Black Butler (manga)/Headscratchers: Difference between revisions

** This might be more appropriate for the WMG page, but it ''looks'' like it's some sort of alternate timeline or something, as of episode 3.

** As it turns out {{spoiler|Ciel simply lost his memories. Sebastian was about to eat Ciel but his soul got stolen by Claude, somehow. As for the deceased characters... we didn't actually see Lau and Ran-mao die they simply [[Disney Death|fell into the water]] and COULD have survived and Abberline did die but the character that appears in season two is his [[Backup Twin|twin]]}}. Whether this can be seen as a [[Retcon]] or not is debatable.

** It's mentioned that Ceil does not live close to London. So it's not that unusual.

*** "Not that unusual"? ''We do not have freaking BEARS in Britain!''

*** I'm not a [[Yaoi Fangirl]]. I'm not even a girl. [[Tropers/Kentucky Troper 1990|I'm a guy]] who just hates Elizabeth.

*** Fine, exclude the [[Yaoi Fangirl]] and we still got the [[Fan Dumb]] of character bashing. Really, it makes sense, especially considering what our fellow Tropers have pointed with the above. And to make this not become a [[Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment]], I'll say my [[Headscratchers]] for this: ''What'' bugs me is how in the world Ciel, being Elizabeth's fiance, ''doesn't know'' his fiancee is {{spoiler|a rapier-wielding [[Badass]].}} She has entered ''tournaments'' before. Tournaments most likely held by the Queen herself (seeing there's Earl Grey there) and (maybe) posted in newspaper. And this become more like a [[Fridge Logic]] than a [[Headscratchers]].

*** This is my first edit on the Black Butler page so I'm not one of the people who talked previously, but I... kind of agree. I was awfully disappointed when the truth about Elizabeth was revealed. Not because I have something against her backstory or reasons or whatever in particular, but--I'm just so ''tired'' of having every single character be secretly {{spoiler|[[Badass]].}} I mean, come on. First {{spoiler|the hired help, then the cutesy girlfriend, then the Undertaker... not to mention the extras}}. I'm not going to stop reading or anything because of it, but it is a little tiring to not have any just... normal people, if that makes sense. If only as a basis of comparison to make the mains seem more competent! ...Just my own experience with it; I'm sure some/a lot of people enjoyed seeing everybody being generally awesome, haha.

*** I don't how something can be an [[Ass Pull]] if it's completely relevant to the plot and makes sense. Lizzy being a badass? Plenty of reason given above as to why this isn't a shock. The staff? Pretty dang obvious why he kept them around. Ciel would never in a million years keep useless servants around. It seems to me what you guys are calling ass pulls is just things that you personally don't like. Do you have a right to not like them? Totally. However, when you consider that most of Ciel's life revolves around dangerous activities and purposely associating with people involved in dangerous activities, why does it surprise you that the people around him have the ability to cope with dangerous activities? I mean, for goodness sakes, Lizzy is marrying Ciel. How is it at all possible that she wouldn't know what her husband did for a living? Hiding a talent is one thing. Hiding what 99% of Ciel's life revolves around is just impossible. Of course she needs to learn to defend herself, especially after what happened to the previous heads of house. Storywise, if you don't like it, that's fine. However, saying it came out of no where when the author takes great pains to show why it DIDN'T come out of no where is just silly.

* Okay, seriously. In the recent murder mystery arc, why was no one smart enough to ''leave the mansion''? Sure, it was raining heavily, but just how the hell is that any comparison to the dangers of staying in a mansion that a murderer is lurking in?

** Well ... he is [[Rule of Cool|one hell of a butler]]

** But he can get heart burn, so it seems he can't defy EVERY law of the universe.

** This troper is relieved that she is not the only one! Of course, the best reason for her existence is to provide Ciel with a love-interest so he can't canonly be paired with anyone else. But hey, try telling that to [[Yaoi Fangirl|fangirls]]. Maybe that's why she gets so much hate in the first place. But I see nothing wrong wrong with her character.

** Wait, I thought Elizabeth was like 8 or 10 or something ...

** {{spoiler|I always assumed that she is a special kind of demon who is able to store the sword. As wasp's poison does not harm the carrier, so does the weapon. ''And'' it seems that she contains a vast emptiness inside her ([[Body Horror|remember that eye-in-the-mouth scene?]]), so sword just can't reach her from inside.}}

* In chapter 5, how could {{spoiler|Ciel steal the head of a chocolate statue}}? Wasn't it a bit high for him? Why didn't he take something easier instead?

* Didn't Sebastian {{spoiler|rape}} Matilda? People act {{spoiler|like it was consensual}}.

** I should say more along the lines of seduced. I didn't see anything implying that it wasn't, aside from the bit where he squashes the bug behind her, and that seemed more like an excuse to be suddenly swoon-inducingly close to her than it was any sort of implied threat. ''I'' practically swooned from that, and I was sitting across the room, and not on the same side of the camera as them.