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* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]:
** Lugia is way more popular than fellow version mascot Ho-oh despite being the mascot of the "second" version. It's also one of the most popular Pokémon period, often scoring high in popularity polls.
** More traditional examples (as in "not very publicized") include Tyranitar (a [[Combat Pragmatist|vicious]] [[Rock Steady|rocky]] ''[[Godzilla]]'' [[Expy]]) and Scizor (a [[Extra Ore Dinary|metallic]] [[Big Creepy
*** Scizor actually was [[Awesome Yet Impractical]] when he first debuted - he had a movepool that was mostly [[Non-Elemental|Normal]]-type moves that he didn't get STAB from. And then along came [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|Gen IV]] which gave him X-Scissor, U-Turn and Bullet Punch, and the metallic mantis shot up to the top of the non-banned tiers.
* [[Fan-Preferred Couple]]:
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* [[Memetic Mutation]]:
** Chuck was given [[Chuck Norris Facts]]-like status for a while.
** Karen's line, "Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites," is used in the fandom as a creed against things ranging from [["Stop Having Fun!" Guys]], [[Tournament Play]] in general or just anything related to [[
* [[Nightmare Fuel]]: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4puhzOiQW8 The opening] in ''Crystal'' might just be the biggest [[Mind Screw]] in the franchise before the Arceus event in the remakes. The [[Last-Note Nightmare]], dramatically setting up [[The Reveal]] [[The Un-Reveal|that never happens,]] and given that there's still no [[Mind Screwdriver]] to date despite the remakes, it's unlikely there will ever be one.
* [[Rescued From the Scrappy Heap]]: It's common knowledge that people hate [[Goddamn Bats|Zubat]]. It's annoying, it's everywhere, and it has an extremely mediocre evolution in the form of Golbat. But Gen II gave it Crobat, which is much stronger, and much, much, ''much'' faster. Sure, it's still annoying as hell, but thanks to Gold and Silver, it became a very viable choice for a good Poison type in your team.
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* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]: You name it, and it got complained about.
** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g76W944CXzo The Lavender Town music]. It's a peaceful town after the Pokémon Tower was converted into a radio tower, so it sounds much chirpier than the original. Despite the in-story reason for it sounding happy, people still are divided on whether it's good or not.
** Speaking of Lavender Town, the Pokémon Tower graveyard being converted into a ''radio tower'' was widely thought [[Due to
** The lower levels compared to the previous generation have also been met with frustration from players. By the point of the last gym, you're still fighting measly lv.20s, leading to many tedious hours of [[Level Grinding]] necessary if you hope to stand a chance against Lance and his trio of lv.50 Dragonite.
* [[Tier
** [[Took a Level In Badass]]: Some of these Pokémon (Sneasel, Gligar, Piloswine, Togetic, Yanma, Aipom, Murkow, and Misdreavus) gained new evos in ''[[
*** [[Joke Character|Wobbuffet]], however, benefited from a PRE-evo and the ability [[You Will Not Evade Me|Shadow Tag]] in ''[[
* [[Ugly Cute]]: Snubbull and Granbull.
* [[Viewer Gender Confusion]]:
** Bugsy is a guy, folks. This is [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshaded]] during his appearance in the ''[[
*** In ''[[Pokémon Golden Boys|another manga]]'' he is drawn in a more feminine manner then almost everyone in the manga, and his gender is only referred to once in the Japanese version and can be easily missed. It doesn't help that he's [[Ambiguously Gay]] in said continuity.
** Many gamers also confused [[The Rival|Silver]] for a girl in the early days.
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*** [[Iron Woobie]]: In ''HGSS'', anyway.
** The final Rocket Grunt.
*** {{spoiler|[[Throw the Dog
=== YMMVs in ''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'' ===
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* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]: There's a number of pictures (on the Japanese side) and stories (on the Western side) depicting Lyra as a full-blown [[Yandere]].
* [[Americans Hate Tingle]]: When Lyra was first revealed, she was quite loved in Japan due to her [[Moe|cuteness]]. A good chunk of the American fanbase however, didn't like her, mainly due to being the [[Replacement Scrappy]] for the first playable girl character ever in the series.
* [[And the Fandom Rejoiced]]: The remakes, because they simultaneously brought both the Johto region ''and'' the Pokémon to be found [only] there [[The Bus Came Back|back on track]] after ''[[
* [[Anticlimax Boss]]/[[Badass Decay]]: Despite being a [[Bonus Boss]], {{spoiler|Giovanni}} only has four Pokémon ranging from Level 40 to 46--if you got past the Elite Four, and you almost certainly have by the time you get to him, you'll have no trouble at all.
* [[Base Breaker]]: Lyra. Mostly for replacing Kris. Although she did receive a noticeable spike in popularity once fans realized she dressed like a [[Super Mario Bros.|Mario]] [[Cosplay|cosplayer]].
* [[Crowning Music of Awesome]]: Definitely has the best tunes out of all of Gen IV.
* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]: Silver becomes nicer later on, but he still falls victim to this among [[Fan Girl|Fan Girls]], even when he's still a [[Jerkass]].
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* [[Fan Nickname]]:
** Technically, "Gold" is no longer his canon name. Some fans refer to his first design as "Gold" and his redesign as "Heart" or with his canon name "Ethan" to distinguish the two, but it's much more common for both to be called "Gold".
** Lyra was called "Soul" in the pre-release days. Oddly enough, early screenshots called Ethan "Soul", whereas Lyra was "Heart". She has also been called "Mariko" in Japan and Maria/Marioette in America due to her overalls, brunette hair, and poofy hat making her look similar to [[Super Mario Bros.|a certain other Nintendo character]].
** Quite a few comics jokingly refer to Silver as "???", due to that being his name in the first battle against him in ''Gold'', ''Silver'', and ''Crystal''. "Silver" itself can also count. It's never given in-game as a default, never given in an official source, and his anime counterpart has no name to go by. The name is listed in the data for the game, however, like Leaf, it's debatable.
* [[Fan-Preferred Couple]]:
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** Red with his rival, Blue.
** Lyra with Red, Blue, or Lance is also very prominent in fanart.
** [[Stalker
* [[Game Breaker]]: If you trade a certain Movie Arceus from a ''[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
* [[I Knew It!]]: It has long been theorized that Silver was the son of Giovanni à la ''[[
* [[Jerkass Woobie]]: Silver, after details concerning his childhood come to light.
* [[Launcher of a Thousand Ships]]: Lyra, especially in Japan.
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