Topic on Talk:Stuffed Into the Fridge
Alright, let's try to take this from the top and see if I can decipher it:
- "It is basically an excuse to attack any work which dares to harm a female character."
From the very first paragraph of the current definition:
And from what Goo quoted:
Notice that neither of the above definitions are exclusive to women - by virtue of including best buddies and sidekicks, in fact, one could argue there are just as many male examples.
- "No, in no possible way. I'm not gonna engage in such a radical vision of the world."
What about this suggestion makes it remotely indicative of a worldview held by Goo or anyone else, let alone a """radical""" one? That's a lot of assumptions to extrapolate from discussing a trope that can be described "I think this character died just so they could advance the plot." Tropes Are Tools, and like all tools can be used badly - it simply happens that killing characters for shock value tends to be a common "misuse" of such tools.
- "And I do not consider Ms. Gordon in the Killing Joke fridging. Harming her served a practical purpose, and latter a technical purpose, Joker was trying to goad her father into evil"
...by causing him anguish through disabling his daughter, which was ultimately the extent of her role in the plot - because that's how they wrote it up. Thus, by:
- Severely injuring her
- for the purpose of causing Batman and Gordon anguish, and
- trying to tempt the latter into evil
...it meets the above definition of fridging on a categorical basis, rather than whatever pejorative sense you're picturing it in.
For the record, I think it was poor treatment of Barbara Gordon - but unlike a lot of fridging examples, I think they did "right" by her afterward with Oracle. It aged far better than the animated adaptation's handling of her, that much is certain.
- ""This is what some people use those words for outside the wiki" is a pretty weak argument. I'm not even sure if it's a trope."
...how is that a """weak argument""" when it's literally the foundation of how troping works period - by identifying patterns in fiction and identifying their use and applications? And on the note of weak arguments, how is the easily observable trend of killing off a character's friends and/or family to cause them angst not a trope?
It really just seems like you're protesting the potential viewing of a trope in a way that you, personally, dislike and are just trying to rationalize it after the fact.