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Yeah no: we're discussing the Broken Base aspects. Leftover control freakery that doesn't even apply since TV Tropes itself eventually gave the series its own Broken Base page. Also updating some game-specific examples for when I port them to their dedicated pages in the near future.
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(Yeah no: we're discussing the Broken Base aspects. Leftover control freakery that doesn't even apply since TV Tropes itself eventually gave the series its own Broken Base page. Also updating some game-specific examples for when I port them to their dedicated pages in the near future.) |
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** Wii Fit Trainer. She's either hilarious and a fun-looking character, or a stupid idea and a waste of space.
** Some people think Palutena looks fun to play, others think she has way too much focus put on her given that she has twelve fully unique customizable moves and that her resources could have gone to tweaking other characters. And plus, there's also the accusations that her unique custom moves are "Sakurai Bias".
** Then there's Bowser Jr, a lot of fans find his Clown Car moveset unique and fun and are open to the idea of playable Koopaling alts, others think his inclusion gives the [[Super Mario Bros]] franchise too much representation, though others argue given that it's ''the'' flagship Nintendo series, that it deserves that much representation.
** Duck Hunt. Hilariously awesome and original newcomer, or stupid addition who takes up a more deserving roster slot?
** EVERYTHING about Ridley. Whether or not he deserves to be playable, if he could be unique and fun to play as, if he has any shot of making it as a playable character... the debates go on and on.
*** Speaking of Ridley, his confirmation as a stage hazard/ally in the Wii U version has caused people to go ''insane'', with his detractors insulting, mocking, and laughing at those who want him playable with his fans getting incredibly fed up with him being non-playable yet again and reacting towards his detractors with hostility. Though of course, every Ridley-related argument would be a moot point when Ridley would eventually become [[Promoted to Playable]] in ''Ultimate'', pleasing his huge fanbase and forcing his detractors to eat their words.
** Does ''Kid Icarus Uprising'' deserve to get as much content as it does? Some argue that it does given that ''Uprising'' was developed with ''Smash Bros'' in mind which justifies Sakurai putting so much of it's content into the game. Others however argue that ''one game'' does not deserve to have such a staggering amount of content when series like [[Donkey Kong Country]] and [[Metroid]] have a lot less. Both sides make valid points, as well as a lot of name-calling and insults and all around unpleasant stuff.
* [[Broken Base]]:
** Does competitive Smash miss the point of the series' party game roots? Or is it a valid way to play the game?
** Is the sheer amount of ''Fire Emblem'' characters present annoying and terrible, or awesome?
** Is Sakurai bias a thing, or is he a scapegoat for Nintendo's mandates?
** What's the ideal size the character roster should aim for? Humongous, and with every past fighter present? Or should the devs downsize and prioritize other aspects of the game?
** Are Mii Fighter costumes of deconfirmed fighters an acceptable compromise, or an unintentional slap to the face?
* [[Character Tiers]]: One of the leading causes of the [[Broken Base]].
* [[Complacent Gaming Syndrome]]:
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** Marth/Roy, all the more so for how they don't even belong in the same universe. [[Die for Our Ship|This one is shipped completely seriously to an incredible extent]], complete with shitting all over Marth's canon love interest Caeda.
** Little Mac/Samus became this due to their heights being compared in the former's reveal trailer.
** Palutena/Lucina for a rather... [[Les Yay|intimate]] picture of the two available as one of Lucina's ten pictures under her profile on the
* [[Creator's Pet]]:
* [[Crossover Ship]]: Given that this is one big [[Crossover]], fans are bound to do this.
* [[Demonic Spiders]]: Smash Run in Smash Bros. for 3DS has its fair share of these among the various enemies.
** Mimicuties and Clubberskulls keep this status from [[Kid Icarus: Uprising]], and are probably ''worse'' in this game thanks to the way it plays. Mimicuties rocket around the stage at Mach 10 while Clubberskulls have outrageous range and killing power, and both take a long time to kill. At least you can escape from Clubberskulls, Mimicuties will ''hunt your ass down''.
** Darknuts from [[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess]] are like in their home game, incredibly sturdy and hit hard, making wearing them down a chore like in their home game. Thankfully, they're close to dying when you get their armor off! ...but like in Twilight Princess, they become lightning quick and are still as strong as before. [[Oh Crap]].
** Cryogonal however went from a relatively easy [[Pokémon]] to dispatch in its home series to a nightmare of an enemy that will launch annoying screen-clearing ice beams that will freeze you solid, leaving you a sitting duck for other Smash Run enemies. Worse still,
** Egg Robos are similar in that they specialize in being ''pains in the ASS'' who nail you with long-ranged lasers.
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Metroid isn't really much of a success in Japan and the amount of games produced for it is not much compared to other Nintendo series. Hell, it has had only one protagonist with consistent roles, hence why you only get to play as Samus. We do get, however, two instances of Samus (her regular self and Zero Suit Samus), three Metroid themed stages in Brawl, along with two appearances of Ridley in the Subspace Emissary (other than the optional battle with Ganondorf, no Zelda boss appears).
** Captain Falcon.
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** Villager became this for many due to the fact that he has a rather odd fighting style (Growing and cutting down trees, using a Gyroid like a rocket, using a bug net to trap opponents...), and the psychopathic Villager meme he spouted helps a lot.
** Mega Man was requested for a long time, and his inclusion made a ''lot'' of people happy, especially due to Capcom more-or-less leaving him for dead.
** Greninja is this [[Hate Dumb]] aside for being a Pokémon who is actually rather popular with fans already due to being a cool looking Pokémon
** Palutena first came into prominence during her brief appearance in ''Brawl'''s Subspace Emissary mode, which led to a lot of fans requesting for her to be added in a future game. They got their wish in ''Smash 4'', where her large arsenal of moves and funny reveal trailer won the hearts of many. Her being top-tier in ''Smash Ultimate'' certainly helped... at least, among those who don't consider her a [[Tier-Induced Scrappy]].
** Robin
** Bowser Jr. and Rosalina both pull this sort of status thanks to the fact that they not only have very fun playstyles (Rosalina being a puppet-based fighter with Bowser Jr. relying on his Clown Car's assortment of tricks)and the fact that they were quite unexpected to show up. Even better in Bowser Jr's case: all seven Koopalings are playable by proxy due to him possessing them as alts.
* [[Even Better Sequel]]: ''Melee'', regarding the original, with trophies, more controls, more characters, more stages, and a competitive scene.
** ''Brawl'' is considered this to ''Melee'', by some people anyway.
* [[Fan Dumb]]: The "hurr-durr-Lucario-is-a-clone-of-Mewtwo" people base that off the fact that both of their neutral special moves involve making some sort of power ball. Other than that, Lucario and Mewtwo couldn't be any more different.
** The Mewtwo [[Fan Dumb]] EXPLODED once Lucario was revealed to be returning to Smash Bros 4 to truly embarrassing levels
** The same could be said with Ashley's fanbase once she was revealed to be an Assist Trophy.
* [[Goddamned Bats]]: Pretty much ''any'' Smash Run enemy can be this given the circumstances, but a few particular annoying ones stand out.
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** There's a glitch in ''Melee'' that lets you, among other things, play as Master Hand, though it is [[Game Breaking Bug|prone to crashing]]. Note that this glitch went undiscovered for ''seven years''.
** An AI glitch in ''Melee'' will occasionally cause a giant Yoshi fought in Classic mode to jump off the edge of the stage as soon as the match begins, giving you the victory in under five seconds.
* [[Hate Dumb]]: Lucario
** Zero Suit Samus
* [[Hell Is That Noise]]: If you hear the tell-tale 8-Bit drone of an approaching Orne, Run. Like. HELL.
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]:
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