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{{quote|''"Can a [[Laser Blade|lightsaber]] cut through [[Superman]]?"''|[[Google]] autocomplete (There's also "Can a lightsaber cut through [[X-Men|adamantium]]?")}}
Ah, the [[Intercontinuity Crossover]] fight. One of those things that makes you glad to be a fan. And even more glad that you're not
It's a recurring obsession of fans, the question of "Who would win in a fight?". Fans will reason it out, argue it out, come up with incredibly thorough theories about how and why and where, and [[My Dad Can Beat Up Your Dad|eventually resort to name-calling]] and [[Godwin's Law|comparing their opponents to Nazis]].
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'''Other similar debates include:'''
* ''[[Fish Out of Water|Out of Time, Out of Place]]'': Taking a character or group from one series (say, the [[Fantastic Four]]), placing them in the setting of another series (say, ''[[Star Trek]]''), and discuss what happens.
** ''Force Substitution'': A variation where a character is placed in a battle or scenario from another series—say, [[The Lord of the Rings|the defense of Minas Tirith]].
* ''[[Curb Stomp Battle|Curbstomp]]'': Similar to the original kind, only the thread creator, and most likely the general population of the board, knows full well (or at least believes) that one side has an overwhelming advantage. The purpose of this discussion is just ''how'' badly the underdog (who is usually considered unpopular, often to [[The Scrappy]] level, on that board) is going to get slaughtered.
The trope is named for the song and flash animation "[[Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny (song)|The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny]]" by Lemon Demon, in which nearly every famous fictional character, pop culture icon and historical personage ''ever'' come together for the sole purpose of knocking the living crap out of each other.
The geek-centric Wizard Magazine has a section devoted to this called "Who Would Win?" and would describe the stats of the two combatants and then tell the "real" fight that occurs. They then proclaim a winner and have a URL to go to to talk about it. They've done [[The Avengers (Comic Book)|The Avengers]] versus the [[Justice League]] ({{spoiler|[[Justice League]] won}}), Classic Wolverine versus [[Ultimate Marvel|Ultimate]] Wolverine ({{spoiler|Classic Wolverine won}}), and [[Dragon Ball|Goku]] versus [[Superman]]
Usually settled with [[Popularity Power]]. See also [[Fan Wank]] and [[Evasive Fight Thread Episode]]. If it's actually canon then it's a [[Massive Multiplayer Crossover]]. Compare [[Character Tiers]]. Contrast [[Story-Breaker Team-Up]]. If you were looking for the song, [[Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny (song)|go here]].
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=== Web Original ===
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120217185804/http://screamsheet.wordpress.com/fights/ The Screamsheet] has done weekly fights between a variety of characters since 2000. The fights have a loose continuity and several running jokes, such as Superman always losing and the Earth being destroyed multiple times.
* [http://www.electricferret.com/fights/ The Comic Book Universe Battles], which started in 1997 as a sub-section of a ''[[Xena: Warrior Princess]]'' fan's Callisto fansite and eventually grew into something all its own.
* The now-defunct [http://www.grudge-match.com/ WWWF: Grudge Match], though the archives are still there, listing the more than 200 fights the site has run.
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20110425175414/http://thelonelywinds.com/phpBB2/index.php The Lonely Winds forum] has three sub-forums dedicated to various USoUDs in eight different leagues of various power level and compositions.
* ''Numerous'' websites dedicated solely to what faction from ''[[Star Wars]]'' and ''[[Star Trek]]'' would lay the ultimate smackdown upon all the others. [http://www.stardestroyer.net StarDestroyer.net] is a particularly (in)famous one, and [http://forum.spacebattles.com/ SpaceBattles.com] caters to all kinds of sci-fi matchups but is invariably dominated by ''Trek'' vs. ''Wars'' as well as the occasional just-for-fun curbstomp (the Orcs from ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' vs. modern machine guns, [[Superior Firepower|carpet bombing from B-52s]], ''an orbiting Imperial Star Destroyer'', and finally, the real kicker, [[Warhammer 40,000|doze udda Orkz]]). Both of these websites more or less grew out of the Usenet newsgroup alt.startrek.vs.starwars.
* "Dream Tournament", a popular series of vote-driven fanfics on the Usenet group rec.games.video.arcade from the mid-'90s, pitted [[Fighting Game]] characters from different games against each other. The Tournament gave rise to several spinoffs, as well as many [[Fanon]] personality traits for the characters.
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* History nerds are somewhat fond of debating Alexander the Great vs [[Genghis Khan]]. This battle actually happens in [[Arthur C. Clarke]] and Stephen Baxter's collabaorative novel, ''Time's Eye''.
* [http://www.rpgdl.com/ The RPG Duelling League] is a site dedicating to deciding which [[Video Game]] RPG characters would win in a fight. The site is organized into 6 week long elimination tournaments (refered to as seasons) with four different [[Character Tiers]] (Light, Middle, Heavy, and Godlike). The voters who decide who wins are also ''strongly'' encouraged '''NOT''' to vote according to [[Popularity Power|popularity]] or [[Gameplay and Story Segregation|plot powers]], but rather comparative in-battle capabilities and performance.
* "Hitler continued laughing, then finally said 'Goku! You came here expecting to find a madman, but instead, you found a GOD!' Hitler had become a Super Saiyan." How's that for a [[Crack Fic]]-style showdown? See it [https://web.archive.org/web/20120424085315/http://smallcave.net/goferchan/afgoku01.html right] [https://web.archive.org/web/20150920125421/http://smallcave.net/goferchan/afgoku02.html here] in all its Not Safe For Sanity glory. By the way, it also [[Shipping|ships]] Goku x Anne Frank.
* Whosthebitch.com was the HQ for a fun and easy game; simply match any two given personalities (or even inanimate objects) and answer the question, "Who's the bitch?" Basically pick which one would be the 'bottom' in a relationship between the two, and justify your answer with an explanation.
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryH1TB4gEUY Dead Fantasy] shows what happens when a bunch of girls from the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series go up against a bunch of girls from the [[Dead or Alive]] series. {{spoiler|In case you didn't figure it out by yourself, it's [[Fan Service]].}}
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* ''[[Epic Rap Battles of History]]'' does this, but with rapping.
* [[Sturgeon's Law]] is in full effect for this trope as well, as seen [http://dreager1.wordpress.com/ here]. The maker of this blog constantly sets up 'fights', only to choose his favorite anime character and have them win the fight with no real explanation and no acknowledgement of the other character's abilities.
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20131101033738/http://www.factpile.com/ Factpile] mostly runs on this trope. It has branched out to include other topics, but is still mostly battles between fictional characters. It has also determined the outcome of the page image {{spoiler|Superman easily wins.}}
* [[Make Your Move]] applies this to [[Super Smash Bros.]] with movesets for everything from King K. Rool to Socrates.
* Screwattack's ''[[Death Battle]]'' sets characters up against each other as well, from [[Star Wars|Boba Fett]] vs. [[Metroid|Samus Aran]] to [[Final Fight|Mike Haggar]] vs. [[Street Fighter|Zangief]] to [[Transformers|Starscream]] vs. [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic|Rainbow Dash]]. Notably not decided by votes, but by a look at each side's actual capabilities and extrapolating based on that.
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* ''[[Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus]]''.
** ... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpjxWF7C6E Vs. R. Lee Ermey.] {{spoiler|With a cameo from [[Billy Mays]].}}
* ''[[Scribblenauts]]'', which allows for a nearly infinite number of these. Bigfoot versus Longcat, God + Shotgun + Skateboard versus Cthulhu, [[Memetic Mutation|T. Rex versus Robot Zombies...]] The fourth video found [http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3175442 here]{{Dead link}} takes this to absurd lengths.
* The web site [http://www.grudge-match.com/ WWWF Grudge Match].
** [http://www.electricferret.com/cbub/ The comic book universe battles], who WWWF users saw as a friendly rival.
* the Race Of Champions (ROC), an annual event which involves taking the best racing drivers from their repsective fields and different nationalities, putting two of them into 100% indentical cars and having them race head to head on a very short twisty track for 2 laps.
* ''[[The Spoony Experiment]]'' had ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20130818175031/http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/12/05/the-deadliest-character/ Deadliest Character]'', a direct take-off of the aforementioned ''[[Deadliest Warrior]]'', featuring the [[Power Rangers|Megazord]] vs. Mecha[[Godzilla]]. {{spoiler|1=Megazord wins by summoning [[The Sixth Ranger]] and tearing MechaGodzilla apart}}.
* ''[[Tales From the Pit]]'' exposes "Who Would Win" as a favorite conversational topic of the ''[[Magic: The Gathering]]'' R&D team. Pairings include [[RoboCop]] vs. [[The Terminator]] and [[My Little Pony]] vs. the [[Transformers]].
* The children's book "Shark vs. Train", which takes the more common sense approach, with hilarious results (it matters, for instance, whether the competition is under water, or involves trying to sell lemonade.)
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* The entire gag underlying ''[[Bambi Meets Godzilla]]''.
* The Galactic Watercooler podcast has a recurring feature called Fantasy Sci-Fi League in which participants choose teams based on specific roles (warrior, pilot, reconnoissance, etc) and place them in a scenario such as the rescue of one of the podcasters from a [[Star Trek|Klingon]] prison planet, and give them some basic equipment (such as Carl Sagan's Starship of the Imagination). The winner is chosen based on the most entertaining way of completing a mission.
* The ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' episode "Buffy vs. Dracula". Right there in the title. The outcome, however, is indecisive, Buffy is unable to slay Dracula, but she does shoo him out of Sunnydale. Dracula's later appearances in the series range from [[Friendly Enemy]] to uneasy ally.
== Happens [[In-Universe]] ==
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*** {{spoiler|The final GX episode had an actual Yugi/Judai duel. It's implied that Yugi won, though we don't see the end results of the Osiris/Neos clash.}}
* The ''[[Mai-Otome]]'' manga put the Otome against the HiME, or, more specifically, their resurrected ''[[My-HiME]]'' counterparts. Guess which side won.
* One of the odder comic book examples: [https://web.archive.org/web/20131111155611/http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/315/ Superman vs. Muhammad Ali]
** You don't know the half of it. I provide for your amusement: [https://web.archive.org/web/20151121124802/http://www.superdickery.com/hulk-vs-santa/ Santa Claus vs The Incredible Hulk] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20151121212409/http://www.superdickery.com/santa-vs-iron-man/ Santa Claus vs the Iron Man] When you see Cringle pull out a submachine gun on the Man O' Iron, you know that [[A Worldwide Punomenon|Ho-Ho-Homicide]] is about to happen. As for pulling a crowbar out on the Hulk....
* Movies like ''[[Alien (franchise)|Alien]] Vs. [[Predator]]'', ''[[King Kong]] vs. [[Godzilla]]'', and ''[[A Nightmare on Elm Street|Freddy]] vs. [[Friday the 13th (film)|Jason]]'' cater to this. The latter, interestingly, was originally going to be called ''Freddy vs. Jason vs. [[Evil Dead|Ash]]'', but Sam Raimi wouldn't let them use his character unless he won, and the makers didn't want too clear-cut a victor. In the end, Raimi approved of a comic version of the story.
** One review of ''Alien vs. Predator'' opened by mentioning the latter two "vs." movies, then, struggling for [[Rule of Three|a third example]], adding, "and... um... ''[[Lassie (TV series)|Lassie]] vs. [[Flipper]]''?"
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* The original series of ''[[Star Trek]]'' had an episode in which aliens set up an Ultimate Showdown: Kirk, Spock, Abraham Lincoln, and Surak versus Colonel Green, Kahless, Zora, and [[Genghis Khan]].
** As well in the movie [[Star Trek]] Generations, Kirk meets Picard. And the fans went nuts..
* ''[[Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe]]''
* The Galactic Watercooler podcast has a recurring feature called Fantasy Sci-Fi League in which participants choose teams based on specific roles (warrior, pilot, reconnoissance, etc) and place them in a scenario such as the rescue of one of the podcasters from a [[Star Trek|Klingon]] prison planet, and give them some basic equipment (such as Carl Sagan's Starship of the Imagination). The winner is chosen based on the most entertaining way of completing a mission.
* Generally agreed to be what makes ''[[Soul Calibur]] 3'' and 4's Create-A-Soul feature so much fun.
* In an episode of ''[[Angel]]'', Wesley walks into Angel's office to discover that Angel and Spike have been arguing vehemently over who would win if astronauts and cavemen got into a fight. Unfortunately, [[Tear Jerker|the events of the episode]] prevent them from reaching a conclusion...although Whedon's [[Dysfunction Junction|general storytelling method]] and some dialogue in the episode hints on where his money, though not his heart, is: cavemen, i.e. [[Crapsack World|humanity's barbarousness and savagery can and do defeat reason or higher ideals]].
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* In a short story from the ''Wolf & Raven'' anthology for [[Shadowrun]], it's revealed that professional baseball in the Sixth World has become an exercise in this trope, with skillwired players' performance being dictated by software that makes them play exactly like historical star players. Thus, each season sees matchups like Babe Ruth vs. Mark McGuire, or even Babe Ruth from 1923 vs. Babe Ruth from 1927.
* The ''[[Family Guy]] vs. [[American Dad]]'' web fighting game in promotion of the series' DVD releases; [[Street Fighter|Ryu]] is the game's boss.
* An [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EiM8Pa91SQ episode] of ''[[The Annoying Orange]]'' featured [https://web.archive.org/web/20131207233557/http://www.youtube.com/leprechaun Liam the Leprechaun] forcing the orange to see if he was more annoying than [[Fred]]. {{spoiler|It appeared to end in a stalemate, but Fred got the last laugh.}}
* Alonso Quijano and his friends [[Those Two Guys|the curate and the barber]] were [[Fan Boy|victims of this phenomenon]]… Keep in mind this book was written [[Older Than Steam|more than four hundred years ago!]] At chapter I Part I we learn that:
{{quote|''" Many an argument did he have with the curate of his village (a learned man, and a graduate of Siguenza) as to which had been the better knight, [[Weird Al Effect|Palmerin of England]] or [[Incorruptible Pure Pureness|Amadis of Gaul]]. [[Unpleasable Fanbase|Master Nicholas, the village barber, however, used to say that neither of them came up to]] [[Dark Horse Victory|the Knight of Phoebus]], and that if there was any that could compare with him it was [[Ensemble Darkhorse|Don Galaor, the brother of Amadis of Gaul]], because he had a spirit that was equal to every occasion, and was no finikin knight, [[Never Live It Down|nor lachrymose like his brother]], while in the matter of valour he was not a whit behind him."''}}
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{{quote|'''Willis:''' I'll get back to you on this.}}
* [[Those Two Guys|21 and 24]] on [[The Venture Brothers]] often get into arguments about hypothetical fights such as Champ vs. Nessie or [[Crosses the Line Twice|Lizzie Borden vs. Anne Frank]].
* Who would win a race between [[Speedy Gonzales]] and [[Wile E. Coyote and The Road Runner| the Road Runner]]? This was the plot of the ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' short "The Wild Chase"; unfortunately, both [[Big Bad Duumvirate| Sylvester and Wile E. Coyote]] tried to disrupt the race, their machinations - and naturally, failures - in trying to nab their rivals causing the result to be inconclusive.
== Incidental appearances in other works ==
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If anything, people would giggle at Jason['s] crude "fatalities". Like a monkey with a brush trying to do art. No class, no finesse.. just senseless hacking.
Meanwhile people are doing sculptures with their opponents guts, with them still alive and screaming.}}
* ''[[8-
** And don't forget the Flash animations featuring matchups between the webcomic's characters (removed from the official website, but still available [https://web.archive.org/web/20150908021345/http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/search/author/Meddros here].
** Also, once the comic spent [http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/10/16/episode-342-hypothetically-speaking/ two] [http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/10/18/episode-343-check-mate/ installments] with RM and Black Mage discussing on who'd win, [[Batman]] or [[Doctor Doom]], with BM finishing the argument with "Doom's machinations are such that even if Batman wins, [[Xanatos Gambit|his victory will somehow further Doom's villainous schemes]]". [http://www.nuklearpower.com/2005/08/27/episode-591-hypothetically-speaking-again/ Another] had the two discussing on Bullseye vs. Green Arrow, with BM arguing against [[Improbable Aiming Skills|precisely shooting several arrows at once]] - until he [[Twang! "Hello."|received it]] himself.
=== Web Original ===
* ''[[Yu
* ''[[The Brave and The Bold: The Lost Issues]]'' often sets [[Batman]] or [[Fantastic Four|The Thing]] against various characters.
* Dark Horse Comics asked who would win; [[The Adventures of Dr. McNinja|Dr McNinja]], or [[Team Fortress 2|Saxton Hale]]?
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