Jews Love to Argue: Difference between revisions

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{{quote|''"Two Jews, three opinions."''|A saying}}

 

 

''What am I, your slave? You do it!''

I don't even know what that means. Anyway, this is a joke [[Self-Deprecation|more common among Jews themselves]] than among gentiles. Such conversations are generally (in fiction) liberally peppered with [[Yiddish as a Second Language]].

 

 

I'm trying not to spend too much time on this. Give me some slack.

== Religion and Mythology ==

* This is what the Midrash and the [[The Talmud|Talmud]] are, Rabbis arguing. And in [[The Bible|the Torah]], Jews argue with God. Abraham frickin' haggles with God over the amount of righteous men needed to save Sodom and Gomorrah.

** Possibly. But there are several varying translation for 'isra', from 'rule' to 'straight'. They are the "Israelites," so wrestling with God is part of their name too.

** Moses also argues with God when he wants to destroy the People of Israel and make Moses into the (first of the) new People of Israel. Moses argues with God and ''[[Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?|wins the argument.]]''

== [[Real Life]] ==

* This is why Israel does not have a constitution. They (primarily orthodox vs secular) ''could not stop arguing about it.'' Also they're afraid that the Supreme Court would run away with a written Constitution if Israel had one (''[[American Courts|à l'américain]]'', with whom Israel [[The Common Law|shares a legal tradition]]), potentially raising issues for virtually everyone. The Supreme Court under Aharon Barak and his successor [[Iron Lady|Dorit Beinisch]] already started to do this ''without'' a written constitution, using the Basic Laws that serve in place of a constitution at the moment and applying them to check the government; this has naturally led to a great deal of argument in the Israeli legal community.

* An Asheknazi Rabbi, Rabbi Moses Isserles is renowned for his fundamental work of Jewish law, entitled HaMapah, an inline commentary on the Shulkhan Aruch. All his comments are to the effect of 'we Asheknazim don't do it this way'. In fact, so many Jewish Law books have commentaries written on them by dissidents...quite a few Jewish books have been called 'The Wars of God'. But guess who's actually fighting...

* Alan Dershowitz writes in one of his books that a Talmud court would not convict if there was a unanimous vote, on the grounds that it implied the accused had no advocate among the judges. This has an element of truth. The Talmud does state that the Sanhedrin must have someone at least give a reason why they shouldn't convict. Considering that the Sanhedrin had anywhere from 23 to 71 members depending on the time period and type called, this isn't difficult.

 

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