Tales of Destiny/YMMV: Difference between revisions

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** Averted in the remake, where most of the [[Jerkass]] was dropped, and he comes off as more of a [[Jerk With a Heart of Gold]] or [[Jerkass Facade]].

* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Leon Magnus constantly tops favourite Tales series character polls in Japan, {{spoiler|returns in the sequel as Judas}}, and has a tendency to appear as a major player in other games like ''Namco X Capcom''. The remake even gave players an option to use him as the main character. {{spoiler|But he still dies the same way.}})

** Leon's ascendancy seems to have been eclipsed by [[Tales of Vesperia|Yuri]]-[[Memetic Badass|Freaking]]-[[Anti Hero|Lowell]], but considering Judas ranked as the 29th most popular character, were one to combine the number of votes Leon and Judas each gathered, Leon is ''still'' the most popular ''Tales'' character.

** Leon's ascendancy seems to have been eclipsed by [[Tales of Vesperia|Yuri]]-[[Memetic Badass|Freaking]]-[[Anti-Hero|Lowell]], but considering Judas ranked as the 29th most popular character, were one to combine the number of votes Leon and Judas each gathered, Leon is ''still'' the most popular ''Tales'' character.

** Kongman is a rather hilarious example, actually. He's a very minor optional character in the original, but his portrayal in the remake vaulted him into popularity. People love to hate him, and Namco's bonus DVD's waste ''no'' effort in ripping the piss out of him.

** Lilith's quite popular, considering she's a minor character.

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* [[Memetic Molester]]: Hugo is quite possibly the single best example in the series, no thanks to [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJVtcQoIssM this bit of] [[Memetic Mutation]].

* [[Memetic Mutation]]: Miktran/Kronos's original final form is a '''''GIANT STEAK!'''''

** [[They Changed It Now It Sucks|His remake one is an]] [[Eldritch Abomination]].

** [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|His remake one is an]] [[Eldritch Abomination]].

* [[Moral Event Horizon]]: {{spoiler|Miktran, whilst possessing Hugo, officially crosses the line when he sends Leon to fight Stahn and the others in the mine, resulting in Leon's death.}}

* [[Motive Decay]]: [[Big Bad]] {{spoiler|Miktran}}. In the original game, he was a [[Well Intentioned Extremist]] (like most ''[[Tales Series]]'' villains are) in that {{spoiler|he wanted to revive his people and genuinely believed that the Aetherians were in the right, as the Erthers started the War Between Heaven and Earth}}. In the remake, this motive has been replaced by simple megalomania.

* [[Motive Decay]]: [[Big Bad]] {{spoiler|Miktran}}. In the original game, he was a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] (like most ''[[Tales Series]]'' villains are) in that {{spoiler|he wanted to revive his people and genuinely believed that the Aetherians were in the right, as the Erthers started the War Between Heaven and Earth}}. In the remake, this motive has been replaced by simple megalomania.

* [[Too Cool to Live]]: Leon.

* [[The Scrappy]]: Rutee

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* [[I Knew It]]: Judas is {{spoiler|Leon}}!

* [[It Was His Sled]]: The fact that it is obviously {{spoiler|Leon beneath that mask}} has been lampshaded and parodied quite a bit. Here are [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYXiJVwYEQM a] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wsryWSlHE few] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQ7vhOriXw examples].

** Heck, some dramas treat this as a [[Paper Thin Disguise]]. one good one was when Stahn saw Leon (as Judas) and greeted him as Leon.

** Heck, some dramas treat this as a [[Paper-Thin Disguise]]. one good one was when Stahn saw Leon (as Judas) and greeted him as Leon.

* [[Mary Sue]] / [[Purity Sue]]: Reala dominates the plot and can do no wrong - basically the definition of a [[Mary Sue]]. While a handful of ''Tales'' heroines do have some [[Mary Sue]] traits, they're usually targets of [[Deconstructed Trope|Deconstruction]] that get substantial [[Character Development]] before the credits roll. Reala, however, plays them all totally straight.

* [[That One Boss]]: Damn you, your freezing aura and your 100% deflect ability, Elraine. You only really have Loni for healing and it doesn't help that his AI tends to run in and get knocked back. Any time you close in on her, she'll freeze your combos dead on track.

** '''Barbatos''', the second and third time you fight him. Especially frustrating in the latter, because at around half-health he [[Anti Magic|starts countering any offensive spells]] with one of his own, which is the only really effective way to damage bosses in the game.

** '''Barbatos''', the second and third time you fight him. Especially frustrating in the latter, because at around half-health he [[Anti-Magic|starts countering any offensive spells]] with one of his own, which is the only really effective way to damage bosses in the game.

* [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character]]: Reala falls into this category as well, and even spreads it to other characters. She's a [[Mary Sue|Sue]] without any deconstrucion, and the plot focuses on her so much, the other characters suffer for it.

* [[Uncanny Valley]]: Reala is a stick figure. Even with this game's art style, she looks weird. Her dress also makes her legs look much longer than they actually are and her torso look much smaller than it should be.