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== The perpetual existence of the Universe that the Anti-Spirals want would be a horror beyond imagining. ==
The Big Crunch, the Spiral Nemesis; death; is ultimately a necessary function to the evolution of the Universe. Scientists even theorize that when the Big Crunch does happen, the singularity that it created will become a "Big Bounce": it will start another Big Bang, thus giving birth to new varieties of physics or life. Keep in mind, despite all their talk about protecting the universe, the Anti-Spirals have suffered such massive [[Motive Decay]] to the point of becoming nihilists who have zero concept of quality of life. As long as something continues to exist; in any form; they see it as their job accomplished. An endless, eternal [[And I Must Scream]].
And that is why the Spirals choose a [[Dying Moment of Awesome]] in a Big Crunch rather than accepting the [[Lotus Eater Machine|eternal paradise]] the Anti-Spirals offered.
== The entire show is the past of [[Doctor Who
Time Lord technology is to the point where it can be easily mistaken for magic. This is because it's powered partially by spiral power. Notice when we get a map of "Earth", it looks barely like Earth (there's a freaking land bridge connecting Asia and Australia and North and South America don't exist). Some even crazier things cause this world to become Gallifrey. The Doctor is, of course, the reincarnation of Kamina. How else could he go [[Serial Escalation]] so often, pull off insane outfits and get machines to do things that seem impossible (combining Gurren and Lagann shouldn't have worked, the TARDIS has a control panel made of random stuff)
== Viral has had Spiral power ever since the beginning of the series ==
* Lets see, earliest example was when Viral saved Adine by catching Dai-
* This may explain why, despite not being that high up in the chain of command, Viral is almost completely human.
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== The Gunmen were built by none other than [[Phineas and Ferb]] ==
* It makes sense that the gunmen were built by someone that already had a reputation for going [[Serial Escalation]].
** Logically, this makes Perry their equivalent to Boota.
== Rossiu's character shift during the Time Skip was the result of a delayed reaction to Nia's cooking. ==
* Everybody else on team Dai-Gurren agreed that the food tasted awful, but Rossiu reacted especially badly. Obviously a person's reaction to Nia's cooking is different based on the amount of Spiral Power they can manifest at the time. Therefore, Simon, having already managed to manifest crazy amounts of Spiral Power, enjoys her cooking immensely, while the rest of Team Dai-Gurren, who have manifested only enough to pilot Gunmen, merely think it tastes terrible. Rossiu, on the other hand, having grown up in the dreary Adai Village, cannot even get into the proper mindset to manifest Spiral Power, and reacts violently to Nia's cooking. Over time the effects grew more pronounced as Rossiu continued refusing to manifest Spiral Energy to counter the effect, eventually corrupting his personality and leading to the post-timeskip Rossiu. Fortunately, the effects began to reverse themselves once Simon purged Rossiu's body of the infection via a Spiral-infused punch to the face.
** Best WMG ever.
** Except the reason Rossiu got as sick as he did is because he forced himself to sample every dish where as the rest of the Dai-Gurrn Dan (sans Simon and Boota) only ate a bite or two.
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* She wanted to die because she didn't want to cheat by abusing Simon's Spiral Energy to stay alive. They both agreed on that, because Simon promised the Anti-Spiral that he'll prevent Spiral Nemesis from happening, and excessive use of Spiral Energy was "banned".
== The first 30 seconds of Episode one is when Simon finds the [[
...Fighting the Spiral-Nemesis. With [[Transformers|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megas XLR|Coop]] helping Gai out.
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After the final battle with the Anti-Spiral, as they are all sitting in their Laganns, Nia discovers an internal message encoded inside her. It turns out that all of Lordgenome's daughters were potential messengers, and when a messenger dies, she is transported to an alternate universe as part of Anti-Spiral experiments. Before their wedding, Simon and Nia find out how to track her to whatever universe she will go to, and after the wedding, Simon does just that. He has a final adventure, where he rescues Nia, helps her get a human body, and returns home. They live in secret to avoid, as another troper has noted, people who might still want to kill her. Following the epilogue, Simon goes to his simple home, where an older Nia and their children can be seen.
Also, I have always thought of the alternative universe he travels to being one of many Neon Genesis Evangelion Universes, which he proceeds to fix as he searches for Nia. However, your mileage may vary with that idea.
* Considering that your idea helps to keep this troper from bawling on subsequent viewings of the series, I wholeheartedly support the theory. On another note, looking at things from that point of view also makes Simon's last line, where he stops himself just short of his traditional catch phrase, seem more...er...less(?) heartrending. He is deliberately staying out of the limelight for Nia's sake.
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* Must... not... write... fanfic... Hold... together...
* Here's the thing: how did they find ''her'' before, when she was being analyzed by the Anti-Spirals? Perceptual dimensional teleportation ''using the wedding ring as the target''. The one thing Nia leaves Simon before fading away is the wedding ring. It's almost as though she's flat-out telling him that they can find each other, wherever they are, no matter what happens. Depending on the way you look at the wedding, this can either make for a happy ending for the couple where he can find her wherever she is (or, dare I say, vice-versa), or it can give more impact to when Simon gave up his core drill (and therefore his handy/only access to perceptual teleportation via
* The alternate reality Simon went to? It was the world of Parallel Works 01. The Simon and Nia depicted in the video are, in fact the Simon and Nia of the primary continuity. The versions of Yoko and Kamina seen are alternate versions native to that universe. Finaly, the monster that Simon faces at the end is a physical manifestation of the remnants of the anti spirals consciousness, holding Nia captive for revenge.
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== The Opening Sequence of Episode 1 is the [[Bad Ending]] for the series. ==
The introductory sequence of episode 1 prior to the title card, featuring Captain Garlock about to take on all the heavenly lights in the sky, is the bad ending for the series, wherein Simon, instead of listening to the pleas of the Anti-Spiral, goes on to continue his space travels and becomes the Spiral Nemesis. The last shot of the scene before the series title and episode title is the last moments in the universe before Simon destroys everywhere and everywhen in Space-time with Chouginga Gurren Lagann and its Maelstrom Cannon.
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* The obvious trigger of his action is {{spoiler|[[Love Makes You Crazy|Nia's death]]}}. How can he give up his power and authority
== The Prologue to Episode 1 takes place between the end of Episode 27 and the [[Distant Finale]] epilogue. ==
After the final battle with the Anti-Spiral, Earth makes contact with the other Spiral races who had been kept oppressed until Simon's victory. Of course, as Simon learns after the [[Time Skip]], that doesn't mean that they all are grateful. Since Viral is taking the Cho-Ginga Dai-Gurren to a peace conference in the epilogue, 20 years after the previous scene, there's plenty of time for the other Spirals to unite against the Earthlings and plenty of time for the old hero, Simon, to fight once again for his friends and world to live in peace. The parallel between Humanoid!Boota's line "all the lights in the heavens are our enemies" in the prologue and Simon saying "all the lights in the heavens are our friends" might also support this theory.
* Maybe it's not ''all'' the spiral races uniting against humanity, but a single, evil spiral race that nevertheless gained the power to manufacture vast forces through the use of Spiral Energy. If the entire universe of spiral races unites against humanity, then humanity must be evil, and that takes us down the Bad Ending route.
** Then again, [[Humans Are the Real Monsters|Humans Are Bastards]]...
== The Prologue to Episode 1 is part of Boota's fantasy realm in Episode 26. ==
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** More specifically, the leader of the Spiral Knights shown is Lord Genome right before the defeat that would force him to become a [[Knight Templar]]. The Cathedral Terra ''was'' his ship, after all.
*** No, that's no good as a theory. If you listen to the prologue, you can clearly hear Lord Genome's voice from offscreen. He's not Captain Garlock.
**** That was just the narrator. He just happens to have the same voice actor as Lord Genome.
** This theory is supported by Parallel Works 8, which shows a young Lord Genome (who looks very similar to adult Simon) standing in the ''exact'' same place on the ''exact'' same ship, even using the exact same pan out from its top along its body to show it off. Of course, this wouldn't explain the flags in the prolog with Kamina's glasses, so it's more likely they just liked the imagery and reused it, but...
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== The guy from the Prologue, Kamina's father, and Simon...all ALL THE SAME GUY! ==
We know that Spiral Energy can affect both space and 'time'. Now take a look at Future Simon...'LOOK' at him! Does he even look different than Kamina's father? There are only minor differences in their clothing: in terms of build and general appearance, they're all but identical. Indeed, one could say that Kamina's dad is simply a slightly older-looking version of Future Simon. Now, let's posit an [[Stable Time Loop|Ontological Paradox]] here: Simon gets his hands on this Spiral Energy stuff; after that distant finale nonsense, he regains his awesome and goes on to fight "all the stars in the heavens". He is defeated and knocked back in time, along with the Gunmen in the Gurren Brigade, and eventually ends up being the very thing that triggers the Anti-Spiral attack on Earth. He later fathers Kamina before returning to the surface to die, possibly by suicide. This creates an interesting situation because the Gunmen, and Lagann itself, now have no actual origin...hence an ontological paradox, a time loop wherein the origin of the loop is either inobvious or impossible to determine. This, if you think about it, goes well with the infinite spiral theme of the show.
* This makes a frightening amount of sense. After all, they guy from the prologue does say that the attack he's about to use will twist the fabric of spacetime. It explains why Lagann is under Jeeha village as well. The timing might not be right for him to be the reason the Anti-Spiral attacked Earth, but otherwise it works awfully well.
** It helps that Parallel Works 8 shows that Lord Genome ''found'' his Lagann-equivalent, as well, instead of just building it from scratch. Presumably, Simon brought back the dozens of other Lagann units as well.
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== The guy in the prologue is Kamina in an AU where he didn't die. ==
Kamina would have defeated [[Lord Genome]] and continued his reach for the heavens and acted on what he told Simon in episode 6. To reach the moon. Where he would find the Terra Cathedral and transformed it, inevitably leading to him riding in his battleship across the universe battling everyone he could find and exploring; until the rest of the Spiral races believed that he would destroy them. Of course Kamina would be crazy(and hotblooded enough) enough to declare war on everyone and everything, thus leading to " All the lights in the heavens are our enemy..."
== The guy in the prologue is future Ryoma from [[Getter Robo]]. ==
Think about it. When we see him in ''Shin Getter Robo'' he's piloting an ENORMOUS ship with a face on the front (that can also transform into a giant robot), causes lots and lots of explosions and is literally the enemy of everything in the universe. In Āḥ, it's revealed that he's gone a bit crazy with the [[Green Rocks|Getter Rays]] and is now on a crusade to evolve the shit out of the universe. Not to mention the prologue guy's line "we'll smash them along with space-time itself" sounds a lot like his own line: "leave it to me. I'll crush them, along with the moon!"
== The guy in the prologue is Lordgenome, right after he first turns evil. ==
Any similarities to the main cast is a result of identical descendants.
* Actually no, we see Lordgenome taking the same stance and ordering similar commands in Parallel works 8. He looked entirely different then, no features between Lordgenome and [[GA Rlock]] look similar in any way.
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== Lagann was made by the Anti-Spirals ==
And it was a trap too. Think about it. There is a swarm of Lagann's in the condensed Space-Time Ocean. That means that nearly every race that attacked the Anti-Spiral's somehow gained access to identical machinery. The Anti-Spirals made Lagann, sending them out to every Spiral Race as part of their trap. Any Spiral with enough Spiral Power to operate a Lagann would be considered a threat. At this point, Lagann would subconsciously manipulate them into seeking out the Anti-Spiral's, where they could be destroyed. When Kamina died, Lagann stopped working because Simon was in a state of absolute despair, and assumed it's purpose was fulfilled. Once Simon manifested Spiral Power again, it chased him down to complete it's mission.
* This is supported by Parallel Works 8, where we see where they come from
== Getter Rays are a form of Spiral Energy, but intelligent. ==
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* Theming: NGE is a deconstruction, TTGL parodies and thrives on cliches as homages.
** a.k.a Reconstruction. With NGE they tore it down and with TTGL they rebuilt it.
* Characters:
** Shinji and Simon both pilot powerful emotion-bound mecha. The main mecha of each series, though several in both have the potential to have that emphasis.
** Blue haired mentor: Misato and Kamina, who both act as surrogate family figures. Both had a glimpse at the another world ahead of many others and were abandoned by their fathers at this glimpse - Misato in Antarctica, and Kamina on the surface. Both pick up a trinket from their fathers - Misato the necklace, Kamina the cape.
** Red haired hyper girl and rival/love interest: Asuka and Yoko, mostly earlier on. Yoko wanted to take Simon's spot in Lagann. Each was the most experienced fighter of the three children of each show in the beginning.
** Creepy artificial daughter of the plotter: Rei/Nia. Lord Genome is a Gendo figure, but the plotter continues on after he is redeemed when it is revealed that Nia is also the creation of the Anti-Spirals. [[The End of the World
*** Nia is easily the most obvious of the Expies this WMG is about. They even look alike, especially after Yoko cuts Nia's hair.
**** [[Two Words: Obvious Trope|Three Words]]: Giant Naked <s> Rei</s> Nia
** Zen Survivor dark figure/father of a protagonist: Gendo and Lord Genome, both of whose goals are tied to their "hell": Gendo to continue abusing the power to revive the dead, Lord Genome to keep others from following his path.
* Similar plot points: The creation of the prototype (Gurren Lagann), and the copies being inferior. [[Heroic BSOD]] of the main character after the death/near death of a close friend. Splitting into alternate universes and coming back. The only difference is that Shinji ends up numb, broken and on the verge of suicide, while Simon snaps out of it, [[Took a Level
** Does the Instrumentality sequence at the end of ''End of Evangelion'' happen in reverse in episode 26 in ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'', where the spirit of Kamina rescues the characters bodily from the Anti-Spiral's illusory world?
** The Anti-Spirals already created giant robots of their own to fight against... something (not sure what). They slowly realized that the more they fought, the faster they doomed themselves. They gave in to dispair and Instrumentalized themselves, becoming an all-powerful being that could bend the very fabric of reality.
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== The laws of physics in TTGL consist ''solely'' of the [[Rule of Cool]] and [[Rule of Funny]]. ==
To quote (with some changes) its entry into [[Calling Your Attacks]]: Pre-Time Skip, the only time that an attack's ''full'' name isn't shouted (''Certain Kill'' Giga Drill Breaker) and accompanied with a [[In the Name of
* Whilst it may seem attractive to think that the [[Rule of Cool]] is the only mechanism operating in TTGL, it's clear that the [[Rule of Funny]] exerts a significant force as well.
** And, of course, [[Everything's Better
* Your citations of [[Calling Your Attacks]] fail to take into account that despite ''Lagann Impact'' being the full name of the other big attack used in that battle, it too failed. [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Depressing]] though it may be that the [[Rule of Cool]] failed in that aspect, it also worked out - Lord Genome blocked it by grabbing it and subsequently detonating the Rasengan's arm.
** That was Lord Genome, [[Dangerously Genre Savvy]] character that he is, using his own [[Badass]] [[Rule of Cool]]-ery.
* Or, more simply, there is only one Law of Physics: If it looks cool, [[Ascended Fanon|Sure Why Not]].
== Simon is The Pope. ==
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* <s>The list goes on, with many of these being supported by [[ADV Films|the translators']] love of [[Actor Allusion]] (even more so than in the Evangelion connections, mentioned above).</s>
* As stated above, curse you and your legal team, [[ADV Films]].
** Alternatively, all these connections are friendly [[Shout
* As an added bonus, if you take the [[Grand Unifying Guesses]] theory that TTGL is a sequel to [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]], this makes [[Martian Successor Nadesico]] the sequel to an Evangelion [[Elseworld]]...my money's on ''Angelic Days''.
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The Anti-spiral's realization of the dangers of Spiral power came from Sailor Chaos' reign of terror, which was stopped by Sailor Cosmos, who became inspired by Sailor Moon's willingness to fight during the Stars arc of Sailor Moon (the manga) to fight instead of run away. The Anti-spirals, now afraid of such power, become the Anti-spirals of GL, use their avatar to promptly kill Sailor Cosmos, and attack Earth, wiping out a good deal of what's left and leaving the one remaining knight, Lord Genome, in charge.
** This also meens that Teppilin/Kamina City was Crystal Tokyo at some point.
** And that Nia is the reincarnation of the dreaded Sailor Chaos. Makes sense, except... Well, we'll leave the rest to the [[Sailor Moon
== The events of Gurren Lagann are a chronicle of the distant past of the ''[[Pokémon]]'' universe. ==
Consider: Boota evolved (even if only in his mind) from his mole-pig form into a [[Cute Shotaro Boy]] in [[Cool Sunglasses]]. Since none of the alternate universes The Will uses against the Dai-Gurren-dan appear actively impossible with the series' physics, this implies that Boota could do this, or at least something similar, in the real world. (Presumably, if push comes to shove, he could do so again with Simon's help.) In any case, the chain of events is as follows: After Simon's (long-delayed) death, the pretty-much-immortal mole-pig goes on to sire a numberless legion of Spiral-powered hybrid creatures. The galaxy unites briefly, but separates once more when they recognize that their expansion is leading towards the Spiral Nemesis. A trackless time passes. Boota's hyper-powered descendants, born with the capacity to retain enormous amounts of Spiral power, evolve at warp speed, speciating into countless different varieties of creature, many of them near-sentient. Humanity eventually abandons the form of Ganmen and much of their dependence on Spiral power. Meanwhile, the Beastmen, unable to regenerate any longer, go extinct. Millenia pass, and the world- already very different from present-day Earth- regrows and reshapes itself further. Even the Great Gurren-dan is relegated to little more than legend, and eventually forgotten altogether.
Pokemon evolve the way they do because of their inherent Spiral energy - ''without'' invoking its nature as a super-powerful form of [[Applied Phlebotinum]]. Simply put, Pokemon store Spiral power as they fight and evolve- generally beyond their control- when they've accrued enough. A strong-willed human can help them suppress this drive, either through intense focus or Everstones- which are bits of The Will's unit, Grand Zamboa, still rich with Spiral-suppressing energy. Debris from both units rained down on Earth after the battle in Super Spiral Space; consequently the Element Stones can be assumed to come from TTGL- or Chouginga, in the case of Moon Stones. Rare Candy is crystallized Boota poo- and it's not REALLY candy. As soon as it's given to a Pokemon, it disintegrates to release a small amount of Spiral energy.
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* There's no telling how deep this rabbit hole goes: [http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp298/BlueJoshi/kidgenome.jpg Lord Genome had a Pikachu].
** There's also Nidorino/Nidorina, Mew, and possibly Pidgey in that photo.
* If Pikachu is a direct-line male heir to Boota, and Squirtle is Kamina, what does that say about Ash?! [[Kid Hero]], [[Idiot Hero]], able to tell [[
* I'd say that Spoink is probably the closest strain to Boota - not only are they pigs, but they're attached to a spiral!
** With Black/White having just hit, we have further links. Boota's lineage still includes Piloswine and etc- but [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Drilbur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29 Drillbur and Excadrill] are his most direct descendants (well, aside from Pikachu somehow). They even get [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Drill_Run_%28move%29 GIGA DRILL BREAKER], for Arceus' sake. Also, Skyla is Yoko's direct descendant. This isn't even a question. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Skyla Seriously.] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Golett Golett] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Golurk_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29 Golurk] are powered by Spiral Energy directly and may even be related to Ganmen; perhaps they're tsukumogami of the forgotten mecha? Also, there's the bit where the oldest ruin in Unova is the Dragon*Spiral* tower. This may be less relevant, of course, but it's at least worth noting.
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* Mewtwo is more powerful than Mew. Clearly this is due to being better at harnessing Spiral Power, being more humanoid and all.
== Gurren Lagann takes place in the same universe as ''[[
The Anti-Spirals tried a different approach on Dragonball's earth and managed to seal away most of humanity's Spiral Power. Saiyans also possessed limited Spiral potential, but they were still a primitive race when the war with the Anti-Spirals took place and managed to escape their notice.The reason saiyan/human hybrids like Gohan possess so much "hidden power" is that the addition of saiyan DNA allows them to partially bypass the Anti-Spirals' restrictions, giving them access to Spiral energy.
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* Also, name three other series that have such a stupidly ridiculous love of powering up.
== Gurren Lagann takes place in the same universe as ''[[Heroes (TV series)|Heroes]]'' ==
On a planet with Spiral potential even more limited than Dragonball, restrictors built into the moon have begun to fail. Around a rare celestial alignment involving the moon eclipsing the sun, it temporarily loses all power, allowing certain humans to awaken Spiral energy. Naturally, one of the most powerful Spiral users is a guy from Japan who wears <s>goggles</s> glasses.
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After being defeated by Simon, the Anti-Spiral leader somehow manages to survive, fleeing to another universe. He creates a race of "angels" and begins taking over worlds systematically. He has been weakened dramatically, though. [[Minovsky Physics|Dust]] is Spiral power, and the Subtle Knife is the knife that will PIERCE THE HEAVENS!!! It was reforged into a vaugely drill-like form, but the text didn't specify that.
== Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is a prequel to the [[
After relations are opened with the Spirals on other planets, the F-Zero races are created and draw contestants from all over the universe. Simon, lacking a purpose in life, decides to join under the false identity of Captain Falcon, trading his goggles/sunglasses for a visor. Watch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CJn69FgEko this clip] and say it isn't true. Not only is a lot of spinning involved, but who else could pull off that punch? Also, Epilogue!Simon and Captain Falcon have ''the same face and voice''.
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* All true, except for the "Stuck" part. Lagann would never get stuck.
== Viral was ''always'' immortal; if Lord Genome did anything, it was to give him a faint connection to Spiral energy. ==
Consider how many catastrophes Viral survives repeatedly- the most extreme being during the battle ending in {{spoiler|Adiane's death}}. He manages to survive the almost complete destruction of his submarine Ganmen ''while deep underwater'', but the porpoise-beastmen were presumably killed. Clearly, Viral is a tough customer, but that borders on the miraculous, especially given that this anime is usually pretty good about avoiding [[Disney Death]]. Viral may have well ''been'' immortal from birth; he himself bragged about his unusual skills and just never noticed. After all, it probably isn't as if he lost very often before meeting Kamina. <br />If Lord Genome did anything to Viral, it wasn't making him immortal, although he may have claimed it was.
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They used to be genetic creatures, but they gave up their individuality in order to survive as a collective. Their giant mecha technology is about what the technology from Evangelion would become after a million years of progression, and their constant emphasis on Absolute Despair is borne out of everyone's constant angst.
* This may explain why there aren't any animals we know of(grape hippos, anyone?) All other organisms were Instrumentalised, so the surviving humans had to create new species.
* The Anti-Spiral King is Shinji Ikari himself. Not only is he insanely depressed, [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil|what]] [[Moral Event Horizon|happened]] [[Does This Remind You of Anything?|to]] [[Nightmare Fuel|Nia]] must be an extension of [[A Date
== ''[[Bioboosted Armour Guyver]]'' is set in the same universe as [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]] ==
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* Considering that the first thing that popped into my head when I heard about giant robots powered by self-confidence and heaping dozes of [[Large Ham]] was "what if [[Invader Zim|Zim]] got his hands on one of those?" you may be on to something.
== Gurren Lagann is the son of [[
And Kamina is the son of Guy Shishioh and Noriko Takaya.
== Guame isn't a beastman. ==
One of the recurring aspects of this show is the emphasis on humanity. The more human a Beastman is, the more powerful; their mooks are barely recognizable as human, the Big Four are human with animal aspects, and Viral (the most important) is almost totally human, except for his arms. The exception is Guame, one of the Big Four, the most powerful our of them (he survived a giga drill breaker!) despite looking like a great big armadillo thing. What's more, he acts as an equal to Lord Genome; at least, he treats him like a soldier would treat his Sergeant, not giving the terrified groveling done by the others of the Big Four.
Guame is a member of a different spiral race who fought alongside Lord Genome when he was fighting the AntiSpirals, probably serving the same function as Kittan in the Gurren Brigade. After they were defeated and forced to retreat, Guame elected to stay with Lord Genome and aid him in his efforts to protect humanity. Boota sets a precedent for not all spiral races being humanoid. It also explains how Guame is able to create an energy shield around Tepperin - he's using his own spiral energy to do so.
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* Or Guame as the little armidillo was, like Boota, a source of spiral energy and evolved ''himself'' into a humanoid in the same way that Boota did.
== The events of the prologue are part of the God-Emperor of Mankind's ridiculously long-term plan - and hence part of [[Warhammer
Alt!Boota's "All the lights in the heavens are our enemies", with a bit of [[Darker and Edgier|GRIMDARKNESS]] re-phrasing, sounds awfully like the standard Imperium of Man xenophobic creed. The raising of Captain Garlock was carried out by Custodes under the orders of the God-Emperor far from Imperium-controlled space. The Gunmen are a type of Titan designed by the God-Emperor separate from the Adeptus Mechanicus. Someday in the future, Captain Garlock and the Dai-Gurren Brigade will return to use the TTGL to [[Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny|put the smackdown on the Chaos Gods and the C'tan]] and then revive the God-Emperor.
* Or ''Simon'' is the God Emperor of Mankind. He's about to kick off the first great crusade that will render Man lord of the galaxy and trample thousands of 'lesser' spiral races. Little does he know that this will realise the Antispirals' greatest fear: the vast upheavals of Spiral Energy during the crusade will drive the gods of 'super-spiral space' to never before seen levels of power, empowering them to corrupt several of his Dai-Gurren-Dan against him. The rest is (future) history.
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* No, Spiral Nemesis IS the eye of terror, size of the entire galaxy
== The Gurren-Lagann universe is the far, far future of the [[
[[Diebuster]]'s ending, to be perfectly frank, makes no sense even within the context of its own universe. "Hard Work And Guts!" was always a watchword of the series, but until the very last episode, "Hard Work And Guts!" never broke the series' own laws of physics. But in the very last episode, Nono and Lark are able to defeat a single enemy, with one degeneracy reactor and Nono's hax energy-absorber between them, that a planet-scale Buster Machine with ''billions'' of degeneracy reactors couldn't. This makes absolutely no sense... unless it's the awakening of Spiral Power in humanity.
Think about it! By this time, much of humanity has emigrated beyond the solar system, and so the "spiral races" are spread out pretty far. And when Nono and Lark perform their double Inazuma Kick, what do they do? They ''spiral together into a drill-like energy projectile that smashes right through the Space Monster''. There is only one conclusion to be drawn from this: Nono and Lark are humanity's very first Spiral Knights, and Gunbuster-verse is the stage being set for the Spiral/Antispiral war.
* The power of the Topless is what powers the Buster Machines, and it also allows for things that bend reality. Topless Power could easily be a precursor to full-fledged use of Spiral Power.
* The machines that attacked Kamina city were remains of Nono's Buster Legion. In the second to last image in [[Diebuster]]'s ending, Nono is shown on a surface of some planet, staring at a far away galaxy. This might mean that she survived the final battle in Diebuster, but warped so far away that she returned to Earth thousands of years later, when Lord Genome found his Lagann. She helped him with his first battles and, like Kamina helped Simon, she helped him to become as awesome as he was. When he betrayed the Spirals, he got rid of her, probably by teleporting her as far away as he could, and reprogrammed her army. This also might explain why Nia looked so much like Nono. He either couldn't forgive himself for betraying her and created his daughters as a way to comfort himself, or he made and then threw them out, because he hoped that one of them will help to create a new Spiral King.
== The Anti-Spiral homeworld seen on the Grand Zamboa wasn't the real thing ==
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== The Anti-Spirals are Tragic Heroes against the Expansionist and Racist Species Humanity ==
Post-timeskip, we see that humanity keeps expanding without limit, much like a virus; the persecution of the beastmen that follows shows their intolerance. That may have been the tip of the iceberg as far as humanity's conquests went, and they possibly left hundreds or thousands of worlds barren or burning and their inhabitants dead or enslaved simply because they believed they could go anywhere and do anything - much like the Imperium of the [[Warhammer 40
* Except we see that there's quite a few beastmen living with all the humans with no problem. There's no evidence that beastmen are somehow persecuted othe that the prison apparently being full of them; we can always rationalise that many of them are violently anti-human, refusing to give up the war they just lost) and are kept separate for the human criminals' safety. That Simon was put there is either a sign that they felt he could take care of himself or a sign that his jailers were angry at him.
* This may be the backstory behind Parallel Works #4.
== The events of Gurren Lagann happen after a [[Super Robot Wars|Super Robot War]] in which humanity loses big time ==
Parrel Works #8 shows the making of Lord Genome and the events of the first war against the Anti-Spirals. Those who are paying attention will notice a lot of simmilar faces, like [[Mobile Suit Gundam|Gundam RX-78,]] [[Mazinger Z|Mazinger,]] Jeeg, and two of the [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Eva units,]] as well as verious flagships, including the [[Star Trek|USS Enterprise.]]<br />It stands to reason that Gurren Lagann is an offshoot of [[Super Robot Wars]] that follows a story in which the world's Heroes are wiped out in the ensuing war; the only mech left to fight the power at the start is, as it were, Lagann.
* Note that the gem Simon finds during the princess burrial in episode 11 looks like a [[
** This means that Lord Genome is a [[Original Generation|Banpresto Original]] gone ''horribly wrong.''
* Just try telling this troper that [[Gaiking]] isn't a Ganmen.
== Viral is [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Both have the same voice, both are good with a sword, and both are (well, sometimes) blonde. Since Viral has an immortal body, that explains why Link is able to appear in so many games and timelines.
== The ending skips a crucial part of the story. ==
Judging by the general tone and theme of the series, there must be a missing scene in which Kamina comes back from the dead (after [[Chess
* It happens in the SRW adaptation. There's a return of heroes after the Gunbuster does the Jupiter nonsense (slightly less time passes than seveal hundred years).
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** This Troper had the exact same epiphany! Canti being the prototype Lagann is made more obvious by the spiral, galaxy, and drill motifs displayed whenever Naota enters him. However, the original Lagann prototype had its drills work in reverse; Naota was the one have a drill inserted in him, not Canti!
== Nia is a [[
Just compare Nono and Nia's eyes! And the last title card at the end credits of [[Diebuster]] has four-petaled flower motifs floating around Nono, flowers that look '''just like''' Nia's eyes! You can't honestly look at that and tell me that Nia ''isn't'' a Buster Machine, can you?!
* Same Japanese voice actor was failed to mention here. Plus, both Nono and Nia have adorable, trademark hair accessories.
== Related to the two above, TTGL is a direct sequel to the [[
([[You Have Been Warned|Warning, this entry is a spoiler]] for [[
== The entire first half of the series is a massive and highly-risky yet ultimately wildly successful [[Xanatos Roulette]] by Lord Genome to forge a new hero who would be able to pick up where he left off and defeat the Anti-Spirals once and for all ==
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* The fact that the Core Drill was buried so close to Lagann also supports the notion that someone was meant to start it up. Not to mention the fact that the Gunmen look like headless people, encouraging someone to make a full humanoid robot (to better channel the Spiral Power) by putting Lagann on top of it.
* Additionally, he seems to have left behind an immortal warrior with more Spiral Energy than he had - that is, the ideal support for Gurren Lagann. Watch the English dub, at least, and listen to how he reacts when he says "I didn't make you immortal to defeat the HUMANS." (not exact quote).
** The emphasis was more on the word DEFEAT in the subtitled version. Still, that has its own double meaning. Viral could have been intended to tell the story of Lord Genome's victory, as he claimed, while at the same time being ready as a backup plan in the event that Simon managed to win.
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{{spoiler|Viral's wife}} exists in the proper ''TTGL'' universe beyond {{spoiler|a figment of a wishful dream}} and in the Parallel Works: {{spoiler|she's}} seen onboard the Cathedral Terra/Chouginga Gurren Lagann {{spoiler|with her husband}} as the ship sets off for its diplomatic mission. [http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo174/tvtropesttglcomparison/viralswifesightings.jpg See and decide for yourself].
* Note that while he did say {{spoiler|Beastmen were infertile, so there's no way he had the kids}}, there's nothing keeping him from {{spoiler|knowing or finding a woman that looks like the one from the dream}}.
** This particular guess is completely, completely just plain wrong. While it is entirely possible that {{spoiler|He could find a woman who looks like her}}, a higher-quality image shows that [https://web.archive.org/web/20210328153118/http://img.imgcake.com/
* Now that is a {{spoiler|very interesting}} use of {{spoiler|spoiler tags}}. Don't {{spoiler|you}} agree?
== The three kids piloting the Ganmen that make up Gurren Lagann in Parallel Works 6 are
* [[Brother-Sister Incest|Gimmy and Darry's son]] in Lagann, Rossiu and Kinon's daughter in Gurren, and Yoko and Kittan's daughter in the flying Ganmen.
* Alternatively, Yoko and Kamina's son in Lagann, and {{spoiler|Viral's daughter}} in the flying Ganmen.
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* The setting is set during the present day, or shortly before Lord Genome's time. Check the backgroud: it doesn't look all that advanced.
== The Spiral Nemesis that the Anti-Spirals feared was the inevitable result of all the [[Epileptic Tree
Says so on the [[Poison Oak Epileptic Trees]] page!
== The Spiral Nemesis is a [[Lensman Arms Race]] taken to an extreme ==
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* another possibility why he could not beat them is that he could not beat them because spiral power runs on your self determination, and the anti-spiral lost heart when he saw just how powerfull the gurren brigade got. notice how every line he says after Lordgenomes CMOA sounds a little more scared and panicked?
== [[Warhammer
They can make things work that shouldn't work through sheer willpower, can make things faster through sheer willpower, etc. In short, they can make the impossible possible.
* This Troper now knows what he has to do: He must make a Gurren Lagann-themed Ork army, complete with a Boss wearing Kamina's sunglasses, cape, and blue wig.
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== The entirity of the series is being told by Simon years after it happened. ==
The narrator has the same voice actor in both Japanese ''and'' English. He's either just reminescing or telling it to someone. This leads to a series of subtheories:
# He is an [[Unreliable Narrator]] a la ''[[
# The series is a reenactment. Agains, it's quite possibly [[Very Loosely Based on a True Story|dramatized/exaggerated.]] For additional evidence, we see a clip of Simon and Kamina recycled from the first episode being played in-series in episode 17 even though humanity didn't have video cameras then, and they couldn't have filmed from that angle (right in front of a charging molepig) if they had.
# It's completely made up: the narrator is telling a story that is fictional in-universe, either something a senile old man tells people or basically the same idea as in our world.
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See [http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j43/StarfireandSakura/tony-the-tiger---frosties.jpg this picture] for details.
== Leeron is a [[Mother 3
He doesn't seem to age much, if at all. His needle is, of course, drill shaped.
** And it needs a manly twist to pull out.
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Apart from the blue hair, and surely blue hairdye isn't unheard of. He has practically the same mode of dress, he carries around a sword bigger than himself, he uses the same style of speech (for the most part), and at times he uses "demon" as a term to describe himself. Long after the events of the [[Disgaea]] games, he settled down in some backwater world instead of staying a king. It would explain a lot of Kamina's feats if he was an Overlord.
* His dying was a [[Thanatos Gambit]] to get sent to the local Celestia (heroic sacrifice means automatic passage, no prinny time), from which he would be able to indirectly aid the Dai-Gurren dan with heavenly intervention behind the scenes. There was an invisible angel on Simon's shoulder telling him what awesome things to say, and its name is Kamina Laharl.
** No it doesn't. Kurtis did one, and he sure the hell spends time as a prinny.
* Laharl has said "Who the hell do you think I am?!" a couple of times.
== Similarly, Yoko is Etna ==
Elaborating on the above theory, the TTGL universe takes place after the Disgaea bad ending where Laharl leaves the throne to Etna to [[Walk the Earth]]. Complications lead her and some survivors to flee to
How did she overcome her...er, [[Pettanko|upper-body deficiencies]]? ''Implants.''
* That, or maybe succubi take awhile to develop- about fifteen hundred years, give or take a decade. Yoko's given age of 16 is how long she's been in the human world- she's [[Really Seven Hundred Years Old|actually 1489]] and finally hitting demon puberty.
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== Kamina is [[Disgaea|Laharl]]'s long-lost-son. ==
[[Parental Abandonment]] among demons is nothing new in the [[Disgaea]] series. It's possible that Demons were one of the "Spiral Races" that Lord Genome fought with. Somewhere along the way, Laharl trusted someone (Etna? Flonne? Mid-Boss? Who knows?) with Kamina, his only son, right before making a heroic sacrifice to try and stall the Anti-Spirals (which happened during the enigmatic first scene).<br />Anyway, though a series of contrived coincidences, that someone ended up underground in the village and raised him as her own. The fact that Demons don't age nearly as fast as humans can be hand-waved by Brainwashing on the part of his appointed guardian. Then again, it's demonstrated by Rozalin and {{spoiler|Adell}} that demon aging is all over the place. And if you want to take this theory further, you could say that he reincarnated into Nia, who was sent back in time as part of Lord Genome's [[Xanatos Roulette]]. But that's a theory for another time.
* Alternatively, Nia is a reincarnation of ''Flonne'', presumably dying alongside Laharl in the above-mentioned scenario or during one of the [[Multiple Endings|"bad"]] endings of Disgaea.
* Laharl probably trusted Midboss with Kamina, seeing that Kamina has fond memories of his so-called "Father". {{spoiler|Kamina's father died unspectacularly a while ago}}, and Midboss is... well... Midboss.
** Or '''Captain Gordon, Defender of Earth!''', who saw it as his duty to tutor Kamina in the [[Large Ham|Ways of Ham]].
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Makes sense. How would you feel if you saw some guy suddenly start making out and copping a feel with your girlfriend? He purposely made his missiles fail just for revenge, but kind of underestimated that he would make up for the badassness 10X afterwards. Also notice how the TV turns off right before {{spoiler|Kittan and Yoko kiss during the alternate universe segment}}, and they're both transported to the area where Kamina and Yoko had their kiss. Obviously he was trying to say something.
* Actually, the one who turned off the TV {{spoiler|was Yoko herself.}}
** Which this troper took as an indication that she was still in love with Kamina.
== Spiral Power is related to the spirals in Junji Ito's [[Uzumaki]]. ==
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* [[This Troper]] was also instantly reminded of TTGL when he heard about Uzumaki. If the Spiral Nemesis is really Uzumaki except the whole universe... [[Oh Crap]]...
* I had a similar theory, but with [[Naruto|a different Uzumaki altogether]].
* Alternatively, Uzumaki is a cautionary tale for anti-spirals.
== The entire universe of TTGL is a giant mech. ==
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== Despite all of the exponential technological growth in the Gurren Lagann-verse, the wheel was never invented. ==
* Notice how all of the cars and extraneous land based vehicles have legs.
** But without wheels, how do you get drills?
*** The third troper is right. Without wheels, you can't construct basic things; and they are the basis for parts which make machines run (such as cogs). What's a more likely possibility is that the wheel was used before the first war, but the technology was down-graded and forgotten as a use of transport in the 1,000 years where humans were trapped underground (not really needing to use transportation in such a small area) and the Beastmen relied upon their Ganmen for probably everything involving travel and carting. It's not too far of a stretch to believe that they would translate keeping the wheel for things like constructing other parts and Ganmen technology for transport; as that's what everything had come to be after so many generations.
*** Or they had the wheel, but didn't know how to use it properly. This troper read somewhere about an Indian tribe that knew ''of'' the wheel, but only used it on toys, never for, say, agricultural purposes. So maybe in this universe, they knew of the wheel enough to make drills and machine parts, but it never occured to them to use them for transportation.
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== The Anti-Spirals are running a large part of the video game industry ==
* Continuing from the above, the Anti-Spirals were responsible for the death of the Dreamcast. But during Sega's decline in [[The Nineties|the mid-to-late 1990s]], and especially after they were out of the market, gaming took on a decidedly [[Darker and Edgier]] slant. First with [[Grand Theft Auto]]-style sandbox games set in [[Crime
** [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] is Simon? '''''BADASS!!!''''' [[Tropers/Zelenal|I]] subscribe to this theory!
** Before taking over gaming, the Anti-Spirals took over the American comic book industry. The result was much the same: see [[Dark Age]].
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== Gurren Lagann's core story arc is based on a 1979 Gundam Novel ==
In 1979 Yoshiyuki Tomino published a trilogy of novels based adapting the [[Mobile Suit Gundam]] series. Written ''before'' the franchise achieved its meteoric success, the novels were highly divergent from either the broadcast or theatrical version, and feature a unique "closed ending" in that the main character is accidentally killed partway into the 3rd
The Mecha genre has been conspicuously without a fresh angle for some time. To find a new, unexplored angle, Gainax literally went back to the source, taking the most notable aspect (hero buys it too soon) of the still well-regarded novel trilogy and spinning a series around that premise-- "What if the hero starts the revolution, but his friends have to finish it?" by pushing the death even earlier.
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== The Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is a resurrected Kamina. ==
If Episode 26 is any indication of this, it's that Kamina rescues the key pilots of the galaxy-sized mech. While it doesn't show him explicitly freeing anyone other than Simon and Yoko, one could guess that he had a hand in getting the other people. That said, the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is only formed when Gurren Lagann merges with the Spiral Power of each of the individual pilots, who wouldn't have broken out had it not been for the spirit of Kamina. The members of the remaining Team Gurren say that they're fighting for a higher cause, and Yoko herself states that 'There was once a man who was ten times greater than us. For his sake alone, we'll keep fighting.'
Kamina's spirit was the catalyst for releasing everyone from the multi-dimensional labyrinth, his memories are carried on within the members of Team Gurren, and the Super Spiral space is a special dimension 'where thought is given form.' If Kamina's lingering spirit had any sentience left (hinted that it does in 26) then he would probably want to fight alongside his comrades for the final battle. Since he has nothing to manifest a body with (Lordgenome was still a head, so he could pull this off) he decided to convert his mass into pure Spiral energy in the form of the Tengen Toppa. That, and it's only suiting that such a [[Large Ham]] would require an equally large mech.
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== Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the future of [[Exalted]] ==
It is centuries after the Age of Sorrows, and the Exalted problem is fixed. Everyone can be Solar Exalted, if they do/think/are AWESOME enough. The beastmen are the last remains of the Lunar Exalted, the Anti-Spiral is the last Primordial, and the gunmen are derived from warstrider technology.
* Expanding on this theory, Kamina is a Zenith Caste Solar. After Simon has his epic [[He's Back]] moment, he himself Exalts and {{spoiler|inherits Kamina's Exaltation spark.}} Leeron becomes a Twilight Caste Solar, if he wasn't one already. Also, the beastmen aren't the remnants of the Lunars, they're, well, Beastmen. Viral {{spoiler|didn't become immortal, he became a Lunar Exalt, as did Boota later.}} Perhaps Lordgenome was a Terrestrial or Abyssal, and Rossiu was starting on the path to becoming a Sidereal. Or at least a particularly jackass-y Eclipse.
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* Which is the eventual plan used by the universe to reduce the amount of spiral energy in the universe thus allowing spiral beings to live their lives without ending the universe!
== Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann is Gainax's response to [
Now, everything in the series makes sense. Spiral Power in special.
== The entire series of Gurren-Lagann is one long love letter to the giant robot concept in general. ==
This one should, really, be obvious... but I figure it has to be written down.<br />The first fourth of the series ''(episodes 1-8)'' is almost literally a direct [[Expy]] of the 1960s super robot shows. Things like Mazinger Z and Getter Robo were incredibly formulaic and often disreguarded what few rules they invented if the show needed it. We can see this leaking through into the show via lovely examples like Kamina trying to combine their mecha in episode 3 ''(it works because... it just does)'', other mecha combinations not working in episode 4 ''(because... they just don't)'' and having many nonsensical plots in general ''(hello episode 6!)''. As if this wasn't enough, characterization tended to run rampant ''(Kamina's [[Flanderization]] into a [[Jerkass]] throughout episodes 4-6)'' and many episodes would run completely off-model ''(the QUALITY of episode 4, easily)''. As this story arc reached the end, we finally saw our '1960s-era main' of Kamina being phased out of the spotlight as Simon finally took the controls in episode 7 for the first time - and this arc ended with the death of Kamina in episode 8... the proverbial loss of innocence of the time.
The second fourth of the series ''(episodes 8-15)'' doesn't change much from the previous arc, but very much is more in line with the 1970s of giant robots. Plots are less episodic and feel more 'tied together' with a vague story arc, much like the later shows of the 1970s like Voltes, Combattler and Daimos. We also begin to get the hints of technobabble as things like 'Spiral Power' are mentioned in a hand-wave to how the mecha are powered - and our villains even begin to develop as characters. The latter is something that was almost completely ignored until shows like Voltes and Gundam premiered in the last three years of the 1970s. The ending of this story arc, of course, ends with the final battle with our villain... who, as it turns out, isn't completely evil either. The fact that Lord Genome comes off as a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] in his final fight is just proof that the show itself has evolved toward the deeper 1970s shows from the shallower 1960s anime.
Our third segment of the series ''(episodes 17-23ish)'' shows vast changes, however, as we hit the 1980s. As [[Gundam]] vastly changed the concept of giant robots with having ''armies'' of not-so-special robots, we see the Graparal show up for duty - an MP version of the Gurren-Lagann in general. And rather than having over-the-top weaponry, these MP units simply have pistols and guns that are simple to replicate and re-arm. Also tying in with the simple fact that mecha shows slowly moved to develop the characters more in the 1980s ''(thanks to the premier of the OVAs, allowing for shows to focus less on being [[Merchandise-Driven]])'', the entire cast begin to grow as characters... getting actual development sometimes for the first time in the series. Compared to the first half of the series, this section of the show is almost a drastic shock - which is what the 1980s themselves were to the robot anime genre in general.
The final segment of the series ''(22ish through the end)'' is, of course, a love letter through to the modern day of giant robots. Things begin to get psychotic in scale and action ''([[
(Alternative, based on a theory seen elsewhere: the first fourth is Getter Robo/Mazinger etc. (i.e. the 1960s-70s) with the single combining [[Super Robot]], the second is Gundam-esque/1980s with the mecha team/army on a [[Cool Ship]], the third is Evangelion-esque/1990s with everything getting dark and angsty and things like civilian casualties/hatred of the heroes being prominent, and the finale is a distillation of all the best bits of 30+ years of mecha anime into one giant [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]].)
* I agree Gurren Lagann is a love letter to the genre, but actually, you get the evolution of the genre quite wrong, since all elements you think were added in the eighties or nineties were present at the beginning. ''[[
* Huh... But wasn't it sorta declared canon by Gainax themselves?
** I think it was.
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* It fits perfctly with a litte detail we can find in episode 17 - a song from [[Show Within a Show]] based on Simon's and Kamina's adventures. It sound suspiciusly familiar to Mazinger Z -style opening.
== Simon is a [[
It's been shown in comic continuity that when new Green Lanterns are recruited, they're actually placed into their Ring with no memories of what they are. They either are lost to the world created by their will, or they become better for it. Simon left not to travel the universe, but because he realized what he was and that he had passed his final exam. This explains how easy it is to manipulate... well everything in the TTGL universe.
* There is one comic where Green Lantern summons what appears to be Gurren's torso...
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She is apparently the "first princess". This means that she is the first daughter he had. He adopted her and conditioned her to be a nice person. When she asked where she came from, he panicked and locked her away. This is why afterward he tried to have her killed, he was trying to make sure she was either linked to the humans or dead. It was the fact that she was Simon's fiance that kept her connected to the spirals. This was all too perfect to be true. Since spiral energy affects probability (to put it lightly), he was using his spiral power to turn her benevolent. He was finally proud of her at the end; he was proud that she chose humanity.
* I don't buy it. If that's true, then everything that Guame had said is a lie. Lordgenome has children because he knows about the Anti-Spiral's plans to encode a messenger in Spiral DNA. He then kills them before they grow old enough to actually be a powerful enemy to him. That's why there are so many coffins in the valley where Simon found Nia.
** Furthermore, if Nia had been the first daughter he ever had, and he'd been ruling for 1,000 years, she'd be incredibly old (probably at least 900). That wouldn't make sense with her aging along with Simon.
* Better theory: He planted Nia on purpose to give the metaporical finger to Simon.
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== Spiral Power is a manifestation of [[The Force]], or vice-versa. ==
Think about it. There are perhaps only a handful of people relative to the general population who are "adepts" at either. They are both seen to enable these adepts to do things which would make physics kill itself. Force sensitives, such as Jedi and Sith are just on the threshold of the immense Spiral Power Simon posesses. Therefore, Simon will go on to found the Jedi Order.
* Which explains why {{spoiler|Simon turns into a nomadic hobo at the epilogue}}, ala Obi-Wan Kenobi in the old Star Wars trilogy.
* And why Spiral Energy only works on humans, since humans do contain midichlorians.
* Well, Spiral Power runs on hotbloodedness and gives the user [[Charles Atlas Superpower
** The people of TTGL might have utilized the Force in a way different from the Jedi. The Force could be the same thing, it's the usage of the Force that makes it different. Take the Sith (who uses the Force for personal gain and absolute despair, yet they still use the Force, and by the Force that one that is very indifferent from the Jedi) for example. Or Spiral Energy could be the side of the force between the dark and light sides, since spiral energy is activated through passion and emotion, like the Sith, but is used for good intentions, like the Jedi.
*** It seems to be more dependent on passion and emotion than the intentions it is used for - sure, in this show the enemies are aiming for stagnation so drive is a good thing, but Spiral Energy could be a potentially devastating force if it was used irresponsibly (picture two spiral races at war with each other - no wonder the Anti-Spirals were so afraid!). Really, Spiral Energy seems a lot more like the Dark Side of the Force than the Light Side, at least as far as the Jedi and Sith see it.
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== The Earth of TTGL is the Earth of [[Avatar: The Last Airbender]] in a really distant future. ==
Well, after the Aang died (as all living creatures do someday), the balance had to be restored in a way that still wasn't in Earth. The descendants of the Metalbending apprentices (or even Toph's) made the ancient Gunmen and the subterranean villages, in case a cataclysm would happen. Waterbenders and firebenders that didn't comply with such didn't have much to do, and the ones that didn't die became Spiralbenders (of sorts). After science took over magic (i.e. the benders of the other elements disappeared, and they tried to explain even Spiral Power through science), new Ganmen were created, and a clone of the past Avatar (the one after Aang), Lordgenome, was created, because they thought he'd be a good leader. Some two or three thousand years after, when the man almost extinguished the humans that weren't in the subterraneous villages, a kid manifested Avatar-like powers. His name was Simon. And if this still doesn't convince you, the [[Mix
* Make it past, and it'd be really funny. Simon, the first Avatar!
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== TTGL is the future of Neon Genesis Evangelion ==
Here we go: the Evas and Angels both run on Spiral power. The S2 engine? Super-Spiral engine. Also explains Shinji's wildly fluctuating sync ratio, he's in the depths of despair the entire series. The Evas themselves are prototype ganmen. Humanity learned of Spiral power after Second Impact, and built the Evas to utilize it. Unfortunately the Eva universe is plagued with a lack of incredible badasses, and as such there was no one capable enough to pilot the Evas. So, they ran them off electrical power like the Ganmen do while beastmen pilot them.
The Angels are perhaps Anti-Spiral creations, with Adam being some kind of Anti-Spiral construct, possibly a messenger (maybe that's more suited to Kaworu though). AT-Fields are just concentrated Spiral power. Lord Genome later perfects the Eva technology, removing the squishy bits in favor of mechanical components.
* It's part of mine and my friends' personal canon that the Anti-Spirals were, in reality, Evangelion's Earth after Instrumentality, due to the hivemind and mindscrewery that both populaces had.
* It is better to say Spiral Energy is a form of AT-Field, the Lilin AT Field to be exact, since how can Anti-Spirals warp reality without the use of Spiral Power? Answer: AT Fields.
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== Everything in the [[Gurren Lagann]] universe only works because [[Rule of Perception|the characters are too stupid to realize that it shouldn't work]]. ==
When Kamina, Simon, Yoko, Nia, and Kittan try things with a ridiculously high chance of failure, it always works, because they refuse to aknowledge that it might not work ("If it's more than 0%, it might as well be 100%!"). However, when Rossiu, who does realize how risky a plan is, tries to pull off something, [[Unwitting Pawn|he walks right into into a trap]] laid by the Anti-Spirals. Either the [[Idiot Ball]] has [[Reality Warper|reality-warping]] capabilities, or Gainax wanted to be [[Anvilicious]] about the power of optimism.
* Its basic mechanics of spiral energy. If you think its impossible, your negativism will prevent you from generating sufficient spiral energy to force reality to bend to your will. Believe you can hard enough,<ref>while making constipated faces</ref>
** That's not ''exactly'' true. It's more that you ''know'' how impossible it is, but you power through anyway. Anybody in the series who just attacks with utmost confident without understanding their enemies get crushed. It's the reason Simon is a better Spiral Warrior than Kamina, and why Lord Genome is a [[Genius Bruiser]]; they both keep a cool head, but knows when to be [[Hot
** As far as we know.
** So basically, does that mean Spiral Power is actually [
*** The Law of Attraction is restricted by physics. Spiral energy takes the laws of physics, ties them up, whips them, and makes call it "daddy".
*** Also, Spiral Energy tends to manifest as ginormous [[Humongous Mecha]], flames, drills, and awesomely [[Cool Shades]], none of which have yet to be seen on Oprah's person.
**** Yet.
== The prologue to episode 1 is a bad ending where Team Dai-Gurren decides to join the Anti-Spirals. ==
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If it wasn't already self-evident, [[This Troper]] has confirmed it.
== The Spiral Nemesis is the creation of a new [[Warhammer 40
Of course! It's so obvious! Love, hope, will, fighting spirit, all of the things that make humanity powerful and important are all fundamentally linked to the Ruinous Powers! The Anti-spirals are Eldar; using space-distortion, mind trickery, and techno-sorcery in an attempt to oppress intelligent life to prevent their mistakes! [[How Did We Miss This One?]]? Oh, and spiral power is warpcraft.
* I imagined a crossover like that once, and it was awesome. And would explain Ork's belief powers... Except that, unlike Spiral beings, they don't reproduce sexually, as they don't have genders.
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Aha!<br />Basically, Kamina tries to hide his feelings of inferiority with fake confidence and badass. His speeches are long, winding, and fairly [[Narm Charm|cheesy]]- that's because he doesn't even believe in what he's saying. All of the spiral energy when they're in the Gurren Lagann together is coming from Simon and {{spoiler|Boota}}.<br />
Kamina feels weak, compared to Simon, and wishes he could have accompanied his father on the surface so that he'd be tougher today... One of his most quoted sayings, "Don't believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you."... that's not for Simon's sake that he's saying that. Kamina needs someone to believe in him, and who better than the person he admires most?
What Kamina didn't realize is that he had stinted Simon's confidence, at least not until it was almost too late. That's why Kamina uttered the words, "Don't believe in me, who believes in you, believe in you who believes in yourself." What he's really saying: "I screwed up."<br />And that's why Kamina {{spoiler|had to die.}} To make way for the real [[Badass]], the man who's back would never break.<br />Simon. "You have grown to be a taller man than I." indeed.
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*** He hides his fear, he conquers it, is there any real difference? Whatever the case is, he doesn't let that part of him that fears death have any say in his actions. And that's what counts.
* [[Word of God]] has actually confirmed this, more or less - of all the main characters, Kamina a.k.a. what we consider to be "the most badass badass ever" is said to have the ''least'' ability to use Spiral Energy. He probably knows it, though - he realizes that his job is to make ''other'' people confident. In a sense, Kamina takes the brunt of the hopelessness and despair in order to protect his teammates from it.
** And by "word of god" you must be reffering to the secretive book that the author of the "Satire" claims to own, am I right? If he's the only person who has ever seen it, and he refuses to show it to 'anybody' then ther's 'no' reason to believe it. The reasons he gives for getting that book are equally as ridiculous. Self proclaimed third party speaker right there. Yes, I am calling him out on his bullshit.
== Gurren Lagann takes place inside a computer. ==
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== Spiral Nemesis ''wasn't'' about a Big Crunch directly. ==
People have proven to be very bad when it comes to managing anything powerful. If humanity learned how to fully harness Spiral Energy without any immediate goal, they'd very soon become corrupted by it. Considering how an aggressive, defiant attitude is the best mood for channeling spiral power alongside natural wariness about alien life after ASK, war would almost inevitably break out once humanity took to the stars.
To stand up to human aggression, other spiral races would start abusing spiral power to the same level, leading to a very dangerous arms race constantly churning out spiral power and trillions of tons of matter. None of the sides would bother checking themselves, thinking that Spiral Power would allow them to fix any damage. This mindless warfare, would lead directly to the races destroying each other, but eventually, the universe itself. This is the scenario shown in the opening.
== The Spiral Nemesis will be triggered when someone does something too awesome for the universe to handle. ==
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** You know, I'm pretty sure the "makes galaxies look like moths" mecha was awesome enough to end the universe. In the movie, it and the Grand Zamboza were triggering the collapse of the Anti-Spiral universe.
* [[Awesomeness Is Volatile|Does letting Mr.T and Chuck Norris fight each other in Gurren Lagann-like Mecha count?]]
** Or does letting the [[
*** How about the TTGL turn into a pocket universe shaped like a merger of Kamina and [[Memetic Mutation|the goddamn Batman]], with the voice of Mr T, holding a big f***ing sword composed of a thousand burning quasars, and whose ''skin cells'' are supernova continously going off. All while shouting "THIS!IS!SPIRAL NEMESIS!"
*** Nah, I'm thinking something else. I'm afraid it'll cause Spiral Nemesis just by describing it, but here goes. What about a massive flaming hole being torn through the universe straight through to the afterlife, through which Kamina, wearing a flaming crown and a flaming version of his cape and shades, sprouting [[Go Nagai Sideburns]], and [[Dual-Wielding]] [[Flaming Sword|Flaming]] [[Chainsaw Good|Chain]][[Warhammer 40
**** Throw [
***** Describing it in the actual universe will destroy it. Preforming it will [[Apocalypse How|trigger a Class Z]], probably even beyond. Perhaps that's the reason {{spoiler|the TARDIS exploded}}-this event occured, and space-time commited suicide because it could not handle the awesomeness. If creation has a God, He commited suicide as well. The Season 5 finale of Doctor Who is an attempt to prevent this suicide. Whoever's truly behind it wants ''all existence'' to have a [[Dying Moment of Awesome]].
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== The Anti-Spiral King is Shinji Ikari and the other Anti-Spirals are the instrumentalized humans. ==
A few possibilities. Maybe while Shinji was getting mind raped by instrumentality in a metaphysical sense, he was acting out the role of the Anti-Spiral King in a real, physical sense and his defeat at the hands of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is what really snapped him out of his wangst and led to him washing up on that beach. Alternatively, Shinji did choose instrumentality and [[Eo E]] is non canon. From here you can see the progression of events that lead to him becoming an Anti-Spiral. It's also possible that Gurren Lagann is one of the universes he created during his tenure as God. No matter which of these explanations is correct (if any) it does seem like an interestingly symbolic battle. A race of humans from a Humongous Mecha reconstruction against the very people who deconstructed it in the first place.
* This would give [[Moral Event Horizon|the]] [[Does This Remind You of Anything?|analysing]] [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil|of]] [[The Woobie|Nia]] a [[Dude She Like In A Coma|very]] [[A Date
== TTGL is the far future of the [[DC Universe]] -- specifically, [[
A device capable of creating and maintaining physical constructs using nothing but pure willpower? Hmm. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? And take into account that when "pure" spiral energy is shown, it's often green. Presumably, the Spiral warriors of Lord Genome's day were the descendants of the Green Lantern Corps, and the Ganmen (or more likely the Spiral reactors powering them) are upgraded GL rings. <br />Alternatively, instead of being simply willpower-based, spiral energy is UNIFIED emotional energy, since the series demonstrates that it can be generated by (at least) rage, hope, and love as well.
* Or it's not just using willpower, but also White Lantern Energy. Spiral Power needs evolution, too.
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So why did the Anti-Spirals deliberately lie about the nature of the Spiral Nemesis? Having observed Simon and the other Spiral Warriors the Anti-Spirals probably determined that if they described the Spiral Nemesis as some primal God of Darkness and Death then Simon and the others would only see him as [[Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?|another enemy to drive their drills through]] and thus making it more likely that the Spiral Nemesis / [[Blackest Night]] [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|will come to pass.]]
In the end it was probably a good thing that Simon didn't try to resurrect Nia with spiral power, because I doubt even he would be prepared for the unmitigated horror (and undeniable awesomeness) of Black Lantern
Kamina!
* Alternatively,the Anti-Spirals ''are'' Black Lanterns. Both they and the Black Lanterns believe life is a threat to the universe, however the Anti-Spirals are an alternate version of them-one that is more [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|well-intentioned]] and is able to retain some emotion in unlife. Or the Black Lanterns are an experiment by the Anti-Spirals [[Gone Horribly Right]].
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== Alternatively, TTGL occurs in the VERY distant past of the DC universe and is the source of the Green Lanterns ==
After millennia of ever-expanding awesomeness, the universe finally experiences the Spiral Nemesis.
This isn't a bad thing. The Spiral nemesis is just one of the several interpretations of the spiral symbology: a force that touches all points and brings them together at a single endpoint. It's why combining mecha work so well in TTGL. Essentially, the entire TTGL universe COMBINES WITH ITSELF, and the Spiral Energy of all things unites in a single source. This becomes a powerful Spiral Engine that creates an entirely new universe for it to take place in. The Spiral Engine decides that, with its newfound power over destiny and GAR, it will draw together an army of new Spiral Knights to wield its power. As a holdover from the memories of its greatest hero, the TTGL universe creates as its outlet for its power a ring similar to Nia's. Obviously, this means that technically the Anti-Spirals were the first Black Lanterns.
== The Spiral Nemesis is actually Doomsday, 2012. ==
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== Shinji is Lord Genome. ==
He was a loner living on a future Earth after a large enough population came back from the LCL ocean. They discovered Spiral power, and begin the age of the Spiral warriors.....well, you know the rest. This idea also means that Lord Genome's badass heroric sacrifice, as Shinji's badass heroric sacrifice, means that in th end, Shinji finally did snap out of his moodyness after all!
* This also means he becomes so terrible father as his own.
** No, it means that he's ''better''.
* Don't forget that the Lazengann looks suspiciously like the EVA-01...
* That explains the orange hues at the beginning of Parallel Works 8 - it was the LCL ocean. After the bombing run, the ocean got vaporized.
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== Kamina's awesomness is genetic. ==
He was the last descedant from long line of great heroes and his ancestors are [[Megas XLR|Coop]], [[
* So, [[Marathon
== Bruce Ironstaunch is the reincarnation of Kamina. ==
He got so pissed at Rossiu for arresting Simon because nobody messes with Kamina's bro. Also, look at the mustache and don't tell me it doesn't remind you of the [[Cool Shades]]. How did he manage to look so old in just seven years. A huge concentration of Spiral power. Because who had more fighting spirit than Kamina?
== The entire war between the Spiral races and the Anti-Spiral, from its inception, is the result of [[Umineko no Naku Koro
Lambdadelta granted the Anti-Spiral races with the Power of Certainty, so that they would "certainly" stop the Spiral Nemesis and defeat all the Spiral races. The Spiral races were given the Magic of Miracles by Bernkastel. It took them one thousand years to defeat the Anti-Spirals, but a Miracle certainly occurred when Simon went after Nia. Up until that point, the Anti-Spirals had been winning the war and subjugated all Spiral life, but when the moment came that the chance of Spiral victory was no longer zero (Nia says that her chances of coming back are infintely close to zero, and Simon points this out) they're able to go and defeat them.
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** I think all three of them can live happy ever after together.
== If not stopped, Anti-Spirals would become [[Crisis
Combine teories about TTGL happening in DCU past and Anti-Spirals beign Spiral Nemesis - Anti-Matter Universe was a world where Anti-Spirals won. As time passed they realizad that Spiral Energy is connected to positive matter and destroyed everything, relpacing it with anti-matter. During millenias they become even more united and evil. Then they realize there are other universes and choose to destroy them. And so Anti-Monitor was born.
== The Anti-Spirals are the [[Babylon
They both come from another universe and believe that all other races are inferior and must be exterminated.
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[http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Vapush/Yoko3.gif Further proof.]
* [[The Movie]] would seem to suggest this isn't the case though (see: Adiane vs Yoko fight).
* Perhaps it was just cold that night?<ref>
== [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]] takes place in Spiral's head. ==
So does [[
== Kamina used to be just like Simon ==
Kamina grew out of his fears, and since he identified so strongely with Simon, he wanted Simon to grow out of his fears as well.
== [[Megas XLR]] ''and'' [[Full Metal Panic!]] are the same universe as TTGL, altered by [[Time Travel]] ==
During the First Spiral War, the Spiral races attempted to undo Lordgenome's treachery by sending stuff back in time to bolster their forces. They sent a souped-up Ganmen back - Megas - but something went wrong and it ended up in early 1900's Jersey. They sent Kiva after it, but because Coop altered Megas so much she couldn't use it properly and she never reported back. In desperation, they sent a huge wave of Spiral Power-related data back into people's heads, creating the Whispered - and extending the [[Cold War]] into the 21st century.
** Okay, I wish I was a better writer, because the thought of Sousuke/Coop interaction is killing me. "That dropout is as good a pilot as I am?" "That dork thinks [[Humongous Mecha]] battles are won with ''tactics''?"
*** Kaname and Kiva are almost as good - "At least yours doesn't rappel through the window if you scream at a cockroach." "At least yours is hot enough to date."
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== Portal takes place in the TTGL universe ==
* And Aperture Science was developing Spiral power (look at their logo, it's kind of a spiral itself). Chell is a budding Spiral Warrior, and the Portal Device is a perceptual teleportation unit. [[
** So Cave Johnson is Kamina and Spiral Power comes from Combustable Lemons? Neato torpedo.
** This theory would explain why [[The Cake Is a Lie]]; to goo thrhough such hardships only to be disapointed would indeed be crushing.
== Most matter in the universe was created by spiral energy ==
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== TTGL takes place in Real Life.. ==
Where an accident from the Large Hadron Collider created an interdimensional warp and released what would be Spiral Energy, forcing humanity to move underground.
* That explains the [[
== The TTGL universe is connected to [[Real Life]]. ==
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The Spiral Menace is the cosmological flaw that Tokimi placed in all of the third dimensional worlds. The Anti-spirals discovered this but rather than trying to fight Tokimi, they took the lame way out. The Choushin shunted this to the side with all the other failures and ignored it. When the Spirals finally get around to confronting the menace white glowy Tenchi shows up and says, "Yeah, thanks for playing. I already took care of it. Wanna hang out?"
== Nia is TTGL 's equivalent of [[Super Mario Bros.|Princess Peach]] ==
Starts off as a [[Moe Moe]] -esque [[
* So, Bowser = Lordgenome?
** The Anti-Spirals (specifically the Grand Zamboa) might be the closest equivalent of Bowser. It is even more obvious with [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvsvvTPYn20&feature=related Parallel Works #1].
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== The aftermath of TTGL will not directly lead to Spiral Nemesis, but it will turn out to be what [[Friedrich Nietzsche]] just said ==
After Simon killed the Anti-Spiral the Spiral Races were left with the oncoming fact that is Spiral Nemesis. As a result, because the Spiral (fighting spirit itself ) will actually lead to the destruction of the universe, it led to mass depression and nihilism, just like what happened to the Anti-Spirals before their descent into madness. Amidst this angst, a Kamina-esque [[Large Ham]] will rise to power: the Ubermensch. The Ubermensch will snap the people out of their wangst and remind them of the time where they went [[Beyond the Impossible]] and fought the POWAH.
* Alternatively, TTGL is actually what Nietzsche said. Spiral Energy is another name for Will to Power. Existential themes run during the series (WHO THE '''HELL DO YOU THINK I AM'''?!) and of course, the [[Ubermensch]] is no other than Kamina, who is a [[Messianic Archetype|Messianic]] [[Large Ham]] who lives by his own moral code and believes in individual willpower (again, the previous quote) over faith (such as bursting into anger after seeing people worshipping a Ganmen). On the other hand, the Anti-Spirals are [[Nietzsche Wannabe
** If TTGL is Nietzschean philosophy and Kamina is the Ubermensch, then....
== TTGL was secretly created by Nietzsche as a response to Evangelion, which was then secretly co-created by Schopenhauer and Freud ==
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== All of Lordgenome's daughters were tainted as Anti-Spiral Messengers as he tried to preserve/cure them and was forced to euthanize them when it became apparent there was nothing he could do about it ==
While he's portrayed as a Blood Knight/Well-Intentioned Extremist, the whole 'ditching his supposed daughters when he gets bored of them for no reason other than to be extremely evil' seems very out of character for someone who, while occasionally questionable, is more or less a good guy. Assuming that each one of his 'daughters' were something akin to Anti-Spiral assigned messengers just like Nia, it makes perfect sense for him to experiment with them and try to 'turn them against their Anti-Spiral nature'. He got rid of Nia because she began to question her own existence which, based on his own experience with the previous daughters, may have meant that it was already to late for her. Then, well...Simon happened. The Anti-Spirals wouldn't have lost against Humans, without Nia's conflicting allegiance, so perhaps this is what Lordgenome has been aiming for all along with all his previous young ones?
== The Spiral Nemesis is a metaphor for overpopulation, and the Anti-Spirals are basically extreme Malthusians ==
Spiral Energy is the power of evolution, and evolution is achieved through procreation, and the Anti-Spirals feared this will lead to the destruction of the universe through mass reproduction. We have the same situation: we evolve through reproduction, but our over-reproduction will lead to resources being exhausted and Earth being turned into a [[Crapsack World]] where people are beginning to fight each other for oil/living space/what-have-you. It isn't evolution that the Anti-Spirals feared, but ''procreation'', which is required to evolve naturally, and since procreation will lead to the Universe being turned into a Crapsack Universe where resources are scarce and people always have to fight each other for more space, the Anti-Spirals used transhumanism (artificial evolution) to sterilize themselves and force themselves into an [[Assimilation Plot]]. Of course, the standard Spiralist response to Malthusianism is "instead of [[
* On the other hand, the Anti-Spirals were [[Sliding Scale of Idealism vs. Cynicism|cynically]] extreme introverts (In other words, they are [[Nietzsche Wannabe]]-scale Hikikomoris). They don't fear Spiral Nemesis, they were disgusted with ''too many people smiling with joy and hope''.
** Sounds more like Agent Smith from [[The Matrix]].
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== [[TV Tropes|TV Troppa]] [[Incredibly Lame Pun|Gurren Lagann!!!]] ==
Think about it. [[Epileptic Trees]] run on Spiral Power. TV Tropes itself is a cyberspace version of Lagann, and tropes drill throughout fiction. As these tropes drill through fiction, it assimilates everything unto itself, informalizes them, and through the inspiring informality that is so unlike [[The Other Wiki]], creates more Epileptic Trees in the process. In short, TV Tropes promotes Fanon-I mean turns normal fiction into Epileptic Tree generators. Eventually [[Tropes Will Ruin Your Life|these Epileptic Trees will reach critical mass]], [[Breaking the Fourth Wall|pierce the heavens, get in]] [[Real Life]], and cause [[The End of the World
* No, because tropers around the world, having [[Heroic Sacrifice|heroically sacrificed]] [[Tropes Will Ruin Your Life|their spare time and social life]] in the never-ending search of the ultimate Trope, are fully equipped to deal with [[Trope Overdosed|tropes running wild]]. We shall show up [[Big Damn Heroes|at the last second]], shout "[[Catch Phrase|WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE!?]]" as one, and fire off a [[This Is a Drill|drill-shaped galaxy-wide]] [[Kamehame Hadoken]] made of [[The Power of Friendship|friendship]] and [[All Your Powers Combined|our combined knowledge of tropery]], [[Sealed Evil in
* Also, Fast Eddie and the Admin are getting aware of the Spiral Nemesis that [[This Very Wiki]] will induce. Hence why they are getting more rules-observant.
== Kamina and Simon ''are'' actual brothers ==
* [http://gurennlagann.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kaminaandsimon26.jpg Look at them]{{Dead link}}. Nearly the same hair, facial expression, [[Walking Shirtless Scene]]... Whether Kamina knows this or not makes no difference.
** The resemblance isn't more than two unrelated people who took clothing and stance habits from each other. However, Adult Simon and Old Simon ''do'' look suspiciously like Kamina's father... Which is not to say that Simon is Kamina's father's only son, just that there is other evidence that they are (at least half-)siblings.
** At the very least, could they be very distant cousins?
== The TTGL universe was created by [[Haruhi Suzumiya]] after destroying her own universe. ==
[[Rule of Cool]] physics? Check. [[Large Ham]]? Check. [[Humongous Mecha]]? Check. [[Everything's Better
== The stone on Nia's ring is a [[
That's why they were able to track her: She was carrying a solid chunk of Spiral energy.
== Lagann is Alive. ==
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* Kamina's "father" was really Lagann's previous host, during the time of the Anti-Spiral war.
== [[Gurren Lagann]] is an [[Alternate Universe]] to [[Mega Man (
The roles are as follows..
* Simon->Mega Man
* Kamina->Proto Man
* Yoko->Roll (Or [[Mega Man X
* Viral->Bass
* Nia->...Kalinka?
* The Anti Spiral-> [[
** Hrm, some seem a bit...iffy. Lemmee give it a go. Some of the above, and...
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== The Anti-Spirals failed to account for dark energy in their predictions ==
{{quote|
'''Astronomer:''' Well, actually, we ran the numbers and it seems that space itself is constantly expanding, so it can easily accommodate the extra matter created by the Spiral Energy.
'''Anti-Spirals:''' ...
'''Anti-Spirals:''' Well, crap! }}
== The Anti-Spirals are full of it ==
That "Spiral Nemesis" the Anti-Spirals were worried about? ''It happened once before''; a [[Megas XLR|fat lunatic dropout piloting a mech with a Chevy for a head did it to defeat slug aliens]] and then '''demolished it''', creating in its place a new, awesome universe in which the [[Rule of Cool]] [[Hand Wave
== In the movies, the Spiral Nemesis actually happened ==
Remember that bit near the end of the second movie where the [[Beam-O-War|two colliding Giga Drill Breakers]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pppoTBfG7XU briefly suck in all the galaxies in the Anti-Spiral dimension]? That was it. Both sides were too busy being [[Hot
== Attenborough is an adult version of [[
* They both wear thick glasses.
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The talk about Kamina's father? Complete red herring to disguise the truth. For whatever reason, Simon eventually realizes he has to send himself back in time to become Kamina or the entire story will never take place.
== The prologue to Episode 1 takes place after the epilogue to Episode 27, during a conflict between Earth and other Spiral races. ==
The entire raison d'etre of Spiral Energy is defiant, almost belligerent force-of-will. That, in of itself, is rarely a trait that makes for comfortable relations between neighbors. And while it is probably A Good Thing that the Anti-Spiral embargo has been eradicated, that makes it all the likelier that tensions will flare up between the surviving races.
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Supposing this is true, the real question is "how stacked ARE the odds against our heroes?" Boota's statement "So all the heavens are against us" could be literal, with many or all of the other Spiral races allied against Earth; conversely, it could be mere hyperbole.... a doomsday like any other.
== The Anti-Spiral is the AM supercomputer / Ted from ''[[I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream]]'' ==
As seen in the original short story both Ted and AM are [[And I Must Scream|trapped in unmovable bodies forever]], but Ted had an altered time perception, while AM is a [[Deus Est Machina]]. Eventually, AM used his [[Deus Est Machina]] powers to manipulate probability and assimilate Ted, while Ted's consciousness merged with AM's hatred, becoming the Anti-Spiral, which still because of its hatred of all Spirals, still tries to have fun imposing absolute despair upon the universe, justifying its [[And I Must Scream]] existence with Instrumentality and "protecting the universe". This also means Simon killing the Anti-spiral was also a form of euthanasia.
== The Anti-Spirals where right. ==
The series makes is quite clear that the [[Hot
== Yoko's kisses don't just guarantee death ==
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== {{spoiler|The reason Kamina died in Episode 8 is because if he and Yoko had progressed in their relationship and eventually had a child, it would have contained a level of genetic badass so high that it might have shattered the space-time continuum, or something equally devastating.}} ==
Think about it. The TTGL universe was simply preventing a future meltdown of the few tenuous laws that exist in it. After all, can you imagine the sheer [[Hot
* They would have had twins. [[Up to Eleven|One even hotter and wearing even less than Yoko and one even more manly and more hotblooded than Kamina, both having over 9000 times the badass of their parents. They would have been the Spiral Nemesis, but would be so badass it wouldn't happen.]]
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== Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is a miniature universe ==
Lets look at the facts. It was created by absorbing the Infinity Big Bang Storm, which Leeron states is capable of creating universe. It doesn't even remotely resemble any gunmen, let alone the Gurren Lagann series. It appears to be a silhouette which contains celestial objects. The "cockpit" in it appears to be a void of green light. The only thing that appears to be pure matter is the drills and shades. Presumably, STTGL is a universe formed by spiral energy into a humanoid figure.
* This troper would like to posit that the STTGL did not disappear. It became the universe in which all other mecha anime take place.
== Viral(Vee-rahl)'s name isn't "viral" (vai-ruhl), a reference to his genetics... ==
It's a reference to the word "virile", further showing how connected he is to the story of Kamina, Simon, and [[Hot
* Look up what the word Viral means would you.
** Why? "ヴィラル, Viraru" ("Vee-rahl") is a character in TTGL. Viral ("vai-ruhl") is, according to the tenth edition of "Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary", [[Captain Obvious|"of, relating to, or caused by a virus"]]. What's your point?
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== The Anti-Spirals [[Omnicidal Maniac|aren't]] so [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|well-intentioned]] [[Complete Monster|after all]]. ==
Think about it. If the Anti-Spirals are really out to protect the universe from the Spiral Nemesis, why are they so bent on the ultimate extermination of all Spirals? Why are they so bent on torturing others to despair and death? Why have they become [[Those Who Fight Monsters]]? If they kill off all the Spirals, they'll be the only ones left. Also, Notice how they have absolutely no proof about Spiral Nemesis or that Spiral Power is dangerous, and if they're really cosmic entities then they should realize that in scientific measurements the universe is infinite and expanding (Dark Energy), the universe will always have room for more Spiral Power and if that's not enough, they can spread it onto the black seas of infinity outside the universe. They're using the Spiral Nemesis as an excuse; they simply want to [[Kill'Em All]] because they're [[Fantastic Racism|Fantastic Racists]]. They're [[With Great Power Comes Great Insanity|deranged]] [[
TL;DR: Anti-Spirals are [[A Nazi
* No, they're [[Doctor Who
* Alternatively, they are this and [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|trying to save the universe.]] Much like Dr Finitevus, they are [[Complete Monster|absolutely evil]], yet so demented [[Knight Templar|they think they're helping out the universe.]] Which, in an utterly twisted way, they are doing.
** That's... [[Fridge Brilliance|PERFECT]]!
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I don't know in the serie, but in the movie, Viral obtain his own Tengen toppa! Plus, at the end, we don't see him, as in the series. That's beacuse he's old, married, and with his own family.
== Lord Genome was once exposed to [[Team Fortress 2
In the ''[[
** That, or he's just so manly that instead of one country, his chest hair depicts The ENTIRE Milky Way Galaxy.
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*** Perhaps Kamina went back in time once he became Spiral Jesus. He died a virgin, came back as the god of Spiral Energy, and used his powers to impregnate Simon's mom in the past. [[My Own Grandpa|And maybe his own, since how else would you get such awesomeness.]]
== Everyone is a [[Doctor Who
...Or a Proto-Time Lord, and what the show depicts the beginning of the Time Lords' history.
** TTGL's "Earth" is actually Gallifrey.
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** The Daleks and the Cybermen have the same intentions as the Anti Spirals. They just found their own ways to prevent any TTGL-esque insurrection : [[Omnicidal Maniac|Exterminating Everyone]], or [[You Will Be Assimilated|Upgrading Everyone]]
== Show takes place in a distant future of ''[[
Mimetic Beasts were created by Anti-Spirals - they were first attempt to exterminate Spirals, together with Insania Virus. That's not a coincidence that it was using exactly the same thing that fuels Spiral Power - fighting spirit - to fuel itself and turn infected against their friends. However, when Anti-Spiralrs realized that they only accelerated evolution of Spirals, they launched full-scale campaing against them. Also, Kamina is descedant of Shizuru and Kouji. Really, try to mix Kouji's [[Hot
== Suigetsu from ''[[Naruto]]'' is Viral. ==
No, wait, hear me out!
Okay, so, nobody in Gurren Lagann (excluding [[Badass|LordGenome]]) has managed to manifest Spiral Power without the aid of a machine or some other item (i.e. the Core Drill). Sometime in the future, humanity creates techniques to manifest Spiral Power sans an external aid. This is the root of Jutsu. Eventually there's another war or something, and humanity once again finds itself nearly wiped out. They are forced to rebuild again, however, this time they retain the core of what would become Jutsu. Viral survives, and in the Naruto universe he calls himself Suigetsu (I mean [https://web.archive.org/web/20150530192729/http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/572/23001-suigetsu_super_strenght_super.jpg look at him]!). This conveniently explains the spiral motif in Naruto's character (i.e. the Rasengan, his seal) and why Naruto keeps being able to do crazy stuff despite whatever beating he might take (it only fuels his hotbloodedness, which fuels spiral power i.e. chakra). This Troper also likes to dream about how the ultimate form of the Rasengan will be the Lazengann.
* ......It is logical, though you should see the Naruto guess that Kamina is the [[So SP]]. And I feel the same about the Rasengan-Lazengan thing.
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== Leeron is the most manly character in the TTGL world. ==
However, he consciously knew that if he kept it up humanity would die out from [[Even the Guys Want Him|the supermassive Black Hole of highly-compressed GAR]] (the only [[Designer Babies]] are Beastmen, remember?), and subconsciously knew that it would cause the universe's supply of [[Hot
* He's so manly he doesn't need women at all!
** He's so manly it loops back to [[Camp Gay]], ala digit overflow
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== The Anti-Spiral was trying to prevent [[The Laundry Series|CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN]] ==
If there's enough living creatures thinking, imagining, processing information, it breaks down the walls between Here and There, which would mean The Stars Would Be Right and the Many-Angled Ones would awaken, and we'd be looking at a Class X-4 Apocalypse. Galaxy-sized robot or no, you go mad just looking at these things. If you're ''lucky''.
The Anti-Spirals probably found some link between Spiral Power and The Many-Angled Ones, and realised it's perhaps best not to use it as a power source, as it would bring about the end of the universe, and when other races refused to believe them, they had to stop others by force. They also realised whilst out-and-out genocide was horrific, culling the population of the universe and keeping ir artificially low was the only way to prevent what The Laundry designated CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN.
One has to wonder what happened to BLUE HADES and DEEP SEVEN, though.
== Gurren Lagann was actually an RPG campaign. ==
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** Yes... Yes they do.
* After Kamina dies, they go on to play Nia, Viral when Nia's not playable.
** Nia was actually created by Kamina's player's little sister. He planned to make a [[Suspiciously Similar Substitute]], but then his sister insisted on going to a game with him and forced him to make his new character a frilly, girly princess. She lost interest after the [[Time Skip]], so the GM had to write her out by making her an Anti-Spiral. She came back right as they were doing the final battle, and assuming the game follows the movie canon, she brought her ''[[
*** "She has a cool giant robot now!" GM: "I don't think your character ever had a Gunman." "She does now! Oh, and it's as big as a galaxy! And I give everyone else robots just like it!" Kamina's player: "Hell yes!"
* Simon's player was the [[Only Sane Man]], although by the time skip he had gone just as crazy as the rest of them.
== The Dai-Gurren has existed in a previous form long ago: [[Fight Club (novel)|Fight Club]] ==
Fight Club is a group/cult built on the foundations of testosterone and chaos. Many years later, a young Kamina stumbles upon long-lost evidence of Project Mayhem. He misinterpets it and is inspired by what he saw to form a group of his own based upon the tenants laid down by Tyler, only molded to a much more idealistic format. Specifically the opposition of authority and forgoing of reason.
* Alternatively, [[Calvin and Hobbes
== The Spiral nemesis is actually something else ==
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After the world became unified, they started to do research on the Spiral Power, and then, after many and many years, came Lordgenome, and his fight against the Anti-Spiral. He used the lost power of Geass to almost reach the Anti-Spiral, but then he used against his crew. And, when he returned to Earth, after killing most of the population, he used Geass on the survivors, who had low morale and spiral power, to make them go to the underground without questioning and believe they always lived in underground. So came Simon and Kamina, Lordgenome knew his Geass wouldn't work on them, because they became so strong-spirited due to their Spiral Power that it would anullate any Geass (so {{spoiler|Nunnally}} used Spiral Power to anullate the {{spoiler|Emperor}}'s Geass). And, after his defeat, the Geass power was lost forever.
== [
It makes the galaxies accelerate and (one of the views) says that the universe will end in a Big Crunch, or, if you prefer, the Spiral Nemesis.
* Wait, isn't Dark Energy what makes the universe ''expand'', while the stuff that will cause the Real Life Spiral Nemesis is called dark matter?
* Update: I was thing about this and I realized that Gurren Lagann doesn't violate the Law of [[Equivalent Exchange]] because it actually transforms dark energy (which makes the universe expand) into spiral energy (which makes the universe contract through converting energy into mass), so what causes the awsomeness in TTGL is perfectly compatible with physics (and transforming too much dark energy into spiral energy must mess up everything in the universe).
== The Dragonball and Guerren Lagann universes are related. ==
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== TTGL is a compressed and somewhat chronologically confused retelling of Ocarina of Time and the [[Alternate Timeline|Child-timeline]] [[The Legend of Zelda|Zelda games]] ==
So first, Simon (who is Link) has to beat four bosses, the Beastman Generals, before he can get to Lordgenome (who is [[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|Zant]]). This is similar to how he had to reach the Mirror of Twilight and collect the remaining three shards before facing Zant. [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Time skip seven years into the future]]: Simon and Nia (Princess Zelda) are adults now, but since the villain was actually defeated this time instead of being allowed to continue, the world is better than it was rather than [[Bad Future|worse]], since this time Link didn't take a seven-year nap and instead lived out those years helping repair the damage done by the villain. But all that goes to Hell when someone decides to [[The Legend of Zelda:
== [[Just for Fun]]: Somewhere along the line, there was a character exchange between ''[[Gurren Lagann]]'' and ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' ==
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== [[Gurren Lagann]] and [[Mighty Morphin Power Rangers]] through [[Power Rangers in Space]] are Alternate Universes. ==
* Gurren Lagann starts off with the crew facing off against the Beastmen just to survive, while [[Mighty Morphin Power Rangers]] begins with Rita Repulsa attempting to conquer earth, with the Power Rangers entirely on the defensive.
* As the series goes on, they begin to take the fight to them, only for Machine King Mondo to show up. At this point, the battles are equaly defense and offence. the paralels in Gurren Lagann is the Dai Gunzan making its way to Teplin, being on the offensive while still having to defend themselves from the remaining of the Four Generals.
** This is also where Spiral Power begins to be mentioned in Gurren Lagann, and where the ever-more-powerful Zeo Chrystals are in [[Power Rangers
* Skipping Turbo, as it didn't do a whole lot as far as story development goes.
** Turbo is the [[Time Skip]].
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Think a bit about it, a lot of the time, she's captured and mentally tortured, not to mention the fact that she's used (willingly or not) to basically just move the plot forward, first by Lordgenome, who threw her out, the Gurren-Dan have used her by basically saving her all the time, and Simon [[Alternate Character Interpretation|could have been using her to replace Kamina]], and Nia turned out to have been an Anti-Spiral puppet. When the show ended, {{spoiler|she dies}}, representing the fact that, now that the story is over, {{spoiler|what's the point in having a [[Plot Device]] anymore}}?
== Gurren Lagann takes place in the same universe as ''[[Avatar (
Detailed in the [[Avatar (
== Gurren Lagann takes place in the same universe as ''[[
Again, the details are in [[Homestuck
== The Anti-Spirals are still out there. ==
Not the Anti-Spiral race our heroes fought. No. Unknown to our heroes,the Anti-Spirals had allied with the only race they could trust - [[Mechanical Lifeforms|a race of machines.]] When the Anti-Spirals were beaten, said robots decided, after watching the [[Ax Crazy]] [[Large Ham]] of the Anti-Spiral leader, that ''all living things'' could lead to Spiral Nemesis, and as non-living things, [[Kill All Humans|they must wipe out life]] [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|so it cannot occur.]]
* [[Warhammer
* However, not all of these [[Mechanical Lifeforms]] seek the destruction of life. Some - some will come to protect the Spirals, and refused to ally with the Anti-Spirals. Most will come to destroy them. They were the dream - [[Mechanical Lifeforms]] able to [[Transforming Mecha|transform]] their bodies into [[Cool Car|ve]][[Cool Plane|hi]][[Tank Goodness|cl]][[Cool Starship|es]]; a last line of defense against the [[Omnicidal Maniac|all who oppose Spiral life]]! They are at war, heroic Autobot pitted against evil Decepticon, both on their homeworld of Cybertron and throughout the universe! They are the universe's last hope, they are - '''[[Transformers]]'''!
== Jorgun and Balinbow went out in a blaze of Spiral Energy in their last moments during Episode 24. ==
* Consider what happened to the other Team Dai-Gurren pilots, and what we see of them. Zorthy's cockpit slowly caves in on him as it's crushed. Iraak and Kidd charge their outgunned Space Ganmen at the Anti-Spiral fleet before they fade to white. Makken cuts to an external view of his Moshogun before it impacts the Anti-Spiral missile. All of these are animated in the series' normal style. Only Jorgun and Balinbow have a stylistically unique death scene in that episode. It's rendered in black and white, with their features drawn in a harsh, sketchy style that eventually gives way to a growing white. Notably, this is visually similar to those who died due to a Spiral Energy based attack for one reason or another. It's probably a safe assumption that the twins manifested some kind of Spiral Energy as their Ganmen
== We are currently in a Multi-Dimensional Labyrinth. ==
* We're currently experiencing one lifetime out of many. This not only explains
== The characters are all members of the Lantern Corps ==
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== The series takes place in (and under) the Middle East. ==
First of all, the terrain of the surface, pre-[[Time Skip]], is mostly desert wasteland. Even accepting the fact it's [[After the End]], the Middle East is mostly desert, and it doesn't seem that whatever caused the apocalypse would have destroyed the terrain. As I mentioned on the character page, Lord Genome looks like he could be a Turk or an Arab, and he's old enough to have lived on the surface. And is it just me, or does Teppelin look like it could be a repurposed Burj Khalifa? The reason everyone lives underground could have grown out of the Beastmen using them as slave labour to excavate oil (remember, the Beastmen have Gunmen that run on more conventional power sources) before their purpose was eventually forgotten. Or because living underground was better than living in the sand. Also, the song "My XXX is the Best in the Universe" contains one section that sounds remarkably like that [[Standard Snippet]] you always hear in [[
* With all the "Kamina is Jesus" parallels, obviously Kamina City is Jerusalem.
* With the conflict in Libya, this would make Row Row Fight The Power either a [[Funny Aneurysm Moment]] or [[Hilarious in Hindsight]].
** The lyrics itself is [[What Do You Mean Its Not Didatic|socialist enough]].
== The series is a sequel/alternate world of sorts of [[
Mostly because Rossiu is a dead ringer for Fei Fong Wong. Also, giant robots.
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Spiral themes are present in both series, and Lordgenome can be paralleled to Yunalesca in the sense the system they developed were "saving" mankind and Yu Yevon is parallel to the Anti-Spiral and the heroes defeat the big bad by taking a third option, refusing the [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|extremist, but well-intended]], sort of, solutions.
== TTGL is the distant future of [[Mobile Fighter G Gundam
Aside from the direct comparisons between Simon/Nia and Domon/Rain, and the fact that both series are so full of [[Hot
* The powers shown by the G-Fighters both in and out of their Gundams are early manifestations of Spiral Power. George even develops a spiral-themed attack, Rose Hurricane, and Master Asia even ''flies up to his Gundam by spinning his sash in a spiral form!''
* Lagann, and its ability to take over other mecha, is one ultimate result of Dr. Raizo Kasshu's research that created the Ultimate Gundam, using Spiral Power to fuel self-evolving (through combining, or its creation of drills) and self-repair functions.
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Not only that, but when Simon and co are supposedly escaping from the ML, it shows Human!Boota standing up instead of lying down like the last shot of him was. How Simon knew this is somewhat simple to explain: He was partially aware of Boota's transformation in the real world but, given the circumstances, thought it was just a part of the ML so Simon's ML added that bit in (alternatively, it was the entire Dai-Gurren Dan's ML so Boota, for one reason or another, ended up thinking that his transformation was a part of the ML as well and thus "reverted" to normal).
In conclusion: The true ending to the series is [[Downer Ending|Nia getting deleted; the Dai-Gurren Dan dying from starvation, dehydration, or something to that effect; and the population of the Earth getting whipped out.]] [[The Villain Wins|The Anti-Spirals won.]] The universe is still under there control.
<ref>Of course, the movie takes care of the [[Plot Hole]] that led to my theory by doing away with Human!Boota all together. It does, however, beg the question why Boota's ML was with two random Dai-Gurren Dan members instead of Simon.</ref>
== The reason Boota never became a full-grown mole-pig ==
* It's because being around people like Kamina and Simon, and [[Lord Genome]] who have ''huge'' spiral energy reserves permanently changed his DNA. This is also why he ended up becoming so super-spiral-energy-filled near the end of the series - with his altered DNA, he absorbed and held (and possibly created his own) a lot of the spiral energy around him.
== Kamina isn't gone... ==
* When he died, he became reincarnated as the show's physics/laws of the universe. [[Rule of Cool]]? More like RULE OF KAMINA. If you want to take it farther, it can explain the [[Stripperiffic]] nature of some of the outfits.
** Yes, he was reincarnated, but not within the same world. You see, Kamina was a reality-warping hero who learned from childhood to laugh in the face of danger, dare to do the impossible, and cheer on the people around him even if everyone else thought him crazy. His first act as an adventurer was to break through the wall (well, ceiling) thought to be the edge of reality. And as he lay dying, his last thoughts were about how cute Yoko was, about his great friends, and about how someone ought to throw a victory party. And so he got a new chance at life where he'd do pretty much the same thing, under the name... Pin'''kamena'''. Aka. [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
*** No. NO NO NO NO NO. Wow, no. As if the Mighty Kamina would be anywhere near something as girly as "My Little Ponies!" Ha ha ha... besides, he'd totally be Rainbow Dash. HIS ARE THE RAINBOOMS THAT PIERCE THE HEAVENS!
** So he didn't die so much as he ''became Spiral Energy itself?'' In other words, [[Star Wars|he became one]] [[Ascend To A Higher Plane Of Existance|with the Spiral]]. The same thing happened to Lord Genome, seeing as it was his death that provided Team Dai-Gurren with the energy to create the [Super] Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
== Every light in the sky ''IS'' an enemy! ==
Not the planets or lifeforms, but the stars themselves. They're [[Genius Loci|alive]] and burning with Spiral Energy, and as Nemesis grows closer they'll begin to absorb everything around them, attempting to become [[
== [[
As above, Algol is either a particularly powerful star who attempted to cause Spiral Nemesis early, or it'sa n alternate universe in which Nemesis began in the 1920's. In turn the light beings are Spiral Knights, either attempting to prevent Nemesis, or simply an opposing faction out to increase their own spiral power.
== When the characters get spiral symbols in their eyes, it's to show that they've reached their maximum amount of Spiral Energy ==
Allow me to quote this from the main page, under [[Evil Eye]]: "Characters with large Spiral power signify this with spirals in their eyes. Strangely, Simon, the one who produces the vast majority of said power, doesn't get this until the Distant Finale, and then only on one side." This made me think that maybe the reason it only shows on one side is because he hasn't maxed out his Spiral Energy. And then I realized that the Anti-Spiral had good reason to fear the Spiral Nemesis if that's the case.
* Furthermore, it's also [[Fridge Brilliance]] that he never reaches his maximum potential - it's to show he's restraining himself and not causing the Spiral Nemesis.
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It may sound silly, yes. But take a look at Parallel Works 8, and you'll see, that when he powers up the Cathedral Lazengann Lordgenome uses the exact same Giga Drill Breaker-style technique as Simon and Viral did when they combined with Ark-Gurren. Moments later, he used the Super Galaxy Giga Drill Breaker, that Simon later used, in order to destroy his enemies. Knowing Gainax, this is more than a coincidence. It is simply a feature that is programmed into all Laganns, so it can be used should it be necessary.
== Lordgenome is actually [[Death Note
Think about it. Their hairstyles are somewhat similar and only differ in color, which is either negligible or a result of the color scheme of Parallel Works 8; they were also very gifted geniuses. Lordgenome also appears to have been a loner when he was a child, much like Near. In addition, at the beginning of Parallel Works 8, Lordgenome is surrounded by several small animals, some of which are unreasonable to think of as being so small (there's an elephant, a giraffe, a dolphin and a gorilla to say the least). With the exception of Guame, these could have simply been dolls that he was playing with much in the same way that Near liked to play with action figures and dice.
== [[I Lied|Everything the Anti-Spiral said was a lie.]] ==
Spiral Nemesis? Doesn't exist, Spiral Power isn't remotely dangerous. Why did the Anti-Spiral lie? Simple: They were [[Complete Monster
* I doubt that the Spiral Nemesis was a lie. However I don't doubt that the Anti-Spirals were [[Complete Monster|complete monsters either.]] It's possible for someone to be [[Knight Templar|both Well Intentioned Extremist and Complete Monster]] (granted, it's a very rare case.)
== Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is basically the philosophy of [[The Anti
Think about it. Kamina is as close as a hero can come to [[Friedrich Nietzsche]]'s [[Ubermensch]], and actually changes the morality of the world and refusal to obey higher powers (Lordgenome and the [[Straw Nihilist|Anti-Spiral]]). In the finale, the Spirals accept the anti-spirals' despairing nihilistic criticisms (up to the point they referenced the [[Eternal Recurrence]]), [[Reconstruction|reconstructing]] them and becoming more of an encouragement. The emphasis on personal growth? Existentialism to the bone. "Go down a path that you choose and do it all by yourself. That's the way team Dai-Gurren rolls!" sums it up best.
== TTGL is the far distant future of Warhammer 40k ==
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3. However, after so long in his 'condition' the Emperor's mortal paranoia, xenophobia, and other badness remain, and his Well Intentioned Extremism Goes [[Up to Eleven]]. He decides that more needs to be donee to prevent more Chaos Gods from being born or from ever coming back...
4. The Eldar on the other hand transcend their mortal pettiness. And before They [[Ascend to
5. These weapons are the Lagann, each one a [[Mind Hive]] of Orks. They scatter these across the galaxy/universe. Shortly after, they either fully Ascend or are slain by the God-Emperor...
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* Type I: Tolerance. These only qualify in terms of the fact they aren't affected by evolution, and the Anti-Spirals don't feel [[Fantastic Racism]] to them.
* Type II: Appreciation. These members of C.A.A.S are not only unaffected by evolution/have abandoned it, but wish to suppress the change associated with it. The Anti-Spirals appreciate the effort, but do not agree with the reason. Indeed, [[Reliable Traitor|many will ultimately betray them.]] [[Genre Savvy|They've]] [[You Have Outlived Your Usefulness|prepared for this.]]
* Type III: Acceptance. They not only qualify for the previous two types, but they're trustworthy. They possess the same [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|"trying to help out"]] quality. Some [[Anti-
* The ultimate goal? [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|Save the multiverse from the forces of change and evolution]], [[Lawful Evil|by completely suppressing it.]] This is achieved in two ways.
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* All [[Mechanical Lifeforms]], full stop. Since machines aren't living organisms, they can't truly reproduce or evolve. And they don't have DNA, either. Certain [[Mechanical Lifeforms]] [[Kill All Humans|can be considered Type II.]]
* [[Our Zombies Are Different|The unliving]], [[Our Ghosts Are Different|the souls]] our anything which no longer lives. Much like machines, their inability to reproduce and non-living nature means the Anti-Spirals do not consider them dangerous to the multiveerse
* [[Green Lantern
* [[The Bible|YHWH.]] Considering the guy can create an entire universe [[Clarke's Third Law|with or without technology]], is order incarnate and [[Place Beyond Time|exists in the neverwhen/neverwhere]], the Anti-Spirals are very interested [[Eldritch Abomination|with whatever He is.]] [[Cthulhu Mythos|They also think about using Azathoth to manipulate it.]]
The following are considered as Type II
* [[Doctor Who
* [[The Matrix|The Machines.]] Their complete control and restriction of Spiral Power has been quite handy for the Anti-Spirals. It is said that the Machine subconsciously based the Matrix off the Multiversal Labyrinth. {{spoiler|After letting the humans be free, they have gone down to Type I.}}
* [[Nineteen Eighty-Four|The ideology of Ingsoc in general]]. The Party actually succeeded in bringing themselves and the world into [[Despair Event Horizon|complete absolute despair]], unable to progress ''ever'', with things like curiosity or [[No Sex Allowed|sex]] stamped out (and their neurologists are working on it) through [[Room 101|sheer fear]]. The reason they're Type II rather than Type III is that because ironically their system of Absolute Despair is itself powered by power hunger, war hysteria and a constant "[[With Us or Against Us]]" state, also the best emotional states for channeling Spiral Energy, and because the Party is warlike to the extreme, the Anti-Spirals are just as wary as they are with the Daleks (The Antispirals also don't use Room 101 against fully-developed spirals like Simon or use Room 101 on the vast majority of the Proles because they knew that fear can sometimes lead to anger which in spiral energy translates to destruction) Perhaps when the orgasm is neurologically abolished and [[Newspeak]] fully implemented on the entire population to label all concepts related spiralist progress as thought-crime can the Party move to Type III.
The following are considered as Type III
* [[Avatar (
* [[Doctor Who
* [[Fairly Oddparents|The Pixies.]] Immortal beings dedicated to making everything boring. This is only part of their plan. The truth is that they're full allies of the Anti-Spirals. They use their magic in order to restrain the chaos created by Fairies and Anti-Fairies respectively. [[Motive Decay|Trying to destroy the world?]] There's a good reason for that. When Poof was born, it was a sign of that universe's encroaching Spiral Nemesis. The Pixies felt that they needed to wipe out the planet, so the Fairies can't grant wishes: with Poof, they'd just trigger Spiral Nemesis.
The following are considered agents
* [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
* [[Darkseid]]. Due to being [[Lawful Evil]] incarnate and believes in [[The Evils of Free Will]], Darkseid is a valued agent. He's also a [[Reliable Traitor]], who will [[The Starscream|one day betray the Anti-Spirals.]] Once he completes his mission of gaining the Anti-Life equation(the Anti-Spirals are protected against it), [[You Have Outlived Your Usefulness|they will dispose of him.]] The two enjoy discussing about their respective fields
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* If it becomes too much of a tie, the Anti-Spiral will see them destroy one another and/or kill them all.
== Grand Unified Guess: Conversely, the ranks of famous Spiral Warriors throughout history include
* [[
* The [[Elite Beat Agents]]
* [[Theodore Roosevelt]]
** The death of his children was an attempt to inflict absolute despair.
* [[
* [[
* [[Braveheart|William Wallace]]
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After the end of Evangelion, only Shinji and Asuka were left. At first, they tried to rebuild humanity via [[Adam and Eve Plot]]. However, this became insufficent. In order to truly bring back the human species, the two harnessed the power of [[Eldritch Abomination|the Angels.]] Through this, they got the full extent of Spiral Power (which is known in Evangelion as the S2 Engine), [[Humans Are Special|which led to]] [[Human Aliens|the humanoid form becoming the best at harnessing this power.]] Countless millennia passed. Shinji decided to [[A God Am I|ascend to godhood]], touring the universe. Eventually he realised the threat of Spiral Power, while his childhood depression once again took over his personality. This led him to becoming the primary consciousness behind the Anti-Spiral and his "absolute despair" ideology.
== Genesic [[
Genesic [[
== The Spiral Nemesis is not only real, but it actually happened. ==
As long as there is [[No Fourth Wall]], the "Spiral Nemesis" could reference [[The Chris Carter Effect]]. As in, Spiral Energy is nothing more than the [[Clap Your Hands If You Believe|the audience's will]] to have an entertaining story. Once the inertia of having most of the threads being resolved occurred, the audience is finally ready to have the plot wither and die. If the story continued at that point, [[Sequelitis|the Spiral Energy would be tapped out,]] [[Darkness
And THAT'S why Gurren Lagann's 2nd season is in [[Development Hell]].
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== [[Real Life]] is the distant future of [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]. ==
In Lagann-Hen, it's implied that the fighting between the Grand Zamboza and {{spoiler|Mecha-Kamina Spiral Jesus}} caused the Anti-Spiral pocket universe to collapse, ala Spiral Nemesis. Unknown to either side, the universe didn't just collapse: it became a new Big Bang. And thus, ''we'' were born in a [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]. The reason why our universe has zero [[Rule of Cool]] or [[Rule of Funny]] behind it, not to mention completely unbreakable laws of physics, is because we were once the Anti-Spiral pocket universe. Still, [[Crazy Awesome]] from {{spoiler|Mecha-Kamina Spiral Jesus}} remain: that's why [[Divide
== There is something better at harnessing Spiral Energy. ==
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Further, Shizuru Fujiwara and Kouji Testuya could have the ancestors of Kamina, while Goh and Anna could have been the ancestors of Yoko.
== Spiral Energy is [
Makes sense, doesn't it?
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Think about it: the Anti-Spirals were the ones who discovered Spiral Nemesis, and {{spoiler|Lord Genome had his [[Heel Face Turn]] after they [[Mind Rape|mindraped]] this information into them.}} This Opening Sequence is what would've happenned if the Anti-Spirals lost/there were no Anti-Spirals: humanity would've become reckless, and ultimately "all the lights in the sky are our enemies." The captain is Simon, Kamina or one of their ancestors. If there was an Anti-Spiral war, it's likely Simon/Kamina.
== The series [[A Long Time Ago in
For starters, the Milky Way galaxy doesn't look like that.
* We're dealing with planet/galaxy sized mechs having the power to defy the laws of physics. The Milky Way galaxy was probably altered in the Spiral Wars
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* Beastmen cannot harness Spiral Power, [[Can't Have Sex Ever|because they're infertile.]]
* Their shouting when using Spiral Power sounded [[The Immodest Orgasm|like something]] [[The Grunting Orgasm|else.]]
* The {{spoiler|Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann}} had everybody combining. ''[[A Party - Also Known
== Lord Genome's home era is the near future/21st century. ==
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== Spiral Power ''doesn't'' violate [[Equivalent Exchange]] ==
What we witness as "creating matter and energy out of nothing" is just tapping the powers of [[Another Dimension]] (or dimensions) whose immense energies then spiral out into our universe and then transformed into matter by manipulating Einstein's Mass-energy equation (E=MC^2), said matter is assimilated into Lagann's drills. "Spirals" are just psychic humans with a lot of testosterone and [[
== Lordgenome once had a daughter, who died at the age of fourteen. ==
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== Rossiu is the Anti Spiral from the Episode One clip ==
Ok, so hear me out on this one. It’s already been fairly established the beginning of the first episode was basically an alternate future where Simons spiral power went out of control and caused the Spiral Nemesis. Well let’s take that a step further with the fact the Anti Spiral planet was basically sitting in its own little pocket dimension and looks suspiciously like Earth. Rossiu, being the [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] that he is, would certainly have gone the Anti-Spirals route to protect the Earth and also be willing to breach other Space/Time domains to prevent it from happening again. Additionally, consider the fact the Anti-Spirals treated the Spiral Nemesis as a known rather than just a logical theory. It would also make Nias “You don’t understand…” to which the Anti Spiral responds “Understanding is not required…” an Ironic echo to Rossius’ comment that Simon “Did not understand”. Also there almost seemed to be a personal touch to the way the Anti-Spiral targeted Simon, more than just the tactics of despair he seemed to need to prove to Simon Spiral energy would be the doom of everything. Which given his lack of Spiral Energy and distrust in it, ordering the Gunmen to be scrapped in favor of much more science driven Grapearls.
== ''Spore'' is set in the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann universe. ==
Humans were just driven underground by the time your species has reached the space stage, Teppelin has yet to be built.
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== Purging yourself of spiral energy (like the Anti-Spirals) will drive you to insanity. ==
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