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=== This is a list of Wild Mass Guesses which are still possibly true. [[Just for Fun]] and silly guesses go on the [[Umineko no Naku Koro
''Please add new entries to the bottom of the page.''
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Well, what do you think, everyone...?
* Pretty good overall, and generally I agree, but if I may raise a few points and questions.
1) The definition of "servant" here bugs me; it seems like an escapist twist. They call themselves servants, they act as servants, and they unconditionally obey Krauss and Natsuhi's orders, acknowledging Krauss as the heir. 2) Shannon's corpse was never seen by Battler, so it need not be there at all. Hideyoshi may have been cooerced into cooperating, then killed. 3) Jessica was with Kanon's body for a good period, almost until the point he "died." Unless she's stupid, she should have noticed something. 4) Maria and Battler lived to the end too. Are they for Beatrice?
** 1) {{color|red|Addendum to the hints presented:}} {{color|blue|Only Gohda and Kumasawa are servants who have not called themselves "furniture", and they have not been directly employed by Kinzo.}} It's possible that the parents have some degree of control over them, but it seems that their general loyalty is towards Kinzo. Also, no heir has been announced yet, since Kinzo is still "alive". There's still leeway for the theory to be true. 2) It's also possible that the corpses were misidentified, which still counts as "{{color|red|their identities being guaranteed,}} because the method of identification may not have been conclusive. 3) Hm. I have to re-check that. But if Battler didn't witness it (since he's the detective), then "Jessica being with Kanon" may not have happened. Or that Kanon's just that really good at playing dead. 4) They weren't really interfering, so there was no need to kill them. If they did, then they would've died anyway.
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== The solution to the first sound novel is that there is not just one culprit, but a conspiracy ==
This troper hasn't seen this anywhere else on this page, so I'll post here. This a Pro-Mystery solution to ''Legend of the Golden Witch'' that assumes that magic does not exist. There are spoilers from the first sound novel as well as spoilers from later sound novels, read at your own risk. This troper has edited the WMG for spelling, grammar, and coherence.
''Part 1: The ones who plan the Twilights.'' In this solution an assumption is made that there is a conspiracy involving Eva, Rudolph, Hideyoshi, Kyrie, Genji, & Dr. Nanjo. The possible motives for these six are as follows: 1)Eva wants George (or herself) to be family head. 2)Rudolph desperately needs a large amount of money to get himself out of trouble. 3)Hideyoshi supports his wife. 4)Kyrie supports her husband. 5)Genji and Nanjo are shown to be Kinzo's best friends and may believe that Kinzo would've wanted Eva to be head or that Krauss is not honoring their best friend's memory. It is established early on that Eva and Rudolf are by far the closest of the four siblings and in my opinion are two most likely to conspire together while leaving Rosa out of their scheme. It's not hard to see one of the two (probably Dr. Nanjo) revealing to either Eva or Hideyoshi about being forced to cover up Kinzo's death.
''Part 2: The Witch's Letter.'' Included in this theory is that Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice are multiple personalities in one body. Genji and Kumasawa are aware of this and actively cover it up. Possibly because they are protective of Shannon, who's been working as a maid since she was six and is bullied by Natsuhi. Notice that only scenes involving either Genji and/or Kumasawa do we also see Shannon and Kanon at the same time. The Beatrice persona is the one responsible for all of the murders and is the one who gives Maria the Witch's Letter. Beatrice also writes and seals all Witch's Letters for this game. I could go into further detail about the how and why of Shkanonatrice but that would be for another WMG. After Maria reads the letter at dinner but before the meeting later that night between the parents is when the plan is hatched. If the murder of Krauss is believed by all to be the fault of the Witch Beatrice, then Eva can be head of the family without suspicion. This is why everyone needs to believe that witch is real.
''Part 3: The First Twilight.'' The first twilight victims were Krauss, Rosa, Gohda, and a body faked to be Shannon's. Both Rudolf's and Kyrie's deaths are faked. Krauss is the primary target. Rosa is killed because she's seen as threat to the plan. Gohda is killed because he is seen as an agent of Krauss. A reason why Natsuhi is not in the first twilight is because of the unstable Beatrice. Shannon was patrolling the halls of the mansion when she saw golden butterflies which probably signified that Beatrice was surfacing. But why? Because she sees Kruass, Rosa, and Gohda being murdered! This Beatrice joins the group of conspirators and wants Kanon and Shannon dead so she can be 'real'. The fake Shannon body is prepared to appease Beatrice. Note that the fake Shannon body was probably not all that convincing, which is why Hideyoshi did not want anyone else to see it when the first twilight is discovered the next day, though Kanon does see it and is convinced she's dead. This symbolic killing of the Shannon personality also gives a reason why Shannon never resurfaces.
''Part 4: The Rest of the Twilights.'' All dead bodies with stakes in them are staged except for one. Dr. Nanjo is around to say that the staged deaths are genuine. Kinzo's body was cremated by one of the conspirators that faked their death. The only 'stake murder' that was not staged was Kanon's. As Kanon is pursuing whoever burned Kinzo's body, Beatrice surfaces and tries to kill Kanon. Dr. Nanjo tries desperately to save Kanon because this wasn't a part of the plan. It is also possible that Dr. Nanjo succeeds and fakes Kanon's death. After that is when everyone holes up in Kinzo's study. Either Dr. Nanjo, Genji, or Maria provide the Witch's Letter III which causes Natsuhi to kick them out of the study. Note that only Kumasawa actually protests leaving while Genji and Dr. Nanjo know this part of the plan and Maria is, well, compromised.
The final set of murders, with Maria singing facing the wall are also staged. It's not hard to imagine either Eva, Kyrie, or Beatrice (if Kanon's body survived) dressing up as The Golden Witch to convince Maria to play along. Kumasawa is forced to become part of the conspiracy or die. Nobody actually inspects the three dead bodies all that closely. The final letter was a challenge to draw Natsuhi away from the children. Natsuhi either kills herself or is murdered. At the end Battler and the others see the costumed Beatrice, who Maria hugs. And that's where the Sound Novel ends.
* Good work, except for two minor points. 1) The Beatrice personality would have come first, and 2) {{color|red| Dine's 13th: No secret societies or conspiracies. The murderer, too, needs a sporting chance to outwit the detective.}}
* Original poster here. Originally I conceded that the Beatrice personality came first, I no longer believe that to be the case. I will argue Dine's 13th. The only way Dine's rule 13 as well as {{color|red|Dine's 12th: There can only be one murderer. The villain could have an accomplice or "co-plotter," but only one is going to get the ax in the matter.}} could apply is if there's only one 'killer'. Because of the possiblity of Kanon's stabbing being fatal I put forth that Beatrice killed Krauss, Rosa, and Gohda without joining the conspiracy. The Beatrice personality is triggered by stress, which I believe is true of real DID. The stress and conflicting emotions cause Beatrice to surface on the first night; she shows up at the parents' meeting and demands that Shannon be eliminated to assert her existence. This is preferable for the conspiracy because then their hands are technically clean. They appease Beatrice by arranging Shannon's 'corpse'. The conspirators transported the real corpses and the fake ones into the tool shed. Beatrice is the only 'killer' since after the first twilight only Kanon's murder is actually real. The alter manifests because of the stress Kanon feels that causes him to make his epic speech. In summation, the alter only plays along because it only cares about being 'real' and killing Shannon and Kanon. It enjoys people saying that Beatrice 'exists'. At the end Natsuhi kills herself or is killed by Beatrice, masquerading as The Golden Witch from the portrait.
*** Respondent here. Beatrice's motives don't work here, because {{color|red| Beatrice did not kill because of money or revenge}}, and these are pretty Vengeance-y motives. But then, I would argue that Beatrice herself is actually 100% innocent of all crimes, and is just martyring herself.
*** Original poster here. I'm glad that you don't seem to disagree about there being a conspiracy as long as the killer is separate from that conspiracy. The 'being a martyr' motive I believe applies more to Meta-Beatrice than this Beatrice. I don't want to offend, but would you please elaborate why you think that motive fits more? I'm also curious where that red text came from. I'll admit that Beatrice's motive is the biggest guess in this theory. The motive I described is not exactly 'revenge' as it is wanting be in sole control of the body. To take revenge Beatrice needs to feel wronged or want to punish Shannon or Kanon. If she wants to kill them anyway it's not exactly revenge. Assuming that the Beatrice in that red text refers to the symbolic "true culprit" there isn't really anyone else in the first sound novel who wouldn't want to kill for money and/or revenge. A possible reason for wanting to be in sole control is that Beatrice wants to be with Battler the same way Shannon and Kanon want to be with George and Jessica respectively. That is, her primary motivation for killing is love. Another thing that I believe supports this motive is that Shannon and Kanon are both acknowledged by everyone while Beatrice is hardly acknowledged at all. Besides Shannon and Kanon, only Genji, Kumasawa - who in this theory are the only ones who know of the DID - and Maria actually believe Beatrice exists. Anyone would be angry if the person they have a crush on doesn't even believe they exist.
* From Episode 4, regarding Eva and Hideyoshi in Episode 1: {{color|red| "Both were killed by another person! It is not the case that, after the construction of the closed room, one of them committed suicide after committing murder! Furthermore, the murder was carried out with both the victim and the perpetrator in the same room! No method exists for the perpetrator to commit murder from outside the room!"}} Eva and Hideyoshi were confirmed in red to have been killed, so their deaths were not faked. From Episode 4, referring to the parlour murders in Episode 1: {{color|red| "Maria, who was in the same room, did not kill them! And of course, the three were killed by other people!"}} Nanjo, Genji and Kumasawa are confirmed in red to have been killed, so their deaths were not faked.
** Original poster here: If Eva, Hideyoshi, Nanjo, Genji, and Kumasawa did not fake their deaths then they were killed by Beatrice. Genji could have advised Beatrice as Ronove as to which people were killed, how they were killed, and during which twilight. The deaths were originally supposed to be faked but then Beatrice decided to kill them for reals.
== Gaap is Jessica ==
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* I doubt it, since Jessica being Gaap means {{spoiler|that Jessica has to be in the know about Shkanon and Beatrice's identity and know that she's solved the Epitaph and is the true head.}} None of that fits Jessica's profile.
** Why would that be implausible? All Jessica/Kanon interactions are away from Battler's eyes. It's not concrete that Jessica doesn't know what goes on.
*** That's...quite incorrect. Before the murders begin, Battler often has plenty of opportunity to see how Jessica and Kanon feel about each other. That aside, it's against the rules of the gameboard for pieces like Jessica and Kanon to act in ways they wouldn't or couldn't. If they don't have feelings for each other, they cannot behave as if they do even in fantasy scenes. To say nothing of Ryukishi has said otherwise on his blog, calling the falsification of the romances a "cruel trap" he wouldn't indulge in. Unless you can account for Jessica loving Kanon while being 100% aware of his true nature, this theory doesn't work. Besides, we have no real evidence to think Gaap has a human vessel like other meta-characters do. EP7 implied that she represents not a person, but a phenomenon that was made into an imaginary friend.
**** {{color|blue|Gaap is the}} [[Anthropomorphic Personification]] {{color|blue|of people losing small objects such as car keys, portable video game cartridges and the remote.}} That is a better theory by the logic that she represents a phenomenon rather than a human.
== Every murder involving the Stakes of Purgatory can be explained by the stake(s) involved in the death. ==
This one isn't actually isn't such a stretch considering what's been stated in the third arc, but if it's not right, it's bound to be [[Jossed]] pretty quickly. Anyway, if none of the murders are supernatural in origin, which we have to assume they aren't, as Battler has to do, then wouldn't the most straightforward way be to figure out which characters we know were involved and, where a stake was involved, what [[Seven Deadly Sins|sin]] that stake represents? In that way, a story may start to form. For instance, Kyrie defeated the sin of jealousy by out-jealousing it in the third arc. We know Rudolf has a tendency to cheat on his wives, so maybe she found out about an affair he was having and was tempted to kill him and almost did, but managed to keep herself out of it through devotion to him (which would be motivated by jealousy toward Asumu). Of course, this raises the question of what the Siestas would mean.
* Guns.
== The game Beatrice plays with Battler is the same game that is played in [[Higurashi no Naku Koro
{{color|blue| Rika is Bernkastel's piece and Miyo is Lambdadelta's. The reason why Miyo was obssessed with {{spoiler|confirming Hinamizawa Syndrome and the parasites and disproving gods}} was because in this game Lambda and Miyo were playing the role that Battler is playing now.}}
== Beatrice is love ==
[[Anthropomorphic Personification|In the most literal sense.]] Love is the cause of Kinzo's madness. Love is why Maria trusts Rosa unconditionally. Love is the impetus for the grisly murders. Love is the magic that can change your perception of the world. Love kills. Love can lift them up and transform them, but not until it's put them through hell.
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== Happy Halloween for Maria! ==
Because she had every reason to be happy. The murder scene in the chapel wasn't a blasphemous parody of a celebration. It wasn't a parody at all! It was meant to be a real celebration! A big damn Halloween party with drinks and candies and decorations, presided over by the smiling Witch of Rokkenjima. All to cheer up a heartbroken nine year old girl. How great would that have been, seriously?
* This goes a long way to explaining Rosa's witch encounter in the rose garden. 'Beatrice' gives the two of them envelopes - Rosa's (containing an invitation the party) 'to open at the family conference' and Maria's (containing the chapel key) 'to open at the right time'. Too bad Rosa just plain forgot about hers until past Maria's bedtime. It also explains why Beatrice affected a jacket-and-tie look for that episode: lavish Western-style dresses are hard to come by at short notice in the Izu Archipelago.
* Turn the chessboard around. Think of the the poor killer who lugged six heavy corpses across the island in darkness and the pouring rain, soaked to the skin, shivering and exhausted, and then turned on the lights and said... "The '''fuck?'''"
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== The killer and the staker are strictly different people ==
Many of the household have reason to kill, but very few have reason to act out an abnormal occult ritual. Plus, trying to hit people in melee with a stake or jury-rigged stake-launching-apparatus sounds more like a recipe for black comedy.
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(Oh, bother. I meant to stake Rudolf in the thigh and hit him in the bollocks instead. Was there anything in the epitaph about "gouge the testicle and kill"?) }}
Also, the connection between the deaths and the epitaph is sometime very, very strained. 'Tear apart the two who are close' in ''Turn of the Golden Witch'' amounts to Jessica turning up with a stake in her back, and a whole lotta creative interpretation. For all we know she died of asthma.
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* '''Time/space nexus.''' Like the island from a popular television program, Rokkenjima sits at the crossing point for multiple parallel universes. Hence why characters can be alive, dead and absent simultaneously, why Kanon gets more screen time dead than alive, how the killer can walk out of a locked room and murders can happen when every enamed character has an alibi. The murder from arc X might have been perpetrated by the murderer from arc X+ 1. The mutually-contradictory message bottles are remnants of worlds that were 'collapsed' when the typhoon passed. Kinzo knew about the island's 'magical' properties, of course: he's depending on them for his one-in-a-quadrillion miracle to occur.
* '''Demon possession'''<ref>(Keiichi had to be right eventually)</ref>'''.''' Rokkenjima's alluded-to previous reputation as Akujishima, ''island of soul-eating spectres''. 'Beatrice's' confusion as to her identity. The constantly-shifting roles of killer and victim. Ange deciding to avenge the tragic murders on Rokkenjima by...murdering seven people with stakes. Don't breathe the air at Rokkenjima: Beatrice might be catching.
* '''Prophecy:'''Witches are created by the forces of Destiny to carry out the Epitaph. Stating anything that has not been determined in red text [[Retcon|retcons]] it to [[
== Kyrie killed Asumu ==
You know, usually, when you hear about someone having died, especially when they're as key to a main character's backstory as Asumu is to Battler's, you usually hear more detail about how it happened. What exactly do we know about Asumu's death except that she died six years ago, prompting Battler to leave? Was she sick? Did she topple off a bridge? [[Women in Refrigerators|Get locked in her own fridge?]] The narrator's holding out on us. I think perhaps the wording "died" instead of "was killed" is supposed to imply that none of the main characters thinks it was murder, but that doesn't mean it wasn't. There are plenty of ways to kill people that make it look like an accident. We already know that Kyrie harbored a lot of resentment against Asumu - she certainly had long-term motive, even if we don't know what would actually trigger her to suddenly do it twelve years after Battler was born. Perhaps instead of cursing Asumu, as Kyrie suggests in the third arc, instead, she gave fate a little...push.
* I read somewhere that Kyrie says that if Asumu hadn't died on her own, then [[Murder the Hypotenuse|Kyrie would have killed her,]] [[Yandere|just so she could have Rudolf.]]
** That's in
== The burning of Kinzo's corpse is being conducted by Natsuhi/Krauss ==
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In the first arc, George and Battler suggest considering the note as a type of ransom - figure out the riddle of the gold, or everyone dies. After they suggest it, though, Nanjo shoots it down by asking why it wouldn't be simpler to simply interrogate Kinzo. The characters didn't know about Kinzo's condition at that point, and so that question basically ended that theory right there. However, now that we know that Kinzo's dead, it would not, in fact, be simpler to interrogate him. The note was sent all of a sudden at the reunion because that's when more people than just Krauss and Natsuhi would be there, allowing for more people who might know more things about Kinzo to answer. Of course, this theory would require the note-sender (and probable mastermind) to know that Kinzo was already dead, and so interrogating him would be a waste of time. Isn't that right, '''Kinzo's personal physician who shot down the theory in the first place'''?
== The reason why Lambdadelta doesn't know what happened in [[Higurashi no Naku Koro
...Is because Studio DEEN cut out almost every instance of Bernkastel appearing or being mentioned. The poems, the [[TI Ps]], her birth... nada. This counts as an Anti-Fantasy stance - or at least, an Anti-Witch stance, effectively 'warding' her off. She's currently struggling through the series, but that little detail, along with the [[Adaptation Decay]] and [[Adaptation Expansion]], is subconsciously warding her off.
* [[Ace Attorney|HOLD IT!!!]] Higurashi Rei. Final episode. After waking up, Rika mentions to Hanyuu that she (Rika) should return to being "Rika Furude" and stop being "the witch, Bernkastel."
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** Maybe not. Angetrice was born from Ange's desire to see her brother again, Battler's desire to see his sister again, and Bernkastel's manipulations. (The [[Plot-Relevant Age-Up]] and [[Brother-Sister Incest]] [[Squick|implications]], however, may be mainly because Battler is a bit of an egocentric lech who unconsciously took his sister's devotion a ''biiiiit'' too far. His interests sort of explain the Stakes and the Siestas, when you think about it...) She's all about getting Battler motivated via emotional gut punch - and when he finds out who's [[The Man Behind the Man|the Witch behind the Witch]] who got her ''involved''...
*** Okay then, let me just prod a bit more - if Angetrice isn't a figment of Battler's subconscious, then the fact that she showed up when she did in order to pop his happy bubble seems to be a bit of a strike of luck for his subconscious, giving him an opportunity to portray Beatrice once again as a manipulative sadist. What on earth would have happened if she hadn't shown up?
*** As mentioned, his subconscious was working against him -- on some level, he ''didn't fully trust Beatrice''. He was going along with it because everyone seemed so ''happy'' and was headed for a Good End in the Golden Land, but at the same time, he wasn't fully convinced...just coasting along trying to ignore that nagging sense that something wasn't quite right. He still thought she was a manipulative sadist, but was trying to pretend otherwise because he felt [[Sympathy for
== Meta-Battler is, himself, a witch, or, "madan," to make it gender appropriate ==
Many seem to be convinced at this point that meta-Battler isn't the same person as Battler. Similarly, Bernkastel is not the same person as Furude Rika, Evatrice is not the same person as Eva, and Angetrice isn't the same person as Ange. The unifying thing about those three witches is that they were born out of the characters they represent's determination to achieve something or another against their fate. So if meta-Battler and Battler aren't the same, then what's the point of meta-Battler? Is he not an embodiment of Battler's own determination to change his own fate of having himself and his family killed by a witch (Whether you focus on his denial of witches, which negates the second part, or think he's having some sort of breakdown, which negates the first part, that goal should encompass both)? In which case, even though he lacks a super-fancy outfit, would that not likely make him a witch in his own right?<br />So why can't he use magic too? Because magic is powered by not just determination, but faith and belief as well. Battler is automatically denying himself the use of magic by denying the existence of witches in his duel with Beatrice. In order to be able to use the magic to change his fate, Battler will ultimately have to accept their existence, though not necessarily their involvement in the murders that have taken place. Until then, he will be dueling both Beatrice and fate with one figurative hand tied behind his back.
* Does Battler becoming the Endless Sorcerer at the end of
== In the [[Adaptation Decay|anime]], Lambdadelta is pretending to be Maria. ==
At least for the first arc. She's secretly replaced her and is slaughtering everyone else, setting up the chessboard for her 'endless game'. That way, Battler can never prove that "[[Doing
* Interesting. Would explain why she's a fucking psycho in
== Nanjo is the new {{spoiler|[[Higurashi no Naku Koro
Seriously, they even carry similar(ish) expressions. Plus, they both seem relatively inconspicuous at first, until the later chapters show conflicts with their testimonies and such.
And they're both [[Mad Doctor|medical practitioners]], of course.
* There's a WMG below that says Nanjo was involved in
* The biggest problem that I can see is that it's much less likely that one can fake their deaths on the island, so unless you can come up with an explanation for why he only survived the 9 twilights once, he can't be the only one. Then there was the explicit statement referring to Episode 1, wherein it was stated in red that "Nanjo is not a murderer", so at the very least, he didn't kill anyone during Episode 1.
** Except that she's using just his last name. Usually, either first names or both names are used. However, Nanjo has a son who could serve as an easy escape hatch on this. It should be clarified to "Terumasa Nanjo is not a murderer."
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== If Bernkastel is Anti-Fantasied, the events of Higurashi would not happen. ==
In order to survive [[Playing
* Bernkastel is not Rika. And the actual link (at least in the anime; I don't know about the games) is Hanyuu.
** It's implied in the games that Rika was Bernkastel's "piece" on the game board.
== Bernkastel and Lambdadelta are [[Chekhov's Gunman|less real than they seem]]. ==
Think about it. Way back in the first arc, Battler mentioned reading a book called [[Higurashi no Naku Koro
== Gaap is actually Kanon, not Shannon ==
Or at the very least they get their socks from the same place (as does Lambdadelta).
* Jokes aside, them being the same person does make sense, given that there's no demon mirroring Kanon.
** You all forgot that there's Meta-Kanon and Meta-Shanon in
== Kinzo is Maria. ==
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== Battler may or may not [[My Own Grampa|be Kinzo]], but meta-Battler is Goldsmith ==
We don't know much about Goldsmith at this time. What we do know is that he is able to summon Beatrice's furniture - Virgilia, Ronove, Gaap, and the Siestas. The only one Battler isn't allied with right now is the Siestas, but they've always been kind of odd as far as furniture goes, and seemed to be closer affiliated with Maria than Beatrice. Wanna bet they'll switch sides again and join Battler in the end? Here are some other thoughts: He'll choose the name Goldsmith based on Kinzo's nickname. Kinzo was a mere Anglophile and never actually had any real magic power. And if anyone's noticed what this means, I'm perfectly aware. I think eventually, Battler's going to have to go up against [[Face Heel Turn|meta-Battler]], who will eventually be turned toward trying to revive Beatrice at all costs.
* Technically speaking, Siestas are furniture of Mariage Sorceriee, so they already are on Battler's side, he just has to summon them. As for the theory itself, it's interesting, and possible, but it goes against the 07th Knox Rule, and it's overdone in general - just doesn't sound like Ryukishi to me. Than again, nobody said that Goldsmith is the killer... If we are to view it from anti-fantasy side, all he did so far was just firing magic lasers and pretending he killed everybody with magic in
== The reason Beatrice's personality changes every game is because she reflects a different culprit each time ==
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And as a further corollary, if this is true it should be possible to guess who the human culprit is in a particular chapter by seeing whose dialogue best matches up with Beatrice. For example, in Episode 5, Hideyoshi brings up the Three Kingdoms, a motif repeatedly taken up again later by Beatrice and her minions...
* Then, it would mean there is no culprit in
** In support of this, dialogue in later Episodes hints at the culprit in a previous one. For instance, when MARIA tortured Rosa, she (Rosa, that is) started sounding very much like Beatrice in Turn/the beginning of Banquet. My guess is that Rosa was the "Mastermind" of Turn, and started in Banquet, but had a change of heart/admitted killing the servants to Eva, who killed her, and of course just eliminated Maria as a witness.
*** "Beginning of Banquet" suggests that Beatrice doesn't represent her at the end of Banquet, though. So does Beato switch who she represents there, or does she represent no one after the beginning? Or is it some third option?
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** Another hint perhaps is Kyrie's referencing the "North Wind And The Sun" story in the first arc. That may be a hint that she was the third arc's murderer for the first twilight.
== Natsuhi is related to the [[Higurashi no Naku Koro
{{spoiler|She says that her Shinto priest family gave her to the Ushiromiya family as a "gift". And hell, we've already got a million Higurashi references, why not not another? Plus, it'd explain her hallucinations of Kinzo. She's so distraught that she's succumbed to Hinamizawa Syndrome!}}
* One game she will invite 'cousin Rika' to the family conference, and Erika will "freak out".
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== Maria is the only witch in Umineko. ==
It's been suggested that Maria is a Creator witch, so why couldn't she "Create" other witches?
* Possible evidence: In the manga, Maria's notebook has drawings of Beatrice (not too surprising), but also of Bernkastel and Lambdadelta, [https://web.archive.org/web/20090704211752/http://www.onemanga.com/Umineko_no_Naku_Koro_ni/4/16/ well before they appeared in the story].
== Seven Parents, Seven Stakes ==
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* I have a similar idea, but with a difference: In order of rank, it suddenly becomes much clearer. Lucifer tries to assert herself as the oldest, but ends up tormented by the younger ones (That sure sucks, eh, KRAUSS?). Leviathan of Envy (Do I really need to spell it out?) Satan of Wrath (I think it was said Rudolf had a temper...) Belphegor of Sloth (Rosa is seen as a little bit "easygoing" with regards to family affairs...) Mammon of Greed (George? A bit odd, but it works. The more likely suspect would be Battler, since Ange gets along so well with Mammon) Beelzebub of Gluttony (Jessica, since maybe wanting Kanon is asking for too much), and Asmodeus of Lust (Maria, possibly. Or Ange? Thinking about the "Kid" stakes, maybe a few of them share Stake space...).
** In that case, Jessica might be Lust, not Gluttony. Gluttony usually has to do with over-consumption, rather than too much desire. Desire tends to fall into Lust and Envy. Not sure if that helps. Hope so.
* Well, if we take Battler out of the running, it suddenly makes a whole lot of sense. Going by the stakes' personalities and not by what they're supposed to represent, Gluttony fits Jessica for the most part. Plus, Gaap said in
== We see things the way Beatrice wants us to see them. ==
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**** Meta-Battler sees everything that the Battler on Rokkenjima sees, but there's a lot that Battler misses out on, ultimately.
***** No, he sees every single thing we see. He asked questions about Jessica's and Kanon's deaths because he believed that's not how they really died (since he doesn't believe in magic), thus he wants Beato to confirm some things with her Red.
****** Evidence supports he does see everything we see in
== The note that Jessica found was actually meant for Battler. ==
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* So if it takes Ryukishi five years to finish a series, and he's going to do four or eight of them, that means the franchise will continue for twenty to forty years?
** Perhaps it'd be easier if we went according to the numbers. Higurashi is When They Cry, and Kai is 2. That'd make Umineko 3 and Chiru 4. Does it still work this way?
*** Yes, they do. Look at the cover of
== Beatrice is the personification of Maria's rose ==
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== Battler is Gay, or at least Bi ==
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So it's pretty much a confirmed fact that Battler is at the very least bisexual, if not a full on queer-o-secksual. The obvious implication of this is that his fondling of breasts is [[Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?|all an ACT]] due to heteronormative society, supported by the fact that most of his targets are, you know, his cousins, and he's said that if a girl ever actually let him go that far, he'd scold her. But this is just the tip of the iceberg; think about what this could mean for the events of Rokkenjima as a whole. He's also claimed Shannon was his first crush, so either that was a lie or Shkanon is correct, and Meta-Battler knows this. This could mean that Battler's "sin" was Denying his homosexual urges and feelings, and thus pushing them onto "Shannon", effectively denying his relationship with Kanon (don't tell me there wasn't this total vibe with the fertilizer scene).
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== Amakusa shot Kasumi Sumadera and her men ==
In
* Or he shot Ange on purpose.
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== Battler was named after the [[Tarot Motif]] for the Magician "Le Bateleur" ==
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All through the first three arcs, the phones and radio were supposedly cut. But the only ones who witnessed that firsthand were Genji and Kanon, who informed everyone else. In the first arc in particular, whoever called from the final twilights had to use the phone. That was one of the mysteries - why the phones had stopped working and now were all of a sudden working again. But in the fourth arc, the phones worked the entire time. It's possible that Genji and Kanon were in on the murders and simply "told" everyone that the phones weren't working. In other words, the reason the phones were working at the end of the first arc is simply because they had always been working.
* Not quite. In Episode 4, we learn that the phones will work if you wish to call someone else on the island, but according to Genji and Kanon, they won't work if you try to call someone not on the island like the police. Consequently, if this holds in all 4 episodes, then the culprit of the final murders can call Battler's group without making Genji and Kanon liars.
** Actually, in the first arc, Genji and Kanon also say the extension phone line (the one that can call the other phones on the island) is broken as well. This is why Genji goes directly to Natsuhi first thing in the morning rather than calling, which due to Genji's personality he would most certainly also do. However it's possible that this was also a lie and that the extension phones were working all along, and only the outside lines were cut for real - both in
== The beginning riddle of the epitaph points the way to a memorial for Beatrice. ==
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* Gouge the (insert body part) and kill: A series of traps, maybe?
* The witch will revive, and none will survive: A particularly nasty trap, somehow involving a likeness of Beatrice.
* The journey will end, and you will reach the village of gold: [[Exactly What It Says
* All the gold: Ditto.
* Revival of lost love: The two who went separate ways are reunited.
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== The person who carried out the first twilight of the third arc was either Krauss or Natsuhi. ==
The third arc is the only one where Kinzo was used as a sacrifice in the first twilight. He was found burnt to death, just like in the first arc, but unlike the second. Now that we have relatively confirmed that whenever Natsuhi or Krauss survives (but not when they die and Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo aurvive), his body is found burnt to destroy evidence of his earlier death. Whoever carried out the first twilights had to know that Kinzo was already dead (so they didn't kill a seventh person) and had to be willing to take the opportunity to dispose of Kinzo. We can infer that Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo aren't, due to the second arc. Krauss and Natsuhi appear to be the only ones who match.
* Assuming that the adults were really in the conference room all night, (and [[This Troper
Furthermore, Episode 5 reveals that all the servants on the island with the exception of Gohda knew of Kinzo's death, so Nanjo also could have done it. (Though [[This Troper
== Furniture's clothing reflects their job. ==
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== Kanon isn't Shannon, but he is [[Samus Is a Girl|a girl.]] ==
Kanon is relatively feminine, and despite being old enough to have hit puberty, he's still voiced by a girl in the anime. She is dressing as a boy because she was [[Rape
== The people to whom the letters Ange found in 1998 were addressed were accomplices. ==
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== Kinzo is actually quite a nice guy ==
The only scene of a not-proven-fake Kinzo was the one flashback in 'Banquet' when he went off at Eva for not being womanly enough. Which makes him kind of an asshole, but not a foaming-at-the-mouth mad warlock. It's not even a representative sample of his personality; just the one act that made the biggest impression on Eva.
* {{color|red|In that flashback, it was stated that that was not a representative sample of Kinzo's personality and attitudes. In said flashback, he also went off at Krauss for laziness.}} {{color|blue|Kinzo meant to say something like "You are quite an impressive person, but unless you learn how to cook without burning water, you're not going to land a man worthy of such an impressive person, and dammit Eva, [[I Want Grandkids|you're the only one in this family likely to produce a grandchild worthy of the Ushiromiya name]]!", but due to both his senility and the Racist Grandpa principle, it came out sounding like [[Stay in
** Possibly supported in [http://img-a.onemanga.com/mangas/00004542/000260202/21.jpg this line from EP3's manga.]{{Dead link}}
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== Shannon murdered Jessica and possibly Kanon in the second arc. ==
Shannon's alibi for that murder, that she was writing a will for Kinzo, is bunk, since {{spoiler|Kinzo's dead.}} She and Genji have no alibi for this murder. However, she is explicitly pointed out as one of the few people Jessica would trust enough to expose her back to her (Remember, Jessica was stabbed in the back, so they pointed out that it was likely that the person who murdered her was someone she trusted). She is only dismissed on the basis of her alibi. The only hole here is that Rosa, for some reason, corroborates the alibi a few different times. The best explanation I can think of for this is that Shannon found out (or perhaps manipulated) that Rosa killed everyone on the first twilight, which is a giant assumption, but an acceptable enough theory that I'll work it in here. And later on, when Rosa found out that Kinzo was dead, Shannon blackmailed her into corroborating the whole "Kinzo's alive and I was writing his will" thing. I'm not certain what happened with Kanon, though. I can see him being either left alive in order to create the illusion of the second twilight if he was, perhaps, her accomplice, or dead and hidden somewhere else in the mansion. The first option would be useful for the next few twilights, though.
* Yup, that's what I thought too. I believed that she took Kanon's body so that it could be posed as her own during the 4th twilight, while she escapes unscathed to kill the rest. Just like how in
* I would like to point out that {{color|blue|Shannon could well have been "working on" Kinzo's will as in ''fabricating'' it, and set things up so that things would go well for her, Rosa, and Genji.}} That doesn't rule out this possibility, though, if {{color|blue|she finished writing it earlier than she told everyone and killed another heir, Jessica, that she had included to throw off suspicion.}} I will point out, though, that Shannon cannot have disguised Kanon's corpse as herself. {{color|red|No double body tricks are possible, and the identities of all named corpses are confirmed.}}
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== The stakes were originally less sinister objects (oversize chess pieces?) ==
They were introduced to an angle grinder and became murder weapons. Fits the series theme of innocent things being repurposed to sinister ends.
== The reason why the murders are so brutal, and the reason why Beatrice acts the way she does, is because the game is being played during Beatrice's time of the month. ==
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== Bern and Lambda used to, before becoming witches, be part of the older Ushiromiya lineage. ==
There's no proof for it, and yet, there's none against it. Why are they so interested in Beatrice's game? In
* I don't buy it. Bernkastel was originally an aspect of Rika Furude, and I doubt the two families are linked. They don't care about anyone in the game, they're just bored.
** If I might take it a step further and present a theory of my own, it's because Lambdadelta has a stake in the game, and granted Beatrice her power of "certainty" to win. However, Battler's appearance was an unexpected and unwanted variable, yet it's too late to call off the game and Beatrice can't go against Lambdadelta unless she wants her witchy sponsor to abandon her, which she believes (at first) will reduce her to a mere human. The truth is, of course, that she doesn't need the acknowledgement in the first place, but she has forgotten that, and Lambdadelta is using her as a plaything to be discarded at her leisure. Also, Frederica Bernkastel was sorely lacking empathy or real compassion back in [[Higurashi no Naku Koro
*** That sounds about right, but I would amend that, since the game was always expected to involve Battler, and Lambdadelta and Bernkastel both bank on this, the unexpected element is Battler actually doing well.
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== Rudolf is responsible for the time loop. ==
When he recited the [[Konami Code]] all the way back in
* Which version of
** It only appears in the Visual Novel, since it's in the airport and both of the other versions cut that.
== In
He probably planned the contract thing from the start, and what really was written there is "I do not accept Beatrice as a witch" with "do not" in very tiny letters. Battler read out "I accept you as a witch" so that Beato won't concentrate too much on what really was written. Then he made Beato sign first. Tah-dah. ''Ihihihihi!! Humans don't refooorm!''
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We never actually get to see what the original Rika in that arc was like, but we did hear from Mion that she was rather selfish and manipulative, forcing all the boys in her class to fight over her. Also, in this arc, Rika manages to leave that world without dying. It's possible that after returning to own world, the 'Rika' in the world she left behind regained its old, selfish personality. She also had to kill her mother in order to return to the world she desired, so it's certainly possible that she had to hide from the authorities, and maybe even change her name to stay hidden. Even her experiences with the boys in her class could explain the origin of Erika's cynical view on love. This could also be plausible from a non-fantasy standpoint as Erika's interactions with her 'master' and other fantasy characters only happen within the "Rokkenjima catbox" and it's hinted in Episode 6, when it's stated that she's a human in red, that she existed as a real person.
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