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[[File:Imperial Guard Baneblade Maximillian Weisemann 8072.jpg|link=Warhammer 4000040,000|frame|"Ready to unleash [[Up to Eleven|eleven]] [[More Dakka|barrels]] [[There Is No Kill Like Overkill|of hell]]!"]]
 
{{quote|"''Yea verily, though I charge through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am driving a house-sized mass of ''[[Precision F-Strike|fuck you.]]''"''
|'''Anonymous Mammoth Tank crewman''', |''[[Tiberium Wars]]''}}
 
{{quote|"''Your foe is well-equipped, well-trained, battle-hardened. He believes his gods are on his side. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours.''"
|'''Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, 14th Krieg Panzer Regiment''', |''[[Warhammer 40,000]]''}}
 
In large modern warfare engagements, infantry may as well be [[Cannon Fodder]]. You want something that can [[Hold the Line]]. Something with a [[BFG]], crawler treads and tons of armor. You want a tank.
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[[Real Life]] tanks have large cannons to take on other tanks and fortifications, and (usually) secondary weapons to deal with infantry or aircraft. In fiction, other tanks may use anti-infantry or [[Anti-Air|anti-aircraft]] weapons instead of cannons.<ref>These do exist in [[Real Life]], but they're not called tanks. To make the distinction even more difficult, many of these are based on existing tank chassis, so they look like tanks that have had their turrets swapped out. Cue [[Viewers are Morons|journalists and the general public]] [[Tanks, But No Tanks|calling them "tanks" anyway]].</ref> The tank's size and mobility may also be used as a weapon to crush people, cars, and walls. The armor is thick enough to stop small arms fire, most of it in the front, with the weakest areas being the rear, bottom and top. Expect enemies to take advantage of this [[For Massive Damage]].
 
Of course, the above paragraph refers to tanks around the size of today's main battle tanks. Sometimes that's not enough. <big>[[Bigger Is Better|They need to be bigger!]] Big enough to crush the ''other tanks''! [[There Is No Kill Like Overkill|And carry loads of weapons!]] While [[Multi-Track Drifting|While racing donuts around them!]] No, we're not compensating for anything!</big>
 
Other armored fighting vehicles, like [[Awesome Personnel Carrier|armored personnel carriers]], self-propelled artillery and tank destroyers may be called tanks. [[Tanks, But No Tanks|They're not. Don't be fooled!]] Likewise, don't listen to the [[Crazy Awesome|deranged lunatics]] who keep wanting to [[Walking Tank|put legs on them]]. [[It Will Never Catch On|Ridiculously impractical, that.]]
 
Related to [[Cool Car]], [[Cool Bike]], [[Cool Train]], [[Base on Wheels]], and other vehicle/warfare tropes—this is basically [[Cool Tank]]. Has nothing to do with [[Shorttank]], which makes you say '''Tank Goodness''' in a completely different way. Also has nothing to do with playing a damage-sponge character in an [[Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game|MMORPG]], or with the oxygen storage unit strapped to the back of a SCUBA diver.
 
For armed tank-like vehicles, which have legs instead of good ol' treads, see [[Spider Tank]]. For ones which [[Power Floats|float]], see [[Hover Tank]]. For ones that can travel underground, see [[Drill Tank]]. When the military geniuses of the world finally realize there is no firepower like battleship firepower, one may witnesses the ultimate tanks: [[Military Mashup Machine|Land Battleships.]]
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* At the beginning of ''[[Venus Wars]]'', Ishtar invades the Aphrodian capital, Io, using parachuting Superheavy tanks.
* ''[[Future War 198X]]'' has an awesome (and fairly accurate) huge tank battles on the North German Plains.
* In later light novels of ''[[ZeroThe noFamiliar Tsukaimaof Zero]]'', Saito obtains a King Tiger II tank from second world war.
* In the ''[[Ah! My Goddess]]'' manga, Skuld builds a tank for a [[There Is No Kill Like Overkill|rubber band fight.]]
* ''[[Girls und Panzer]]''. Tank battles can be awesome and ''adorable'' at the same time. Standard-size tanks, though.
 
 
== Comic Books ==
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* The [[Silver Age]] [[The DCU|DC Universe]]'s Haunted Tank. A [[World War II]] tank haunted by a [[The American Civil War|Confederate General]]. Which ends up with a black crew member.
** Haunted Tank recently reappeared in a Vertigo series.
 
 
== Fan Works ==
* Considering the page quote, it should come as no surprise that badass tanks are common in ''[[Tiberium Wars]]''. Tanks are depicted fairly realistically, with the interior of the tanks being cramped, noisy, and hot, and realistic tank tactics being used. The interior of the Mammoth Tanks are described as being more spacious, but still loud and uncomfortable.
* Despite the rise of Mecha and Engels, tanks are still viable and effective in ''[[Aeon Entelechy Evangelion]]'', and the tank crews joke about various disadvantages of the mecha and boast about the advantages of the tanks.
 
 
== Film ==
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* In ''[[Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade]]'', the Sultan of a fictional Arab nation lends support to the Nazi Grail expedition by providing them with transportation including tanks. The film shows one modified WWI tank, a Mark VIII with a turret dropped on top with the [[Rule of Cool]].
** Hatay was not a fictional nation (nor was it Arab). It merely existed for one year before willingly being absorbed into Turkey.
* The Landram was used in the [[Pilot Movie]] of [[Battlestar Galactica (1978 TV series)|the original ''[[Battlestar Galactica Classic]]'']] to save some humans from the Cylon -rigged Casino on planet Carolon.
* ''[[Ultra Series|UltraSeven]]'' featured the Dinosaur Tank as an antagonist. This was [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|Exactly What It Says]] [http://pulog1.exblog.jp/1424309/ On The Tin].
* ''[[Rambo]]'' used one in Part 3 to play chicken with a gunship.
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* [[Captain America: The First Avenger]] has several examples. HYDRA's armored vehicles powered by [[Magic From Technology|MAGIC!]] are everywhere, and stolen by Allied troops to even the playing field. Captain America himself highlights a primary flaw in [[Up to Eleven|size escalation]] when he takes out a comically-oversized three-story tank (A modified German Maus, which actually existed, and was actually that big, though in the real war only two hulls and one turret were ever built and none of them made it to the battlefield) with the classic [[Insert Grenade Here]].
* In the 1987 homage/parody ''[[Dragnet]]'', Friday assaults the bad guys' headquarters with the police version of this; instead of a gun, the tank sports a battering ram with a smiley-face on it.
 
 
== Literature ==
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* [[David Drake]]'s ''[[Hammer's Slammers]]'' stories.
* Michael Moorcock's ''The Land Leviathan''
* ''[[Discworld]]'' featured a steam tank of sorts in ''[[Discworld/Small Gods|Small Gods]]''—notably — notably, because its existence was enough to shift the balance of power and change history, Lu Tze of the [[Time Police|History Monks]] sabotaged its construction.
* "[[Shout-Out|Bun]] [[Killer Rabbit|Bun]]" in [[John Ringo]]'s [[Posleen War Series]]. See also the Tiger IIIs from the [[Posleen War Series]] novel ''Watch on the Rhine'', by Tom Kratman.
** [[Bun Bun]] (and the rest of the [[She Va]] vehicles) are self-propelled artillery, not tanks. It may be ridiculously big, but it carries a battleship's gun and very little armor for its size.
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* [[H. G. Wells]], anyone? He laid out the concept of tanks ("landships") and their coming dominance in wars in his 1904 short-story "The Land Ironclads", widely believed the inspiration for subsequent development of the real thing over the next 4 decades. That's right: he wrote a story about tanks before there were tanks.
** Beaten to the pop by Da Vinci, although said tank was about as close to today's machines as a galleon is to the Bismark.
* [[Robert A. Heinlein]]'s ''story [["If This Goes On—"]] --'' story has these. They are sort of "landships". His novel ''[[The Puppet Masters (novel)|The Puppet Masters]]'' has amphibious tanks or "mud turtles".
** To get an idea of the "landships", think of a [[WW 2II]] battleship that goes overland like a tank!
* [[The Draka]] Hond tank is the king of the battlefield in the Eurasian War, and the Draka produce them in Soviet Union-like numbers from their massive transcontinental empire.
* The ''Sovremenyy''.: the Russian jaggernaut (ice cruiser) rumbling across the south polar plains in Swedish dieselpunk novel ''Iskriget''.
* [[Fyodor Berezin]] is in love with this trope. As an example, the modern Soviet tanks from an alternate reality in his ''Red Stars'' duology (where the USSR dominates the world) are four-tracked monstrocities with huge cannons. This is explained by the fact that USSR struck first in [[World War Two]], destroying ''Germany'''s military-industrial complex instead of the Soviet one, allowing factories to keep building heavier and heavier tanks, like KV-3, and KV-4 (for reference, the [[Real Life]] KV-2 was armed with a howitzer cannon and 5 of these obliterated over 20 German tanks in one battle).
* While this seems to be the case with the [[Lizard Folk|Race]] landcruisers in [[Harry Turtledove]]'s ''[[Worldwar]]'' series, they're no more (and probably less) advanced than modern-day tanks. However, they're monsters in the books' [[World War Two]] setting, compared to what the human "empire and not-empires" can put out. The shells are laser—sorry, skelkwank-guided and can punch through any human armor. As mentioned by several characters on both sides, had the Race arrived only a generation later (as some of them wanted), the humans would've wiped the floor with them.
* ''[[World War Z]]'': HEAVILY Averted at the Battle of Yonkers. Tanks do very little to kill the massive hoard of zombies that start flooding the bridge.
 
== Live -Action TV ==
 
== Live Action TV ==
* One of Carter's few [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|Crowning Moments Of Awesome]] in ''[[Hogan's Heroes]]'' is when he infiltrates a German unit to recover confiscated TNT so they can blow up a bridge. However, rather than just getting the TNT and leaving, he requisitions and drives off with a German tank and they use ''that'' to blow the bridge.
* In series one of ''[[Ashes to Ashes]]'' Alex [[Awesome but Impractical|commandeers a hot pink gay pride tank so that she can total a car]].
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* Pearly, from the [[Space: Above and Beyond]] episode "Pearly". Who is most definitely NOT an APC, thank you very much.
* In ''The Gransazers'', when the Japanese military decides to build their own [[Humongous Mecha]] someone thought that its support vehicle should be a conventional tank- only a hundred times bigger.
 
 
== Music ==
* ''Ghost Division'' and ''Panzer Battalion'' by [[Sabaton]] are odes to tank units.
* ''Achtung Panzer'' by Raubtier is [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin]]: tanks are coming, "Feel the armored fist", as the chorus says.
 
 
== Tabletop Games ==
* ''[[Warhammer 40,000]]'' [[There Is No Kill Like Overkill|takes this Trope and makes sweet, sweet love to it]]. All races have access to some form of armored death machine, with the exception of the Tyranids (who have a broad variety of armored death ''biomechanoids'', but they all walk, crawl, hover, fly or slither rather than rolling). But it is the [[Imperial Guard]] who have access to the widest range of vehicles - from the ubiquitous Leman Russ main battle tank and Chimera armored personnel carrier/infantry fighting vehicle to the Baneblade super-heavy tank, pictured above in all its glory (yes, it [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Baneblade#Armament_and_Upgrades really does have] [[More Dakka|eleven barrels of hell]].<ref>If you want a quick breakdown: Baneblade battle cannon mounted in the turret, with a co-axial autocannon, Demolisher cannon mounted in the hull, two sponsons mounting twin-linked heavy bolters with two lascannons mounted on top of those, and a further twin-linked heavy bolter mounted in the hull</ref>) Then there's the Shadowsword, which is basically a Baneblade chassis housing a [[Wave Motion Gun|Volcano cannon]]—usually the main armament of [[Humongous Mecha|Titans the size of buildings]]. As for the other armies, the Space Marines and their Chaos counterparts (who can ''daemonically possess'' their tanks) have access to Predator tanks based on the Rhino APC along with the awesome [[Military Mashup Machine|troop transport/battle tank]] that is the Land Raider, while the Eldar and Tau use highly maneuverable skimmer tanks, although they tend to take their personnel carriers and turn them into tanks by adding an appropriately powerful gun that removes the capacity to carry troops. The Orks? Well, they use cobbled-together battlewagons and looted Imperial vehicles that shouldn't even be able to ''move'', let alone fight in combat. The Necrons have the titanic Monolith, a horribly-beweaponed flying tomb that is ludicrously hard to kill.
** Of the superheavies, Baneblade (yes, it [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Baneblade#Armament_and_Upgrades really does have] [[More Dakka|eleven barrels of hell]].<ref>If you want a quick breakdown: Baneblade battle cannon mounted in the turret, with a co-axial autocannon, Demolisher cannon mounted in the hull, two sponsons mounting twin-linked heavy bolters with two lascannons mounted on top of those, and a further twin-linked heavy bolter mounted in the hull</ref>) is the most widespread. But then there's the Shadowsword, which is basically a Baneblade chassis housing a [[Wave Motion Gun|Volcano cannon]]—usually the main armament of [[Humongous Mecha|Titans the size of buildings]]. And so on. See the [https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.com/2020/06/40k-esoteric-baneblade-variants.html table of Baneblade variants] (not quite complete — there was also Deathhammer back in [[Horus Heresy]] era).
** See also the [https://web.archive.org/web/20110920195117/http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14209 treadhead thread].
*** A lot of the credit also has to go to [https://web.archive.org/web/20150809212706/http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/ Forge World], which is apparently what happens when you give Warhammer 40K fans/World War II buffs a Games Workshop license and a load of resin. Even counting old discontinued designs, they're responsible for about half the tanks of the [[Imperial Guard]], and up to 70% of the tanks for the Eldar and Tau.
** The Imperial Guard's Leman Russ has to be considered the most successful design of them all though, in terms of overall utility and practicality (Baneblades may be powerful, but are exceedingly rare and used sparingly). The vanilla Leman Russ is already an excellent vehicle that is powerful against infantry (even Space Marines) with a decent anti-vehicle punch, but it can be customized using a wide variety of variants. The long-barreled Vanquisher, for example, is an excellent tank killer, while the Exterminator mows through infantry like a scythe through wheat.
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** ''[[Valkyria Chronicles II]]'' gives you a fully customizable tank, as all classes get a tank, and you even get to name it. Different kinds of tank and APC chassis, choice from three turret types, various armor, shoulder and back parts and decal and sticker options.
** ''[[Valkyria Chronicles III]]'' uses the same mechanic as ''II'', but further refines it and adds more customization options, as well as making the heavy tank easier to move around.
* ''[[Armored Core]]'' would be the ultimate Tank Goodness poster child: most games offer the tank legs. Very slow, but usually very heavily armored, has very low energy drain, has built-in boosters, so it actually saves the main body weight, and carry loads like nothing else. With that in mind, most kinds of tanks can fulfill requirements of [[More Dakka]], [[Macross Missile Massacre]], [[Nuke'Em|Tactical Nukes]], or all of the above, ''with [[Stone Wall]] defenses''. [[There Is No Kill Like an Overkill]] is guaranteed. And then, starting from [[PlayStation 2]] Armored Core titles, you have the option of having Overboost, and later additional boosters. At that point, tanks can finally achieve [[Multi-Track Drifting]], made even more possible by mounting the best generators. And even with all that, most players don't really consider it, since [[Rule of Cool|Gundamlike bipedal robots are just cooler.]]
** Also, ''Armored Core 4'' has regular modern tanks. [[Tanks for Nothing|They might as well be plushies for all the good they do.]]
*** AC 4A allows tank legs to store oversized backup weapons, like, oh, another set of Chain Guns. Or Bazookas. ''Or damn near anything else in the game.'' It's possible to make a mech that has [[More Dakka|6 Chain guns]], two of which are actually 4 rifles attached to each other. Said mech is usually very hard to kill, but can run out of ammo in about 2 minutes of concentrated fire. I've yet to see something stand up to a full 30 seconds though, as most NEXTs only have around 60K HP, tops.
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* [[The Onion]]: The sadly axed [https://web.archive.org/web/20100309021403/http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_axes_pentagon_plan_to_build Dragon Tank].
* [[Shadowhunter Peril]] has Veronica, who can [[Bag of Holding|telescope a tank out of her purse.]] She uses it for the most [[Mundane Utility|mundane tasks,]] such as transportation down the street, or [[There Is No Kill Like Overkill|killing a single demon.]] There are times when it comes in handy, though. Like the [[Final Battle]].
 
 
== Western Animation ==
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** Red Army has [[wikipedia:T-35|T-35]] (built in 1933-1939) with five turrets, mounting a total of three cannons and six machine guns. Wiith 7-11 crewmen [https://web.archive.org/web/20131015225147/http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/tanks-heavy/t-35.asp depending on the model]. Even more of a Lego-machine, since first it got its four side-turrets from BT-2, later replaced with combination of BT-5 (slightly modded) and T-37 turrets.
*** And proved, like its predecessor, the [[wikipedia:Vickers A1E1 Independent|Vickers A1E1]], to be a flop. If you look on the list of how they were lost, most were to various malfunctions due to the combination of complicated machine and USSR tech/craftsmanship.
* [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=210 KV-2], which mounted a [[BFG|152mm howitzer]] (largest caliber weapon ''ever'' fitted on a production tank), but was virtually immobile and couldn't traverse its turret unless it was on perfectly level ground. Its intended role was an ''assault gun'', i.e. self-propelled bunker-buster, better compared with the German Jagdpanzers or StuGs. As such neither did it need much mobility, nor lack of ease of use would be all that detrimental for it. Of course, these lumbering behemots performed well enough [[Finns With Fearsome Forests|slowly chewing through Mannerheim's concrete]], in highly mobile warfare of the summer campaign of 41 they acted more as mobile fortifications—unable to hit anything that doesn't stand and wait for it, but armored heavier than [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=313 KV-1] that were able to [https://web.archive.org/web/20130412151323/http://books.google.com/books?id=5EA5LrwmP2UC&pg=PA36 survive over a hundred cannon hits] and beat lighter tanks by ''[[Ramming Always Works|ramming]]''. [https://web.archive.org/web/20130412084305/http://books.google.com/books?id=5EA5LrwmP2UC&pg=PA18 One well-placed KV-2 was enough to stop a division]: tanks and anti-tank cannons failed to penetrate its armour, so Germans stuck until they brought in 88-mm anti-air guns. 105-mm howitzers were able to only to blow off tracks off these monsters, but not destroy them. KV's worst enemy were the Stukas (bombs were more practical against heavy armored but slow tanks) and Red Army's own logistical troubles. Still, the scheme was good enough to reuse production lines, upgrading both assault gun and tank branches, and later turn KV series into [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=191 IS] series.
** Talking about IS tanks ( '''I'''ossif '''S'''talin, by the way), don't forget the [[wikipedia:IS-2|IS-2]], a heavy, breakthrough tank developed to counter the German Panthers & Tigers whose main armament was a [[More Dakka|122mm gun]].
** Although the Soviets won the war by mass-producing the awesome-in-its-own-way T-34 and KVs, they were also prone to [[Crazy Awesome]] experiments, such as the unmanned, remote-controlled [[wikipedia:Teletank|Teletank]] and the [[wikipedia:Antonov A-40|Antonov A-40]] ''[[Rule of Cool|flying tank]]'' or strapping a pair of 245-mm rocket rails on top of [[Glass Cannon|BT-5 light tank]] (reappeared in more sane variant as side rockets on KV-1, but cancelled due to low accuracy).
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** Americans meanwhile tried [http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=331 T28 Super Heavy Tank / Gun Motor Carriage T95], redesignated back and forth due to lack of turret. 95-ton monstrosity with 8&nbsp;mph top speed and 4 sets of tracks for different soils wasn't much more usable than the rest, but at least got to move on its own—there are two prototypes.
** The author of the book ''My Tank Is Fight!'', which specifically looks into the various super projects of World War II and puts forth hypothetical scenarios involving their deployments, mentioned that were the Rattes or Monsters to be built they would likely have to be built in ''naval shipyards'' (and be subject to the same allied bombing raids as the other ships). They would be devastating, sure...for the first encounter, after which they would likely be bombed out of existence from the air. That's not counting even narrower list of accessible terrains and inability to cross most contemporary bridges. [[Awesome but Impractical]].
** Somewhere in between is [[wikipedia:Obyekt 279|Obyekt 279]] ("Object 279"), a Soviet prototype heavy tank with a maximum armor of 305mm and a 130mm cannon. It is designed to withstand a [[Mnogo Nukes|nuclear attack]], and it seems that it doesn't fail its purpose. '''Two pairs''' of tracks (claimed ground pressure is 0.6 kg/cm² — in "human without much load" range; losing one track would push it past heavy tank norm, but still viable on hard ground) and 1000 horsepower to move 60 tons allowed it to be a tank and not a self-propelled bunker—velocity on a road is claimed to be 55&nbsp;km/h and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okTc-87-XvU you can see] how it plows through snow and swamp. Canceled, like most projects of its time not related to either nuclear missiles, space race or overdue upgrade of production capabilities.
*** Note that this "flying saucer" shape isn't armor (which would be a weight-inefficient form), it's a screen over it. You can see from reflections how the thin sheet is warped, on some photos slightly crumpled, [http://www.armorjournal.com/index-tanks-object279.php on close-ups] also holes where external parts are attached and hinged access panels. It's probably good both from NBC perspective (at least, makes it easier to decontaminate) and for its primary purpose (a different shape, very slanted, with the widest gap over the least slanted side).
* Speaking of the failed German superheavy tanks from World War II, there's also what was without a doubt Nazi Germany's [[Lightning Bruiser|scariest war machine]]—if not its most reliable—the PzKpfw VI, otherwise known as the Tiger. Yes, its design suffered from being overengineered, lacking sloped armour and being costly to produce, but it's arguably the most iconic armoured vehicle to ever have existed, with its thick armour and [[BFG|enormous 88mm cannon]]. Allied forces suffered "Tiger terror" for a reason, and recommended tactics for Sherman tanks—at least before stuff like the Firefly came about—was to outnumber it ''five'' to one, and it was still generally accepted that four of those were likely to be destroyed. [[We Have Reserves|Since there were many more Shermans than Tigers, though...]] (Specifically, ''25'' Shermans for every Tiger I, II, or Jagdtiger.)
** Or the [[wikipedia:Tiger II|Tiger II (aka King Tiger)]], a [[Up to Eleven|Tiger tank in steroids]] with an even more powerful gun and sloped armor. However, mechanical problems were quite common and few were built as they appeared in the last year of the war.
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** Being cheap also goes well with the fact that it was relatively manufacture them by the numbers. Crew compartments were crude, sure, but all that time saved furnishing for comfort could result in more tanks being made and sent straight away to push the front lines nearer to Berlin.
** To quote creator of this tank, M.I. Koshkin: "Even fool can invent something complicated". And this tank was simple.
** The Military Channel show ''Top Tens'' episode on tanks ranked the T-34 as number one, ahead of M1 Abrams. One of the main ranking categories were production numbers and historical impact. The M1 Abrams, while arguably the best modern tank, has not yet made significant historical impact. Also, they're very high-tech and expensive, meaning there aren't very many of them made. The T-34 is the second most produced tank in history(after the T-54/55) and was crucial in turning the tide of a world war. It's, basically, the AK-47 of tanks (which won the best rifle ranking in another episode) — [[Master of None|not too impressive]] in performance statistics, but practically good enough, and fit for production and maintenance in great numbers.
* The [http://www.kubinka.ru/newindex.php?id=3〈=2 Kubinka Tank Museum] near Moscow has got tanks of just about all degrees of awesome in one place. Including the five-turret T-35, including Obyekt 279, and including a 188-ton Maus formed from the hull from the turretless first prototype mated to the turret from the second prototype.
* The humble M4 Sherman has a poor reputation nowadays due to its performance during the Second World War, when it was forced to fight Panthers and Tigers with an inferior gun and [[Zerg Rush]] tactics. However, that all changed when the Israelis got their hands on some Shermans and gave it the love it deserved. Their first major kitbash, the M50 Sherman, ironically replaced the original 75mm gun with a more powerful French 75mm gun derived from the German ''Panther'''s Kwk 42. Another kitbash, the M51, did away with the 75mm altogether and opted for a 105mm gun. Both types saw extensive action during the many Arab-Israeli Wars, facing tanks that were far superior to any Tiger or Panther. The Israeli Shermans, along with other more modern Western contemporary designs, consistently beat the crap out of these newer tanks.
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** The most massively ironic factor? Syria fielded, among more modern Soviet export tanks, surplus ''Panzer IVs''.
** The Sherman, despite being outgunned and out-armored by the Panther and Tiger, did have some real advantages. It was the very first tank to have a stabilized main gun, allowing a limited ability to fire on the move. It also was quite agile for a medium tank of its era and relatively compact, allowing it to go places a Panther or especially a [[Mighty Glacier|Tiger]] could never dream of.
* The Slovakian's have a Version of the T-72 that has a pair of 20MM Anti-air guns [https://web.archive.org/web/20131020033417/http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t72/t726.html attached to the side of the turret.]
* The very first tank battle took place at Villers-Bretonneaux in 1918. It involved a battle between 10 tanks on the British side (1 male Mark IV, 2 female Mark IVs, 7 Whippets){{spoiler|*:In [[World War I]] British parlance, a "female" tank was one armed solely with machine guns, while a "male" tank had cannons as its main armament. Later "tankette" was used for machinegun-only light tank as a separate subtype.}} and 3 German A7V Sturmpanzerwagens. None of them were very good tanks, yet the battle looked awesome, with both sides accquitingacquitting themselves quite well: the Germans lost their lead tank, [[I Call It "Vera"|Nixie]] (whose crew later stole her back), but knocked out 4 Whippets and forced the female Mark IVs to retreat, while the British and their Australian allies ultimately won the battle.
* British Infantry Tank II Matilda. Before late 1941 it completely outclassed anything the Germans and Italians could throw in, and the only weapon which had chances to destroy it was the [[Cool Gun|88 mm anti-aircraft gun]]. It gained the nickname ''Queen of the Desert'' during the Operation Compass in 1940. Obsolete at West by 1942, the surviving Matildas were shipped to Far East - where it proved superior against anything the Japanese had. The Australians dubbed Matilda as ''Queen of the Jungle''. One of the more whimsical modifications was to equip Matilda with Hedgehog ''depth charge'' launcher. [No, it was (not used against submarines, but Japanese bunkers). It had a weak engine for its weight, but on small flat islands it didn't matter that much.]
 
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