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* In H. Beam Piper's short story ''Flight from Tomorrow'', a tyrant in the very far future forces a scientist to create a time machine for him as the ultimate escape route, and he uses it to flee into the past from a rebellion at the beginning of the story. He is not expecting a Stable Time Loop - quite the contrary - but the scientist not only left out some important information but sabotaged the machine, so that he went back not to the time he had researched, but to the mid-twentieth century. The tyrant is hunted down and killed as a plague-carrier. The scientist in his own time explains to the rebels that they cannot pursue the tyrant into the past, or they will meet the same fate; the scientist's audience realizes that a mysterious artifact from the distant past must be where the tyrant's body was covered over with concrete to prevent further contamination.
* In ''[[The Anubis Gates]]'' by [[Tim Powers]], the protagonist, Brendan Doyle, becomes the victim of [[Grand Theft Me]] in the 1800s and realizes that he is destined to be the poet, William Ashbless, whom he was researching in the present day. Partway through the book, he panics on realizing nobody ever ''wrote'' Ashbless's poetry—he copied it from memory earlier—but then shrugs it off, deciding that as long as it was ''there'', nobody would be bothered.
* ''[[Discworld]]'':
* The* ''[[Discworld]]'' novel ''[[Discworld/The Last Continent|The Last Continent]]'' is essentially a single, but quite complex, Stable Time Loop, in which the problem Rincewind has to solve is caused by the wizards accidentally going back in time while looking for him. It also includes Ridcully dismissing Ponder Stibbons' worries about the [[Butterfly of Doom]] (or Ant Of Doom in Ponder's example) by concluding that history ''depends'' on you treading on the ants you've already trodden on.
** Specifically, Ridcully's argument relies on the old "you can't step on an ant if you don't exist." His logic is that if they're in the past NOW, then they've already been there thousands of years ago, when it was now. Therefore, anything they do, they've already done (because it's the past and the past has already happened), and it's vitally important that they do whatever they do, because if they didn't, they wouldn't have done it and they'd have done the different thing instead.
** ''[[Discworld/Night Watch (Discworld)|Night Watch]]'' subverts a Stable Time Loop: there was a real Sergeant Keel the first time around, but Vimes' and Carcer's arrival from the future gets him killed ahead of schedule. Vimes must [[Tricked-Out Time|assume Keel's role]] to ''force'' stability on the Loop, and while the general outcome is the same, several of the specific events are different.
** On a smaller scale, minor recurring character Mrs. Cake is a psychic who is known to answer peoples' questions before they ask them; she then insists they ask, to stabilize the time loop, or she'll get a migraine.
*** In ''[[Interesting Times]]'', Hex answers a problem before it is asked. The wizard in charge eventually enters the problem to appease causality, but not until hiding in the privy for an hour and a half.
** In ''[[Discworld/Eric|Eric]]'', Rincewind travels back in time to before life existed on the Discworld, and drops a partially-eaten sandwich in a tidepool. The microorganisms in the tidepool become the ancestors of all life on the Discworld, including Rincewind (but not including the sandwich ingredients, because the sandwich didn't originate from Discworld; it was given to Rincewind by the creator of the universe).
** Played with extensively in ''[[Discworld/Pyramids|Pyramids]]'', particularly in the construction-crew's "doppelgangs" and {{spoiler|Dios's fate}}. The paradoxes entailed are lampshaded when the engineers discuss the option of paying their loop-duplicated workers with loop-duplicated money.
** In ''[[Discworld/Soul Music (novel)|Soul Music]]'', Susan travels to the past and sees her father fight Death at the conclusion of ''[[Discworld/Mort|Mort]]''. Death spots her watching and recognizes her as the child of Mort and Ysabell, which convinces the [[Grim Reaper]] to stabilize the loop and spare his apprentice so the girl he's just spotted can be born.
*** Also the first paragraph of the book takes place later in the story, despite being chronologically first.
** In ''[[Discworld/I Shall Wear Midnight|I Shall Wear Midnight]]'', {{spoiler|eldery Tiffany}} insists this trope is ''not'' in effect, as each iteration of this time-traveller's encounter with young Tiffany will actually result in a different conversation. The fact of their encounter is stable, but the details aren't set in stone.
* ''[[Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban]]''. Harry is saved from dementors by a Patronus Charm cast mysterious figure who he thinks is his father. After he travels back, he eventually finds himself in the same place and waits for his father to show up... [[You Already Changed the Past|and then realizes HE was the mysterious figure]], and saves himself. In fact, he only gains the ability to cast a true Patronus for the first time because he realized that he had already done it. Also, as Harry, Ron, and Hermione first head out to adventure, they hear noises that turn out to be Harry and Hermione as they complete adventure!part I.
** Stable Time Loop is often used as a justification for being unable to change history in the Potterverse, but it seems to contradict what Hermione tells Harry in ''Prizoner Of Azkaban'' about wizards and witches having to be careful to avoid killing their past and future selves. One can explain this in various ways, but the end result is that canon is not entirely clear.
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