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* [[Broken Base]]: The Nathan and Sylar fans exited in droves and were baying for blood after the volume 4 finale. Those who weren't hopelessly confused, that is. And really, anything related to Sylar has this effect. That's because he's a [[Creator's Pet]] to half the fanbase and the [[Draco in Leather Pants|best thing on the show]] [[Base Breaker|to the other half.]]

** Another case comes in those who wish it had ended after Season 1, those who wish it had after the second, etc.

** We went from complex and morally grey villains in Volumes One and two (Mr. Linderman and Adam Monroe) to Arthur Petrelli and Danko of Volumes Three and Four respectively. Both men are amoral sociopaths -- Arthur's just more slimy about it.

** Although Danko has at least a few moments, most notably when he leaves a message with Aileena explaining how he wants to be a good man, that suggest he has a better side. It's just buried under layers of cold hearted [[Fantastic Racism]] against evolved humans.

*** Actually, the later episodes reveal that Samuel is actually a power hungry maniac who's more interested in using the carnies as tools to make the Muggles fear him.

*** [[Ambiguous Situation]] / [[Jumping Off the Slippery Slope]] : Does he want power for power's sake, or recognition for his 'potential' that he never got from his brother or his first love?

** There is also Sylar's dad Samson Grey. This is a guy so evil he makes Sylar look like an amateur. He also killed people and took Their powers but quit when he got bored. He gave up his son for reasons he can't even remember. He was that unimportant to him. He then tries to kill Sylar and take his healing factor. If Sylar was bad on his own, who knows how much worse he would have been being raised by Samson?

* [[Crazy Awesome]]: Sylar and Hiro.

* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]: Sylar. [[Daydream Believer|Oh so much.]]

** The writers finally realized this, and have been trying to avert it in season 4 by upping his villainness [[Up to Eleven]]. At least [[Villain Sue]] Sylar was a [[Magnificent Bastard]]. Now he just keeps [[Kick the Dog|kicking the damn dog]].

* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Claude, Ando, Elle, and even Mr. Muggles have fanbases. In the first half of the first Volume, Hiro was like this too - then the producers listened and [[Breakout Character|gave him an increasingly larger role]]. Minor characters from the Graphic Novels such as Linda Tavara (Who only had three appearances, total) have sizeable fanbases. The most extreme example is Sparrow Redhouse who, despite only appearing in 3 panels until recently, was a character many wanted to see on the show.

** Do we need to explain how awesome Sylar was, causing him to [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad|take over the show?]]

* [[Evil Is Sexy]]: Possible explanation for why occasionally-repentant Sylar is a major fan favorite. Plus, he goes [[Fan Service|shirtless]] and gets nookie with [[Veronica Mars|Elle]]. [[Good People Have Good Sex|Evil sex]]!

* [[Foe Yay]]: Where to begin... Mohinder/Sylar, Sylar/Peter, even, in a disturbing way, Sylar and ''Claire'' in the Fourth Volume finale (and in the later episodes of Volume Five). Sylar's just sort of a [[Foe Yay]] whore.

** Sylar/Chandra belongs here too. "Hello, Chandra. Why won't you talk to me? You can't leave me like this."

*** It can be argued that this might be invalid, as they did have a prior romantic relationship before his [[Start of Darkness]] drove him over the edge. Still, he didn't seem to recognize her at the end of Powerless and she got really pissed when he murdered her father.

** Adam/Hiro and Adam/Peter goes here too.

{{quote|'''Adam (to Hiro):''' You were more than a friend to me... }}

** Arthur Petrelli, after stealing Peter's powers (made even worse by the fact he barely ever used them, effectively becoming the [[Generic Doomsday Villain]] [[The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything|who never did anything]]).

* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]] - In-Universe: In "The Fix", Claire is looking for her biological family, and Zach suggests hopefully that she might have a rich, eccentric uncle. "Great," quips Claire, "[[All Your Powers Combined|an uncle]]."

** Also Zach was supposed to be gay but this was not made known to Thomas Dekker. He would later go onto play a gay character in Kaboom!.

* [[Logo Joke]]: When the series was shown on BBC Two in the UK, it was preceded by a special [[Station Ident]] in which the '2' symbol eclipsed the Sun, though it isn't part of the actual show.

* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: And in ''this'' corner, the fight is between Bennet and Nathan Petrelli. Odds favorite is currently Nathan, as he manages to be a [[Magnificent Bastard]] even when the people know it. With the introduction of Mr. Linderman - who calmly managed to talk ''Nathan'' down - a new contender was on the field. And just when we thought Bennet was out of the race, he cranks it up to 11 and shows he's a bigger bastard than even ''we'' dreamed. And then there's Bob, and don't discount Adam Monroe yet... it's a veritable bastard [[Battle Royale With Cheese|battle royale]]! And don't forget Magnificent Bitch Angela Petrelli.

* [[Moral Event Horizon]]:

** {{spoiler|Samuel has a killer one in "Once Upon a Time in Texas" - after spending the episode doing his utmost to save Charlie from Sylar, three years in the past, Hiro walks out to discover that she's been taken by Arnold, Samuel's time-traveling carnival member, at the behest of Samuel. Samuel reveals the entirety of the episode, including his previous attempts at goading Hiro into changing the past, have all been a manipulation to force Hiro to work for him, and to possibly prevent the death of Mohinder. Needless to say, Hiro is less than amused.}}

** [[It Got Worse]]: After the entire carnival loses respect for him, he wins it back by {{spoiler|murdering Lydia and blaming Noah for it.}}

* [[MST3K Mantra]] - It's often easier to enjoy the show for the lulz than taking it seriously.

* [[Pandering to the Base]]: And HOW.

** Shooting {{spoiler|Sylar in the balls with a nail gun}} also helped.

* [[Romantic Plot Tumor]]: West and Claire in Volume 2.

* [[Snark Bait]]: There are entire LJ communities in which getting together every Monday night to watch Heroes - for the sole purpose of giving it the [[Mystery Science Theater 3000]] treatment - has become a ritual and a bonding experience. Wet Sylar, Carniawarts, Clairiett Tubman, Sylar Durden, Rainbow Brite Girl, Gretchward Cullen - we salute you.

* [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad]]: It slowly became obvious that the main characters of the show would be the Petrelli family (and by extension Claire and Noah Bennet), and Sylar. This became more evident with Sylar as the show's DVD releases went from a shadowy depiction of his face to him standing in the middle of the cover.

** Which she just acknowledged herself.

*** {{spoiler|Actually, she didn't. She repeated the erroneous statement that Matt's vision was only a "dream." Not only did Angela see the same future, but Peter was actually *in* it. What she said was either 1) wrong or 2) a retcon.}}

* [[Toy Ship]]: Micah and Molly.

** Also attempted with Nathan Petrelli at the beginning of Season 2 (mostly by making him grow a truly ''horrific'' [[Beard of Sorrow]]) - a decision which pretty much led to a fandom revolt and was never referenced again.

* [[Unfortunate Implications]]: The way they depicted Sylar's mother as both a Roman Catholic and a deeply disturbed woman who was perfectly willing to kill even her own son due to his powers and viewing him as a demon really wasn't a good depiction of Christians, period.

 

Claire Bennet

* [[Iron Woobie]] - Aided in no small part by her powers, Claire never gave up despite all the pain and suffering the world heaped on her.

* [[Wangst]] - Boy, she was bad about this for a long time during Volume One.

 

Sylar

* [[Creepy Awesome]]

* [[Draco in Leather Pants]] - Cause [[Evil Is Cool]] and [[Evil Is Sexy]].

 

Adam Monroe

* [[Magnificent Bastard]]

* [[Villain Decay]] - In the space of one and a half episodes, he's bumped down from Ancient Evil [[Big Bad]] back to comic relief to [[Killed Off for Real]] by the [[Eviler Than Thou]] new [[Big Bad]].

 

Angela Petrelli

 

Arthur Petrelli

** Does that make him a [[Fixer Sue]]?

* [[Complete Monster]]

 

Eric Doyle

 

Emile Danko

 

Hana Gitelman

 

Daphne Millbrook

 

Sparrow Redhouse

 

Rachel Mills

 

Edgar

 

Mr Muggles