones. Shamal even pointed out that she didn't suffer any serious injuries but since her body was over fatigued even the doctor assumed that she was dead the moment she got sent to the infirmary.And with regards to being "extreme", I'm guessing the objective of Teana's plan was to incapacitate Nanoha to demonstrate that she's a capable, all around mage,the problem is that she intended to physically injure Nanoha so Nanoha simply responded in kind, but was sensible and responsible enough enough not to use anything other than training grade bullets so as to not cause serious injuries. And it's not like they didn't have any negative reaction to the incident; Subaru, who's probably Nanoha's biggest fangirl, was visibly upset when her friend and partner was mercilessly shot down.After the incident, Fate mentioned that the two forwards were showing signs of resentment, leading to the confrontation during episode 9, when Teana was taken off combat readiness. Her remark to Nanoha's order was; "In short, you do not have use for people who do not follow your orders, right?" She then follows this remark with " I have done everything that I was told to do, Even concerning the things with regards to my training. Do I have to follow everything that you say, even concerning the amount of effort I put off the field?" explicitly stating that she is very much dissatisfied with the way things are turning out. After she got punched by Signum for being "A selfish brat" Subaru comes to her partner's defense, asking Signum if putting extra effort to becoming stronger in one's own way was a bad thing. They would've kept their feelings of resentment if Shari had not stepped in and explained Nanoha's history to the forwards with Signum giving them a pep talk about when to push one's self to the limit.
**** It should be noted that Subaru concedes that Teana was out of line with her outburst immediately before asking Signum the question. Her fandom of Nanoha has limits, but the same can be said of her support for Teana.
**** Subaru's admiration of Nanoha may have limits, but the same can't be said on her support for Teana [[Les Yay|(why else do you think rainbows are straighter than her?)]]. A good example of how far she's willing to go for her partner is when Teana misfired during their operation at Hotel Augusta. She tried taking the blame for Teana's mistake by making up excuses, painting herself as the incompetent one (Vita didn't buy it). She even stated that she's prepared for any punishment and she was pretty used to getting scolded the night before the "White Devil Incident", but assures Teana that as long as they show results, then everything will be fine, so she's well aware of the possible results of their plan and is probably banking on the idea that Nanoha will be nice enough to overlook the dangerous aspects of their plan in favor of the results it may bring.
* I get that the series has an [[Improbably-Female Cast]], I accept that. It does however bug/confuse me that in the big city tournament in Vivid that there doesn't seem to be a single boy, not even an unnamed background extra, competing. Is the tournament said to be divided by gender lines somewhere, or is Mid-Childa just some female only society?
** I would assume that the tournaments are gender-divided, at least on the child/teenager side.
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