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** For fans of the Koopalings, it was pretty damn cool to find out that Bowser Jr. had all seven of them as his alternate costumes! Especially since they're recognized as their own characters despite sharing Bowser Jr.'s roster slot. This was also the case with Alph being an Olimar alt with four different pallete swaps as well.
** New pallet swaps in general made a lot of fans happy: Link's Fierce Deity alt in general is considered a widely loved and heavily requested one.
** Mewtwo has returned as DLC after his absence in Brawl was mourned! And for [[Mother 3]] fans saddened by Lucas being left out of the fourth game, rejoice! For he is DLC!
** And after missing the Brawl train, our boy Roy is back as well!
** Speaking of DLC, Nintendo is holding a ballot where you can vote for ''any'' character that you want in the game... within reason, of course, so who knows who will end up as DLC down the road?!
** Smash Bros has some pretty unexpected third parties that made fans flip their lids in excitement: specifically Ryu from [[Street Fighter]] and Cloud from [[Final Fantasy 7]]!
* [[Base Breaker]]: Lucario has become this due to many Mewtwo fans accusing him of being a clone (Never mind that he certainly is not) as well as having plenty of fans.
** Greninja as well for similar reasons, now with fans accusing Sakurai of intentionally tricking them into thinking Mewtwo was going to be revealed.
** Jigglypuff is this for many, with some liking her for being a fun [[Lethal Joke Character]] and with others claiming her to be irrelevant and un-wanted.
** Wii Fit Trainer. She's either hilarious and a fun-looking character, or a stupid idea and a waste of space.
** Some people think Palutena looks fun to play, others think she
** Then there's Bowser Jr, a lot of fans find his Clown Car moveset unique and fun and are open to the idea of playable Koopaling alts, others think his inclusion gives the [[Super Mario Bros]] franchise too much representation, though others argue given that it's ''the'' flagship Nintendo series, that it deserves that much representation.
** Duck Hunt. Hilariously awesome and original newcomer, or stupid addition who takes up a more deserving roster slot?
** EVERYTHING about Ridley. Whether or not he deserves to be playable, if he could be unique and fun to play as, if he has any shot of making it as a playable character... the debates go on and on.
*** Speaking of Ridley, his confirmation as a stage hazard/ally in the Wii U version has caused people to go ''insane'', with his detractors insulting, mocking, and laughing at those who want him playable with his fans getting incredibly fed up with him being non-playable yet again and reacting towards his detractors with hostility. Though of course, every Ridley-related argument would be a moot point when Ridley would eventually become [[Promoted to Playable]] in ''Ultimate'', pleasing his huge fanbase and forcing his detractors to eat their words.
** Does ''Kid Icarus Uprising'' deserve to get as much content as it does? Some argue that it does given that ''Uprising'' was developed with ''Smash Bros'' in mind which justifies Sakurai putting so much of it's content into the game. Others however argue that ''one game'' does not deserve to have such a staggering amount of content when series like [[Donkey Kong Country]] and [[Metroid]] have a lot less. Both sides make valid points, as well as a lot of name-calling and insults and all around unpleasant stuff.
* [[Broken Base]]:
** Does competitive Smash miss the point of the series' party game roots? Or is it a valid way to play the game?
** Is the sheer amount of ''Fire Emblem'' characters present annoying and terrible, or awesome?
** Is Sakurai bias a thing, or is he a scapegoat for Nintendo's mandates?
** What's the ideal size the character roster should aim for? Humongous, and with every past fighter present? Or should the devs downsize and prioritize other aspects of the game?
** Are Mii Fighter costumes of deconfirmed fighters an acceptable compromise, or an unintentional slap to the face?
* [[Character Tiers]]: One of the leading causes of the [[Broken Base]].
* [[Complacent Gaming Syndrome]]:
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** Marth/Roy, all the more so for how they don't even belong in the same universe. [[Die for Our Ship|This one is shipped completely seriously to an incredible extent]], complete with shitting all over Marth's canon love interest Caeda.
** Little Mac/Samus became this due to their heights being compared in the former's reveal trailer.
** Palutena/Lucina for a rather... [[Les Yay|intimate]] picture of the two available as one of Lucina's ten pictures under her profile on the
* [[Creator's Pet]]:
* [[Crossover Ship]]: Given that this is one big [[Crossover]], fans are bound to do this.
* [[Demonic Spiders]]: Smash Run in Smash Bros. for 3DS has
** Mimicuties and Clubberskulls keep this status from [[Kid Icarus: Uprising]], and are probably ''worse'' in this game thanks to the way it plays. Mimicuties rocket around the stage at Mach 10 while Clubberskulls have outrageous range and killing power, and both take a long time to kill. At least you can escape from Clubberskulls,
** Darknuts from [[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess]] are like in their home game, incredibly sturdy and hit hard, making wearing them down a chore like in their home game. Thankfully, they're close to dying when you get their armor off! ...but like in Twilight Princess, they become lightning quick and are still as strong as before. [[Oh Crap]].
** Cryogonal however went from a relatively easy [[Pokémon]] to dispatch in
** Egg Robos are similar in that they specialize in being ''pains in the ASS'' who nail you with long-ranged lasers.
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Metroid isn't really much of a success in Japan and the amount of games produced for it is not much compared to other Nintendo series. Hell, it has had only one protagonist with consistent roles, hence why you only get to play as Samus. We do get, however, two instances of Samus (her regular self and Zero Suit Samus), three Metroid themed stages in Brawl, along with two appearances of Ridley in the Subspace Emissary (other than the optional battle with Ganondorf, no Zelda boss appears).
** Captain Falcon.
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** Villager became this for many due to the fact that he has a rather odd fighting style (Growing and cutting down trees, using a Gyroid like a rocket, using a bug net to trap opponents...), and the psychopathic Villager meme he spouted helps a lot.
** Mega Man was requested for a long time, and his inclusion made a ''lot'' of people happy, especially due to Capcom more-or-less leaving him for dead.
** Greninja is this [[Hate Dumb]] aside for being a Pokémon who is actually rather popular with fans already due to being a cool looking Pokémon
** Palutena first came into prominence during her brief appearance in ''Brawl'''s Subspace Emissary mode, which led to a lot of fans requesting for her to be added in a future game. They got their wish in ''Smash 4'', where her large arsenal of moves and funny reveal trailer won the hearts of many. Her being top-tier in ''Smash Ultimate'' certainly helped... at least, among those who don't consider her a [[Tier-Induced Scrappy]].
** Robin
** Bowser Jr. and Rosalina both pull this sort of status thanks to the fact that they not only have very fun playstyles (Rosalina being a puppet-based fighter with Bowser Jr. relying on his Clown Car's assortment of tricks)and the fact that they were quite unexpected to show up. Even better in Bowser Jr's case: all seven Koopalings are playable by proxy due to him possessing them as alts.
* [[Even Better Sequel]]: ''Melee'', regarding the original, with trophies, more controls, more characters, more stages, and a competitive scene.
** ''Brawl'' is considered this to ''Melee'', by some people anyway.
* [[Fan Dumb]]: The "hurr-durr-Lucario-is-a-clone-of-Mewtwo" people base that off the fact that both of their neutral special moves involve making some sort of power ball. Other than that, Lucario and Mewtwo couldn't be any more different.
** The Mewtwo [[Fan Dumb]] EXPLODED once Lucario was revealed to be returning to Smash Bros 4 to truly embarrassing levels, though thankfully it ceased once Mewtwo made the cut via DLC and returned for ''Ultimate''.
** The same could be said with Ashley's fanbase once she was revealed to be an Assist Trophy.
* [[Goddamned Bats]]: Pretty much ''any'' Smash Run enemy can be this given the circumstances, but a few particular annoying ones stand out.
** Koffings
** Petlils are the same, only instead of lowering your stats, they put you to sleep.
** Both Kritter variations can be pretty annoying to deal with if you're playing as a melee-based fighter, as they hit pretty fast with their attacks and can leave you taking damage for a while. Worse, they react pretty fast too!
** Redeads are basically sturdier Petlils who paralyze you with their screams instead of putting you to sleep. Like with Petlil, you better hope you weren't immobilized in front of
* [[Good Bad Bugs]]:
** Wavedashing. It's a physics exploit caused by air-dodging into the ground. Quite a few fans were upset when it was removed in Brawl.
** There's a glitch in ''Melee'' that lets you, among other things, play as Master Hand, though it is [[Game Breaking Bug|prone to crashing]]. Note that this glitch went undiscovered for ''seven years''.
** An AI glitch in ''Melee'' will occasionally cause a giant Yoshi fought in Classic mode to jump off the edge of the stage as soon as the match begins, giving you the victory in under five seconds.
* [[Hate Dumb]]: Lucario
** Zero Suit Samus
* [[Hell Is That Noise]]: If you hear the tell-tale 8-Bit drone of an approaching Orne, Run. Like. HELL.
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]:
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** Roy's not falling too behind. After all, he IS our boy!
** Villager became characterized as a homicidal maniac among the fanbase when he was revealed due to his never-changing facial expression in the heat of battle.
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: "FALCON... PUNCH!" Or hell, anything that Captain Falcon says.
** Whenever eager fans mistook Greninja's reveal trailer as setting up for Mewtwo, they got mad. Videos
* [[Most Annoying Sound]]: Ness in ''Super Smash Bros.''. Especially when taunt dashing. OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!
** Kirby's "Hiiii!" taunt can be this sometimes, although it's somehow a whole lot less irratating in Brawl than in the N64 version and Melee version.
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* [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses]]: Peach is criticized for fighting with a ''frying pan'' as a weapon, saying that's too much of a stereotypical woman's weapon to be efficient (though she's been using frying pans to attack since ''Super Mario RPG''.)
** And as anyone who has ''ever'' lifted a frying pan or has been hit with one can tell you, it'd make a perfectly good weapon if it wasn't seen as such a joke.
* [[Replacement Scrappy]]: Lucario is often accused as this for Mewtwo, despite the fact that [[
** Toon Link for Young Link, though that too would be a moot point as of ''Smash Ultimate''.
* [[The Scrappy]]: Pichu is an [[Joke Character|intentional example]]. Its electricity-based attacks ''damage itself''.
** Clone characters in general get this kind of reaction thanks to the fact that they play more-or-less identical to the fighter they are based off of, either overshadowing the original and making them arguably irrelevant, or are overshadowed themselves.
*** It seems that Smash 4's new clones get this treatment the most: Lucina is viewed as way too similar to Marth (just without his sword's sweet spot) to justify her own slot. Dr. Mario's status probably isn't helped by the fact that the ''Mario'' franchise has a ''lot'' of representatives in general this time around
* [[Scrappy Level]] / [[That One Sidequest]]: Cruel Melee/Brawl, along with Battlefield Fortress in Subspace Emissary & the [[Boss Rush|Boss Battles]] in ''Brawl''.
* [[Scrappy Mechanic]]: Tripping in ''Brawl''. Whenever a player breaks into a run, they may, by completely random chance, trip over and leave themselves vulnerable. The mechanic doesn't go away in Sudden Death. Even though tripping gives you invincibility frames, you could pretty much do the same thing but better with sidestepping.
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** Inverted by a couple removed Melee techniques, such as crouch canceling, wavedashing, l-canceling, light shielding (this one is [[Justified Trope|justified]] by the controllers), and more.
* [[Sequel Displacement]]: When ''Melee'' was young, a number of fans failed to realize that there was a game that came before it, despite the information being in Melee.
* [[That One Boss]]: {{spoiler|Tabuu.}} Also, [[
** The Master Hand/Crazy Hand team-up in Brawl Classic mode can sometimes be this, because it's only able to be fought on hard mode or higher and one has to reach the last fight within 9 minutes or less.
* [[That One Sidequest]]: The Meta-Ridley trophy, which requires the player to beat down Meta-Ridley until he's near death, wait for a trophy stand to appear (the fight is [[Timed Mission|on a timer, by the way]],) then throw it at Meta Ridley, ''jump off the Blue Falcon, catch the trophy in mid-air, and then get back on.''
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** Mega Man is a minor example: he was requested a lot for a future Smash game, but many were convinced that he'd never make it due to how poorly he's been treated by Capcom as of late.
** Mr. Game & Watch in Melee as well as the Ice Climbers. Marth was this for American audiences, but Roy was this to everyone because his game wasn't even out then!
** Speaking of un-expected Classic characters, it's hard to tell who, if ''anyone'' expected the cast of [[Duck Hunt
** Rosalina and Bowser Jr. weren't exactly expected either thanks to the Mario part of the roster being seemingly large enough.
** Both Lucina as well as Robin were more or less unexpected thanks to the fact that everybody thought Chrom was going to be the Fire Emblem newcomer.
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* [[Tier-Induced Scrappy]]: In the ''Melee'' competitive community, many from the east coast ''hate'' Jigglypuff because, aside from her trolling-potent appearance, her mixed offense/defense game is extremely hard to counter, and she has a very effective finishing move, which is, of all things, her falling asleep. This infamy has slightly died down as of late, but now, she's considered top-tier.
** Little Mac is an odd example as he covers both High and Low versions of this trope: Little Mac's weaknesses are pretty glaring: stages with platforms give him trouble as he has a terrible air game and if is taken off the stage, there's not a whole lot he can do to get back on. On the high side, a good Little Mac player is almost impossible to beat as he's able to compensate for his weaknesses by ludicrous speed, great attacking power, and Super Armor to shrug off attacks like nothing.
** Yoshi in Smash 4 is a straighter example: thanks to his super speed, great killing moves that are incredibly safe to pull off, ridiculous recovery, he's considered by many to be one of the best character in the game, though not up to Meta Knight levels of ridiculous.
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